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Peyton Manning Derby (Signs with Broncos)

Double Barrel said:
yep, I agree completely.

It is not a knock on the Texans, but just a realistic understanding of the history of how this owner and front office operate. It is a bit delusional to think that they will drastically change their M.O. after a decade for a player that may or may not be his former self.
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I pretty much agree with you, but we have to recognize the wild card in the situation that has never existed with the Texans before.
The Texans have never been "one player away" from being the odds on favorite to win the Super Bowl.
If healthy, Manning is that one player.
 
leebigeztx said:
If peytons agent calls the texans, you got to listen to what he's saying because you could end up playing against him if he signs with say kc. The owner will have to be involved also because its such a huge decision.
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I agree you have to listen and McNair will have the final say if that happened.

I do not however see Manning in KC. It will be a warm climate, or a dome., or both.
 
Dutchrudder said:
The dead money on Schaub's deal is merely the signing bonus of about 1.2 million. His salary is reportedly 7.15 million this year, which would be saved if he was cut or traded. That's a lot of money that could be used to sign a guy like Peyton Manning... :D
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But since he went on IR last year, I don't think you can cut or trade him until he is cleared to play. I may be wrong.
 
infantrycak said:
Definitely rare. The only one I can think of is Willie Roaf being traded shortly after the NFL forced his removal from the Texans expansion draft opttions.
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Thanks for that...had forgotten about that. Read up on it and he was traded for conditional picks. It was originally a 4th rounder that escalated to a 3rd based off playing time. That could be the way to move Schaub if the Texans wanted in on Manning.
 
Texn4life said:
That's pretty sad considering we're putting all our bags in his basket to lead us to the promise land this year.
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Not sad at all. He's not 100% yet which would keep a team from offering a 1st day pick. Plus if we're shopping him teams would know we would be looking to sign Manning and we wouldn't be able to keep both. Lowball the offer and sign him if we choose to cut him instead.
 
I think Miami is a done deal.

There are multiple reasons that Manning would choose Miami, but I believe the biggest one is that the Dolphins are feeling the squeeze from the Marlins and Heat to make a big SPLASH. They will sign Manning (Give him the richest contract available) and Wayne and create a bottle neck in the sports race in South Beach.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
Not sad at all. He's not 100% yet which would keep a team from offering a 1st day pick. Plus if we're shopping him teams would know we would be looking to sign Manning and we wouldn't be able to keep both. Lowball the offer and sign him if we choose to cut him instead.
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Cincinnati was able to receive 2 1st round picks for a retired QB who hasn't been as effective as Schaub the last 4 years. If we're only able to receive a late round pick for a starting QB in this league that is sad. You don't think teams would offer at least a 2nd round pick for Schaub if they knew he would be healthy? Yet, we're banking on him coming back to 100 percent without a legitimate contingency plan. If there is one we don't know about it. I don't consider starting Yates for a full season a legitimate plan if Schaub doesn't come back healthy enough to play. I may be in the minority, but I still think the kid needs another year or 2 before he's ready.
 
Super Mario said:
I think Miami is a done deal.

There are multiple reasons that Manning would choose Miami, but I believe the biggest one is that the Dolphins are feeling the squeeze from the Marlins and Heat to make a big SPLASH. They will sign Manning (Give him the richest contract available) and Wayne and create a bottle neck in the sports race in South Beach.
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How much cap room do they have? If they could go after Saturday as well, I think you may have nailed it.
 
GP said:
It would have a LOT to do with McNair and Smithiak.

Like Herv said, it's not in this franchise's DNA to acquire Manning. They gave Carr a whole season to see if he could turn the corner, then spent two 2's on Schaub. That's as fancy and daring as you'll ever see from McNair.

My personal wish: I want a true, legit, franchise QB here. A 10-year guy like the Colts had in Manning. A Brees type. Manning might have a year or two left in the tank, maybe 3. So I think it'd be better to roll with what we have in Yates and keep drafting QBs as annual insurance and potential "franchise" type guys.

And I think this is how McNair and his crew think as well. Slow and steady wins the race, let other teams experiment with Manning.
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Again Houston DNA or not Peyton gonna do what Peyton wants to do...so are we on his list?


per Mike Freeman NFL insider @ CBS Sports:



Peyton Manning insists he's made no decision on his possible NFL destination. Sure, Peyton. Sure.

No one in the league believes that. They think Manning has a short list but doesn't want to publicly admit it so he can maximize the inevitable bidding war.

One team official that contacted Manning's agent, Tom Condon, says he got the definite impression that Manning indeed has already decided where he wants to go, or, at least, the handful of teams truly in the mix. The official, who did not want to be identified, believes that Miami, Washington and Denver are the front-runners.

But the official conceeded the front-runner will be the team that, in the end, offers the most guaranteed money.

The official believes that contrary to some reports Manning is indeed open to playing in the NFC even in the NFC East where his brother, Eli, is obviously king of the division.

It's still early in the process but one thing is clear: the Manning derby is fully underway and despite his public protestations Manning likely already has a good idea of where he wants to go.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Again Houston DNA or not Peyton gonna do what Peyton wants to do...so are we on his list?


per Mike Freeman NFL insider @ CBS Sports:



Peyton Manning insists he's made no decision on his possible NFL destination. Sure, Peyton. Sure.

No one in the league believes that. They think Manning has a short list but doesn't want to publicly admit it so he can maximize the inevitable bidding war.

One team official that contacted Manning's agent, Tom Condon, says he got the definite impression that Manning indeed has already decided where he wants to go, or, at least, the handful of teams truly in the mix. The official, who did not want to be identified, believes that Miami, Washington and Denver are the front-runners.

But the official conceeded the front-runner will be the team that, in the end, offers the most guaranteed money.

The official believes that contrary to some reports Manning is indeed open to playing in the NFC even in the NFC East where his brother, Eli, is obviously king of the division.

It's still early in the process but one thing is clear: the Manning derby is fully underway and despite his public protestations Manning likely already has a good idea of where he wants to go.
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PFT is reporting that Manning has already informed Washington he's not interested so this official's report seems to be inaccurate. There are so many rumors flying about, but like many here have said I think Miami looks to be the place he's going. And we'll see nothing but Manning versus Brady hoolpa for the next 3 years.
 
From @Russellmania980 on ESPN: "From what I'm hearing...Manning's camp made it pretty clear to #Redskins that he doesn't want to come here."

This is believable to me.
 
Evan Silva ‏ @evansilva

Most folks pushing Peyton to #Dolphins. Still don't buy it. Manning picking Fitz > Marshall, AZ front office > Ireland/Ross all day long.

Mary Kay Cabot ‏ @MaryKayCabot

Peyton Manning has told the Redskins he doesn't want to play for them, Chris Russell of ESPN 980 Washington told Sportscenter today.
 
Señor Stan;1911758 said:
You are correct. According to the Chinese Zodiac, Horses and Rats are incompatible. Bad match.
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I just can't imagine Peyton and the Shannys liking each other.

Two QB coaches trying to look over Peyton's shoulder and dictate gameplans to him all the time?

Plus playing in the same division as Eli for a team completely bereft of offensive talent? Not to mention one of the worst owners in all of professional sports?

I'm guessing he can do better.
 
I would have to think Miami and Arizona have to be the favorites, and if either has enough cap space to bring along Saturday and Wayne they would move to the front. Who has the best O-line now? Miami? Maybe Houston as a wild card, but looking like sand for Peyton, either beach or desert.
 
Kolb's bonus money is due on the 17th. Not sure Peyton will be signed by then, so the Cardinals may lose out by default.
 
DonnyMost said:
Kolb's bonus money is due on the 17th. Not sure Peyton will be signed by then, so the Cardinals may lose out by default.
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I'm guessing Manning will sign before free agency starts for the players with expiring contracts - or if not, within a day or two afterwards.
 
Señor Stan;1911678 said:
I keep thinking they are calling it the Peyton Manning Derby because he looks like a horse.

Makes sense he would go to the Broncos. They also have a horse on their helmet. Plus, their team president looks like a horse. Add in Sarah Jessica Parker and its a done deal.
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Brilliantly constructed. Simply beautiful, Señor Stan.
 
michaelm said:
I pretty much agree with you, but we have to recognize the wild card in the situation that has never existed with the Texans before.
The Texans have never been "one player away" from being the odds on favorite to win the Super Bowl.
If healthy, Manning is that one player.
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I do not believe that Manning will play for league minimum or whatever incentive based contracts have been mentioned. I think money will definitely come into play for whoever signs him, and because of that, we will have to jettison too many players to sign him to remain "one player away".

As AT mentioned in his post:

ArlingtonTexan said:
per Mike Freeman NFL insider @ CBS Sports:

But the official conceded the front-runner will be the team that, in the end, offers the most guaranteed money.
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I certainly put more validity into Mike Freeman's perspective over "message board insiders" who claim knowledge that they cannot substantiate (not directed at you, michaelm, but just in general).
 
Señor Stan;1911678 said:
I keep thinking they are calling it the Peyton Manning Derby because he looks like a horse.

Makes sense he would go to the Broncos. They also have a horse on their helmet. Plus, their team president looks like a horse. Add in Sarah Jessica Parker and its a done deal.
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I think you're right.
 
GP said:
It would have a LOT to do with McNair and Smithiak.

Like Herv said, it's not in this franchise's DNA to acquire Manning. They gave Carr a whole season to see if he could turn the corner, then spent two 2's on Schaub. That's as fancy and daring as you'll ever see from McNair.

My personal wish: I want a true, legit, franchise QB here. A 10-year guy like the Colts had in Manning. A Brees type. Manning might have a year or two left in the tank, maybe 3. So I think it'd be better to roll with what we have in Yates and keep drafting QBs as annual insurance and potential "franchise" type guys.

And I think this is how McNair and his crew think as well. Slow and steady wins the race, let other teams experiment with Manning.
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Hell why not Brees himself. The way things are going with the Saints, Brees may hit the market next year....
 
What if the collective decision makers with the Texans, The Bull Skull & Bones members, just decided to do it and grabbed Manning?

They could say Matt is a long ways out, TJ is in his sophomore year here, and Manning is a stop-gap solution until Schaub has a chance late 2012 reg season to get on the field to see what he's got.

If they wanted to do it, they can spin it however they want. What's Schaub going to do about it? Nothing. He'd have to eat **** and smile, period.

This would be a good time for the Texans to cash in some "Good vibe P.R. credit" they've accrued all these years.

Not saying I want that...just saying I have seen stranger things happen. Anything could happen.
 
BullNation4Life said:
Hell why not Brees himself. The way things are going with the Saints, Brees may hit the market next year....
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What if the reason they haven't signed Brees yet, is that Manning is coming back to the city of his birth! Finally a Manning will take the Saints to a Super Bowl! Or, it could be that Brees wants more money than they are offering ... either one. :)
 
Texn4life said:
It only makes sense that he would continue to field offers from NFC teams. The more offers on the table, the more he can get from the team he really wants to go to. The Texans of all teams should know about being used in free agency.
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Bingo.
 
gary said:
Does Miami have enough money to sign Peyton, Reggie, and Pierre?
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They may need to restructure some guys, but it's likely they could make room for at least 2 of them. Jake Long is in the last year of his deal, and could be extended and restructured to make a lot of room.
 
Dutchrudder said:
They may need to restructure some guys, but it's likely they could make room for at least 2 of them. Jake Long is in the last year of his deal, and could be extended and restructured to make a lot of room.
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I see something like this maybe occurring.
 
Dutchrudder said:
They may need to restructure some guys, but it's likely they could make room for at least 2 of them. Jake Long is in the last year of his deal, and could be extended and restructured to make a lot of room.
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Which would be perfect since he would be a key reason Peyton would find them attractive. More I think the more I see Miami leading this thing.
 
If you're an owner and you think you can get Peyton, you have to consider it. It also sends the message to the team that it's not about playoffs. It's about championships and showing a commitment to winning
 
DonnyMost said:
Manning and the Shannahans sounds like a terrible combination.
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I think the Skins owner would be the real deal breaker. I just don't think Peyton would want to work for Snyder.

ArlingtonTexan said:
If Manning truly wishes to play for the Texans, it a great chance of happening.
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Really? Don't you think the Texans desire for Manning comes into the equation? Because I believe the Texans truly don't want him. They (McNair & Kubiak) like Schaub and like the team's chemistry. McNair's staying the course.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
If you're an owner and you think you can get Peyton, you have to consider it. It also sends the message to the team that it's not about playoffs. It's about championships and showing a commitment to winning
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I think it can send a positive message to a team in need of a QB and a leader. To a team with a QB and leader, it sends a message that now matter how much you put yourself on the line for the team, you can be replaced by the next bigger, better deal.

You know that McNair's not going after Manning. Seems like you're setting up an opportunity to criticize McNair.
 
Lucky said:
I think it can send a positive message to a team in need of a QB and a leader. To a team with a QB and leader, it sends a message that now matter how much you put yourself on the line for the team, you can be replaced by the next bigger, better deal.

You know that McNair's not going after Manning. Seems like you're setting up an opportunity to criticize McNair.
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And this is where I think we differ from a team like the Patriots. The Patriots made a tough decision to go away from Drew Bledsoe who led them to a Super Bowl and roll with Tom Brady. Bledsoe had been through a ton of battles for that team and was healthy enough to play when the Patriots went to Pittsburgh for the AFC championship. Now mind you this was before Tom Brady became the Tom Brady we know now. That was Drew Bledsoe's team.

They made the decision that was best for the franchise. Not a decision to protect feelings. These guys should all understand that they should never feel their jobs are safe. I like Schaub and think he can do some good things for this franchise (If healthy, which is a big if). I don't think its entirely his fault that we haven't been to the playoffs with him leading us, but he does absorb some of the blame. He's the QB of the team so he's going to get a ton of credit when we win so its only natural he get some of the blame when we lose. I don't think we should start getting cold hearted as a franchise, but making emotional personal decisions when running a business usually doesn't turn out to be a good thing.
 
I don't know where Manning is going to end up but I can put a pretty good guess that it isn't going to be on a team without a really solid offensive line guarding him from getting hit. I mean besides from him not wanting to get hit I couldn't imagine a team makes the investment in him without seriously beefing up pass protection.
 
Texn4life said:
And this is where I think we differ from a team like the Patriots. The Patriots made a tough decision to go away from Drew Bledsoe who led them to a Super Bowl and roll with Tom Brady. Bledsoe had been through a ton of battles for that team and was healthy enough to play when the Patriots went to Pittsburgh for the AFC championship. Now mind you this was before Tom Brady became the Tom Brady we know now. That was Drew Bledsoe's team.
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Not by the time it got to the AFC Championship game it wasn't. We are talking about a Bledsoe who had led the team on a five year decline to a 5-11 record. And yes he is partly responsible. Bledsoe's prior season he had a 77 qb rating and you are using this to argue against a guy who has been in the 90s for the last four seasons. FYI - Bledsoe's best sniff at a 90 in his entire career was an 87. We are talking about a Bledsoe out midway through the 2nd game of the season in a game in which he had 0 TDs and 2 INTs. We are talking about a Brady who then took an 0-2 team to 11-5. So we have a low performing older player v. a better performing younger player. The comparison is not apt.
 
infantrycak said:
Not by the time it got to the AFC Championship game it wasn't. We are talking about a Bledsoe who had led the team on a five year decline to a 5-11 record. We are talking about a Bledsoe out midway through the 2nd game of the season in which he had 0 TDs and 2 INTs. We are talking about a Brady who then took an 0-2 team to 11-5. So we have a low performing older player v. a better performing younger player. The comparison is not apt.
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Fair point..... And it probably wasn't the best of examples. But the overall point of what I'm trying to get at remains. I love the fact that we're a loyal organization that looks out for our players as much as we can....... but I also believe that can be dangerous when not looking at things from a pure financial and business perspective, and acting out of "emotion" in a sense.
 
Texn4life said:
Fair point..... And it probably wasn't the best of examples. But the overall point of what I'm trying to get at remains. I love the fact that we're a loyal organization that looks out for our players as much as we can, but I also believe that can be dangerous when not looking at things from a pure financial and business perspective, and acting out of "emotion" in a sense.
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Overall point taken, just had to pick at the example.
 
Sorry I can't help but drool at a manning, andre, reggie wayne, owens, and our offensive line with both Foster and Tate in the backfield..

I mean seriously... who would not want to see that?
 
Lucky said:
it sends a message that now matter how much you put yourself on the line for the team, you can be replaced by the next bigger, better deal.
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thats why its a grown mans business and not teeball... if you have the opportunity to upgrade for a "bigger, better deal" you do it..
 
Premier said:
thats why its a grown mans business and not teeball... if you have the opportunity to upgrade for a "bigger, better deal" you do it..
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You hit it on the head, and that is why it will not happen.

Manning is in my opinion the greatest QB ever, before the neck injury. Without him, and the salary he will command (this is a grown man's business and will want to get paid) for his brand name, the Texans were two games from the Super Bowl.

Tee ballers take risks. Successful grown men, take calculated risks. We have a road map to success, and fully expect the Texans' brass to execute.
 
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Premier said:
thats why its a grown mans business and not teeball... if you have the opportunity to upgrade for a "bigger, better deal" you do it..
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This isn't fantasy football. It's real people, real emotions, real chemistry. Football is a game where the whole must be greater than the sum of its parts. To dump Schaub, bring in Manning, and force his leadership down the rest of the team's (and coaching staff's) collective throat would damage that chemistry that has took so long to build. And everyone in the Texans organization is aware of that. Even if some fans aren't.

Had the Texans not (finally) won last season, and would be all in for Manning. Dump the coaching staff, cut any deadwood the new staff didn't like, and change the dynamics of the organization. But, they did win last season. Against a lot of adversity. Now, they need to see how far they can take this. Not tear it up.
 
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