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Reggie Bush gets first TD

kastofsna said:
this is a big "duh"
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still no duh there, i did not say that mario should get more coverage I just saying that ESPN would show that play about a thousand times, and even our media would play that more then what they did for mario.

I don't see how you took that, and said that I wanted mario to get more coverage. I was just saying that Reggie was going to be all over the sports station when mario was not. I think that both players should be spoken of when they do something big. so still no duh.
 
man that was a huge punt returns for the saints. cant believe this team is a pretty good 4-1 team this yr. compared to that mess of a team we saw last yr. bush hasnt put up the monster numbers i thought he would yet but he has been pretty solid and obviously has made a big impact on that team, along with brees coming in the saints look really good
 
Let it go guys. When we draft Adrian Peterson next year, the Bush fans will be too embarrassed to come in here & brag about his little accomplishments.

While it's true that he scored a game winning TD today, quite frankly, I don't give a damn. We didn't need a RB at the time. Thus, our front office didn't allow ESPN to lead them by the nose to select a player that was/is not NFL ready. And, as it turns out, wasn't even the best RB available in the draft.

Mario is our guy & it's a thrill watching him grow into the potential stud player that most of us believe he'll eventually be. Don't get frustrated about Bush getting all the air time on ESPN. Mario's time will come, & ESPN will hype him even moreso & try to erase all the memories of them having fully endorsed the RB bandwagon. Then we'll be able to change their acronym from the ESPN to the WUCN (Watch Us Crawfish Network).
 
Hottoddie said:
Let it go guys. When we draft Adrian Peterson next year, the Bush fans will be too embarrassed to come in here & brag about his little accomplishments.
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Does that mean that the Texans are expected to lose the rest of their games? That isn't too exciting to a season ticket holder.
 
LMBH said:
Does that mean that the Texans are expected to lose the rest of their games? That isn't too exciting to a season ticket holder.
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I was thinking the same thing. I would be hoping for more coming off of a win. I think the good news is that there should be several good, big running backs coming out next year (you guys claim to want a big, strong, one cut runner for your system). I think Peterson would fit that bill for sure, but also Michael Bush would be someone to look at if Peterson is gone (not to mention all the hype when you pick a RB named Bush haha).

Too bad McFadden from Arkansas is just a Sophmore. That guy is an absolute beast. That big with sub-4.4 speed. Monster.
 
LMBH said:
Does that mean that the Texans are expected to lose the rest of their games? That isn't too exciting to a season ticket holder.
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You have heard of trades, right? At the moment Peterson is projected to go in the 3-5 pick range. With Quinn & CJ as solid locks (at the moment) to be the first 2 picks, it'll just depend upon what the next teams are looking to get. Trading for a 3-5 pick will be a whole lot easier, & more affordable, than trading for one of the top 2 picks. Besides, unless we truely start getting our act together, we might not end up with more than 4-5 wins. That should put us in the top 10 picks.

On a more positive note, I'm still holding out for 9 W's this year. :redtowel: :homer:
 
jlam said:
I was thinking the same thing. I would be hoping for more coming off of a win. I think the good news is that there should be several good, big running backs coming out next year (you guys claim to want a big, strong, one cut runner for your system). I think Peterson would fit that bill for sure, but also Michael Bush would be someone to look at if Peterson is gone (not to mention all the hype when you pick a RB named Bush haha).

Too bad McFadden from Arkansas is just a Sophmore. That guy is an absolute beast. That big with sub-4.4 speed. Monster.
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marshawn lynch. marshawn lynch. marshawn lynch.
 
And too bad you guys had a bye this week. The rookies are having a field day.

Bush, N.O.: been covered

Leinart, Cards: 2 TD's so far

Young, Tenn: So-so showing against the Colts as a QB, but 1 TD rushing and kept them close

Jones-Drew, Jags: 2 TD's so far

Gradkowski, Bucs: looked really good against us, but we have historically done that for rookie QB's

Jennings, G.B.: 100+ rec. yards and 1 TD. Looks like Farve's go-to guy.

Looks like the only big-name rookie to get not get on the board today was Maroney for the Pats. At this rate Williams might have gotten 4 sacks today.:hmmm:
 
jlam said:
but also Michael Bush would be someone to look at
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This is the guy that I believe Kubiak would go after, but with his injury, I'll be surprised if he comes out this year. He most likely wouldn't be drafted until late in the 1st round, or worse yet, not until one of the later rounds. However, if he heals up & plays one more year like he's been playing, he could easily be a top 5 pick. That's a big difference when it comes to the money.
 
jlam said:
And too bad you guys had a bye this week. The rookies are having a field day.

Bush, N.O.: been covered

Leinart, Cards: 2 TD's so far

Young, Tenn: So-so showing against the Colts as a QB, but 1 TD rushing and kept them close

Jones-Drew, Jags: 2 TD's so far

Gradkowski, Bucs: looked really good against us, but we have historically done that for rookie QB's

Jennings, G.B.: 100+ rec. yards and 1 TD. Looks like Farve's go-to guy.

Looks like the only big-name rookie to get not get on the board today was Maroney for the Pats. At this rate Williams might have gotten 4 sacks today.:hmmm:
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leinart has played better today than kurt warner has in years. he threw a pass FIFTY YARDS into the endzone, RIGHT into bryant johnson's chest, and he dropped it. he's made quick decisions, he's looked off defenders, he's scrambled away from pressure, etc etc. looks like tom brady out there.
 
Hottoddie said:
This is the guy that I believe Kubiak would go after, but with his injury, I'll be surprised if he comes out this year. He most likely wouldn't be drafted until late in the 1st round, or worse yet, not until one of the later rounds. However, if he heals up & plays one more year like he's been playing, he could easily be a top 5 pick. That's a big difference when it comes to the money.
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Yeah, it will be interesting to see if he comes out. But the thing is, if I'm thinking correctly here, he is no more likely to re-injure his broken leg once its healed than he was to break it in the first place. Yes, its a serious injury, but as far as re-habbing and coming back full strength goes, I would think it's one of the "better" injuries to a leg a RB could have.

IMO, it may be possible that he could slip to late first round if he came out due to coaches not seeing him play in so long, but no way he would slip past the second round barring him getting very out of shape and performing poorly at the combines.
 
kastofsna said:
leinart has played better today than kurt warner has in years. he threw a pass FIFTY YARDS into the endzone, RIGHT into bryant johnson's chest, and he dropped it. he's made quick decisions, he's looked off defenders, he's scrambled away from pressure, etc etc. looks like tom brady out there.
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I have to say I was very surprised watching Leinart throw the deep ball today. This was a BIG knock on him coming out of college. So far, it seems like he's thrown several beautiful long balls as well as being accurate on his shorter throws.

I thought D. Green was crazy for pulling the string on Warner so quickly, but I'll eat crow on that one for sure.

(Now that I've said that, watch the guy throw 4 int's in the 2nd half and lose the game :) .)
 
Hottoddie said:
This is the guy that I believe Kubiak would go after, but with his injury, I'll be surprised if he comes out this year. He most likely wouldn't be drafted until late in the 1st round, or worse yet, not until one of the later rounds. However, if he heals up & plays one more year like he's been playing, he could easily be a top 5 pick. That's a big difference when it comes to the money.
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I stand corrected. Bush is a senior this year. I wonder if Kubiak had his sights set on a RB by the name of Bush all along, just not Reggie Bush? :stirpot: I guess one bush is as good as another bush. :D
 
My two cents... huge play for Reggie. No doubt he's a valuable weapon.

Don't need the media making excuses for him... what NFL player is ever 100%.

10 carries for 23 yards... brings him to 3.15 ypc on the year. 11 receptions for 63 yards. 7.5 yards per catch on the year.

420 yards on 87 touches.... just under 5 yards per touch. Not that awesome.

To Reggie's credit, with Deuce being the man, he's found ways to stay involved. Unfortunately, the type of swiss-army knife, Marshall Faulk-lite, Brian Westbrook type role might be his ceiling. He really hasn't impressed as a running back. But they don't need that, they've got a stud RB, two excellent receivers... throw him into the mix and you've got a pretty nasty squad.
 
if we didnt draft bush i dont see us drafting peterson. we still need defense, as i'm sure y'all know and i hope we continue to go after it.
 
nunusguy said:
Remember Willis McGahee coming out after he blew his knee out in college ?
He's now the leading NFL rusher.
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True, but MUCH different injury. I would much rather have a broken leg than a blown out knee as a RB. The risk for re-injury is much, much less.

Point is, the concerns regarding McGahee were legit. Good job by him working hard and coming back.
 
jlam said:
True, but MUCH different injury. I would much rather have a broken leg than a blown out knee as a RB. The risk for re-injury is much, much less.

Point is, the concerns regarding McGahee were legit. Good job by him working hard and coming back.
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Not so sure about that... torn ACL's aren't what they used to be... McGahee, Edgerrin James, Duece McAlister, Jamal Lewis, Priest Holmes, Mike Anderson are some RB's who didn't seem to be more injury prone after the surgery. On the other hand, there are guys like Buckhalter and Scaife who keep doing it over and over. It's often an acute injury that's a freak thing, sometimes it means nothing... you were neither predisposed to the tear nor does it predispose you for additional injuries. The grafted ligament you end up with is stronger than your original ACL oftentimes, issues with tendinitis and cartilage can pop up... but it's really not the career killer it once was. Oftentimes guys come back with stronger muscles, ligaments, better flexibility, and better understanding of biomechanics.

Anybody see Braylon Edwards snap that thing in week 15 or 16 and come back on opening day as arguably the best big play guy in football. I'd worry more about guys with cartilage problems than ligament problems... Dom Davis, Westbrook (tore ACL in college), Curtis Martin.

To your original point, I don't know if breaking your leg makes you any less injury prone than tearing the ACL. I'm not a Dr.... I just play one on the message board... and I stayed at a holiday inn express last night. To me the red flags are general durability (think DeShaun Foster) and cartilage issues... they usually seem to degenerate.
 
I'll give credit to Reggie... not only is he an astounding slot receiver, but he's doing well on special teams as well.

His running game though.... he shouldn't quit his day job, whatever that is.
 
Back to the Bush punt return. It's only a matter of time before ESPN and
others remember the Billy Cannon punt return to beat Ole Miss and secure
the National Championship for LSU (this was another sports era).
They will surely link this play with the famous Cannon return and make it
part of Louisana sports laurel.
BTW, how many times has ESPN shown this play by now ? 10 ? 15 ? > 25 ?
 
Funny, I think I remember everyone discounting Reggie Bush's punt and kick returns saying anyone can do it and they don't matter...


HMMM, seemed to matter today with a game winning PR TD...

NO 4-1
 
gg no re said:
I'll give credit to Reggie... not only is he an astounding slot receiver, but he's doing well on special teams as well.

His running game though.... he shouldn't quit his day job, whatever that is.
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he actually hasn't been good on special teams at all this year.

he is a good slot receiver, i'll give him that.
 
... and what's your point? Is a great punt return guy/3rd down RB worth the #1 overall pick?

I have been saying all along this guy is going to be another Eric Metcalf type player. So far he looks just like him.
 
Ughh, I just heard Pink singing that song...I just threw up a little bit....

The root of the problem is ESPN and the rest of the commentating world is pissed at us for making them look irrevelant when it comes to thier expert opinions. They will force feed Reggie Bush down our throats and keep comparing the two when they shouldnt.

So when you call it Reggie Bush hate, it actually us just refusing to take all the medias one-sided opinion. We are tired of Mario being the middle child of the rookies. What about Demeco? If you want to talk RBs, what about Marouney?

ESPN and the like are so baised it makes me to always "stick up for mario" whenever the Reggie highlight reel comes out. Especially now that he has a TD, when Marios performance was casually overlooked. Also, its just a way to create controversy for more ratings.

Both players are going to be good in this league, but the media is the one that keeps this feud brewing.
 
Yeah, big ups to Reggie, Like i said earlier in this thread, it was only a matter of time before he made a play. Having said that, it wasn't that great just like Mario's sacks weren't that great.

As for the tipped pass, it's already been proven that it was Mario (Football night in America show slow moed & showed it) regardless of what the stat sheet shows.
 
David's Busted Carr said:
Funny, I think I remember everyone discounting Reggie Bush's punt and kick returns saying anyone can do it and they don't matter...


HMMM, seemed to matter today with a game winning PR TD...

NO 4-1
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I'm willing to bet that NO would miss Brees & McCallister more than RB at this point.
 
Is there anyway to move this to the NEW ORLEANS SAINTS forum? And FTR - They dont count when it's not A.) Our KR/PR or B.) our opponents KR/PR.
 
TexansJunkE said:
Couldn't have said it better. Expect alot of these over the season. Did anyone hear what that TOOL Collinsworth said about RB when they highlighted the the Return. "The player that should have been the No.1 pick"
:loser
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Sad thing is as long as the Houston Texans are losing, this is a no win situation.

Imagine what would happen if we picked Bush and he has done what he has done statwise here and the Texans are geting blown out in the games and are still 1-3 meanwhile the Saints are 4-1 and they had Williams in their lineup..

they would be hollering that we picked a bust and Wiliams has helped the Saints to a 4-1 record..

RB has been a solid ALL-AROUND player(receiving,returning, rushing stinks though) and not a "once in a generation" player
 
"Oh When The Saints Come Marchin' in,Oh when the Saints Come Marchin' in,They will say Reggie Bush Is God, When the Saints come Marchin In'"
 
So New Orleans basically used the #2 overall pick on a punt returner, because Bush has done nothing to help the Saints' running game as of yet.
 
texan279 said:
So New Orleans basically used the #2 overall pick on a punt returner, because Bush has done nothing to help the Saints' running game as of yet.
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Except he's in the top 3 in receptions this year. I don't know why you guys have so much hate. Just be happy with "Super" Mario. When you hate so much on Reggie it just makes you look like you KNOW you guys made the wrong decision. It's like a jealous girlfriend or something. Let it go. Props to Reggie, not to mention the Saints are freaking 4-1 for Christs' sake!
 
Hottoddie said:
While it's true that he scored a game winning TD today, quite frankly, I don't give a damn. We didn't need a RB at the time. Thus, our front office didn't allow ESPN to lead them by the nose to select a player that was/is not NFL ready. And, as it turns out, wasn't even the best RB available in the draft.
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& after getting RonDayne, SamkonGado, & WaliLundy, we still don't need a running back.

SamkonGado was very impressive last season starting for the GB Packers. If AhmanGreen were hurt(which he is) the cheeseheads would be thrilled to have Samkon starting for them.

RonDayne would be starting in Denver right now, had Shanahan not got a wild hair up his butt..... he avg'd 3.4 yards against Indy, after being with our team 9 days. & 4.1 yards against Washington a week later. Both, behind a terrible offensive line, that have allowed 5 sacks in three games. An offensive line, that have not started the same 5 people for two weeks back to back.

& WaliLundy.... had a great Preseason, and avg'd over 5 ypc in the second half of the Phillygame, & 4.2 ypc against Indy.
 
Hookem Horns said:
... and what's your point? Is a great punt return guy/3rd down RB worth the #1 overall pick?

I have been saying all along this guy is going to be another Eric Metcalf type player. So far he looks just like him.
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Are you crazy??

a 3rd down RB is one that will get you those tough yards, he will get you that 1st down, and he will get you that touchdown.
 
donato said:
Except he's in the top 3 in receptions this year. I don't know why you guys have so much hate. Just be happy with "Super" Mario. When you hate so much on Reggie it just makes you look like you KNOW you guys made the wrong decision. It's like a jealous girlfriend or something. Let it go. Props to Reggie, not to mention the Saints are freaking 4-1 for Christs' sake!
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Go to a nice website like Yahoo Sports, where you can use tabs to sort the statistics. Sort for receptions, and Bush is among the leaders... then sort by yards per catch and he disappears. 7.5 yards per catch is about half of what receivers usually do. Ronnie Brown's got a higher yards per catch than Bush. Reggie is a nice player... but aside from one punt return he's done very little to earn his hype. He's got a knack for making the big play at the right time... but you like guys to get first downs or punch it in around the goal line too.
 
TexansBull said:
ESPN and the like are so baised it makes me to always "stick up for mario" whenever the Reggie highlight reel comes out. Especially now that he has a TD, when Marios performance was casually overlooked. Also, its just a way to create controversy for more ratings.

Both players are going to be good in this league, but the media is the one that keeps this feud brewing.
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The media is doing what they've always been doing. sacks are not equal to TDs.... Mario will be the guy they talk about when he has a 3 sack game. It don't matter if it's against the Cowboys, Tennessee, Oakland, or Cleveland.

That tip to seal our first win in 20 some odd games should have got a lot more attention though.. that's definitely equal to a TD, especially for a 6' 7" 290lb guy in coverage.
 
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