Reggie Bush gets first TD

[thunderkyss]

Yeah I agree....at this point it seems like Reggie is hurting their offense more than he's helping....I just don't know whether it's the teams fault or Reggie's....

Well, I know from watching the Cowboys last year, that Payton expects both his RBs to produce on the same plays. JJ was the speed guy, MB III was the power guy, but they had the same plays called, depending on down & distance more than who the RB was.

JJ has enough Power to break that one or two tackles........ & Barber has enough speed to get him to the second leve, so more times than not it's worked for him in Dallas.

REggie & Duece couldn't be any more different. He may have to change the way he looks at his talent....... but since they're winning, REggie may just have to learn to be productive in his offense.

Just get that one or two yards, your 7 yard reception, show how valuable you are on the field, so that coach will find a way to get you on the field more often than not. If he can create his own position on that team, to where their base set includes him & Duce, then I would think he deserved to be a top 5 pick. If he's got to wait until Duece gets hurt....... big deal.

 

[thunderkyss]

Although I think Bush was a safer pick by the Texans, the early returns don't necessarily support that. Bush is struggling at hitting the interior holes and gaps. He is having problems getting around the corner off a handoff. To be a true #1 back you have to be able to do both of those things.

Currently he is a great utility player and looks like he will have a similar career in stats and game impact as Eric Metcalf. Is that worth the #1 pick overall? That is the million dollar question. Metcalf was great and probably single handedly won the Browns about 5-7 games in a 3 year span. Is that enough production for #1 pick money and salary cap impact?

Bush has already pretty much won one game for the Saints in his first 5 tries...that is on par with Metcalf's impact and has been an asset in every game for a team that has gone 4-1. That is already doubling last year's win total in Week 5. Seems like if your a Saints fan you are happy with the pick and if you passed on him (like we did) we try and microanalyze Bush's impact and production in order to somehow validate our choice of Mario. Bottom line is Saints sucked last year and drafted Bush and are now looking like a bonafide playoff team. Does that mean Mario sucks or that we screwed up? No. It just means that the Saints made the right pick for their team. Period.

*drinks beer* Cheers. Here is to Mario being a commodity for years to come and helping Carr and Co. lead the team to greater glory.

Doug From The Woodlands

The biggest thing REggie did for that team, was keeping them in N.O. To a Saints fan, that is definitely worth the number one pick. If Reggie amounted to nothing, I don't doubt that they'd do it all over again.

I root for the Saints to win every chance I get. I have two Saints starter jackets, a Horn, Brooks, Williams, & a MarkFields Starter Jersey. Although I like the Cowboys, they've never been my #1 team, and when the Oilers left Houston, the Saints became my #1 team.

The Saints look better this year, because they have a home. They aren't playing their Home Opener on the Road against the Giants. They aren't dealing with insurance companies & government agencies about basic necessaties like Water for their loved ones. They aren't haveing to deal with their Bone-Headed QB for publicly saying the same thing they are all thinking.

& they got rid of their bumbling QB.

what REggie does in N.O. has nothing to do with Mario Williams. If we're going to get the Bush monkey off our back, we need to run the Ball. Unless we develop a game plan for a 290lb 6'7" tailBack, Mario can't help.

Mario can be a total bust, but if we can get into the top ten rushing offenses, we can justify passing on Reggie. IF we can get into the top 5, there would be no question why we passed.

 

[thunderkyss]

Heres my two cents:

ESPN and the media invest their credibility into promoting Reggie. He was one of the greatest college athletes of all time, and his marketability is sky high. As a result, ESPN and the media show replays of everything he does because they know that it appeals to the majority of NFL fans.

They tore down one of the greatest college Athletes ever to market him. How much money could they have made, if they pushed Vince as muh as they pushed REggie??

But no, they campaigned for Reggie since the begining of his Junior Season, before the kid officially anounced he would come out.

They hyped the NationalChampionship game, pretty much saying Texas didn't have a chance to win, because they were pushing Reggie as the #1 pick. Think about it, Texas had a top ranked offense, and a top ranked defense, how could they not be the favorite?? All you heard going into the game, was how Vince messed this up, or how Vince didn't do that right. Even after the man got his hardware, they continued.

Even at the draft, they showed the highlight clips of every top 10 pick, except Vince. They broke down his Mechanics, & highlighted the reasons why he wouldn't make it in the NFL.

 

[thunderkyss]

I totally disagree with you here. Deuce may be good, but if he was #1 the entire game, getting all the carries and catches that Reggie is getting, his production would be much worse. Deuce is a great player, but he is very injury proned, is not a great receiver, and probably isn't conditioned to be a 30+ carry a game back at this point.

Bringing Reggie in spells Deuce, gives them a complete change of pace, provides them with a great 3rd down RB, and allows Deuce to prevent getting hurt.

The Saints have a perfect running back by committee at this point:
Deuce gets 20+ carries a game, catches maybe 1-2 passes
RB gets 5-10 carries a game, catches 5-10 passes.

Both of their production is inflated by having the other on the team, not the other way around.

yeah, you go with that. but know that your 3rd down back gets the tough yards, not your 1st & 2nd down back, and that Duece's recieving stats are on par with Reggies.

 

[real]

They tore down one of the greatest college Athletes ever to market him. How much money could they have made, if they pushed Vince as muh as they pushed REggie??

It's debatable how much Reggie had to do with "tearing" down VY.....

 

[jerek]

ain't that a kick in the head....

Dude, I'm not going to go back through your post history to find all of the instances in which you have complained about people commenting in other than a wholly positive light on Reggie's game performance, inferring and implying that some sort of ulterior motive must exist. In many of those instances you did not refute their observations or analysis but only insisted that because it wasn't positive that they shouldn't be making it. In the post I originally cited:

Go to a nice website like Yahoo Sports, where you can use tabs to sort the statistics. Sort for receptions, and Bush is among the leaders... then sort by yards per catch and he disappears. 7.5 yards per catch is about half of what receivers usually do. Ronnie Brown's got a higher yards per catch than Bush. Reggie is a nice player... but aside from one punt return he's done very little to earn his hype. He's got a knack for making the big play at the right time... but you like guys to get first downs or punch it in around the goal line too.

I don't understand why we have to degrade one player to lift up the other...IMO, Leinart, Young, Mario, and Bush have done pretty much what their teams have asked of them...nothing more...nothing less....All of them seem to have pretty bright futures if they can just stay on track....And one thing that you certainly can't judge them on is their "stats"...Who honestly expected these guys to come out and play like veterans ? to totally dominate from day 1? ...

Where in that post is Dr. Toro "degrading one player to lift up the other?" Statistical or observational comparisons are the business of the NFL. Didn't see anything degrading in that post whatsoever.

So Reggie is the only player that they've ever used "total yards" for? You were clearly trying to discredit Reggie because if the "lumping stats" is what truly makes you mad, you wouldn't have waited until they started lumping Reggies...just another pathetic attempt to discredit him...Don't be a wimp and beat around the bush...ha ha..get it BUSH....just admit that you don't like Reggie...you think he sucks....and you think people lump his stats to make him look better...just be honest...

Here again, no one was even overtly criticizing Bush's performance -- they were criticizing the means with which it was reported and analyzed -- and nooo, in your eyes they're just hatin'. Total yards is a junk statistic, as is evidenced by Edell Shepherd outgaining Reggie Bush in TY back in Week 2, and I and others have criticized the way ESPN uses it to inflate the appearance of Reggie's stat line. ESPN has a mancrush on Bush and you are simply in denial if you can't see it -- and it gets irritating, even moreso when we vent on it and are met by the No Hate Police defending a subject whom we hadn't even personally attacked in that particular argument.

I'm not going to look up all of the posts in which you have done this. In other posts you point out or correctly answer an unnecessary or poor comparison, but it just seems to me that you are quick to imagine someone slighting Reggie Bush.

 

[real]

I'm not going to look up all of the posts in which you have done this. In other posts you point out or correctly answer an unnecessary or poor comparison, but it just seems to me that you are quick to imagine someone slighting Reggie Bush.

Jerek......I don't even know what you are arguing about....I don't care really....The comment wasn't made towards you, and I see how you are taking my comments, and once again I apologize that you are taking them how you are....You can continue to think how you want and I'll think how I want...You can continue to jump in everytime I say something about Reggie if you want....

 

[real]

and it gets irritating, even moreso when we vent on it and are met by the No Hate Police defending a subject whom we hadn't even personally attacked in that particular argument.

Except he's in the top 3 in receptions this year. I don't know why you guys have so much hate. Just be happy with "Super" Mario. When you hate so much on Reggie it just makes you look like you KNOW you guys made the wrong decision. It's like a jealous girlfriend or something. Let it go. Props to Reggie, not to mention the Saints are freaking 4-1 for Christs' sake!

You are right "we" hadn't done anything....I was quoting him....I wasn't directing any of my comments towards you....So if me talking to other posters irritates you...just stay out of threads I post in....or ignore me...simple....

And If you would have taken the time to view the post that was quoted in the original message you would see that that it was a Reggie Vs Mario debate...and that is what I commented on....

 

[gtexan02]

yeah, you go with that. but know that your 3rd down back gets the tough yards, not your 1st & 2nd down back, and that Duece's recieving stats are on par with Reggies.

Umm, what??
Deuce - 7 receptions for 53 yards
Bush - 34 receptions for 250 yards

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Heres my two cents:

ESPN and the media invest their credibility into promoting Reggie. He was one of the greatest college athletes of all time, and his marketability is sky high. As a result, ESPN and the media show replays of everything he does because they know that it appeals to the majority of NFL fans.

ESPN is a business, and even if Mario has 5 sacks in a game and Reggie only scores 1 TD, Reggie will get the footage because there are about 100x more Bush fans than Williams fans. Is it right? Probably not, but unless you want to live in a socialist society, you have to realize that the media will market players who are marketable, and that means Reggie. Texans fans don't matter to the marketing executives, because frankly, outside of Houston and the surrounding area, there are practically zero.

Now onto his production. Is he doing amazing? Nope. In fact, as a running back, he's still adjusting to the NFL and doing it slower than most other rookies. But he is doing very well as a receiver, and leading the league in receptions. He's not putting up huge statistics, but the NO saints were the 2nd worst team in the NFL last year, and they are now 4-1 this year. Are defenses keying on him as much as the announcers would have you believe? Probably not. Is it the coaching change? Probably so. Maybe he is simply INSPIRING his team with his attitude. Whatever it is, something has CHANGED the NO Saints, and they are now a winning team.

So in summary,
1. Quit complaining about Reggie publicity because ESPN and the media have to do it. They invested in him, the public loves him, and we are going to see a lot of him.

2. Quit bashing him to build up Mario Williams. Only MW's performance will determine the value of this pick. No matter how well or poorly Bush performs, only MW's performance validates MW's pick.

3. Quit saying RB is doing amazing. So far, he's been average to below average.

4. Quit saying RB is a bust. He's played 5 games, is leading the league in receptions, and has 1 game winning punt return TD.

5. Quit trying to argue that MWs sack was more important than Reggies game winning TD. MWs sack may have changed the tone of the game, but Reggies TD directly won the game for them.

And finally, quit reading this thread if it makes you angry! Its one thread on a messageboard FILLED with other threads. You don't HAVE to read it if you really hate the guy so much

6. Quit starting threads around said subjects if you are going to tell others to quit discussing or do so with pre-requisites.

 

[gtexan02]

6. Quit starting threads around said subjects if you are going to tell others to quit discussing or do so with pre-requisites.

ouch, put into place again. Good thing for my avatar signature or whatever...

Anyway, I wasn't trying to tell people to quit discussing, all I was trying to say was that RB-hype is going to be around for at least a year, and that continuously attacking it isn't going to make Mario a better player, or the Texans FO a better franchise.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

ouch, put into place again. Good thing for my avatar signature or whatever...

Anyway, I wasn't trying to tell people to quit discussing, all I was trying to say was that RB-hype is going to be around for at least a year, and that continuously attacking it isn't going to make Mario a better player, or the Texans FO a better franchise.

We all have our windmills gtexan02 and I may be eating crow on Carr. Granted it took 5 years. Old habits are hard to break.

 

[LBC_Justin]

I totally disagree with you here. Deuce may be good, but if he was #1 the entire game, getting all the carries and catches that Reggie is getting, his production would be much worse. Deuce is a great player, but he is very injury proned, is not a great receiver, and probably isn't conditioned to be a 30+ carry a game back at this point.

Bringing Reggie in spells Deuce, gives them a complete change of pace, provides them with a great 3rd down RB, and allows Deuce to prevent getting hurt.

The Saints have a perfect running back by committee at this point:
Deuce gets 20+ carries a game, catches maybe 1-2 passes
RB gets 5-10 carries a game, catches 5-10 passes.

Both of their production is inflated by having the other on the team, not the other way around.

I am going to have to STRONGLY disagree with you here. If you have the Highest paid running back in NFL history, and he is getting 5-10 carries a game and is not that productive, things are FAR from PERFECT. When you dump that much salary on a guy you need him to take over the position and allow the Saints the option of dropping Deuce and getting a guy at a fraction of the cost of Deuce.

Also reggie is getting lots of receptions but they are not very productive receptions. Very very low YPC.

It all boils down to what you are getting for the price. To the Saints Bush is worth every penny.....but not because of what he has done on the field, mainly because he sells jerseys, puts people in the seats in a place that has trouble selling tickets, and gets the Saints lots of exposure, which they rarely had before.

 

[TreWardTxn]

Bush will always need a guy like Deuce in order to be productive, and Deuce is NOT a run-of-the-mill back. Teams won't be giving up those little slip passes forever once they have no fear of the ball being pounded up the middle. As said, you don't earn your money as the top paid RB in the league by leading in receptions and not close in any other category...

 

[gtexan02]

I am going to have to STRONGLY disagree with you here. If you have the Highest paid running back in NFL history, and he is getting 5-10 carries a game and is not that productive, things are FAR from PERFECT. When you dump that much salary on a guy you need him to take over the position and allow the Saints the option of dropping Deuce and getting a guy at a fraction of the cost of Deuce.

Also reggie is getting lots of receptions but they are not very productive receptions. Very very low YPC.

It all boils down to what you are getting for the price. To the Saints Bush is worth every penny.....but not because of what he has done on the field, mainly because he sells jerseys, puts people in the seats in a place that has trouble selling tickets, and gets the Saints lots of exposure, which they rarely had before.

I"m not saying he's doing amazing, just defending this claim:
Among RBs:
Bush currently #1 in league with 34 receptions
Bush currently #2 in league with 250 yards
Bush currently #11 in league at 7.4 yards per catch average*

*This stat is skewed, because many RBs rarely get thrown to. As a result, I only counted RBs who have 10 receptions or more. The list is as follows:
LJ - 20 receptions - 13.4 ypc
Westbrook - 20 receptions - 10.9 ypc
S Jackson - 18 receptions - 10.2 ypc
K Faulk - 11 receptions - 9.1 ypc
F Taylor - 12 receptions - 9.0 ypc
Gore - 19 receptions - 8.8 ypc
Betts - 16 receptions - 8.4 ypc
Green - 17 receptions - 8.1 ypc
Barber - 19 receptions - 7.8 ypc
Brown - 20 receptions - 7.7 ypc
Bush - 34 receptions - 7.4 ypc
K Jones - 25 receptions - 6.9 ypc
C Taylor - 17 receptions - 6.9 ypc
M Moore - 13 receptions - 6.9 ypc
Addai - 13 receptions - 6.7 ypc
Rhodes - 10 receptions - 6.2 ypc
LT - 19 receptions - 5.8 ypc
Willie Parker - 10 receptions - 5.8 ypc
Edge - 22 receptions - 5.7 ypc
Cadillac - 10 receptions - 5.5 ypc
McGahee - 10 receptions - 5.2 ypc
Haynes - 13 receptions - 5.1 ypc
Foster - 13 receptions - 4.8 ypc
Tom Jones - 11 receptions - 3.2 ypc

So to say that he is not being productive because his ypc is low, is totally incorrect. Sure he's not the most productive of the RBs, but as you can see from this list, he is far from the bottom, outproducing some proven pass catchers (LT, Barber), and has caught almost 10 more balls than the next closest guy.

 

[kastofsna]

bush catches a lot of passes out of the slot, unlike most of those backs.

 

[Titan "Tack" Fan]

Did you guys know that Reggie Bush has the MOST RECEPTIONS IN THE NFL

The most impactful rookie this season is none other than Reggie Bush.

 

[hollywood_texan]

The issue isn't Reggie's talent but his contract.

$55 million over 5 years is a lot of money for a WR!

 

[donato]

The issue isn't Reggie's talent but his contract.

$55 million over 5 years is a lot of money for a WR!

It's six years. And in case you didn't notice he's catching a lot of passes out of the backfield and returned a punt for a TD.

 

[hollywood_texan]

It's six years. And in case you didn't notice he's catching a lot of passes out of the backfield and returned a punt for a TD.

Compared to what top wide receivers and running backs in the NFL, Reggie is paid considerably more.

I am not questioning his talent, but his value in an era of free agency while managing the salary cap.

I think you are missing my point.

 

[Mysteryhunt]

wouldnt reggie averaged out just have like 800 yards receiving? even if you're counting him as some amazing receiver that is pretty average, except generally an average receiver can still find the endzone. also there is a reason why top tier rb's and wr's dont return punts which i think the saints will clue in on the first time reggie goes down the wrong way in a pile on the punt return.

my main probelm with reggie is he is not a good value at his position. unless he proves he can run the ball he is not worth being literally the highest paid rb in the nfl. period.

 

[thunderkyss]

Umm, what??
Deuce - 7 receptions for 53 yards
Bush - 34 receptions for 250 yards

umm,

Duece- 53/7=7.5/catch
Bush- 250/34=7.3/catch

except if you got Duece in the back field, why toss a screen, when you can grab your gnads, and punch them in the mouth.

 

[infantrycak]

Compared to what top wide receivers and running backs in the NFL, Reggie is paid considerably more.

I am not questioning his talent, but his value in an era of free agency while managing the salary cap.

I think you are missing my point.

And you have a very valid point when the franchise number (average of top 5 at the position) for RB's is $6 mil per year and for WR's is $6.2 mil per year and Bush is set to average $9.2 mil on his contract.

 

[gtexan02]

umm,

Duece- 53/7=7.5/catch
Bush- 250/34=7.3/catch

except if you got Duece in the back field, why toss a screen, when you can grab your gnads, and punch them in the mouth.

Except for the fact that you originally said that Deuce's receiving stats were on par with Reggies. Unless you are ONLY looking at yards per catch, they are not even remotely similar.
7 receptions vs. 34
53 yards vs. 250

 

[thunderkyss]

The issue isn't Reggie's talent but his contract.

$55 million over 6 years is a lot of money for a WR!

Not really any reciever taken with the #2 pick next year will get even more.

The problem is paying him all that, to be the #3 reciever.

Now as a reciever, he is doing very well, Chad Johnson, SteveSmith, Terrell Owens, Even Andre Johnson didn't have this kind of impact their rookie year.

I'll actually have to go back and research that, but to my knowledge, after 4 games that's about right.

Well, here's a question. Who is having a bigger impact, Reggie Bush, or Marquez(sp)Colston??

 

[infantrycak]

Not really any reciever taken with the #2 pick next year will get even more.

Why do people persist in perpetuating this myth? Rookie contracts are almost entirely based on draft slot and only minimally affected by position. It is 2nd and 3rd contracts where position becomes the controlling factor.

 

[thunderkyss]

Colston- 23 catches, 374 yards, 16.3 avg, 86 long, 6 catches over 20 yards, 1 over 40, 7 first downs, 4 games started. 3 TDs

Reggie- 34 catches, 250 yards, 7.4 avg, 32 long, 2 over 20, none over 40, 12 FDs, 1 game started. 0 TDs

psshhhh..... after 5 games, Andre only had 28 catches.

 

[thunderkyss]

Why do people persist in perpetuating this myth? Rookie contracts are almost entirely based on draft slot and only minimally affected by position. It is 2nd and 3rd contracts where position becomes the controlling factor.

So the #2 pick will not get as much as this years #2??

I shouldn't have thrown in the position, I know. My bad.

but my point was that next years #2 will get as much money as Reggie, next years #1, will get more..... regardless of position. If it happens to be a WR, he'll get more than Reggie.

 

[real]

Was Reggie worth the pick if he becomes a great WR and pretty good RB/KR/PR?

Not worth the hype...worth the money ?

 

[dtran04]

RB will stop returning punts once a team (like the Jags) sends a Redmond type player at him and piledrives him on a fair catch.

 

[real]

RB will stop returning punts once a team (like the Jags) sends a Redmond type player at him and piledrives him on a fair catch.

That'd be rather dirty...

 

[hollywood_texan]

Compared to what top wide receivers and running backs in the NFL, Reggie is paid considerably more.

I am not questioning his talent, but his value in an era of free agency while managing the salary cap.


I think you are missing my point.

And you have a very valid point when the franchise number (average of top 5 at the position) for RB's is $6 mil per year and for WR's is $6.2 mil per year and Bush is set to average $9.2 mil on his contract.

infantrycak, thanks for the hard numbers.

I will just add, that drafting in the top 5 is very expensive no matter who is drafted. Which is why most teams really don't want to be there these days. Which explains why trading a top 5 pick the last few years has been so difficult.

Inherently, some positions lend themselves to a better top 5 pick than other positions. Running backs, just aren't good picks in the top 5 compared to other skill positions if the talent is out there, but could make sense if one player is head and shoulders above everyone else.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Did you guys know that Reggie Bush has the MOST RECEPTIONS IN THE NFL

The most impactful rookie this season is none other than Reggie Bush.

This just in - Larry Centers, Eric Metcalf and Stump Mitchell are coming out of retirement.

 

[thunderkyss]

Except for the fact that you originally said that Deuce's receiving stats were on par with Reggies. Unless you are ONLY looking at yards per catch, they are not even remotely similar.
7 receptions vs. 34
53 yards vs. 250

Unless Duece dropped 27 passes, Duece's numbers are better. 7.5 yards per catch is better than 7.3 yards per catch. Not blow him out of the water better, but definitely blows the Duece is not a great reciever crap out of the water.

 

[DCSaints_fan]

Unless Duece dropped 27 passes, Duece's numbers are better. 7.5 yards per catch is better than 7.3 yards per catch. Not blow him out of the water better, but definitely blows the Duece is not a great reciever crap out of the water.

Deuce is no slouch coming out of the backfield himself but if you've seen him play Reggie is better at that aspect. 0.2 more yards per catch is not really significant. He gathers in the ball cut upfield very fast - faster than any receiver we've got on the team. I would like to see what he could do on deep routes by so far Payton has mostly shied away from them. The 30 yard 'bomb' to Marques Colston in Cleveland was our longest pass of the year ( longest pass while still in the air that is)

 

[LBC_Justin]

bush catches a lot of passes out of the slot, unlike most of those backs.

good post.


Exactly,
So his YPC should be way higher than other Running Backs. It isn't which tells you he is getting lots of short passes and going NO WHERE.

As of right now Reggie Bush is no Reggie Bush.

 

[LBC_Justin]

Did you guys know that Reggie Bush has the MOST RECEPTIONS IN THE NFL

The most impactful rookie this season is none other than Reggie Bush.

This must be some kind of backwards hillbilly Tennesse math.

If you agree with your own statement, I have a deal for you. I will trade my 100 pennies for your 10 hundred dollar bills.

He isn't the most impactful rookie WR on his own team, let alone the NFL.

When looking at stats for a Running back or WR the most important number isn't Receptions.....it is Yards and Touchdowns.

 

[Goldeagle]

STILL lol!


WES WELKER IS GOD!

 

[Huge]

I haven't read anything on here. Just wanted to point out that this thread has reached 7 pages now.

 

[Titan "Tack" Fan]

This must be some kind of backwards hillbilly Tennesse math.

If you agree with your own statement, I have a deal for you. I will trade my 100 pennies for your 10 hundred dollar bills.

He isn't the most impactful rookie WR on his own team, let alone the NFL.

When looking at stats for a Running back or WR the most important number isn't Receptions.....it is Yards and Touchdowns.

Punt return for the winning TD. 34 receptions. It's his rookie year. Don't get all pissy cause you don't have Reggie on your team.

 

[Headlights of a Carr]

thats one expensive mathis!!

Thats what I was thinking, nothing Mathis couldn't do. Mathis could have ran that back also. That was more of good special teams blocking.

Oh I forgot to say.......Desmond Howard............

 

[Texans86]

Bush's return voted Perfect Play of the Week on Monday Night Football halftime report. Great. How long does it take for someone to go from superhero status to normal?

 

[gtexan02]

And you have a very valid point when the franchise number (average of top 5 at the position) for RB's is $6 mil per year and for WR's is $6.2 mil per year and Bush is set to average $9.2 mil on his contract.

Thats a little silly of an argument though, don't you think? That RB isn't a 9 million dollar running back? By your argument, the only player really "worthy" of being paid 1st pick 1st round numbers would be the QB. 2nd pick is DE (and Williams certainly isn't producing at the same level as a top 5 DE). Linebacker is a significant drop off after that.

Franchise values (average of top 5 of highest paid at each position as of 02/06)
Quarterback $8.789 million
Defensive end $8.332 million
Linebacker $7.169 million
Offensive line $6.983 million
Wide receiver $6.172 million
Running back $6.085 million
Cornerback $5.893 million
Defensive tackle $5.656 million
Safety $4.109 million
Tight end $3.327 million
Kicker-punter $2.468 million

 

[Mr teX]

I am going to have to STRONGLY disagree with you here. If you have the Highest paid running back in NFL history, and he is getting 5-10 carries a game and is not that productive, things are FAR from PERFECT. When you dump that much salary on a guy you need him to take over the position and allow the Saints the option of dropping Deuce and getting a guy at a fraction of the cost of Deuce.

Also reggie is getting lots of receptions but they are not very productive receptions. Very very low YPC.

It all boils down to what you are getting for the price. To the Saints Bush is worth every penny.....but not because of what he has done on the field, mainly because he sells jerseys, puts people in the seats in a place that has trouble selling tickets, and gets the Saints lots of exposure, which they rarely had before.

I mean really, is anyone paying attention to this post? This is nothing but Truth, so what happens if Duece gets hurt again? Are they going to stick Reggie back there & give it to him 25-30 times a game? Aaron Stecker? RB is there PURELY to make money, It's no secret Everyone knows Benson is a terrible owner who had problems with the natives last year. Anything to please them & line his pockets @ the same time is great. Again i ask, what if they were losing & paying this dude all this money with the same production? Would people still be raving about what he's doing in NO? Maybe ESPN still. With the money in that backfield I think Duece will be up for a trade next year..... I think we should go after him.

 

[DCSaints_fan]

[/I]

I mean really, is anyone paying attention to this post? This is nothing but Truth, so what happens if Duece gets hurt again? Are they going to stick Reggie back there & give it to him 25-30 times a game? Aaron Stecker? RB is there PURELY to make money, It's no secret Everyone knows Benson is a terrible owner who had problems with the natives last year. Anything to please them & line his pockets @ the same time is great. Again i ask, what if they were losing & paying this dude all this money with the same production? Would people still be raving about what he's doing in NO? Maybe ESPN still. With the money in that backfield I think Duece will be up for a trade next year..... I think we should go after him.

Did you mean after next year? They are not going to trade McCallister any sooner than after next year. The fact that Benson is greedy is exactly why they are not going to trade him in the near future. They just signed him to a huge contract at the start of 2005 with a pretty hefty signing bonus. They take a pretty big cap hit if they trade him, in addition to when you figure in the signing bonus they will have ended up paying him $10 million plus per year for two years of service (one of which he was injured).
If they do trade him any sooner then after next year I will be totally shocked. His base pay does not got up that much.

I would note that Pittsburgh also managed to keep Bettis even when he was still in his prime and it looked like younger backs were going to take over his starting role. The Saints dont have any problems with the cap right now. Personally I think he's here for 3 years minimun.

 

[Second Honeymoon]

Anyone who thinks RB is only good for making money is fooling themselves. RB has a world of talent and can do a lot of things to help a team's offense and special teams. I think the larger question is whether someone who is in a RBBC (running back by committee) is worth the early pick and the salary cap hit. I could care less about what ESPN says. I only care about impact and W-L record. Presently, its working out pretty good for the Saints and I applaud their success after last year's adversity.

Oh, Texans need to kick the Cowboys in the can next week. I think TO is set to implode, and a Texans upset may be straw that breaks the camel's back. Could you imagine Jones' face if the Texans punk the 'Boys in Irving? Time for some more Botox, Mr.Jones....

doug from the woodlands

 

[Mr teX]

Did you mean after next year? They are not going to trade McCallister any sooner than after next year. The fact that Benson is greedy is exactly why they are not going to trade him in the near future. They just signed him to a huge contract at the start of 2005 with a pretty hefty signing bonus. They take a pretty big cap hit if they trade him, in addition to when you figure in the signing bonus they will have ended up paying him $10 million plus per year for two years of service (one of which he was injured).
If they do trade him any sooner then after next year I will be totally shocked. His base pay does not got up that much.

I would note that Pittsburgh also managed to keep Bettis even when he was still in his prime and it looked like younger backs were going to take over his starting role. The Saints dont have any problems with the cap right now. Personally I think he's here for 3 years minimun.

yeah, you're right about Duece's contract & that is what i meant. As far as the bolded, I don't remember any backs coming into Pitt. at the time that really atually threatened to take Bettis' job. Zeroque (sp?) & duece came along but I don't think any of them were expected to replace him. Plus i don't think that any of those guys were first rounders let alone paid anything near what RB got.

 

[LBC_Justin]

Anyone who thinks RB is only good for making money is fooling themselves. RB has a world of talent and can do a lot of things to help a team's offense and special teams. I think the larger question is whether someone who is in a RBBC (running back by committee) is worth the early pick and the salary cap hit. I could care less about what ESPN says. I only care about impact and W-L record. Presently, its working out pretty good for the Saints and I applaud their success after last year's adversity.

Oh, Texans need to kick the Cowboys in the can next week. I think TO is set to implode, and a Texans upset may be straw that breaks the camel's back. Could you imagine Jones' face if the Texans punk the 'Boys in Irving? Time for some more Botox, Mr.Jones....

doug from the woodlands

Regarding the bolded.

I applaud the Saints for the season they are having. But let's be honest. Reggie Bush is not the reason for the big turn around.

1. Signed a probowl QB
2. They had a lot of issues last year because of Katrina that made them have a record a lot worse than the actual talent level on the team.
3. Defense has improved drastically.
4. Deuce is now healthy...and is running the ball well.
5. Joe Horn and the best rookie on the Saints....Colston is playing awesome..he is the real star Rookie on the Saints.

Reggie Bush has one of the worst "yards per carry" in the entire NFL. Deuce McAllister has one of the best "yards per carry" in the entire NFL. They run behind the same O-line.

again, I am not a Reggie Bush hater. I followed his career all through college. I live in SoCal. But I can't stand the whole "Once in a life time player" tag he was given and the heat the Texans took over the pick. I know that barring injury Reggie Bush will have a solid NFL career. I have no doubt.

 

[donato]

Guess who's about to win rookie of the week for the second time this year? I'll give you a hint- It's not "Super" Mario LoL

http://www.nfl.com/rookies/vote

 

[Mr. White]

Guess who's about to win rookie of the week for the second time this year? I'll give you a hint- It's not "Super" Mario LoL

http://www.nfl.com/rookies/vote

And that it is the reason why Kubiak has released Mario.

/sarcasm off