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Ryan Mallett
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The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
OB said, when he made him the starting QB, that he wasn't going to pull him from games, he was going to ride it out with Mallett to see what he could do in the starter's seat. I can only imagine that's what he thought he was doing.
Letting a guy that's injured to the point that he really can't get it done and it's obviously impacting his performance and jeopardizing the team's chances is mind-wobbling. I hope OB didn't do that. It would shake my faith in him a bit if he did and my faith has already taken a hit with him going with Fitzpatrick for so damned long to start with.
Tolar's Ghost
Waterboy
Well-said.
My confidence was shaken when he brought Fitz here to begin with. Maybe it's me, but taking a Bills' and Titans' retread was odd.
And OB's Hoodie-esque, footsie-playing act with injuries also bugs me.
Oh, and he needs to bring in an OC.
(And my wife likes the cleft in his chin, but says his hair's too short.)
My confidence was shaken when he brought Fitz here to begin with. Maybe it's me, but taking a Bills' and Titans' retread was odd.
And OB's Hoodie-esque, footsie-playing act with injuries also bugs me.
Oh, and he needs to bring in an OC.
(And my wife likes the cleft in his chin, but says his hair's too short.)
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
Shame we can't evaluate him in more game situations, but DO NOT extend him a monster contract just to keep him, on the strength of one game. Even if he would have been our franchise QB, he may never recover the arm strength he had. And even if he does, the small amount of evidence available suggests he may be injury prone. Do not bet the franchise on the off chance that everything will be rosy. Offer what's reasonable and if another team wants to play the fool, let them take him.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
It's not like OB has xray vision. He has nothing more than Mallett's word on what's going on. Mallett also does not have a medical degree. He felt a little soreness, some pain. But felt he could play.
It's not like the kid didn't make any good throws. He threw some bullets.
In retrospect we "know" they made some "bad" decisions. But that's only because we "know" the injury is season ending.
Our evaluation doesn't really mean anything. OB & Godsey have a season's worth of practices to evaluate Ryan Mallett. Godsey has another three years.
Right now, we're not looking for a franchise QB. We're looking for someone who can run this offense the way it's supposed to be run. Right now that's all Ryan Mallett is & I don't know how "easy" it would be to find someone else who can.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
No idea how you can possibly assert that.
& I think you're smarter than that.... perhaps I'm wrong. Mallett's willingness to resign with a team greatly affects the value New England can expect in return for the trade. If he's willing to resign with another team... they can expect a 3rd, or next year's 2nd. Oh, he refuses to resign.... how about a 7th in the draft after next season?
Exactly.
As far as it pertains to Ryan Mallett. He's on IR.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
If that had been enough for them to evaluate him, they wouldn't have needed 9 weeks to start him over Rag Arm.
Vance87
All Pro
OB needed enough probable cause to start Mallet. Basically it's what I said 4-5 weeks ago when we were still playing Fitz.
Number19
Hall of Fame
On today's pregame, OB stated his philosophy is to not start rookie QB's. This being the case, nothing can be concluded on Savage's potential or future as an NFL QB. In today's mop-up duty, OB had Savage doing nothing more than handing the ball off.
I dunno why he didn't let him sling a couple, just to see what Savage would do in a real game ? How could you get a better opportunity than today to get a quick look-see at the Savage arm ?
And I saw JJ standing next to Mallett on the sidelines toady and JJ, who is no doubt atleast 6'5", was clearly a couple inches shorter than Mallett.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Fitz looked good today, i give him credit. As Texans fans we have never got to see a QB performance like this except when it was Manning shredding our Defense. Good job Fitz !
With that said, Mallett will be the starter next season regardless of how the rest of this season plays out. And rightfully so IMO.
With that said, Mallett will be the starter next season regardless of how the rest of this season plays out. And rightfully so IMO.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
One of the CBS commentators said today that Mallet injured his pectoral in the weight room. He didn't cite a source, so I couldn't tell if he was stating this as fact or an educated guess.
It was Rich Gannon and his opinion. He stated that he had only seen that muscle injured in the weight room, that throwing might aggravate
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Can you imagine all of the hoopla in here there would have been if Mallet put up the performance Fitz just did?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Well yeah. Young QB with no track record shows unbridled potential v. soon to be out of the league vet having the best game of his career. Why wouldn't there be a difference?
I think Mario aggravated his during the game, but I don't know for sure. I think that it's opposing force to the direction the muscle is trying to move but again I don't know for sure. Perhaps Doc could enlighten us.
I thought it was very telling that Fitz was releasing the ball so quick. Like he didn't scan the field at all post snap. Methinks he saw what the key in this offense is. Go with the call and throw the damn ball!!!
He actually aggravated it at the end of the Browns game... but I don't understand your point. I said that Gannon had only seen them injured in the weight room, that throwing might aggravate it. Which part do you disagree with?
No, I was just responding that Gannon was the one that said it and what he said. But I distinctly remember Mallet grabbing his chest at the end of the Browns game. He went on and finished the game like everything was fine, but comments were made about him clutching his chest after a contested throw
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
He didn't cite a source because there was no source. He was speaking off the wall as a voice of ignorance. This is a common misconception. In truth, it is more the exception that an NFL player will sustain the injury during weight lifting.
This study was published earlier this year in Physician and Sportsmedicine:
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Mario sustained his injury in a game while executing a sack.......and your description of the mechanism is correct. In the case of a QB, this injury can occur as an D hits his arm while passing. Mallet is so strong that the actual pass may be entirely unaffected (and entirely unnoticeable), but this resistance under such great force can easily explain this injury. Even a player faltering or falling and catching himself on another player or ground can exert enough resistant force to the pec to cause such an injury.
Later any forceful motion like Mallet typically demonstrates in dueces with his passes, (remember, the ball as light as it is, still supplies some resistance) but even without obstructive resistance of any sort, can extend the tear. This is due to the extreme sudden contraction of the pec where the arm actually acts as its own resistant counterweight.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
I don't have the game to rewatch but Im pretty sure he hit his hand while throwing the ball against the Browns.
Can anyone confirm that?
Teddy Johnson had reported the same last week on his radio show. He said chatter from the locker-room was that it happened during an unorthodox resistance training, but he would not speculate his source other than to say it was legit.
With the typical secrecy of the Texans FO, do not expect answers. However, watch who they fire and hire in the off-season. If a weight trainer is let go, it does not confirm but adds fuel to the speculative fire.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
I'm hoping this is true. Without the weight training rumor, we would be left to believe that Mallet is a high risk for a no-contact injury that could end his season.
I don't know that you can really get anything useful out of playing him. In an out of hand game where you're just trying to get out of there without losing anyone else do you want a WR concussed making a catch over the middle? If he comes in and has a terrible game there is really no chance for him to redeem himself going forward and with the switch back to Fitzy who knows how that impacted his reps.
Mike
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Anything's possible for sure. But it is more likely that he initially injured the pec while playing....then aggravated the injury as he lifted weights and also continued practicing last week........then received the coup d'etat rupture during the Bengals game. Like you said, we are unlikely to hear confirmation of the actual chronology......at least not any time soon.
Dishman
Miss Ya Blue
Why is it more likely he suffered the injury during the game versus pre/post game in the weight room?
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
He gave us the Stats which started with the same wrong presupposition and determined that All the injuries were related to play or practice and none from weight lifting. Now this could be the first case, but that is statistically unlikely.
Sigma
Veteran
anyway if the injury was on the field it would have been on the Browns game
He was on the injury report before the cincinnati game.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
It appears the titans may have done something similar with Mettenberger, regarding his shoulder injury. After playing the Texans I think I read he sustained a Grade 1 AC sprain. He started yesterday and ended up completely separating the AC joint (Grade 3)
To me, I think the fault of the matter can be argued either way. As a player, Mett and Mallett wanted to prove and earn a starting spot in the NFL. However, the training staffs should've known the potential of making the injuries worse. These weren't those "it can't get any worse than it already is" type injuries.
Anywho, just thought I'd add my .02
To me, I think the fault of the matter can be argued either way. As a player, Mett and Mallett wanted to prove and earn a starting spot in the NFL. However, the training staffs should've known the potential of making the injuries worse. These weren't those "it can't get any worse than it already is" type injuries.
Anywho, just thought I'd add my .02
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
You're absolutely correct on all counts, especially since they were both dealing with their passing arm. You could see that Mettenberger had a lower than usual release point consistent with the injury. Any additional fall onto that shoulder would make an extension of the tear with inclusion of additional ligaments virtually predictable. With the type of poor protection he was receiving routinely, someone in the organization should have had some foresight into what was sure to come without allowing his original tear time to rest, rehab and fully heal.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Pretty sure I did something very similar around summer, felt a bit of a twinge in my pec while lifting one day, thought nothing of it, so finished my workout, was sore on my off-day, then the following day I was on about my third set of shoulder press and BOOM, was in pain just walking around for about a month from it.
The thing that made me make the poor choice of continuing was that I was about 2 months into a new workout regime, just at the point when you are getting truly settled and seeing big gains, the pressure to not sit out a few workouts is immense and you end up doing something silly.
If these reports are true, I'd guess being the starting QB on an NFL team for the first time in your career would have a similar effect and make you push through.
It'll be a strange situation re: the position this offseason, they know that Fitz is not the answer, they've seen a little something of promise with Mallett, but can't be certain, who the hell knows what they have in Savage (and can't really see a situation where we get to find out unless we lose our next 2 games).
They have to look for an upgrade in a big way don't they?
The thing that made me make the poor choice of continuing was that I was about 2 months into a new workout regime, just at the point when you are getting truly settled and seeing big gains, the pressure to not sit out a few workouts is immense and you end up doing something silly.
If these reports are true, I'd guess being the starting QB on an NFL team for the first time in your career would have a similar effect and make you push through.
It'll be a strange situation re: the position this offseason, they know that Fitz is not the answer, they've seen a little something of promise with Mallett, but can't be certain, who the hell knows what they have in Savage (and can't really see a situation where we get to find out unless we lose our next 2 games).
They have to look for an upgrade in a big way don't they?
With Clowney a big question mark, Mallett a medium question mark, Andre a small question mark, holes all over the team - where do they invest their limited resources? I doubt they use their #1 pick on a QB and will push that off yet again. They can roll out the excuse that the "perfect" guy wasn't available; that still has some life in it.
eriadoc
Texan-American
If the training staff was deliberately obfuscating the information given to Mallett, I'm not sure you can assign any blame to him at all. I don't know that to be the case, of course, but it would not surprise me at all.
Sigma
Veteran
I don't think you can assign any blame to him even if he had all the informations.
A player will always want to play, the staff is there to force him to rest and mend his wounds.
I would have blamed him for injurying himself skiing or during whatever off-the-field activity. Can't blame him for wanting to play.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Kid is saying and doing all the right things. I hope he quickly heals and sets the league on fire next year.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I don't know if he will be IT and I am scared as hell about the gamble but IF you were going to take a gamble on a reclamation project of off-field issues, he seems to be it. Seems. Seems.
PapaL
Loose Screw
His off field don't concern me. I don't have an Arron Hernandez fears. His talent and ability is what scares me. Hasn't played meaningful football in a long time. Can he deliver or are we going to have a Rob Johnson type scenario?
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
What matters is he is currently the kind of material you're looking for in a prospect.