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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
IIRC, they both did. Rusty said it was back in March and was related to extortion of DW by one of the women. Buzbee indicated the investigation was into DW.
Isn’t that like an inmate insisting on his/her innocence?

Hardin….they’re looking into the women trying to extort Watson. Buzzbee…..they’re looking into Watson. “He Said-He Said”…….which is a wash, what did the FBI state for fact?
 

Corrosion

Idealist
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Funny…..I’ve “absolutely” heard the FBI make no announcement of the kind.

You just have to consider the source .... Is it credible or is it not.

What I will say to you is that @CloakNNNdagger and I have been the source of several things you got nowhere else that ultimately was proven to be factual down the line ... every time without fail and you must know that we compare and cross reference notes before we post it here

Bottom line , giving you guys anything is not worth the trouble when this is the result.

This is why we can't have nice things.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
No, the issue is did he use the internet to facilitate a crime (sexual assault).
I think that's why there's so much back and forth in this thread on understanding and misunderstanding comments. I think Djohn and Corrosion have said sexual assault is handled by the state. The FBI is only involved because of DW using the internet to cross state lines to purchase sex. If FBI cannot get evidence of that..they back out. That is my understanding anyway.
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
You just have to consider the source .... Is it credible or is it not.

What I will say to you is that @CloakNNNdagger and I have been the source of several things you got nowhere else that ultimately was proven to be factual down the line ... every time without fail and you must know that we compare and cross reference notes before we post it here

Bottom line , giving you guys anything is not worth the trouble when this is the result.

This is why we can't have nice things.
Not to be an arse…..but I’ve never met you or CnnnD on a personal basis. I have no idea who you guys are other than you are Corrosion and his moniker is CloakNNNdagger, which I can safely assume is not your birth names. Now, I enjoy reading both of your post(s) but in no way would I throw blind faith behind each and every thing the both of you post.
 

JB

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I think that's why there's so much back and forth in this thread on understanding and misunderstanding comments. I think Djohn and Corrosion have said sexual assault is handled by the state. The FBI is only involved because of DW using the internet to cross state lines to purchase sex. If FBI cannot get evidence of that..they back out. That is my understanding anyway.
Doesn't have anything to do with purchasing sex. He hasn't been accused of nor admitted to paying for sex (prostitution). He has admitted to using instagram to contact women he is accused of assaulting
 

Carr Bombed

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Not to be an arse…..but I’ve never met you or CnnnD on a personal basis. I have no idea who you guys are other than you are Corrosion and his moniker is CloakNNNdagger, which I can safely assume is not your birth names. Now, I enjoy reading both of your post(s) but in no way would I throw blind faith behind each and every thing the both of you post.
I wouldn't discard it either.. It's just information. I will say this though, I have learned more about what's happening with this team from sources posters had, than I usually do from people paid to cover the team.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Doesn't have anything to do with purchasing sex. He hasn't been accused of nor admitted to paying for sex (prostitution). He has admitted to using instagram to contact women he is accused of assaulting
Got it.. I thought the FBI was investigating because DW admitted to using Instagram to hire for massages.. and then if he had paid for the "sex" [as he had admitted to some contact but consensual] the FBI took over. If the FBI found he did pay then the assaults became their terrain. If not the assaults were back in the hands of Texas.
 

thunderkyss

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Now, I enjoy reading both of your post(s) but in no way would I throw blind faith behind each and every thing the both of you post.
Nobody is asking you to blind faith anything. But you’ve been here long enough to have seen what they’ve posted & you’ve seen what has transpired in real time.

Corrosion said as much in the post you just quoted.


What I will say to you is that @CloakNNNdagger and I have been the source of several things you got nowhere else that ultimately was proven to be factual down the line
to me, it’s rude to question them every time. Believe, don’t believe. Really don’t need to question them again & again. Not you or any one person, but the constant questioning from the board in general.

If they’ve said anything that’s been revealed to be false, call them out. But not until it’s proven false.

Again, much of what they’ve said has come to pass. Until they say something verifiably proven false, take it with a grain of salt. Wait & see.
 

JB

Old Curmudgeon
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Again, I point to what SI was able to uncover in their investigation. Which to me is enough to level charges.

surely the FBI’s investigation has uncovered at least what SI has (surely someone in the FBI reads SI).
But no charges have been filed and SI is just heresay at this point
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Again, I point to what SI was able to uncover in their investigation. Which to me is enough to level charges.

surely the FBI’s investigation has uncovered at least what SI has (surely someone in the FBI reads SI).
This is what gets me and I understand the legal investigations take time but it has been time and a lot of it. Most here jumped all over the SI article and I get that; it was pretty damning if true. Having said that, if even part of that was true as you say why have not charges come from that? Court or GJ backlog or no three months on allegedly overwhelming evidence should have resulted in true bill by now. AND I don't need anyone telling me it takes time. We all know that. I am not looking for evidence to convict DW just enough to charge him and many claim that exists.
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
Nobody is asking you to blind faith anything. But you’ve been here long enough to have seen what they’ve posted & you’ve seen what has transpired in real time.

Corrosion said as much in the post you just quoted.




to me, it’s rude to question them every time. Believe, don’t believe. Really don’t need to question them again & again. Not you or any one person, but the constant questioning from the board in general.

If they’ve said anything that’s been revealed to be false, call them out. But not until it’s proven false.

Again, much of what they’ve said has come to pass. Until they say something verifiably proven false, take it with a grain of salt. Wait & see.
I have no qualms with this but I do regarding this matter. Regardless of sources I doubt anyone on this board is privy to absolute lowdown regarding the Texans situation. If they’re hearing whispers then that would probably be classified as 3rd to maybe further down the line information…..which equates to hearsay or gossip.

My simple statement was that I’ve heard nothing from the FBI regarding their investigation and to what extent their involvement is needed.
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
Just a counter argument in the Bauer and Watson legal situations:

1. The victim in Bauer’s case admitted that their sexual encounters were consensual up until the alleged assault happened. She stated Bauer decided to strangle and punch her during one of their consensual sex get togethers. She didn’t try to blackmail Bauer for money…..she went to the police and filed a temporary restraining order and criminal complaint against him. Supposedly another women filed for a restraining order against Bauer in Ohio. Bauer claimed this women tried to blackmail him. Bauer accepted MLB’s temporary suspension and the weekly suspensions thereafter and never put up a fight in the interim.

2. Watson’s first victim went after blackmail first. When Watson did not pay, then she went public. Soon after, many women came forward seeking a settlement…..except for 2 who filed criminal charges without the help of Buzzbee. When the multitude of settlement seekers increased and Watson didn’t blink…..finally 8 more filed criminal complaints but not the other 12. Watson has denied the allegations and at this time, the NFL has not sought to put him on CEL.
 

thunderkyss

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But no charges have been filed and SI is just heresay at this point
FBI investigate.

FBI uncover at least what SI uncover

FBI brings charges

or FBI find no credibility to any allegations of internet use in sex trafficking or assault.

FBI, regardless of what they are investigating have not found any wrongdoing as of yet. That’s pretty much the point.
 
Not to be an arse…..but I’ve never met you or CnnnD on a personal basis. I have no idea who you guys are other than you are Corrosion and his moniker is CloakNNNdagger, which I can safely assume is not your birth names. Now, I enjoy reading both of your post(s) but in no way would I throw blind faith behind each and every thing the both of you post.
For me, the bottom line is info sharing. Doesn't mean I take Corrosion or Cnnd insights to be gospel even though they clearly have inside connects. Sometimes I think we all can get caught up in the "you're wrong or I'm right" and try to prove it so...and you're not doing that. Perspective is a helluva drug :good:
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
For me, the bottom line is info sharing. Doesn't mean I take Corrosion or Cnnd insights to be gospel even though they clearly have inside connects. Sometimes I think we all can get caught up in the "you're wrong or I'm right" and try to prove it so...and you're not doing that. Perspective is a helluva drug :good:
Agree and very well said. I have been on this board with both of these guys for many years and look forward to their comments more than most. Sometimes discussion turns into debate with each posters (in general) demanding to be right. I just enjoy taking looks at a topic from all sides and I probably go too far too often. Sometimes when questioned some get offended and no offense is intended. We saw that in the official rules thread very recently.

The only "issue" I have with some is when they go gutter on a poster or someone like McNair or DW. Say what you want but no reason to trash anyone.
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
This is something we do know with absolute certainty - That the FBI involvement was due to Watson's use of the internet to commit the alleged criminal acts..

Anything else is fantasy.
Funny…..I’ve “absolutely” heard the FBI make no announcement of the kind.
You just have to consider the source .... Is it credible or is it not.

What I will say to you is that @CloakNNNdagger and I have been the source of several things you got nowhere else that ultimately was proven to be factual down the line ... every time without fail and you must know that we compare and cross reference notes before we post it here

Bottom line , giving you guys anything is not worth the trouble when this is the result.

This is why we can't have nice things.
Not to be an arse…..but I’ve never met you or CnnnD on a personal basis. I have no idea who you guys are other than you are Corrosion and his moniker is CloakNNNdagger, which I can safely assume is not your birth names. Now, I enjoy reading both of your post(s) but in no way would I throw blind faith behind each and every thing the both of you post.
Just for the sake of context and why I replied the way I did.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
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Not to be an arse…..but I’ve never met you or CnnnD on a personal basis. I have no idea who you guys are other than you are Corrosion and his moniker is CloakNNNdagger, which I can safely assume is not your birth names. Now, I enjoy reading both of your post(s) but in no way would I throw blind faith behind each and every thing the both of you post.
In this case you should.

They've got knowledge of what they're talking about.
 

steelbtexan

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Agree and very well said. I have been on this board with both of these guys for many years and look forward to their comments more than most. Sometimes discussion turns into debate with each posters (in general) demanding to be right. I just enjoy taking looks at a topic from all sides and I probably go too far too often. Sometimes when questioned some get offended and no offense is intended. We saw that in the official rules thread very recently.

The only "issue" I have with some is when they go gutter on a poster or someone like McNair or DW. Say what you want but no reason to trash anyone.
Oh there's plenty of reason to call Derrick a sexual predator and a POS.

BTW, y'all are doing a fine job if the goal is to silence CnnD and Corrosion. If I was in their shoes I wouldn't give any of y'all a bit of inside info if y'all were going to argue with me about the validity of my sources. Especially since they'e neverbeen wrong in the past when it comes to giving insider info.

Great fvcking job, I'm going to miss their insight/info on this topic, since their info seems to be more correct than what the media is throwing against the wall and hoping it sticks.

Give us an example of going gutter? The McNair's/Derrick etc... deserve all of the critcism they are getting. I mean Derick's 200 massages in a yr is pretty close to getting in the gutter. Unless you dont have a problem with that lifestyle. Calling the McNair's out for putting $$$$/marketing and being NOT TEXANS WORTHY is not even close to getting in the gutter. Unless you think a strict profiteer is a guy you have no problems with.
 
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banned1976

sleeper mode
You just have to consider the source .... Is it credible or is it not.

What I will say to you is that @CloakNNNdagger and I have been the source of several things you got nowhere else that ultimately was proven to be factual down the line ... every time without fail and you must know that we compare and cross reference notes before we post it here

Bottom line , giving you guys anything is not worth the trouble when this is the result.

This is why we can't have nice things.
What nice things? The Texans are a dumpster fire.
 

banned1976

sleeper mode
Just for the sake of context and why I replied the way I did.
I've spoken to CND on the phone a few times. He's a genuine guy whom I trust and respect. We don't always agree on here but he helped me understand what to expect when my best friend was dying from cancer. Not very many people would take time out of their day to do that. And for that I am very grateful.
 

djohn2oo8

Veteran
why? doesn't Federal have priority?
Corrosion explained it best. Especially due to sexual crimes, those must come from the state first. Now, there are various charges he could face. Trafficking of Persons, Sexual assault, indecent exposure, harassment.
 

djohn2oo8

Veteran
FBI, regardless of what they are investigating have not found any wrongdoing as of yet. That’s pretty much the point.
The FBI wouldn’t bring charges. The Department of Justice/US attorney’s office down here would. Because there are no charges yet doesn’t mean they haven’t found or don’t have evidence of wrongdoing. The FBI doesn’t get involved unless they found some evidence of wrong doing. Whether it meets the criteria for federal charges is another thing. That’s up to federal prosecutors.
 

IDEXAN

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Oh there's plenty of reason to call Derrick a sexual predator and a POS.

BTW, y'all are doing a fine job if the goal is to silence CnnD and Corrosion. If I was in their shoes I wouldn't give any of y'all a bit of inside info if y'all were going to argue with me about the validity of my sources. Especially since they'e neverbeen wrong in the past when it comes to giving insider info.

Great fvcking job, I'm going to miss their insight/info on this topic, since their info seems to be more correct than what the media is throwing against the wall and hoping it sticks.

Give us an example of going gutter? The McNair's/Derrick etc... deserve all of the critcism they are getting. I mean Derick's 200 massages in a yr is pretty close to getting in the gutter. Unless you dont have a problem with that lifestyle. Calling the McNair's out for putting $$$$/marketing and being NOT TEXANS WORTHY is not even close to getting in the gutter. Unless you think a strict profiteer is a guy you have no problems with.
The only thing I want to know at this point is, who's gonna buy this organization - Musk or Bezos ? The Texans need to bought and rebranded in the worst sort of way.
They've both now got Texas operations, one even has moved his corporate headquarters to the state, and of course they would prefer to buy the Cowboys, but I doubt that the Jones family will ever sell their team certainly not as long as their founders alive. The Cowboys are the Jones family, and the family is the Cowboys whereas I get the impression that the Texans are a kind of hobby to Janice and Cal, no passion there, they really aren't in to it.
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
The only thing I want to know at this point is, who's gonna buy this organization - Musk or Bezos ? The Texans need to bought and rebranded in the worst sort of way.
They've both now got Texas operations, one even has moved his corporate headquarters to the state, and of course they would prefer to buy the Cowboys, but I doubt that the Jones family will ever sell their team certainly not as long as their founders alive. The Cowboys are the Jones family, and the family is the Cowboys whereas I get the impression that the Texans are a kind of hobby to Janice and Cal, no passion there, they really aren't in to it.
If I had to pick….Elon Musk would be my choice. He seems to have genuine interest in everything he touches, not to mention he’s young enough to enjoy this investment for the long term.
 

IDEXAN

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If I had to pick….Elon Musk would be my choice. He seems to have genuine interest in everything he touches, not to mention he’s young enough to enjoy this investment for the long term.
Yes Musk is truly a remarkable human being, in other words not just your garden variety multi billionaire genius.
I dunno maybe he'd find sports too trivial, not worthy of his time and attention. But I do know he likes challenges, you know to feed that gigantic ego of his. Now turning the Houston Texans into champions is a huge challenge for anybody, even Elon Musk.
 

steelbtexan

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The only thing I want to know at this point is, who's gonna buy this organization - Musk or Bezos ? The Texans need to bought and rebranded in the worst sort of way.
They've both now got Texas operations, one even has moved his corporate headquarters to the state, and of course they would prefer to buy the Cowboys, but I doubt that the Jones family will ever sell their team certainly not as long as their founders alive. The Cowboys are the Jones family, and the family is the Cowboys whereas I get the impression that the Texans are a kind of hobby to Janice and Cal, no passion there, they really aren't in to it.
I get this and if true I guess you dont need to be spending time here. I'm going to miss you.

Not everybody feels this way and enjoy getting info that we cant get from the lousy Houston and national media.

We should consider ourselves fortunate to have posters like these. Instead what we have are a few deniers or posters that really only care about what can be gotten in trade for Derrick. Look at the info CnnD/Corrosion out out saying that Derrick wouldn't be traded at the deadline this yr and all of the crap they caught for it. I wont blame them if they stop posting on this topic. But I do hope they keep posting on other topics. The injuryreport is 2nd to none on any NFL MB and Corrosion has been lucky enough to be around the some greatest minds that have ever lived when it comes to QB play and offenses in general.

Yeah lets run those guys off. I wish RS had never been allowed Derrick to begin with because I knew these types of arguments would happen.
 

thunderkyss

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The Department of Justice/US attorney’s office down here would. Because there are no charges yet doesn’t mean they haven’t found or don’t have evidence of wrongdoing.
i believe it is unlikely that the FBI found any evidence of wrong doing. They aren’t waiting on depositions, they’ve already spoken to Watson, they’ve also spoken to the accusers.
 

djohn2oo8

Veteran
i believe it is unlikely that the FBI found any evidence of wrong doing. They aren’t waiting on depositions, they’ve already spoken to Watson, they’ve also spoken to the accusers.
If you are a “subject” of an FBI investigation, they generally don’t talk to you. Sounds like Rusty is lying about the FBI talking to Watson. Why would they talk to him? Hardin only said Watson spoke to the FBI about alleged extortion when that is not what they are looking at
 

Earl34

All Pro
If you are a “subject” of an FBI investigation, they generally don’t talk to you. Sounds like Rusty is lying about the FBI talking to Watson. Why would they talk to him? Hardin only said Watson spoke to the FBI about alleged extortion when that is not what they are looking at
Based on this post. I guess only people who are not a "subject" of an FBI investigation are charged with lying or willingly making false statements to the FBI. :kitten:
 

djohn2oo8

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Based on this post. I guess only people who are not a "subject" of an FBI investigation are charged with lying or willingly making false statements to the FBI. :kitten:
Yes because then they are TARGETS. Which means the FBI already has what they need when they talk to an individual to prove if they are lying or not. Why would they talk to Watson right now when they are still information gathering? They wouldn’t.
 
I have no qualms with this but I do regarding this matter. Regardless of sources I doubt anyone on this board is privy to absolute lowdown regarding the Texans situation. If they’re hearing whispers then that would probably be classified as 3rd to maybe further down the line information…..which equates to hearsay or gossip.

My simple statement was that I’ve heard nothing from the FBI regarding their investigation and to what extent their involvement is needed.
Gotta be honest Opti but you are contradicting yourself. On one hand you say you don’t know who they are so you can’t fully trust what they say, fair enough, but then on the other you say that their information would only 3rd hand.

That is a contradiction because for all you know either of them could be Cal, Caserio, Easterby, Hardin, Buzzbee or Watson himself. The same thing that you are saying is why you can’t “throw blind faith” is also why you shouldn't disregard as well.

As far as asking for proof or “where did the FBI say that” you know full well that you are asking for the impossible. Even if they did have proof they couldn’t post it because that could result in jail time. So you asking for proof is just a roundabout way of trying to discredit it.

As others have said believe or not and trust or not, I don’t blame you for taking it with a grain of salt, I do as well, but if the new standard is going to be that proof must be provided before posting well then might as well shut this place down because almost no post would meet that standard.
 
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