infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Exactly. We may very well see this exact scenario play out in 3 years with Garroppolo.
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Exactly. We may very well see this exact scenario play out in 3 years with Garroppolo.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I'm positive you meant successor ... right?
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Texian
Hall of Fame
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I've got no problem with that. The difference between a franchise QB & an insurance salesman is generally his ability to make good decisions on the field. "The Patriot way" is about making it easy for the QB to make good decisions.
It takes a while to learn, even longer to master. Think chess. Chess may not seem like an easy game to play, to most, but once you learn, it's easier than you thought before you learned... & if you're playing someone who hasn't, it's easy.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Not sure what all this wonderlic talk is about. The average for NFL QBs (after being brought up by Fitzpatrick with a 50) is 24. Mallett is neither dumb nor genius in comparison.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
HA!! I never suggested Mallett was good. I only suggested that he was no worse than any QB on the current roster, BUT YET has hands on exposure with BoB's system..... Probably the reason that the Texans acquired him (even after they tried to acquire him in the spring). Probably the same reason that he could / might be starting by week 6....
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
I once took a "Wonderlic" test......... Chris, guess my score??!!?! To be fair, it was higher than "6".
Texian
Hall of Fame
I say long before that because Mallett is truly O'Brien/Godsey's guy, their first love and he knows their system. The problem with their system is Brady is not included.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I don't think you know that for certain at all. Mallet was going to go where he the market allowed him to go. There would have been no guarantee at all that he would have had a high interest from a lot of teams to have much of a choice. If the Patriots would have given him the best deal (Which they wouldn't have) then he'd likely make a business decision to stay due to financial reasons. If he had a strong chance to start somewhere that would maybe sway him to take less. Who knows. I highly doubt that Mallet would have had the kind of market out there for him to completely dismiss the Patriots as an option. There has never been any kind of demand for Mallet from any teams around the league.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
i once took a "wonderlic" test......... Chris, guess my score??!!?! To be fair, it was higher than "6".
ok, 7.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
How are you so sure of this? Didn't the reports say there were two other teams interested in Mallet (Dallas & Buffalo I believe).
I did a quick Google search and found this article written last year before the 2013 draft:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/22138887/report-multiple-teams-called-patriots-about-ryan-mallett-trade
The article implies multiple teams have expressed interest in Mallet, but the going rate was a first or second round pick.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I'm going to argue myself in a circle here and I want to acknowledge that right up front.
I believe that the Patriots did want to get something, anything, for Mallett because they expected him to leave as soon as he hit FA. He wants a chance to compete for a starting gig and it doesn't look like he's going to have a chance to do that in New England because Brady doesn't look like he's slowing down, yet.
BUT.
It's hard to imagine a market out there for him if the best the Patriots could get is a conditional 2016 7th round pick.
I mean, if that's what he got from us what the hell was Dallas and Buffalo offering? A 7th in 2017? It doesn't make sense that there was any hot market out there for him based on the trade that was actually made.
Unless Belichick was doing someone a favor. Yeah, no. that's not going to happen.
The best possible place for Mallett to land was here with us. And the best possible QB for OB to get his hands on at this late stage was Mallett.
The trade almost makes no sense when you think about it.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Who ever uses algebra? (2+2)/2 I mean why should an athlete have to know such high falootin math? ($10M + $10M)/2 (tax discount)
You mean that guy who gave up two 2nd round picks for a potential starter while kicking the owner's favorite boy to the curb? ...and went out and got Sage Rosenfels as a backup?
The same guy who brought in Leinart, Grossman, Brink, Yates, Orlovsky, and Keenum to see if any of them would be an upgrade over Schaub or at least a decent backup...?
...that Kubiak?
Yeah... he never made ANY moves at QB.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Interesting Scouting Report on our newest QB:
http://www.thefootballstandard.com/scouting/scouting-report-ryan-mallett/
http://www.thefootballstandard.com/scouting/scouting-report-ryan-mallett/
bOODRO87
Time Consumer
The most judgmental one.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Although i do agree with that, we come from the most disrespectful generation. Ours is the tipping point to the down fall of civilization which is on a fast down spiral.
speedfreek
All Pro
Dallas went on record yesterday saying they were not interested
in "the Texas hammer"
We should have waited to get the guy for nothing -- why trade a pick?
I think that was just BoB doing BB a solid.
in "the Texas hammer"
We should have waited to get the guy for nothing -- why trade a pick?
I think that was just BoB doing BB a solid.
That's a pretty fair assessment. IMHO Hopefully Mallett has cleaned up his personal life/Mechanics and improved on reading the blitz. Who should know better if he has improved in those areas than Godsey?
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
It's one of those things you don't know until after the fact. It's easy to sit back and say what people should of done after it has already been done and we see the results of the choice.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Men shouldn't judge you. But men can warn you of God's judgement. But that is called being judgmental.
Hell is giving them what they want. The absence of God. And there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
bOODRO87
Time Consumer
Open and shut case, Johnson! Good work.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I don't care what the market is/was for mallett. That's not even relevant.
Can he play. I think he can. Has some faults, but I like him.
Can he play. I think he can. Has some faults, but I like him.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
They did get him for nothing....When was the last time a 7 round draft choice made that big of a splash in the NFL?
Really complaining about a conditional 7 round pick in 2 years?
speedfreek
All Pro
They did get him for nothing....When was the last time a 7 round draft choice made that big of a splash in the NFL?
Really complaining about a conditional 7 round pick in 2 years?
You see the team as having a hole at QB. I see the team as having holes
all over the field.
If we are being hypothetical, that 7th could turn into a 6th and Brady was
a 6th.. We will never know what it could have been
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
I ain't dwindling nowhere.
I'll probably out live you, you young whippersnapper.
Me and old message board pal Thorn "gonna shut you down".
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I'll be glad to when you and they do.
And I agree that 6th/7th might not be nothing, but it's next to it.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
This isn't a negotiation. Keep your proselytizing to the NSZ. Your inability to separate forums has already gotten you kicked off one Texans MB.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I'm responding in the same forum (not initiating). Double standard or not? Or is tolerance only for those you agree with?
I personally like the Mallet pickup, but I guess I'll have to take my thoughts to another forum since we can't disagree on the same forum.
This is where I'm at. Is he a franchise QB who knows. Can he be better than a Cassel type QB? Probably
Will Mallett be better than Fitz? Definitely
Mallett's ceiling is 2009 Schaub. Mallett's floor is Todd Marinovich.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I think it remains to be seen if he can produce in this offense better than Fitz and I also I think the only downside is of a more deleterious posture. No more risk than any late round QB but potential cancerous character issues perhaps.
I think he will help us figure out who will be our Sage Rosenfels (without the milkshake breath in Mallett's case) of the team when we go after a Franchise QB in the off-season.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
What makes you say that? From what I've read/heard he has been a squeaky clean hard worker for 3 years now.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
That was back in 2011. I would like to see a report on him now. Would like to hear what Godsey says. Can we get a interview with him please? Steph?
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
I doubt it has changed much with his 4 total nfl snaps.
I don't know what Mallett brings to the lockerroom. I have to believe that O'Brien knows what he's getting into and can handle it. But, I don't believe anything that comes out (or doesn't come out) of New England. Not a thing.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
ok I ask you,who was the last 6th round pick that actually helped this team win anything?
Tom Brady was a once in a life time situation. The odds of that happening are the same as we finding life on Saturn.
If this team is worried about drafting 6th round pick in order to help this team win, they are in far more trouble. If it was a 3rd or 4th even a 5th, I could understand but conditional 7th that "maybe" turn into a 6th for a 26-27 year old QB with a cannon for an arm and could be your next starting QB....
don't see the problem
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I'm not at all judgmental, except when I am. And I judge you to be worthless, in contempt of your superiors, aggravating, and down right judgmental yourself. So, listen here young'un, you keep paying your social security taxes to support us retired old people so we can come in here and make posts that aggravate you.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
he was talking worst case/best case. I said that it's no more risk than a late rd flyer so there is no risk there. Only possible risk I see is that he is still immature although he seems clean from afar. In terms of talent I see a Drew Bledsoe type and I'll agree with that Marinovich type as his downside.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Hey! What'd we do to deserve him?
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Hopefully Belichick and Brady rubbed off on him. He needed it in a major way coming out of college. He'd make me cringe every time I'd watch his team play. And I'm not even talking about the off the field stuff. It was all whiney nonsense he did on the field. Honestly, I would've liked to hear what his teammates thought about him. Was he a Bo Callahan?
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
I find that hard to believe. 3 years of work on fundamentals, like footwork, etc. have not changed his outlook? All of the film room stuff over the last 3 years and talking about strategy with Brady and the Hoodie means nothing? 3 full camps, and full season practices have not improved him as a player?
That's really hard to believe.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
LOL!
I wasn't differing with the best/worst assessment, actually wasn't differing at all - just hadn't heard anything other than him being a model citizen (although that obviously comes with a PR grain of salt).
Think of it as charity work, fostering the stray.
So let's say OB truly believes there might be a future for Fitzpatrick & Savage.
Imagine Mallet never takes a snap for the Houston Texans.
He becomes an unrestricted FA next season & we don't even make an offer.
We lose a 7th round pick in 2016.
I think that is more likely to happen, than OB trying to get Mallet into the starting lineup.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I started it off sideways when I made a comment that was not as coherent to his point as I intended it to be. That's what a pot of coffee can do to a man.
If it turns into a 6th, Mallet took over 40% of the snaps in 2014... that's worth a 6th.
Matt Cassel looked like a franchise QB in this system. He looked like crap when Charlie Weisz left KC & ever since.