xtruroyaltyx
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A lot of you have probably seen this, but this is a fun watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cpIkjW-CY4
Clowney vs. Lewan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cpIkjW-CY4
Clowney vs. Lewan
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Selection 1.1: JaDeveon Clowney DE-OLB
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Fallon runs a 6.9 40 yard dash.
Jadeveon Clowney does Jimmy Fallon, shows why he’s tough to hate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utSc_iN0z5U
Jadeveon Clowney does Jimmy Fallon, shows why he’s tough to hate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utSc_iN0z5U
The Pencil Neck
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Splitting double-teams and tackling runners as soon as they get the football can be pretty dominating.
Okay, I agree with that ... in college. If he doesn't have a motor at least 50% of Watt, how successful will he be splitting pro double teams and tackling runners as soon as they get the football?
So, you are saying he only "chose" to turn on his pass rush enough times to get 3 whopping sacks last year? By most people's standards ... 3 sacks by a "dominating" pass rusher = fail.
xtruroyaltyx
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I've been watching a bunch of film on all these prospects including Clowney, and the taking plays off thing is overblown.
I do wish he had that JJ Watt level of intensity, but I did notice that SC had him playing different ways from down to down.
Some times it looks like he was able to just get up field any way he could...Other times it looks like they wanted him setting the edge and not getting up field. I was also surprised in one game I watched where he dropped back more than I expected. He played standing up a few times as well.
But yeah....His effort is not something I'm worried about at all really. I think he's going to be a beast personally.
I do wish he had that JJ Watt level of intensity, but I did notice that SC had him playing different ways from down to down.
Some times it looks like he was able to just get up field any way he could...Other times it looks like they wanted him setting the edge and not getting up field. I was also surprised in one game I watched where he dropped back more than I expected. He played standing up a few times as well.
But yeah....His effort is not something I'm worried about at all really. I think he's going to be a beast personally.
The Pencil Neck
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If you take a look at the end of that Michigan game that someone posted a link to, you'll see that his team ended up winning because of him. He demolished a running play and forced a fumble and recovered the fumble. They scored after that and then when Michigan was driving, he knifed in and shut down another play with almost the same consequences. And on the hail mary on the last play of the game, Michigan blocked him with 3 people.
The early part of that game, I think he could have played with more intensity. But... he did turn it on in the end. And he didn't get any sacks.
Now.
You bring him into Houston and surround him with Watt and Cushing, Kollar and his S&C coach from when he WAS playing with high intensity, and I think/hope we're going to get the Clowney from 2 years ago, the Clowney who did not have "motor" issues and the Clowney who was an obvious #1 pick.
But like I said, this has been discussed ad nauseum in another thread.
WolverineFan
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To be quite honest (and I've stated this many times before) "The Hit" was a completely overrated play. Michigan's idiot OC decided to zone block Clowney 1-on-1 with a backup walk-on TE, who had an impossible angle to make for the block. Clowney ran right by him and destroyed the poor RB, but it was a play that any player worth his salt should make.
Now the other play was legit and, while Lewan more than held his own against Clowney, he also got away with quite a few holds.
xtruroyaltyx
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Every player doesn't come off the ball and get that much explosion with that short of a distance.
Looking at several of Clowney's games it appears that inside move is his favorite and he's made several TFL like that.
Also, look at the play again. The TE never really tried to block Clowney. He just stuck a feeler out there and went to the next level. The right guard pulled and to me it looked like he was going to try to kick Clowney out, but Clowney read it to fast and was far too explosive/quick getting up field getting up field.
The players helmet popping off and the ball coming loose added emphasis and a wow highlight factor to the play, but I wouldn't take away anything Clowney did there by stating it was a routine play because it wasn't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC44nP7ClxM
Go to about the 45 second mark and you can see that the TE nor LT (Lewan) try to block Clowney. Then you see the RG pull and attempt to block him but he just can't get there. Lewan said that Clowney wasn't his guy on that play.
Also could be a mental error on someone's part. But regardless, the play was still impressive by Clowney.
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Last year Skip Bayless declared Clowney the best pass rusher on the planet , we'll see .
WolverineFan
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I'm not saying that the play was not impressive or that his get off is not explosive. I'm talking about how Michigan left him completely unblocked while running right at him. The OC said after the game that the TE was supposed to block him. He didn't.
My point was that play basically made him famous and he was unblocked. It's not like he destroyed a double team and blew up Adrian Peterson. He was unblocked and they ran right at him with a 170 lb RB. Of course the guy got destroyed.
WolverineFan
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Skip also said that he was a better pass rusher as a freshman than any player currently in the NFL.
He also said that if we didn't take Manziel #1 then O'Brien should be fired on the spot.
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Skippy Bayless will soon declare that Johnny Football is the best pass rusher and QB on the planet. -- sources
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I was saying Clowney gets to be on the same team with the real deal . We'll see if JD can measure up .
Watt is great most likely the best defensive player in the league but we were 2-14 last year too so I hope Clowney and Watt can just beast together to the point it makes the team as a whole better.
Bulls on Parade
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Our goal in 2014 should be dominating on defense. I'm going to feel upset every time this defense allows a Touchdown. We should have a highly ranked run defense, pass defense and forcing much more than 11 turnovers. Holding teams to 13 points or less per game is what I believe our defense is capable of. Forcing several three and outs. Our pass rush should become elite and one of the best in the game.
The "best pass rusher on the planet" only had 3 sacks last year ....
I bet you're a climate change denier, too.
I didn't like the pick, but I'm 100% behind it until I see reason not to be. And that doesn't mean I expect to see JJ Watt out of him. I expect to see talent, effort and progression. He should be better by week 16 than he was in week 10, etc.
Marshall
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I bet you're a climate change denier, too.
I didn't like the pick, but I'm 100% behind it until I see reason not to be. And that doesn't mean I expect to see JJ Watt out of him. I expect to see talent, effort and progression. He should be better by week 16 than he was in week 10, etc.
The controversy isn't about the climate changing, it's about whether it's caused by mankind or natural variation AND whether we should give up our way of life in vain efforts to mitigate the changes. The left has a money-grubbing interest in climate alarmism. Once again, it's about taking YOUR money to "Solve" a problem which doesn't exist.
ps We started keeping records as we were coming out of a mini ice age in the middle ages. Is it any real surprise that the records show warming?
jradMIT
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Come on now climate change is vastly above most people scientific understanding, and definitely not fodder for a sports forum.
I agree this is not the appropriate place to talk about climate change, but, unless I'm missing something, DocBar brought it up.
b0ng
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Literally a one liner joke that didn't need a 2 paragraph breakdown full of political talking points.
If Clowney is even half the player he was hyped to be he's going to be a world beater. His highlight reels are something else, but I think it's legitimate to question the work ethic and motor he possesses.
BullNation4Life
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well like that limousine ridin, jet flyin, kiss stealin, wheelin, dealin son of a gun once said...
To be the man, you have to beat the man and as far as pass rushers go, JJ Watt is the man....
http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgrades.php
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In Walterfootball's post Draft analysis of the Texans' Clowney pick they end it with a provocative statement: Houston is a city where young JD could run into trouble because of the kind of people he might hang out with ? Bad influences in H-town, what's that about ?
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Who lives in freaking Philadelphia... especially a city like Philadelphia.
'Nuff said.
Fixed it for ya.
I changed it because I think all the hoopla about Clowney will make J.J. take his game up to a whole 'nuther level.
I believe J.J. just has that kind of pride.
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And yet I'm willing to bet he'll have 12.5 or more sacks as a rookie in the NFL in 2014. More than four times that amount. So what's the problem? People are too focused on sack numbers. How many times did he swat a pass down, make a tackle for a loss, or even command two and three blockers? And he was doing it playing on one good foot. I can't wait to see what he does in 2014 fully healthy and playing on a defense with tons of talent around him along with an excellent coaching staff.
This was Jadeveon Clowney's last college football game played... That Capitol One Bowl game
Nice tackle for a loss in the backfield
http://youtu.be/HtJ9sTQMgf8
Three pass deflections, one leading to an interception
http://youtu.be/yfOh1aKND50
He made a difference without racking up sacks in that game. He can disrupt the game in many ways.
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I'll take the under on that bet.
Clowney has to beat OTs and Watt. Think this year is graduate school for him.
NastyNate
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Same here. I'd wager around 6-7 sacks this year for Clowney. That's about the topout for rookie pass rushers.
I'm starting to think you don't like Clowney.
I hope he does great ... I just wouldn't have gambled a 1:1 on him.
Drafted him to pressure the QB .. he had 3 sacks his senior season.
Very questionable motor and drive.
Hangs with questionable people.
Too many flags for me to use my 1:1 on him.
I believe Rick Smith was too stubborn in wanting multiple #1's for the 1:1 and they painted themselves into a corner. If it doesn't work out, Rick Smith should be gone.
Hervoyel
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If he isn't then Vince Young should be fired....... oh wait....
michaelm
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Fixed it for ya.
I changed it because I think all the hoopla about Clowney will make J.J. take his game up to a whole 'nuther level.
I believe J.J. just has that kind of pride.
Sorry, wrong. JJ motivates himself. Clowney's presence won't cause him to find another level that he couldn't find by himself.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Well the OT's I understand, but Watt is like the only guy he has to beat for a sack on the Texans. I'm hoping the kid comes out like Jevon Kearse did with the Titans years and years ago but it's been awhile since a rookie Dlineman scratched together a 10+ sack season.
Jackie Chiles
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Aldon Smith did it a few years ago. Technically not a D-lineman but neither is Clowney.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
This is true, although Aldon has Justin Smith in front of him to tie up O-linemen (Who did Kearse have on that Titans team to draw attention away from him? http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/oti/1999_roster.htm makes me think the answer is "nobody"), and Clowney will have Watt.
He's certainly come into a great situation for a DL.
I agree 100%. This is a perfect situation for Clowney in so many ways. I really hope RAC gets creative with Watt and Clowney and moves them around alot. Make the offense have to adjust to something different as much as possible.
Hangs out with questionable people?? You got some bad info.
To the stat obsessed folks, JJ is regressing because he went from 20.5 sacks in 2012 to "only" 10.5 sacks in 2013, so he's obviously not as good as he was before (their apparent logic, not mine).
To the rest of us, stats only tell part of the story. I think judging an incoming rookie based solely on stats and media blathering redundant arguments is a bit shallow and does not show an open mind willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt before he's even played a down of pro football.
Some fans seem so stubborn to be proven right that they seem to be rooting against one of our new players.
To the rest of us, stats only tell part of the story. I think judging an incoming rookie based solely on stats and media blathering redundant arguments is a bit shallow and does not show an open mind willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt before he's even played a down of pro football.
Some fans seem so stubborn to be proven right that they seem to be rooting against one of our new players.
weird huh?
msr!!1
but...
yeah.
How many sacks did Watt record his last year at Wisconsin, I wonder.
xtruroyaltyx
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Exactly.
And so many people were excited when we drafted him because if the numbers but if you turned the film on you see a guy who wasnt really that good.
TejasTom
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