Texansballer74
The Marine
I can’t remember his name . What I do remember he bounced right around Watson’s rookie year.
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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson
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nvrmnd
There were a handful of Wof's.
I've been pleasantly surprised by posters that I thought were WOF's but are actually Texans fans. You were included in thisgroup and I will gladly admit I was wrong.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Why do we get labeled as WoF's when we think he is a great QB on the field....that's absurd
When this happened, I vaguely recall a couple of 610 hosts discussing it and based on their opinions of Bryan Burney's past social media posts, their opinion was he is an obnoxious, arrogant, and unprofessional troll.
I guess he liked a tweet and as a marketing agent for Watson's agency, he is very active on social media. But unlike Amy Palcic, his employer has not fired him for his opinions or social media postings.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Blackmail would not involve the FBI unless it involved a law of the United States in the federal system, and even then it would only be a misdemeanor. Blackmail in the context of the Watson situation would strictly be a state or local matter.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Everyone has to label everything these days. Proof: The Alphabet Gang.
It’s so marketing can make better sells.
And the government can keep track of you.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Maybe you should go with the famous Mr. or Mrs. Unnamed Source?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Things seem to be contained for now....................but the future should be worrisome to someone..........
By most accounts, when he was drafted, there were no character concerns with Watson and he had a clean public persona. Being a Texans fan for 20 years and the majority of that time watching mediocre QB play, I don't get why hoping a highly drafted QB and giving him time to develop became a bad thing (WOF) on this forum. Especially when you consider many posters like myself were Texans fans before Watson was even drafted. Who knew a young QB who threw for 104 TDs and 36 INTs would polarize this forum with his on field play.
Based on what we knew at the time, I don't apologize for rooting and hoping Watson would have been the Texans answer at QB. Hell, after watching that crap fest between Brisset and Taylor, I still think the over the top criticism of Watson's on field performance was ridiculous. I'm just glad so many posters are now realizing that there are fundamental issues with this offensive scheme that goes beyond just the QB.
I guess better late than never.
By most accounts, when he was drafted, there were no character concerns with Watson and he had a clean public persona. Being a Texans fan for 20 years and the majority of that time watching mediocre QB play, I don't get why hoping a highly drafted QB and giving him time to develop became a bad thing (WOF) on this forum. Especially when you consider many posters like myself were Texans fans before Watson was even drafted. Who knew a young QB who threw for 104 TDs and 36 INTs would polarize this forum with his on field play.
Based on what we knew at the time, I don't apologize for rooting and hoping Watson would have been the Texans answer at QB. Hell, after watching that crap fest between Brisset and Taylor, I still think the over the top criticism of Watson's on field performance was ridiculous. I'm just glad so many posters are now realizing that there are fundamental issues with this offensive scheme that goes beyond just the QB.
I guess better late than never.
Regardless of scheme Derrick will never win a championship until he modifies his style of play. In short he aint all that. Is he better than Tyrod/Brissett etc... yes.
Is he better than Brady/Rodgers/Murray/Herbert/Dak/Burrow/Mahomes/Stafford /Wilson etc... Not in my opinion. Is he a good QB? yes. Is he a top 5 QB? Not IMHO
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Maybe the Patriots will want him this off-season. Kraft can set him up with the legal team that got him out of that rub and tug case, clear Deshauns record, and get him ready to play. Watson carries them far in the playoffs for the next few years, and the Texans get crappy late round firsts for it. The Patriots go back to being contenders every year while taking the Texans lunch money every chance they get. Order is restored to the NFL.
Belichick drafted his next QB and they are currently working on developing him in the same way that they developed Brady early in his career.
Good to see you posting again. You've been missed.
I've explained Seven Ways To Sundown exactly what the FBI was investigating back in August when Harden tried to paint the opposite picture. Someone just isn't listening.
Internet crimes is the only thing here that the Feds have any jurisdiction over ....
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I've explained Seven Ways To Sundown exactly what the FBI was investigating back in August when Harden tried to paint the opposite picture. Someone just isn't listening.
Internet crimes is the only thing here that the Feds have any jurisdiction over ....
Was Watson advertising his services or was he responding to the advertisements the women were placing online? Maybe “some” of the women were using their platform for other services and were willing to take those services across state lines in order to get paid.
Then he’s not talking about you
Bluehen Texan
Waterboy
WTF is WoF?
Watson Only Fan
Bluehen Texan
Waterboy
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
From what was reported when Pats cut Antonio Brown sexual assault, and the accusation of it, is the one unforgivable sin in BB's book and is the one thing he will not overlook when it comes to signing players.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
By most accounts, when he was drafted, there were no character concerns with Watson and he had a clean public persona. Being a Texans fan for 20 years and the majority of that time watching mediocre QB play, I don't get why hoping a highly drafted QB and giving him time to develop became a bad thing (WOF) on this forum. Especially when you consider many posters like myself were Texans fans before Watson was even drafted. Who knew a young QB who threw for 104 TDs and 36 INTs would polarize this forum with his on field play.
Based on what we knew at the time, I don't apologize for rooting and hoping Watson would have been the Texans answer at QB. Hell, after watching that crap fest between Brisset and Taylor, I still think the over the top criticism of Watson's on field performance was ridiculous. I'm just glad so many posters are now realizing that there are fundamental issues with this offensive scheme that goes beyond just the QB.
I guess better late than never.
Agreed, in fact I honestly believe if the number of women accusing him had stay to just a few then most would believe that it was just a money grab. His public persona was completely spotless so it seemed unbelievable that he could even be accused of this. Its when the number reached double digits that it got uncomfortable for hardcore Watson defenders. Still remember watching Stephen A Smith talking about it and be about ready to claim it was the Texans behind it all then the number kept rising and he actually, for once, shut up.
As far as Watson's abilities on the field he is talented and there is no denying that, now how talented that gets trickier and personally I blame two main factors. One was the college system where the best teams stay the best because they can recruit the best. Great WRs and playing against weaker teams can make a QB look far better than they actually are. Its one reason I don't like watching college football. Second factor is that OB's scheme was completely wrong for the style of play that Watson has. OB wouldn't or couldn't change his scheme and Watson wouldn't or couldn't be the type of QB that could make that scheme work. Of course the only QB I've seen make it work was Brady so there is that.
All in all the whole situation is sad for everyone and at the end of the day there will be no winners, except the lawyers, just different degrees of losers. At best you have a young man that has thrown his reputation and the best years of his career away because he couldn't act with maturity and not place himself in compromising situations and at worst you have someone that used their fame and money and the belief that they are untouchable to assault a lot of young women.
And for us well...Houston sports curse strikes again and this time it went for the throat.
I'm sad that the women were put in this position.
Sad for Derrick? Not so much.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I believe every women involved had an opportunity to come forward to seek justice before the media blitz was started. I believe 1 filed a complaint and 1 tried to settle thru blackmail. How far had the police got into their investigation of the first women who came forward before Buzzbee went public with this information? 20 other women came forward after the media blitz had began and the majority went to Buzzbee. I believe a 2nd women filed a complaint on her own…..and then 8 more of Buzzbee’s group came forward and filed complaints. Those just appeared to come later than I would have expected unless Buzzbee was under the impression a settlement was in the works. When that fell through….then the women came forward and filed complaints against Watson.
I just want this settled sooner than later and the longer this drags on….the more it becomes a big ol’ game of “he said-she said”.
I just want this settled sooner than later and the longer this drags on….the more it becomes a big ol’ game of “he said-she said”.
I don't blame the women who waited. It's what I would have done, because I wouldn't have thought anybody would believe me.
I'm sure there are more women out there in the shadows still waiting for an outcome of this situation before they come forward for a 2nd dip into the pool. Even after the initial complaints are resolved, this won't be over and rightfully so might I add.
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When you use the internet to "contact or acquire" victims or potential victims , that's the federal jurisdiction.
The fact that Some Women might offer services outside of massage therapy is irrelevant to this case - These women did not offer those services.
It was Watson who would seek out individuals , via the internet under the pretense of massage therapy and allegedly do the things he was accused of which ranges from indecent exposure , forcing them to touch his peepee , forced oral and forced penetration (IE Rape) all of which are crimes in themselves. These accusations are handled by state district courts.
The use of the internet to contact , select & acquire victims of criminal acts is federal (USDOJ) jurisdiction hence the involvement of the Federal Bureau of Investigation , the investigatory arm of the USDOJ.
Extortion or blackmail would not be handled by the FBI , that would fall into a state district court and be handled by local authorities , generally the county sheriff and prosecuted by that counties elected state district attorney.
When you use the internet to "contact or acquire" victims or potential victims , that's the federal jurisdiction.
The fact that Some Women might offer services outside of massage therapy is irrelevant to this case - These women did not offer those services.
It was Watson who would seek out individuals , via the internet under the pretense of massage therapy and allegedly do the things he was accused of which ranges from indecent exposure , forcing them to touch his peepee , forced oral and forced penetration (IE Rape) all of which are crimes in themselves. These accusations are handled by state district courts.
The use of the internet to contact , select & acquire victims of criminal acts is federal (USDOJ) jurisdiction hence the involvement of the Federal Bureau of Investigation , the investigatory arm of the USDOJ.
Extortion or blackmail would not be handled by the FBI , that would fall into a state district court and be handled by local authorities , generally the county sheriff and prosecuted by that counties elected state district attorney.
Hardcore Texan
Magnet Man
Apparently she thought she could blackmail him because he likes to play stinky finger, and apparently he didn't care if the whole world found out at least not for that price tag.
I've explained Seven Ways To Sundown exactly what the FBI was investigating back in August when Harden tried to paint the opposite picture. Someone just isn't listening.
Internet crimes is the only thing here that the Feds have any jurisdiction over ....
You keep making this statement and I do listen. However, contrary to what you post. Directly on the FBI website, they have cases that they have investigated. So, who should I believe? You or the FBI? Maybe both of us should shut up and let someone in law enforcement like @powda clear this up.
California man sentenced for blackmail | USAO-MT | Department of Justice
Acting U.S. Attorney Announces Charges Against Correctional Officer Who Demanded Bribe In The Form Of Sex From A Female Prison Visitor | USAO-SDNY | Department of Justice
Audrey Strauss, the Acting United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, and William F. Sweeney Jr., the Assistant Director in Charge of the New York Field Office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”), announced today the unsealing of an Indictment charging ROBERT ADAMS with bribery and blackmail. ADAMS was arrested this morning and is expected to be presented before U.S. Magistrate Judge Robert W. Lehrburger. The case is assigned to U.S. District Judge Paul G. Gardephe.
FBI Jacksonville Warns of Blackmail Scam — FBI
Boris
All Pro
Yes and in the link below, this guy wasn't a federal employee. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but clearly the FBI does investigate blackmail. That was my point.
Also, my understanding was if local and state did not open a case, the FBI can also investigate. However, I defer to someone who actually works in law enforcement for clarification or correction.
California man sentenced for blackmail | USAO-MT | Department of Justice
Perhaps because the blackmail was across state lines? Or because it was blackmail accusing federal crimes? He said the IRS and FBI were involved?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Are you saying that none of the women who traveled out of state to Watson had never had any contact with him before their first out of state interaction? Is this your claim?
Personally, I’d have plenty of doubts that a woman would hope on a plane and fly to a random contacts hotel that she has no idea of who they are b/c said caller found their name thru a random search on InstaGram. To me, the women who may have traveled to visit Watson out of state were women that had already met with him before.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Your first example involved a blackmailer who used fraudulent accusations of committing federal crimes, including IRS fraud, and repeatedly asked for US governmental assistance>>>>>>>>>>>>>hence, under the jurisdiction of the FBI.
Your second example involved Robert Adams who was a correctional officer employed by the United States Bureau of Prisons>>>>>>>>>>hence, under the jurisdiction of the FBI
Your third example involves mail fraud (also similar worded letters were reported outside of Florida, giving it an interstate connection)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hence, under the jurisdiction of the FBI.
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Again. Yes or No. Does the FBI investigate blackmail? Because according to Corrosion, they do not handle blackmail.
Also, where is the Athlete's First agency or Bryan Burney located that you mentioned in your previous post. If he isn't located in Texas. Is that not a interstate connection? Even in your post it mentioned blackmail. My point is none of us are law enforcement officials and don't know the details. However, to simply say the FBI does not investigate blackmail is wrong. Because under certain situations they do. That is my point.
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Q: does the FBI investigate blackmail?
The government's reply:
Classification 9: Extortion
This classification was established for investigations involving the use of mail or other means of interstate commerce to:
Source
The government's reply:
Classification 9: Extortion
This classification was established for investigations involving the use of mail or other means of interstate commerce to:
- Demand ransom for a kidnapped person
or - Threaten to kidnap or inure any person
or - Demand money based on threats to injure someone
Source
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Question: Does the FBI investigate blackmail?
Only correct answer: It depends.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
It’s a pretty sad state of affairs for the franchise when this is all what’s going on.
So in my best Jack McCoy voice:
- Under certain situations, the FBI does investigate blackmail and extortion
- However, if a state or local agency is already investigating, they will not investigate
- However, if the blackmail involves interstate communication, they will investigate
Sigh. Time to check out of this thread again.
Folks in here posting about how the FBI investigates extortion and bribery, those cases generally have something to do with actually federal statutes.
Bingo
I'm only checking on the thread to see if we get to move it. lol
But I figure any significant update - i.e. trade - would immediately get its own thread.
I'm so sick of this story. It has to be lowest this city has ever been with its football team, and that includes the lame duck Oilers with their plans to move out.
This is incorrect as Corrosion stated complaints were filed last year. No one blackmailed Watson. Attempting to settle is not blackmail in this case. Also, all of these women are well within the statute of limitations. So because they didn’t come forward when YOU wanted them to is irrelevant
Just looked back and I want to thank Leebigez and Texans Fan15 for the unlikes.
Get in bed with trash and the stench is going to rub off on you.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I believe they call that "The Watson".. Two in the stink, One's hope down the sink.
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I refer to this as the Oily Watson.I believe they call that "The Watson".. Two in the stink, One's hope down the sink.
This is something we do know with absolute certainty - That the FBI involvement was due to Watson's use of the internet to commit the alleged criminal acts..
Anything else is fantasy.
Not to be argumentative, but if SI can dig up enough “evidence” why haven’t the FBI brought charges?
It's the nature of the alleged crimes - they boil down to his word Vs hers.
They pretty much have to convict him of the sex crimes before those things become relevant.
badboy
Hall of Fame
If the charges are boiled down to he said vs she said would that not include any federal interest in the internet charges? Where does the conviction come from?
Hasn't he admitted that he contacted them thru instagram?