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Reggie Bush gets first TD
- Thread starter kastofsna
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Titan "Tack" Fan
Veteran
I think it's so ridiuclous how some people on here try to justify why they think Reggie Bush isn't that good. 2 time winner of Rookie of the Week. How do you argue with that?
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
Titan "Tack" Fan;465263 said:
Nobody's arguing with it. Read the posts again. Neither one of these posts look like they're "justifying" anything.
Guess who won't win it week 7(oh that is right, it is the Saints Bye week)
texan279
Hall of Fame
Titan "Tack" Fan;465263 said:
Easy, he's won it because of hype. Sure he had a punt return for a TD, but 9 carries for 23 yards? I guess if NO is happy with using the #2 overall pick on a slot receiver and a punt returner that's fine, because Bush has shown nothing as a running back.
Hey, who is that new guy doing all those new pepsi commercials.
texan279
Hall of Fame
And those dumb Subway commercials...
Titan "Tack" Fan
Veteran
i'd go on TV and do ghonorrea commercials for the money he's getting paid to do those commercials.
Titan "Tack" Fan
Veteran
I'm making the correlation of Pepsi Rookie of the week, and Pepsi Rookie bought & paid for.
texan279
Hall of Fame
I understand that, but who hasn't bought this guy.
ahhh...... touche..
Titan "Tack" Fan
Veteran
I think the TD was given to him. Not to bag on RB, but the punt coverage was horrible. He dodged the fingertips of one player then ran down the sideline. I think I could've scored. LOL! Anyways, more power to him, I personally don't care that much.
Exactly
domedog316
Practice Squad
Saints - 4-1
The only thing that matters is the record. I saw a post where someone thought it was a waste to use RB as a decoy and reciever. I had to laugh at that......that person should go watch some football and learn the game. Football is not all about Stats. It's about the W's. Reggie is an impact player....he dictates what the D is going to do by where he lines up and who is covering him. All this is not even taking into account what a GREAT PERSON he is. Look at what he's done since he was drafted......character is what the Saints are built on now.....we probably won't make the playoffs due to a rough schedule of games later in the year, I hope we do mind you but it'll be tough.
I think the folks who are calling Mario a bust are messing up....this guy "IS" going to be a monster. Barring injury I think he'll be the best DE in the league in 3 years or less. The "ESPN" generation who think nothing matters except for stats are the most unknowledgable fans out there. I just wanted to make that clear as I am not here to troll or anything...I just can't stand ignorance and there is alot of that in this thread.
kastofsna
Hall of Fame
i'm glad for them. why would i be crying about that
This is funny. he's covered by a single linebaker all the time, or a single DB. The first man usually tackles him, and if that bad ass block wasn't made, he wouldn't have scored that touchdown.
I think N.O. fans are getting a little ahead of themselves. Reggie will be an impact player in the future, but right now, he's just another rookie.
domedog316
Practice Squad
domedog316, I agree Mario will be a monster, but what I am dying to know is is your name a reference to you being able to eat 316 domedogs; because, if it is you should enter Nathan's hotdog eating contest. You'd beat that little Japanese guy easy.
hahahah....nah man. Just a net handle I've used since about 1997 or so...used to be a fan of professional wrestling....haven't really watched it since around 2003 or so......It's a reference to "Stone Cold" Steve Austin.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Come on man, Football may not be all about stats but please stop overhyping this guy man, he hasn't done ANYTHING that any other rookie with comparable speed couldn't do. For that matter, same goes for Mario. It's bad enough that we have to hear this from espn every time he gets a gain of over 4 yds. And i as well as others have said this 50d987890 times, Right now, The biggest reason as to why they are 4-1 is Brees. How much of an impact can a guy have if he's not even on the field for a 3rd of the offensive plays? It's not a waste to use him as a decoy, but for 60 mil, is that what NO got him for? More than likely not. People are saying Stats don't matter, but if he were putting up stats & NO was still 4-1, that be the 1st thing people would point out.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
The greatest response in this thread...
Now go back and read it in context and please tell us what's so great about somebody telling a Dolphins fan that he's crying about the Texans not taking Reggie Bush.
At least tell us how it even makes sense.
I doubt it'll happen. That's not the way you trolls work.
Imagine that they are pretty satisfied being 4-1 with a guy that plays 3 positions and is opening their offense up for other guys like Deuce and Colston.
Funny how people in this thread keep mentioning how much Bush is getting paid, while we paid more money to Williams.
texan279
Hall of Fame
We paid 3 million more to Williams and they have the same amount of guaranteed money.
texan279
Hall of Fame
Well he has sucked as a back so far and hasn't done anything spectacular as a receiver yet. So basically he is making 50 mil as a slot receiver and punt returner right now.
jlam
Waterboy
Negative, Ghost Rider.
Hottoddie
Veteran
That ringing bell everyone will be hearing won't be the Liberty Bell, it'll be the Reggie Bush Bell.
Wolf
100% Texan
I'd say the biggest move was having Drew Brees and Payton as OC for this team
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Not sure who we is from your postsl, but the difference is IF Williams plays like a top 5 DE he will be paid like a top 5 DE. IF RB plays like a top 5 RB he will be 50% overpaid. See how that works now?
run-david-run
All Pro
How about a tipped pass on a 2-point conversion with under 2 minutes to play? That was Mario saving the game
Anyway, congrats to Reggie, as long as he dosnt do it next year against us he can have as many of those as he wants.
run-david-run
All Pro
However, the funny thing about being a decoy, he might have to start acctually burning the D at some point otherwise the whole "omg, where's reggie?!?" thing might start to ware off...
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
I don't freakin' care. Go make a thread about who won the NFC Offensive Rookie of the Week award. Our guy is too valuable to play ST.
run-david-run
All Pro
Titan "Tack" Fan;464481 said:
Dont worry, AJ only has 4 less and already has had a bye week. Also, someone said Reggie is second with 250 yards...what?
Right now the idea of Reggie is having more impact then Reggie himself, once DC's stop getting their info from ESPN, they will stop giving Reggie all that respect and easy catches.
texan279
Hall of Fame
It's funny too, he's #1 in the NFL in receptions yet doesn't even rank in the top 30 in receiving yards, and the 7.4 yards per catch is pretty bad as well.
R
real
Guest
That is because they are basically all screen passes. They have to give him screen passes to generate yardage for him; because, when they hand him the ball for a run he only averages 3.1 yards. He needs the screen pass to get enough seperation so that he can work in open space; since, he can't break tackles to get open space when rushing the ball.
I was watching NFL network this morning and they did a breakdown on Reggie Bush...They showed examples of where defenses were keying on him...How he created opprotunities for other players...some good plays he made...yada yada yada...nothing out of the ordinary....nothing that hasn't already been discussed on the board before...But then they showed his mistakes....Thats what I was interested in...since I don't record N.O games and breakdown their film....
Reggie Bush Doesn't run up the middle....Even plays designed to go inside he tries to bounce them too fast....They showed one play where he just didn't wait for his lineman and tried to bounce it too fast....If he'd have just been a little more patient then he'd have had a big gain...So I got to thinking and I went to look at a breakdown of his runs...
34 rushes outside.....3 rushes up the middle....He averages 3.5 to the outside...4.7 up the middle.....(Staggering difference)Stats
IMO, the kid is going to be good...May not be greatest ever, but I think he is going to be top of the leauge kind of guy....He is a rookie and he will make mistakes....he has made mistakes....And Just like we see how great Mario is going to be because we can see things he is capable of...big plays he's almost made....And then we use stats to judge Bush....IMO, Mario AND RB will be great players in this leauge....
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Interesting, but something is wrong. You can't average everywhere better than 3.1 and then average 3.1 overall.
R
real
Guest
Yeah that caught my attention also...But i figured that plays where he got stopped for no gain or a loss couldn't really be counted or figured in because he didn't really cross the line of scrimmage anywhere so who's to say if it was a left,right, or middle run....even if it was a toss right and he got stopped in the backfield or for no gain who's to say it wasn't going to be a reverse or HB pass...So thats why I came to the conclusion that they only averaged in plays where he crossed the line of scrimmage because then it would be a definite left, right, or middle run....
Point: Reggie is just like Mario...It's clear that Maroney is the better and more polished runner...It's also clear that there are more polished defensive players than Mario...
But both of these guys were taken one and two based on their physical prowess, and the possibility of what they can become...Both are making some rookie mistakes and both are having to learn a lot on the fly....This RB vs. MW thing is O.C.....
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You could be right--they have not accounted for 17 of his rushing attempts. Problem with just throwing up your hands and not allocating loss runs is it could give a false picture. For instance if only 4 of Bush's unaccounted for runs were intended to go outside, it would only lower his outside running average to 3.1 ypc but the other 13 being allocated inside would plunge the inside running average to .87 ypc instead of 4.7 ypc. That would make the analysis of "he just needs to run up the middle more because he is productive there" suspect at best.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
That's crazy. The bottom line stats don't really prove his inevitable greatness, So they go and basically make up a stat like baseball. So i guess we can go inside the numbers for Mario & count QB Hurries as him being able to drive his man back behind the line of scrimmage whether or not he even sniffed the QB?
I know it's not you XtruroyaltyX so don't take this post as an attack, but Sports analysts these days are a joke.
R
real
Guest
Yeah...Im not big on stats either...and that was kind of besides my main point...You can't really look at stats to judge either player....I was just tryin to use stats to prove a point since it seems to be a popular determining factor around here....oh well....My main point was that both of them are rookies...and both are playing on about the same level...I don't see what the fuss was about with either player right now...But I think both will be great players eventually...
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I agree
Good points, but I think the most important part of this breakdown is how defenses are keying to Bush whenever he is on the field. I remember seeing a play that ESPN broke down after that Falcons game where Bush was lined up as a wideout. At the snap, Bush turned toward the QB, like he was expecting one of those quick screen passes, and the cb, the safety and the outside LB at went to him for that split second. Brees then threw easy 20 yard pass to Horn.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Sorry, but if the examples from the Bush Breakdown were the best they could come up with it was a joke. RB in motion and they say ooh look he pulled the CB to the sideline as Deuce runs straight up the gut for 40 yds--yeah that was all about clearing a single CB like no one else could have done that--like Deuce and the OL beating the front 7 wasn't far more important. Even more pathetic was their reverse commentary--look everyone is keying on RB--well duh, he has the ball and then as soon as he handed it off everyone keyed on the guy with the ball. Simple case of backside containment breaking down--they never had a chance to make a play when the ball was flowing the other way regardless of whether Bush had the ball or Chester Pitts, but they lost their assignments.
Let's put it this way--with the exception of thunderkyss is anyone in the NFL scared of Ron Dayne?--no, and yet Miami bit hook line and sinker on Carr's TD bootleg. Is RB successfully being used as a decoy?--yes. Is every decoy move successful because he is "the" RB?--umm, no.