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Rumor: VY scores a 6

Paragon Blue said:
Texans | Casserly comments about Young's Wonderlic test
Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:14:44 -0800

Houston Texans general manager Charley Casserly said at the NFL Combine Sunday, Feb. 26, he had heard about Texas QB Vince Young's score on the Wonderlic test. He also said he heard from a good source that the test results were inaccurate. "Yes, I have been told it was inaccurate, by a source good enough for me to stand up here and quote it. Otherwise I wouldn't get up here and just say it," said Casserly. He was asked how the test would impact the Texans opinion of Young and he replied, "Well, I can only speak for the Houston Texans. I can't speak for 31 other teams. I just said how we evaluate it. It doesn't make any difference what the test score is to us. We're going to go through the same evaluation. I could point to players that have high test scores but couldn't necessarily learn football. So you go through that process, and then we'll evaluate that player's ability to learn our system at the end of it."
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Go get 'em Charley, you da man!

Signed,

Tony Hollings
Tony Boselli
Jason Babin
Todd Wade
Gary Walker
Morlon Greenwood
Dave Ragone
Keanu Reeves
Phillip Buchanon
Mrs. Casserly
 
aj. said:
The imagery that comes to me involves flying insects around a bug zapper, lemmings, cliffs, a Three Stooges marathon, South Park, and the marching band in the final scene of Animal House.
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My image is always a monkey fornicating a football. That one will haunt you. I actually saw it acted out with a jet ski one time--still gives me shivers.
 
So who is calling for a recount? Do the players have to punch holes in a scantron. There might be some hanging chads involved. The fate of the nation could hang in the balance of this test score.
 
infantrycak said:
My image is always a monkey fornicating a football. That one will haunt you. I actually saw it acted out with a jet ski one time--still gives me shivers.
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ok .... I may need a lobotomy now ....
 
chuckm said:
ok .... I may need a lobotomy now ....
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The hard part was being across the canal in Galveston and not laughing so loud they could hear. I wore out two pillows and a small dog on that one. Don't ask what happened to the dog.
 
CoastalTexan said:
This is the funniest thing I've seen in a while. All the UT homers lover boy turned out to be well, dumb. If the whole NFL thing doesn't go for him he can't join the Army, you gotta take a test and its most likely harder than the Wunderlic. He can always pull a Cartman on South Park and go to the Special Olympics, he might not have to act as hard to be handicapped as Cartman did though.:stirpot:
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This is the funniest thing I've seen in a while. All the UT haters turned out to be, well, dumb. I tried to warn all of you not to jump on this story until it was confirmed by more reputable sources, but none of you listened.

Maybe you Ags can go to the Special Olympics.
 
Actually, I kinda feel for the Ags... they have gotten pretty close. Supposedly Cedric Griffin and Ramonce Taylor were street thugs before the Rose Bowl who were on the verge of being arrested and suspended for the game. The rumor makes its rounds, they have 1-2 days of fun... then it just doesn't pan out. Now this. The Ags get their day of fun... then, like always, they look like complete fools for jumping the gun and not waiting until reputable sources confirmed the story.

ppppooooooooooooooooorrrrrr aggies
ppppooooooooooooooooorrrrrr aggies
 
I'm neither an aggie or a horn ... I believe the Texans should draft Bush or better yet trade down .... what does that make me?
 
Have we had a situation where a player taking the Wonderlic got a second chance after doing miserably his first time. Does anyone know if any player has even got the opportunity to "retest", let alone if its one of the 2 most high profile jocks in one of the most high profile Drafts in decades.
I dunno.....this whole thing is not passing the "smell test".
 
Sixteen is a bit below average but not enough to shake a stick at. 17 is apparently equal to an IQ of 100, which is average IQ.

Stay tuned.

We're trading out anyway.
 
NCAA | V. Young scores low on Wonderlic test
Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:11:01 -0800

Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports there was word around the NFL Combine that Texas QB Vince Young scored a six on his Wonderlic test and scored another six on his second attempt at the test.



I really, really, really hope the above is false.

And the following is probally a smoke screen or maybe not:

Texans | Casserly comments about Young's Wonderlic test
Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:14:44 -0800

Houston Texans general manager Charley Casserly said at the NFL Combine Sunday, Feb. 26, he had heard about Texas QB Vince Young's score on the Wonderlic test. He also said he heard from a good source that the test results were inaccurate. "Yes, I have been told it was inaccurate, by a source good enough for me to stand up here and quote it. Otherwise I wouldn't get up here and just say it," said Casserly. He was asked how the test would impact the Texans opinion of Young and he replied, "Well, I can only speak for the Houston Texans. I can't speak for 31 other teams. I just said how we evaluate it. It doesn't make any difference what the test score is to us. We're going to go through the same evaluation. I could point to players that have high test scores but couldn't necessarily learn football. So you go through that process, and then we'll evaluate that player's ability to learn our system at the end of it."


As we can all tell by the format, thanks to www.kffl.com for the info.
 
nunusguy said:
Have we had a situation where a player taking the Wonderlic got a second chance after doing miserably his first time. Does anyone know if any player has even got the opportunity to "retest", let alone if its one of the 2 most high profile jocks in one of the most high profile Drafts in decades.
I dunno.....this whole thing is not passing the "smell test".
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The test is being re-scored - his along with everyone in his group. And yes, the test is not just available once. Of course, each testing has a different set of questions. No conspiracy here.

ETA: Teams can take or leave the Wonderlic test. They can choose the weight they give it. They can administer it themselves if they want to. The NFL Combine doesn't own the Wonderlic test. Why on earth does it matter if someone takes it once or 100 times?

Under this logic, I guess if a prospect runs the 40 at the combine, he probably won't be asked to run it again at the school's pro day. Right?
 
Tulip said:
The test is being re-scored - his along with everyone in his group. And yes, the test is not just available once. Of course, each testing has a different set of questions. No conspiracy here.

ETA: Teams can take or leave the Wonderlic test. They can choose the weight they give it. They can administer it themselves if they want to. The NFL Combine doesn't own the Wonderlic test. Why on earth does it matter if someone takes it once or 100 times?

Under this logic, I guess if a prospect runs the 40 at the combine, he probably won't be asked to run it again at the school's pro day. Right?
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When running a 40, its always the same thing, run 40 yards as quickly as you can. Also, its a little more dependant on human error, because the coaches operate the stopwatches. If the test is differant each time, then he is being asked to perform something simmillar, but not the same thing. I would still like all the controversy to be cleared up here, what the hell happened?
 
Nighthawk said:
Sixteen is a bit below average but not enough to shake a stick at. 17 is apparently equal to an IQ of 100, which is average IQ.

Stay tuned.

We're trading out anyway.
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Well that's a pretty definitive statement, given that the Texans really can't control trading out. They are entirely dependent on other teams. And with a strong top of the draft board, our #1 slot isn't going to look that appealing to other teams, IMO.
 
stevo3883 said:
its pretty sad how every aggy jumped on this thread to just bash ut/vince.

grow up
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Maybe a little UT bashing is in order.

From the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education.

"It appears that many of these flagship state universities are admitting black students who are not academically qualified for even the moderately rigorous curricula at these schools. In many cases, these black athletes are admitted solely for the purpose of their participation in intercollegiate athletics. The case is strong that these flagship universities are exploiting blacks for their athletic talents while frequently ignoring their educational needs. "

Read It

How did UT fare in student/athlete graduation rates? :penalty:

Black football players 33 %..
White football players 36 %


Overall student body 70 %

Scroll down to page 5.

There is a plan in the works to penalize these poor performing football factories by reducing scholarships if the graduation rate falls below 50 %. If this rule is passed Texas may never play in another bowl game , much less play for the NC.

And I'm not an Aggie...:)

:coffee:
 
Does that mean we'll return to the days where Ivy League schools were national powerhouses?

I better cop me a Yale jersey.
 
cuppacoffee said:
Maybe a little UT bashing is in order.

From the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education.

"It appears that many of these flagship state universities are admitting black students who are not academically qualified for even the moderately rigorous curricula at these schools. In many cases, these black athletes are admitted solely for the purpose of their participation in intercollegiate athletics. The case is strong that these flagship universities are exploiting blacks for their athletic talents while frequently ignoring their educational needs. "

Read It

How did UT fare in student/athlete graduation rates? :penalty:

Black football players 33 %..
White football players 36 %


Overall student body 70 %

Scroll down to page 5.

There is a plan in the works to penalize these poor performing football factories by reducing scholarships if the graduation rate falls below 50 %. If this rule is passed Texas may never play in another bowl game , much less play for the NC.

And I'm not an Aggie...:)

:coffee:
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I thought UT had one of the highest Grad rates of it's atheletes in the nation?
 
From KFFL:

NCAA | V. Young scores low on Wonderlic test
Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:11:01 -0800

Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports there was word around the NFL Combine that Texas QB Vince Young scored a six on his Wonderlic test and scored another six on his second attempt at the test.
 
edo783 said:
From KFFL:

NCAA | V. Young scores low on Wonderlic test
Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:11:01 -0800

Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports there was word around the NFL Combine that Texas QB Vince Young scored a six on his Wonderlic test and scored another six on his second attempt at the test.
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Good god, could u read the entire thread???? :brickwall
 
gg no re said:
Does that mean we'll return to the days where Ivy League schools were national powerhouses?

I better cop me a Yale jersey.
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The stats I quoted were from a list of schools in this years bowl games. It makes for some interesting reading. Not one Ivy League team in the list.

USC, Penn State, Notre Dame, Texas Tech, TCU, Tulsa, Miami, Northwestern to name a few, all graduate over 50 % of their black/student athletes.

Of the ones I listed Texas Tech is the lowest at 50 %
The highest is Northwestern at a whopping 90 %.

Compare this to UT's 33%.

VY will be OK :money: regardless of his lack of a college education/degree.

What about the rest of the athletes who will not go pro and now must enter the job market, without graduating?

:coffee:
 
edo783 said:
From KFFL:

NCAA | V. Young scores low on Wonderlic test
Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:11:01 -0800

Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports there was word around the NFL Combine that Texas QB Vince Young scored a six on his Wonderlic test and scored another six on his second attempt at the test.
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This has been posted about 4 times so far.

He scored a 16.

Any thing done at a combine or a pro-day is basically to prove to the scouts and the gm's and the coaches and the owners that what they had originally thought is true. What I mean is if, a 19 is the average score and VY got a 16, then that pretty much falls in line where most would place his IQ, just below average. Not that a big of a deal. Now if he were to really score that 6 or get a really high score like a 40 or something, then that'd be reason for alarm. Kinda like 40 times, if we think Bush is a 4.3 guy but can't get a 4.45 or better, than raises a few flags, or if he runs a 4.29 or faster then that raises flags as well.

They're looking for consistancy on their pre-conceived notions.
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
This has been posted about 4 times so far.

He scored a 16.

Any thing done at a combine or a pro-day is basically to prove to the scouts and the gm's and the coaches and the owners that what they had originally thought is true. What I mean is if, a 19 is the average score and VY got a 16, then that pretty much falls in line where most would place his IQ, just below average. Not that a big of a deal. Now if he were to really score that 6 or get a really high score like a 40 or something, then that'd be reason for alarm. Kinda like 40 times, if we think Bush is a 4.3 guy but can't get a 4.45 or better, than raises a few flags, or if he runs a 4.29 or faster then that raises flags as well.

They're looking for consistancy on their pre-conceived notions.
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so you're saying VY's score of below average was what everyone had already thought, gotcha. the test confirmed what we had all thought, he is indeed a moron.
 
Janus3 said:
so you're saying VY's score of below average was what everyone had already thought, gotcha. the test confirmed what we had all thought, he is indeed a moron.
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No, he's saying VY's score is ahead of that of such superstar quarterbacks as Dan Marino, Donovan McNabb and Steve McNair. If those three are morons, I hope the future quarterback of my team can be a moron just like them.
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
This has been posted about 4 times so far.

He scored a 16.

Any thing done at a combine or a pro-day is basically to prove to the scouts and the gm's and the coaches and the owners that what they had originally thought is true. What I mean is if, a 19 is the average score and VY got a 16, then that pretty much falls in line where most would place his IQ, just below average. Not that a big of a deal. Now if he were to really score that 6 or get a really high score like a 40 or something, then that'd be reason for alarm. Kinda like 40 times, if we think Bush is a 4.3 guy but can't get a 4.45 or better, than raises a few flags, or if he runs a 4.29 or faster then that raises flags as well.

They're looking for consistancy on their pre-conceived notions.
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Source's please, cause you and Nighthawk are the only ones Ive seen pimpin' the 16 score. And excuse me if I choose to ignore a pair of large *** VY homers, for the present time, unlesss you can give me a source.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Source's please, cause you and Nighthawk are the only ones Ive seen pimpin' the 16 score. And excuse me if I choose to ignore a pair of large *** VY homers, for the present time, unlesss you can give me a source.
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Is Lance from 610 good enough for you?

Here is what I heard and I will combine the info from both sources into one piece of info:

The person who leaked VY's score was wrong. The test had not been graded at that time. That same person was fired. Apparantly Mack Brown raised holy hell about the entire situation as he was furious that VY's score had been leaked in the first place.

The person who leaked the info had to apologize to Mack Brown and a number of people. I have heard what VY's score is but I must keep it quiet as I was given the info "off the record". The info I have is supposedly rock-solid and will be released publically when the teams get all of the player's Wunderlich scores. I can say that his score is still considered " a concern" for some NFL teams but it should also be noted that the score is higher than Hall of Fame QB Dan Marino scored on his Wunderlich test and higher than Super Bowl QBs Neil O'Donnell and Steve McNair.

Lance
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Source's please, cause you and Nighthawk are the only ones Ive seen pimpin' the 16 score. And excuse me if I choose to ignore a pair of large *** VY homers, for the present time, unlesss you can give me a source.
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I was the one who originally posted the 16 score. John McClain was my source.
 
Ok, it still dosn't sound like he lite it up, but if he did score anything above 13 it shouldn't hurt his draft status.

I still find it odd that very few people are runnign with the score articel in print, unless they are confirming the score of 6.

We shall see, and time will tell and all that stuff
 
Janus3 said:
so you're saying VY's score of below average was what everyone had already thought, gotcha. the test confirmed what we had all thought, he is indeed a moron.
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Somewhere it has been said that a 19 is the avg.

And my definition of a moron isn't someone who is about to be a millionaire as well as the person who has just had the most thrilling performance in NCAA championship Game History as well as a Heisman finalist.

[way, way off topic rant deleted--if you have a complaint, it was infantrycak]
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Ok, it still dosn't sound like he lite it up, but if he did score anything above 13 it shouldn't hurt his draft status.

I still find it odd that very few people are runnign with the score articel in print, unless they are confirming the score of 6.

We shall see, and time will tell and all that stuff
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Apparently there will be a Chronicle combine article tomorrow - so maybe we'll get some answers.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Ok, it still dosn't sound like he lite it up, but if he did score anything above 13 it shouldn't hurt his draft status.

I still find it odd that very few people are runnign with the score articel in print, unless they are confirming the score of 6.

We shall see, and time will tell and all that stuff
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It's not odd at all. All the articles in print now "confirming" the score of 6 are today's newspaper articles... meaning they were put together late last night based on the information available at that time. The 16 score is new information we've just learned in the last few hours... it won't be in print until tomorrow when people start reading (and linking) tomorrow's newspaper articles.
 
First of all, what makes KFFL more credible than PFT.com?

Secondly, I ask all closet aggies to come back out and be proud of their teams instead of hating UT.

Who cares about these tests anyway? As previously posted, Forrest Gump was an All-American and Bobby Boushay led a horrible team to the championship. I doubt Ben Roethlisberger is a genius.
 
mexican_texan said:
First of all, what makes KFFL more credible than PFT.com?

Secondly, I ask all closet aggies to come back out and be proud of their teams instead of hating UT.

Who cares about these tests anyway? As previously posted, Forrest Gump was an All-American and Bobby Boushay led a horrible team to the championship. I doubt Ben Roethlisberger is a genius.
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KFFL does not write its own news, they just act as a relay for reportd form legitamite news sources. As for PFT, I always take whatever they say with a grain or 4 of salt.
 
hmmm so if in fact vince got a 16 and dan marino and randall cuningham scored less those that mean vince is going to be better than them i think not i just think its stupid that some posters would bring this up i mean the kid showed he can play in college personally im not pro-vince im just
pro-someone else at QB.
 
mexican_texan said:
including PFT
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True, but PFT is not the only place reporting the 6 score, also PFT is sometimes right and sometimes out in front of everybody else, and sometimes they are not. So are Lnce, and the moron John McClain...so what is the point of this discussion?

DAMN! There is some bad grammar there, I blame it on 14 hours of work and a lack of beer lately.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
True, but PFT is not the only place reporting the 6 score, also PFT is sometimes right and sometimes out in front of everybody else, and sometimes they are not. So are Lnce, and the moron John McClain...so what is the point of this discussion?
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Aggies are dissing longhorns and anything else they can misspel
 
Alot of people need to wake up and figure out that alot of people on this board are neither Horns fans or Aggie fans; also some people ned to get it into their heads that dissing VY does NOT make somebody anti-UT or pro-A&M. To think otherwise is huge generalization and bordering on pure ignorance. People are more complex then this; and if you cannot refrain from shoe-horning people inot groups to fit your narrow scope of reality you best find somebody who can teach you this simple fact. And if you fail there, you truly have my pity.

PS: This is not addressed at one single person, more of the board in general. Those who are guilty of the above, quite frankly, need to grow up. The rest of you make this a truly great place to discuss football, and a bunch of other random stuff.

<disengaging rant mode.

What just happened?
 
People sure have gotten their panties in a wod over this rumor. If it's fact or fiction, how people have treated this is absolutely ludicrous. Some of you say that he got better than a 6 based on what, a magic lamp? We all know what John McClain is going to say after his past month's articles. If he did get a 6, then what's my college diploma mean when I graduate. I hope that he did get around a 19, the average, because if he didn't, then what does that mean for college education. All it does is prove that some college athletes get free rides their whole life, and that's just sad. Unless this test is proven wrong, I will have lost all respect for VY as a person, but not as an athlete. :twocents:
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Alot of people need to wake up and figure out that alot of people on this board are neither Horns fans or Aggie fans; also some people ned to get it into their heads that dissing VY does NOT make somebody anti-UT or pro-A&M. To think otherwise is huge generalization and bordering on pure ignorance. People are more complex then this; and if you cannot refrain from shoe-horning people inot groups to fit your narrow scope of reality you best find somebody who can teach you this simple fact. And if you fail there, you truly have my pity.

PS: This is not addressed at one single person, more of the board in general. Those who are guilty of the above, quite frankly, need to grow up. The rest of you make this a truly great place to discuss football, and a bunch of other random stuff.

<disengaging rant mode.

What just happened?
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Good comment but i'd like to add a little more to the subject. Ignorance is also dissing a person before knowing the complete facts. And BTW, the name calling is quite juvenile.
 
mexican_texan said:
Aggies are dissing longhorns and anything else they can misspel
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Seriously folks--in a thread about test taking, it is time to check the spelling.

Is there anything more ironic than misspelling misspell?--of course there is but c'mon y'all. Wait, shouldn't that be cmo'n yal'l?
 
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