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Rumor: VY scores a 6
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Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Vinny said:
Point taken, I was to young to remeber Moon's first years in Houston and living over seas when McNair was drafted. AS for the Philly fans booing McNabbb; who the hell havn't teh Philly fans boo'd. They would probally boo Jesus.
But also that is all in the past, now you don't hear that kinda of stuff aboutthose guys now. McNair and McNabb are both considered top flight QBs (well Steve was in his prime); and the biggest knock I hear about Moon come from his personal life. I didin't remeber a whole lot of black QB stuff with Byron.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
texan279 said:
I'm going off of what John Clayton said on ESPN, Mike and Mike this morning. Golic said he thought overall his stock dropped because of his release, etc and Clayton said overall, talking to NFL scouts he only established himself as the 3rd best QB. I am sure the guy is a good guy, I'm just reporting what I heard.
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
Vinny said:
It is interesting that much the same could be said of some of Carr's opponents, or even Reggie Bush's draft opponents (saw a piece not long back about how he had his area code under his eyes, and how clearly that showed his gang affiliations which the poster quickly correlated with Bush being of bad character ... wtf.)
Also interesting how the pro-Vince camp only speaks out against the unfair bias against Vince, but you hear nary a peep from those same posters about "pretty boy" or "church guy" comments directed against Carr.
Lol can't we all just get along? Seriously, for all of the drivel that we have to wade through, I enjoy the MB, I have learned new things here and there are a solid contingent of posters that have worthwhile things to say, good discussion to be had. I would never call it "hatred," I think that is simply the wrong word for it, but it is the blind antagonism that always makes you wonder.
chuckm said:
Really good points.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Vinny said:
Actually this is correct! This is from my drive in this morning. Clayton said he had talked to many and the guy didn't "Wow" them on Sunday were his exact words. He said he threw to the left sideline well and showed his arm but overall he is the third guy out there. Golic, who watched him said his release is off and that he thought he actually dropped.
The Dude Abides
Veteran
Mike Golic - NFL QB coach. If anyone should be critiquing a quarterback's throw, it should not be Mike Golic
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
The Dude Abides said:
Completely agree. I do trust the Professor Clayton compared to most NFL reporters though.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
The Dude Abides said:
Golic was just mad cause he heard that Cutler can eat more donuts then he could.
Forgive me if this has already been posted elsewhere.
Vince Young, quarterback, Texas
Hell be the story of the next two months. After the Rose Bowl hangover, there was talk that Houston couldnt pass up using the No. 1 overall pick on Young. However, after the combine, theres some wondering if Young will be this years Aaron Rodgers and sweat Saturday away as the picks fly by?
At the center of the wondering is a disputed Wonderlic intelligence test score Young took. There were several reports that said he scored a stunningly low 6 out of 50. Then there are reports that it was graded incorrectly and he took it again and scored a 16. But nothings official.
But there are now new questions about Youngs ability to think quickly. A 16 is a poor score for a quarterback and that is a position where the Wonderlic is extremely important. No matter how wonderful of a runner and a leader Young could be, if he cant read a defense, he could be in trouble in the NFL.
Theres already questions about his throwing mechanics and lack of experience in a non-shotgun offense. Now there are more questions. After being bypassed by Cutler, Young may now have to hope Detroit picks him at No. 9.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11598441/
Vince Young, quarterback, Texas
Hell be the story of the next two months. After the Rose Bowl hangover, there was talk that Houston couldnt pass up using the No. 1 overall pick on Young. However, after the combine, theres some wondering if Young will be this years Aaron Rodgers and sweat Saturday away as the picks fly by?
At the center of the wondering is a disputed Wonderlic intelligence test score Young took. There were several reports that said he scored a stunningly low 6 out of 50. Then there are reports that it was graded incorrectly and he took it again and scored a 16. But nothings official.
But there are now new questions about Youngs ability to think quickly. A 16 is a poor score for a quarterback and that is a position where the Wonderlic is extremely important. No matter how wonderful of a runner and a leader Young could be, if he cant read a defense, he could be in trouble in the NFL.
Theres already questions about his throwing mechanics and lack of experience in a non-shotgun offense. Now there are more questions. After being bypassed by Cutler, Young may now have to hope Detroit picks him at No. 9.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11598441/
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
A lot of people called Bradshaw dumb too. Guess it was because he was black..wait, what..he ain't black?
Guess it was because at the time he entered the league he did in fact come across as dumb, regardless of his color. I do believe it was found out later that he had a medical problem.
Youngs' intelligence can be questioned without him or his fans playing the race card. Hell...I'm white and a lot of people on this board probably question my intelligence.
I only wish I was dumb enough to to be offered a multi-million dollar bonus.
I had season ticket to the Oilers at the time Moon played. I heard fans boo him, I heard fans cheer him. I never once heard the N word used to describe Moon at any of the games, or in private conversations for that matter.
I guess some of you must hang aroung with a lot of bigots. Maybe you should examine your list of friends....
Guess it was because at the time he entered the league he did in fact come across as dumb, regardless of his color. I do believe it was found out later that he had a medical problem.
Youngs' intelligence can be questioned without him or his fans playing the race card. Hell...I'm white and a lot of people on this board probably question my intelligence.
I only wish I was dumb enough to to be offered a multi-million dollar bonus.
I had season ticket to the Oilers at the time Moon played. I heard fans boo him, I heard fans cheer him. I never once heard the N word used to describe Moon at any of the games, or in private conversations for that matter.
I guess some of you must hang aroung with a lot of bigots. Maybe you should examine your list of friends....
wrestler4life
Waterboy
My only take on the matter is that Young is best when you dont try to coach him up too much. What NFL team is going to be able to let their offense just hang on someone who is "not coached up too much" and left to do what they want.
For a guy that scored a 16 on the test, this would not fly on any of the complex NFL offenses.
He is a great athlete, one of the best ever to come out of the draft, but I amreally questioning his ability to run a pro offense.
For a guy that scored a 16 on the test, this would not fly on any of the complex NFL offenses.
He is a great athlete, one of the best ever to come out of the draft, but I amreally questioning his ability to run a pro offense.
wrestler4life said:
That's not a bad thing. You don't "coach him up", because he doesn't need to be "coached up". Don't take that as thinking he's uncoachable... it's just really simple, his athleticism makes you dedicate at least one player to spying him. Secondly, as Jerry Gray said, you can't take narrow angles with your DEs, because they won'tbe able to contain.
I've read Ohio St. did the best job of making him a little frustrated and flummoxed just by putting up a picket fence with the D-line and letting the linebackers make plays. Some think Young's biggest task will be settling into the pocket and just taking his time when faced with similar approaches in the NFL. Well, that was at Ohio St., early in the season, facing one of the best linebacking corps in recent memory and a stellar defense, and he seemed to do pretty well (270 passing, 2td/2int, and 76 yards rushing). He cut through that D like butter in the first quarter, OSU adjusted and gave him some trouble in the 2nd and 3rd. By the time the 4th quarter rolled around, he had adjusted and picked that D apart on the last drive.
Sure, in the NFL there will be all types of exotic coverages and blitzes he will face, he'll need to adjust quickly... but things could still be easy for him at the next level, as his running ability and vision will definitely force LBs and DEs to be more conservative. If he can beat LBs in the NFL, then the safeties will feel tons of pressure by his athleticism, too. That's why you don't have to "coach him up". His size and speed put pressure on the defense and open up some nice passing lanes. You keep it simple, don't mess with something that works naturally.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Vinny said:
Exactly. I thought I was gonna puke given some of the ugliness I heard on the Rome show for a test result that was not real.
Anyhow, I really wish VY would have had an experienced agent to deal with this stuff. Not just the test prep, because I've always thought the biggest part of the draft is the spin.
It's all gossip and posturing and positioning. Leaking good stuff about your client. And maybe trashing the other guy. And if you don't get your message out, the other guys and the media will make stuff up.
So Major Adams could say all he wants about how easy it is to be an agent with the rookie contracts fairly set in stone, but given how high profile VY is, Adams way out of his league. Not a cool family counselor to take a job, he really was illequiped to do. An interesting alternative history to consider would have been thinking of how this draft process would have gone had VY gone with a more experienced agency group, that doesn't have to invent the wheel preparing VY for the draft process.
Whether or not you would like VY to be picked by the Texans, it really is ugly to see people take as much pleasure as they have about this non-story story.
This thread is illin.
Tha_Tinman
Waterboy
LoneStarState said:
I think it's been confirmed that Vince scored a 6 on the test. I don't know about the 16 on the re-test thing. But I say whoop ti doo!
Its all for show and popcorn anyway. Who cares what he scores on some IQ test ...who cares what he runs in the 40 ...who cares if he can hit a rooster in the butt from 40 yards.
Think about it ...in how many discussions does Dan Marino's combine results come up in? Or Marshall Faulk? Anybody ever talk about what Barry Sanders did at the combine? Or even our beloved Michael Vick?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Noone gives a hoot really. I mean its fun for about a week or so. The stuff that REALLY matters are the physicals ...other than that ...its just a freak show ...fodder for the announcer's between play banter.
The bottom line is WHEREVER Vince ends up ...he is going to shine ...hopefully it will be right here in Houston.
I'm beginning to lose hope though ...and at this point ...I doubt if we even get Bush ...unless either of them fall to the 4th pick. I really think they are going to take that Jets trade for Abraham and the 4th pick.
This is driving me wacky ...you've got to admit though ...there hasn't been this much speculation (fun) for an NFL draft in decades! People are selling a LOT of newspapers on this stuff!
I think people are totally missing the point: VY scoring a 6 on the Wonderlic test has more to do with the UT way of teaching than anything else 
*ducks incoming flying tomato from the UT grads*
All kidding aside, I think this VY bashing (especially now with people using his Wonderlic test as new ammo) has undeservedly gotten meaner, and frankly is wearing thin. I won't add anything more other than that. Enough has been said on the subject and I won't pile on.
At this point, this pro-Bush guy (Kubiakspeak) is hoping VY will come in for whichever team takes him and immdeately starts winning with him from day one a la Rothlisberger. This pro-Bush guy knows that VY is a great player destined to do great things(like Bush) and hopes he has a long career, unlike Marcus Vick. (as an aside, does anyone else notice Kubiak's tendency to address himself in the third person 'this guy' ???)
*ducks incoming flying tomato from the UT grads*
All kidding aside, I think this VY bashing (especially now with people using his Wonderlic test as new ammo) has undeservedly gotten meaner, and frankly is wearing thin. I won't add anything more other than that. Enough has been said on the subject and I won't pile on.
At this point, this pro-Bush guy (Kubiakspeak) is hoping VY will come in for whichever team takes him and immdeately starts winning with him from day one a la Rothlisberger. This pro-Bush guy knows that VY is a great player destined to do great things(like Bush) and hopes he has a long career, unlike Marcus Vick. (as an aside, does anyone else notice Kubiak's tendency to address himself in the third person 'this guy' ???)
gwallaia said:
uuuuuhhhh...........Yeah.. OK.....
There are two things you can do to slow things down for your QB.... You can put him in the shotgun..... it will take defenders longer to get to him. This is what Vince has played in primarily over the last season. He has shown some success in "Pro_Style" under center offenses.... just not last year. Or, you can move the pocket.... something done in the NFL often, with mobile QBs. Something Kubiak has done plenty of in Denver..... mixing the shotgun in there for the same reason, I suppose.
I honestly don't see what the problem is.
We know Vince can read a defense... maybe not as fast as some, but there are ways around that.
another option would be to go to a 3 step, sometimes a 1 step drop.
CarrIsFine
Noob
Young is getting slammed by the media. It is obvious he scored very low on the first test, regardless of whether or not it was a 6. I'll bet he was told to skip the harder questions on the second one and at least get the easy ones right.
I heard one of the association questions was: Kryptonite is to Superman as Wonderlic is to........................VY.
I heard one of the association questions was: Kryptonite is to Superman as Wonderlic is to........................VY.
Porky said:
Great point. I think the double standards that Universities use for athletes compared to your average every day student sucks. To get into UT as a freshman, you must be ranked very high in your HS class, have a killer SAT score and a very high GPA. To transfer into UT from Junior College, probably requires at least a 3.0 or higher, however if you can catch or throw a football and run the 40 in 4.4 or less, you are in, and grades don't count. I consider that to be very wrong!
Anyone know if VY was in the top 10% at Madison?
Napa Auto Parts
Veteran
may be we can bring in akili smith if i remember correctly he scored a 36 or was it a 35 one of those for sure but who cares about what they can do on the field lets judge everything on the WonDerLic
Boxscore said:
I stand to be corrected if my thinking is off base, but aren't the top athletes recruited based on the money they generate for the school? As great as the requirements are for other students entering the universities such as UT, don't the gate receipts provide many of the buildings used to educate the killer SAT scorers and very high GPAs?
I don't have any problem with universities keeping the same standards for athletes as their other students, but also realize that to do so, perhaps the not so elite university will have a huge advantage by drawing the crowds and and a heck of a lot of money. Are the top universities willing to give up their cash cow in keeping with the general standards of admission? If so, how much would the tuition, use fees and housing costs rise for the students?
As far as VY's ranking at Madison, I believe that Mack Brown was thinking more about revenue than the NHS.
chuckm
Veteran
Napa Auto Parts said:may be we can bring in akili smith if i remember correctly he scored a 36 or was it a 35 one of those for sure but who cares about what they can do on the field lets judge everything on the WonDerLic
here's a link to the story surrounding Smith's test
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/1999/nfldraft/news/1999/04/16/king_10things/
McClain's column today has an indirection mention of Young's lack of preparedness for last weekend ..... he also takes a veiled shot at Bush .... enjoy (or not) ...
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3701722.html
Napa Auto Parts
Veteran
"Those scouts point out that when the Rose Bowl was on the line in the fourth quarter, coach Pete Carroll had White in the game and Bush on the bench."
He must really want vince young i dont really care who our QB as long as its not david carr im not like every other VY lover.
He must really want vince young i dont really care who our QB as long as its not david carr im not like every other VY lover.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Lance Zerlein just said he received an e-mail from a league source confirming the 2nd Vince Young Wonderlic score was a 15.
Napa Auto Parts said:
Yeah, and unlike those other VY lovers, I actually wanted to see David Carr start next season.... the First 8 games no questions asked..... but I'd like to see Vince(most of all), or Jay Cutler, or Omar Jacobs, and even possibly Reggie Mcneal waiting to start the last 8 games if Carr doesn't win at least 4 out of those first 8......
two years......... we'll be looking for a quarterback, and loosing alot of games till then.Coach C. said:
S
SESupergenius
Guest
I really wouldn't put too much in him scoring a 16 on the wonderlic considering he really wasn't going to participate in the combine to begin with. However, that still wouldn't excuse him for being a dummy in taking the test to begin with when he wasn't prepared.
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
SESupergenius said:
That is my issue with the whole fiasco. Someone wrote about it on Page 2 on ESPN not long back, and I completely agree: in short, it isn't that Vince scored a 6 or a 16, it isn't that I could give a chimp a broken pencil and he could do better, it's the fact that Vince or his agent should well have known better than to send the guy (apparently completely unprepared) into a standardized test that he could have spent, oh I don't know? 15 minutes? studying for.
You go to the combine to impress - or if you are going to abstain from most of the drills, as most of the big boys do - to 'not lose stock.' Vince notching a sub-retarded score did nothing to help him 'not lose stock.' While I think these predictions of falling to the mid or even out of first round are classic overcompensation, I think it is accurate to say that this is one of a series of events that are causing NFL front offices to seriously question the guy. It is that kind of decision making that is disturbing, and while it is not some catch-all indicator for NFL success or off-field character/presence, it is just bad business, plain and simple, and it is putting Vince Young and all of his upside on an increasingly shorter leash.
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
tulexan said:
Lol ... pretty much. I was just working with one of the rumors and trying to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. I mean, maybe he has some kind of learning disability ... fine, I would not make fun of the guy for it ... but come on, that test was easy. I scored 10 out of 10 in just over a minute on a sample I found online on the Wonderlich (sp) site.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Bears General Manager Jerry Angelo thinks Young is the bpa. Making fun of people for a rumored test score is pretty High Schoolish...funny stuff guys, keep it up.
http://chicagobears.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=14546
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
Vinny said:
BPA, in my thought, depends on if you are talking about now or the future. I think Vince could possibly be BPA in terms of upside, but as far as right now, my answer is hell no. He is not the most NFL-ready quarterback, let alone player. My
, but we've been over this before.
jerek said:BPA, in my thought, depends on if you are talking about now or the future. I think Vince could possibly be BPA in terms of upside, but as far as right now, my answer is hell no. He is not the most NFL-ready quarterback, let alone player. My
AT QB, I've never liked the idea of starting rookies. I know it's worked out well, for some. Aikman, Manning(Peyton), etc... but it hasn't for many(including David Carr. @ the time, I thought it was cool, but looking back I wish we had started Banks.... not because I think Banks would have done any better, but then we'd have a beat up old man, and a fresh Carr, hopefully without the bad habits he's picked up). So, this NFL ready argument doesn't hold much water with me.
Granted, if I were a HC, I'd let Matt compete for the starting job, but there's no way I'd let him start week 1...... most likely week 5 or 6, where I wouldn't start Vince, unless we are past week 8, and the seasons a wash.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
thunderkyss said:
OT: thunderkyss....Kinda wondering about something?
When the PAISD decided to combine the Jackets and Bees' I expected PA to compete for the State Championship regularly.
What happened?
Whats wrong with the PA Titans?
Sorry QBs' or less than stellar coaching?
Team just not good enough?
Hope my point isn't too obvious here.
Of course it was a long time between winning seasons for my Shamrocks too.(class of 58 ). Last time the 'Rocks' played for state we were defeated by............("from the bbhs web site")
"In the State Finals, the Shamrocks-fashioned comeback effort was not enough though, as the Houston St. Pious Panthers (led by Gary Kubiak) downed the 'Rocks 21-13." ...
I guess.What this has to do with VY scoring a 6....I haven't a clue.
cuppacoffee said:
Don't worry, your point isn't too obvious. If we're saying build a team around Carr with some good coaching, and we'll get to the superbowl, I have to disagree with you. Our line looked bad, was bad...... our recievers dropped balls, and we only picked up 1800 yards rushing the ball, 300 of which came from David Carr. I'm saying if you replace Carr with Young, a lot of those busted plays would have been positive yardage...... I'll get slammed, but I think Harrington would've done a better job here. He's a gammer, and doesn't give up on plays. He's a playmaker.
We wouldn't have had 68 sacks, even if 48 of those are attributed to the Offensive line. Jake's line would have been credited with more sacks had Jake not been able to get out of the pocket, and do something with the ball.
We've got playmaker's on offense. I'd like to fix our O-line, with FA picks. I don't think we are going to get what I want, but it looks like Kubiak has a similar plan. We'll get some Offensive Line help in the draft, but I don't think he'll be looking to use the #1 overall on the line. With David's arm, AJs speed, and DDs consistency, we'll have enough to be formidible..... of course we have to give him time. Coming from Denver, I think Kubes has some plans for giving Carr more time. So we'll be competitive next year on offense. If I were Kubes, I'd go for Mario..... Then the best tightend/LB available with our next two picks.
But if we get a JohnAbraham in FA, and he's inclined to use the #1 on an outstanding Talent, I'd pick Vince.
Or maybe take D'Brick, and move Pitts to RG/RT...
Oh Yeah, 'bout dem Memorial Titans...... man things have been upside down over here since the merger. the school board is divided, and there's a power struggle going on. We've got talent, and we got the coach we wanted. well, a lot of us wanted. But our program overall is hurting us...
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
thunderkyss said:
Well that makes perfect sense. I mean Harrington only had a lower QB rating, completion % and TD/INT ratio where he was than Carr last year--oh and was working for an offensive minded coach. Of course coming to Houston would have been a huge boost to his production.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
thunderkyss said:
Jammal.......not thats a talent that doesn't come around too often.
Think he will be up there in the Bush Peterson class when all is said and done?
infantrycak said:
I think Joey is better outside the pocket, than Carr is. I think Joey, and Carr's careers would have looked totally different, had their fortunes in the 2002 draft would have been different. But we'll never know. Looking back, at stats after the fact, doesn't really address the argument. Let's look at their playing, and their stats before the draft. Let's see what they had to deal with in their first four years....... the problems Joey had in Detroit, is their anything about Carr, that would have allowed him to do better in Detroit?? I don't know. Maybe.
Is there anything about Joer, that would've benefitted a Texans QB in that time?? I think so.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
cuppacoffee said:
Do you mean Jamaal Charles of UT or someone else?
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Kaiser Toro said:
Yes, Jamaal Charles, I missed the typo using the word not instead of now in speaking of his talent.
Was discussing the Port Arthur Titans with Thunderkyss who, like Jammal, is from P.A.
Kid has all the makings of a great running back, IMHO of course.
Now don't ask me how I got this into a VY wonderlic thread..
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
cuppacoffee said:Yes, Jamaal Charles, I missed the typo using the word not instead of now in speaking of his talent.
Was discussing the Port Arthur Titans with Thunderkyss who, like Jammal, is from P.A.
Kid has all the makings of a great running back, IMHO of course.
Now don't ask me how I got this into a VY wonderlic thread..
I wasn't trying to do a gotcha, just getting it confrmed before I answer. I love the kid, best back I have seen in a while with that style of running. He has great feet, very patient, vision and terrific balance. And yeah he has speed, but it is that patience I love especially as a true freshman. If the kid can stay healthy he will be a top 5 pick. He reminds me of, only for stylistic comparisions, a hybrid of Priest Holmes and LT.
I only watched two of his games at Memorial P.A. we all thought he was great to watch, and figured he'd do pretty good in college.
We were surprised that UT was interested....
we got together to watch his first game, but didn't expect to see much of him. Through various sorces, he was relaying to us, that Mack Brown wasn't going to let him see much time in 2005. After watching his first game, we had a feeling Mack was going to have to re-think that. So we ended up watching all the UT games together. And it was a really really sweet season.
I was able to see Vince Young, who impressed me in the 2004 RoseBowl. But I didn't expect much different in the 2005 season...... run..... draw........ run...... easy pass across the middle.
Another sweet surprise..... Vince went off. Every other week, they made a point to mention he worked the offseason with McNair.... something he's done for a while. That impressed me. not working with McNair, but working on his game..... in his offseason.
Every now and again, they talked about his challenge to his team.... I was impressed once again..... Not the challenge, but the fact that he was already doing everything the coaches expected of him, but still he was going to work on his game, and he invited his teammates to join in.
Just watching him play. it was hard not to notice, that when protection broke down, and it did on a regular basis, Vince would keep his eyes downfield. He moved around the pocket well, till it was time to get out..... still looking downfield, he'd often find the open reciever for the big play(nobody can shut down a reciever for 10-15 seconds.... nobody, no matter the talent disparity). His poise, vision, and field awareness was uncanny.
I confess. I haven't watched any Matt Lienart games, or Reggie Bush games. Well, I watched the Rosebowl, and some other forgetable USC game. So I haven't given them the same consideration as I've afforde Vince. So you wn't find me bad mouthing Matt, or Bush(unless you call comparisons to Carr and Faulk/Westbrook bad mouthing)
I and many others believe QB is a big questionmark on our offense. As such it would make sense to take a QB in the draft, if there is that incredible talent available. If Lienart is that good a prospect........ equal to Vince in upside potential, then yeah you take Matt.
But since we've extended Carr's contract, and committed to giving Carr every opportunity to succeed, it would be detremental to Carr, to bring Matt in with the #1 overall. But Vince, who is a project..... a project, I think is worthy of the #1 pick)..... Now, I'm not an NFL scout..... I don't even know who the top ten prospects are. I have no NLF insiders feeding me information. I haven't studied McNair/Kubiak/Sherman to have a real understanding of what they want to accomplish in the draft... (it'd been nice, if they had published a report card of our team).
But I can see Vince succeding in Denver... I can see Sherman drawing all kinds of comparisons to Favre.
I can see Vince in Houston, real easy.
but my tell-tell sign, was Jonathan Wells. If we had retained him on our team, I figured we'd be going after Vince. If we let him go...... More than likely that means Bush.......... I really like DD. and tought he could be our Emmit.... but I don't see that happening if Reggie does in fact come to Houston. They might share the backfield for a year, but I think DD should be a featured back somewhere in this league.
We were surprised that UT was interested....
we got together to watch his first game, but didn't expect to see much of him. Through various sorces, he was relaying to us, that Mack Brown wasn't going to let him see much time in 2005. After watching his first game, we had a feeling Mack was going to have to re-think that. So we ended up watching all the UT games together. And it was a really really sweet season.
I was able to see Vince Young, who impressed me in the 2004 RoseBowl. But I didn't expect much different in the 2005 season...... run..... draw........ run...... easy pass across the middle.
Another sweet surprise..... Vince went off. Every other week, they made a point to mention he worked the offseason with McNair.... something he's done for a while. That impressed me. not working with McNair, but working on his game..... in his offseason.
Every now and again, they talked about his challenge to his team.... I was impressed once again..... Not the challenge, but the fact that he was already doing everything the coaches expected of him, but still he was going to work on his game, and he invited his teammates to join in.
Just watching him play. it was hard not to notice, that when protection broke down, and it did on a regular basis, Vince would keep his eyes downfield. He moved around the pocket well, till it was time to get out..... still looking downfield, he'd often find the open reciever for the big play(nobody can shut down a reciever for 10-15 seconds.... nobody, no matter the talent disparity). His poise, vision, and field awareness was uncanny.
I confess. I haven't watched any Matt Lienart games, or Reggie Bush games. Well, I watched the Rosebowl, and some other forgetable USC game. So I haven't given them the same consideration as I've afforde Vince. So you wn't find me bad mouthing Matt, or Bush(unless you call comparisons to Carr and Faulk/Westbrook bad mouthing)
I and many others believe QB is a big questionmark on our offense. As such it would make sense to take a QB in the draft, if there is that incredible talent available. If Lienart is that good a prospect........ equal to Vince in upside potential, then yeah you take Matt.
But since we've extended Carr's contract, and committed to giving Carr every opportunity to succeed, it would be detremental to Carr, to bring Matt in with the #1 overall. But Vince, who is a project..... a project, I think is worthy of the #1 pick)..... Now, I'm not an NFL scout..... I don't even know who the top ten prospects are. I have no NLF insiders feeding me information. I haven't studied McNair/Kubiak/Sherman to have a real understanding of what they want to accomplish in the draft... (it'd been nice, if they had published a report card of our team).
But I can see Vince succeding in Denver... I can see Sherman drawing all kinds of comparisons to Favre.
I can see Vince in Houston, real easy.
but my tell-tell sign, was Jonathan Wells. If we had retained him on our team, I figured we'd be going after Vince. If we let him go...... More than likely that means Bush.......... I really like DD. and tought he could be our Emmit.... but I don't see that happening if Reggie does in fact come to Houston. They might share the backfield for a year, but I think DD should be a featured back somewhere in this league.