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Peyton Manning Derby (Signs with Broncos)

TB, could the Titans implode? Sure. That WOULD be perfect. I just don't see that happening.

They may not make a SB (and won't win it because Bud will never win one), but Peyton has had this division on lockdown for over a decade. If, and it's a big if, Peyton goes to Titans it's bad news.

OT - I am thinking about leaving work early and heading to Nick's Place for the tourney. If you go there,I will be the only guy in a David Freese shirt :)
 
First, QB's shouldn't be judged on win/loss records alone.

Second, I'm not sure how to feel about Peyton being a Titan, and I'm pretty certain it's going to happen. I think its a great business move for obvious reasons, but it's not the best football move. Tenn still isn't a Super Bowl contender with Peyton, IMO. They have one (1) defensive end on the roster at the moment. Their defensive backfield has regressed, and their linebacking corps include two second-year players and a guy who can no longer run. They have a lot of work to do on the defensive side.

I like that the FO is being aggressive; it's almost as if they're trying to get better. The addition of Hutchinson (eh...) Myers or Wells on the interior line would be great, and one of those guys needs to be signed. Manning would no doubt make them a better team, but I think the money would be better spent on Mario.

I've never hated Peyton I've just hated playing him, so if he did come I would be behind it. I'm just not looking forward to those hideous orange jerseys throughout LP.
 
All you people who are burying Peyton Manning are ridiculous.

Abso-****ing-lutely ridiculous.

And bringing up playoff records is equally riduclous. Hm, I wonder what Terry Bradshaw, Trent Dilfer, and Joe Montana had that Peyton Manning never had. The fact that he was able to do what he did, for so long, with the **** that surrounded him (especially on defense) is damn-****ing-near miraculous. You never, ever, ever use "just" playoff W/L or "just' Super Bowl rings to judge a player. It must be a combination of so many things. Is Peyton Manning the best QB of all-time? Strictly speaking "man playing the position", he very well might be. I'm not sure he is though. I'd give it to Elway.

You guys seem to be cutting his career down. Peyton Manning is overrated, is what I'm reading from you. Really? Really? Goodness. It's almost as if you're dredging up some insecurity complex and you're trying to rationalize and diminish the very real possibility that he can come in, be in our division no less, and still be a beast. Would I be "terrified" of him or Tennessee as a whole if he went there? No, not really. Why? Because I have confidence in our boys. But that doesn't mean anything about his ability to perform. We'll have to see on that.

Either way, to sign him up as dead and done is a fatal mistake.
 
Titans owner offers Peyton a contract “for life”
Posted by Mike Florio on March 15, 2012, 10:17 AM EDT


To the extent that Peyton Manning is looking to parlay a contract for his services as a player into a contract for his services as an executive, it’s working.

Titans owner Bud Adams told KHOU radio in Houston on Wednesday that he has offered Peyton a contract “for life.”

Adams also said he “feels great” about the team’s chances of landing Manning.

As previously mentioned, the idea of welcoming Peyton into the front office upon retirement could make for more than a little awkwardness, given that the jobs and the duties Peyton may be eyeballing already are spoken for. (Including giving the opposition a double-barreled middle finger during games.)

Then there’s the question of how a contract that contains financial promises beyond the expiration of the playing career impacts the salary cap. A post-playing-career maneuver once made by Broncos owner Pat Bowlen regarding quarterback John Elway contributed to a finding that the team had violated the salary-cap rules.

And so, before any contract “for life” becomes effective, the league office will have to approve it. In the end, it’s possible that the playing part of the lifetime contract will be addressed in writing, and that the balance of the business will be accomplished via a series of winks and nods.
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Evan Silva ‏ @evansilva Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
ESPN's Adam Schefter on Peyton Manning: "It does look like the 2 finalists are Tennessee & Denver. They appear to have the best chances."
 
Folks should try to be objective.

Quit basing your perspective on the name "Peyton Manning". What he has done in his career is HoF and worthy to be considered one of the great QBs in the NFL.

But that was then.

His last play was in December 2010. He's had FOUR neck surgeries. Father Time does not care about the name on the jersey or what a player has done. Eventual always comes, and age is the same for Manning as it was for Elway, Marino, Aikman, Montana, Favre.

At some point, he will simply be unable to perform at the level that we have all come to expect. It is not a matter of if, but when. And after sitting out an entire season, undergoing multiple surgeries, lingering concerns about his healing process, and even now unable to throw the ball with the same consistency and strength as he did in 2010, I think it is a bit premature to crown him as a Super Bowl MVP simply because his name is Peyton Manning.

Try to be pragmatic about analyzing the situation. Remove the awe, remove the name, and just look at it from a realistic perspective. Dude will be 36 years old, out for an entire season, neck surgeries and nerve damage, and playing for a team that is still a year or two away from being a consistent contender if he signs with the Titans.

Baldinger was babbling last night that this is a perfect division because Manning knows it so well.

WRONG!

Manning has never faced the Texans defense run by Wade Phillips. He's never faced a Texans team coming off a playoff winning season. He's never faced a Texans team that is no longer scared of him, but instead hungry for his head (figure of speech). This defense is HUNGRY, and I have no doubt that they see a gigantic T-bone in Manning. He will regret signing with the Titans and facing our D twice a year.

Bring it on, I say. He's probably a shell of his former self, and seeing him and the Titans lose is what I will live for as a Texans fan. Just because he's Peyton Manning he will not suffer from the same rust that plagues all other players after a year off?? Hogwash! He's human just like the rest of them.

I just hope he can stay healthy long enough to play the games against us, because even that is uncertain right now.
 
Adams is trying to actually purchase & own Peyton. Upon signing, Manning will be required move into Bud's house as Bud will own him. Off season duties will be mixing drinks for the Budster and picking him up off the ground when he falls.

After football, Bud will lock Peyton in his basement with the other people Bud owns, bringing him out to put the best QB ever on display when Adams has company.
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#lookbeforeyouleap
 
Bud makes some of the most irrational decisions I have ever seen.

This one takes the cake. He is so ashamed of his failure with Vince Young that he's willing to make Manning the President of Titanville if he'll just choose the Titans! It's so damn awkward. Would Peyton really, truly want to play for a guy as desperate and pitiful as Bud Adams?

I mean, there should be an age limit or sanity test for NFL owners. Once you reach the level of flipping off people from your sky box or offering ANY player a life-long deal that enthrones them within your organization for that player's lifetime????? Then it's time to let the NFL pass the decision-making of that team down to someone less insane than the owner.

It truly is amazing that the NFL can survive the Al Davis' and Bud Adams' of their organizational universe. Doesn't it make sense that the NFL somehow has the ability to require owners to have their decision-making powers stripped if they become senile? I know this sounds very "police state" and stuff, but I mean come on! It's getting so bizarre now. This is the year 2012 and the NFL has THIS kind of loon-bird running one of its franchises? LOL.
 
yep. There is a reason why Bud Adams is one of the last of the AFL owners not to be inducted into the Hall of Fame.
 
He'll go to Denver. He has to.

Bud Adams is a slimey turd.

Elway is a pal of his.

The human element will win out.

It has to.
 
DonnyMost said:
He'll go to Denver. He has to.

Bud Adams is a slimey turd.

Elway is a pal of his.

The human element will win out.

It has to.
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Actually, him going to the Titans for several boatloads of money which constrains their future CAP, then our defense putting the finishing "touches" on his carear this season would be mighty nice to see. :)
 
DonnyMost said:
He'll go to Denver. He has to.

Bud Adams is a slimey turd.

Elway is a pal of his.

The human element will win out.

It has to.
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That's what gets me. If the Titans offer him considerable just stupid money I can see him going. But the Mannings are all about class, respect, good owners and good front offices. Denver exceeds Tennessee in all aspects of those criteria. I cannot see Peytong having a "front office" gig when his days are over with Bud Adams as the owner. Doesn't seem to mesh.
Thorn said:
Actually, him going to the Titans for several boatloads of money which constrains their future CAP, then our defense putting the finishing "touches" on his carear this season would be mighty nice to see. :)
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No joke, I kinda hope the Titans royally eff themselves over with this. I would never want anything bad to happen to a player (particularly a guy like Peyton)... but it would be nice if we "scare" him a little. ;)
 
Manning in TN would make our rivalry more colorful. Right now Hou vs TN isn't anything a National audience wants to see really...but with Manning, that's some Sunday night football right there. I ain't skeered - bring it on. Manning in TN can't do anything but make football more fun for us on gameday.
 
Contract “for life” would require two contracts, league approval
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Titans owner Bud Adams has offered Peyton Manning a contract “for life.” As crazy as it sounds in the salary-cap era, it can happen.

Per a source with knowledge of the league’s procedures, Manning and the Titans would be required to sign two contracts: one for the work as player, and one for the job as a non-player. The second job would have to be a “real job,” and the wages for the second job would have to represent fair market value. Manning would have to actually perform the duties of the job after his playing career ends.

Also, the entire arrangement would require league approval.

There would be no cap charge during Manning’s playing career. However, if the second contract pays higher than fair market value or if Manning doesn’t perform the services required, the Titans would face salary cap charges and other penalties for circumventing the cap, including fines and possible loss of draft choices.

To the extent that the contract “for life” would entail purchasing a portion of the team, there would be salary cap implications. Before getting to that point, the transaction would have to be approved by a vote of the 32 owners.

It’s unknown whether Adams would attempt to convey minority ownership of the Titans to Manning.
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GP said:
Bud makes some of the most irrational decisions I have ever seen.

This one takes the cake. He is so ashamed of his failure with Vince Young that he's willing to make Manning the President of Titanville if he'll just choose the Titans! It's so damn awkward. Would Peyton really, truly want to play for a guy as desperate and pitiful as Bud Adams?

I mean, there should be an age limit or sanity test for NFL owners. Once you reach the level of flipping off people from your sky box or offering ANY player a life-long deal that enthrones them within your organization for that player's lifetime????? Then it's time to let the NFL pass the decision-making of that team down to someone less insane than the owner.

It truly is amazing that the NFL can survive the Al Davis' and Bud Adams' of their organizational universe. Doesn't it make sense that the NFL somehow has the ability to require owners to have their decision-making powers stripped if they become senile? I know this sounds very "police state" and stuff, but I mean come on! It's getting so bizarre now. This is the year 2012 and the NFL has THIS kind of loon-bird running one of its franchises? LOL.
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If he stays in charge of them for another 10 years I'm completely happy with that. Another crazy owner destroying his franchise keeps things interesting. Their fans deserve a little of the hell we went through in Houston.

I hope they get Peyton to be honest. Let Bud lock him up "for life" and put himself in salary cap hell over a guy who may only make it through one big hit.

All I want is the Texans to win the Super Bowl before this guy kicks the bucket. After the eff yous he has sent our way that would be the best gift we could give him. The city he screwed over will finally have what he will never get and they got it with out him.
 
Why would Manning want to be a Titan after his playing career when he spent 14 seasons with the Colts? Is he that butthurt over the business decision that Indy was forced to make by his massive head...errr...salary?

The whole thing is weird with the Titans, and honestly, I'd lose some respect for Peyton if he sells his soul to that satanic a-hole. I hate everything about Bud Adams, and by association, Manning will be perceived as sliming his reputation.

I'm not happy that Bruce Matthews went back there, but at least he has a long history with the franchise. Would Manning be doing this to pander to his college alumni?

*blech*
 
Double Barrel said:
Why would Manning want to be a Titan after his playing career when he spent 14 seasons with the Colts? Is he that butthurt over the business decision that Indy was forced to make by his massive head...errr...salary?

The whole thing is weird with the Titans, and honestly, I'd lose some respect for Peyton if he sells his soul to that satanic a-hole. I hate everything about Bud Adams, and by association, Manning will be perceived as sliming his reputation.

I'm not happy that Bruce Matthews went back there, but at least he has a long history with the franchise. Would Manning be doing this to pander to his college alumni?

*blech*
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Manning "coming home" to Tennessee, plus a big fat contract? I can see it happening. Deep down he would love to stick it to the Colts twice a year.
 
Stephanie Stradley ‏ @StephStradley Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Mouth barf. RT @ClayTravisBGID: Continuing to hear from source that Manning to Titans will happen. Hammering out contract details now.

Stephanie Stradley ‏ @StephStradley Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
If Manning goes to Titans, it will end poorly. That's how it works for all Titans QBs. #BudIsTheManofConstantSorrow
 
Playoffs said:
Stephanie Stradley ‏ @StephStradley Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Mouth barf. RT @ClayTravisBGID: Continuing to hear from source that Manning to Titans will happen. Hammering out contract details now.

Stephanie Stradley ‏ @StephStradley Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
If Manning goes to Titans, it will end poorly. That's how it works for all Titans QBs. #BudIsTheManofConstantSorrow
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This makes my skin crawl. Can you even imagine how much $h!t Bob McNair will take if they come around and spank us twice a year?

That line will start behind me ...
 
Double Barrel said:
Why would Manning want to be a Titan after his playing career when he spent 14 seasons with the Colts? Is he that butthurt over the business decision that Indy was forced to make by his massive head...errr...salary?

The whole thing is weird with the Titans, and honestly, I'd lose some respect for Peyton if he sells his soul to that satanic a-hole. I hate everything about Bud Adams, and by association, Manning will be perceived as sliming his reputation.

I'm not happy that Bruce Matthews went back there, but at least he has a long history with the franchise. Would Manning be doing this to pander to his college alumni?

*blech*
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I used to live in Tennessee and I've seen them wear #16 Vol shirts to many a Titan game early on before the Oilers felt like TN's team instead of feeling like Houston's hand me down. There is a very real relationship that Manning has with the Vol fan base and the Vol fan base IS the football fanbase in TN. The Vols are more popular than the Titans and bringing Manning to the Titans will kinda marry that up. Tailgating for the Vols dwarfs tailgaiting for the Titans....and the Vols often have 100k in the stands every Sunday. No way the Titans could fill that stadium. I think its a brilliant move by Bud and to me it doesn't feel like Manning is pandering to anything. Going where you are loved and wanted isn't such a bad thing if you ask me. I think you just hate Manning and Bud so much you just see red on this one. :evil:
 
Vinny said:
I used to live in Tennessee and I've seen them wear #16 Vol shirts to many a Titan game early on before the Oilers felt like TN's team instead of feeling like Houston's hand me down. There is a very real relationship that Manning has with the Vol fan base and the Vol fan base IS the football fanbase in TN. The Vols are more popular than the Titans and bringing Manning to the Titans will kinda marry that up. Tailgating for the Vols dwarfs tailgaiting for the Titans....and the Vols often have 100k in the stands every Sunday. No way the Titans could fill that stadium. I think its a brilliant move by Bud and to me it doesn't feel like Manning is pandering to anything. Going where you are loved and wanted isn't such a bad thing if you ask me. I think you just hate Manning and Bud so much you just see red on this one. :evil:
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THIS...

I'm from Nashville originally (been here over 30 yrs) and Vinny's right. SEC football and the Vols is still the more sought after football ticket in that neck of the woods. If Bud can snag him and marry the Titans with the Tennessee Vols.... well, he'll instantly gain a whole nuther group of fans.
 
I'd lose some respect for Peyton too if he went to Tennessee. I don't care about the Bud Adams stuff quite as much because I wasnt an Oilers fan before they got jacked from Houston, but I don't think any player should leave and then go to one of their rivals, especially the rival thats EASILY the most hate-able in our division.

Hate it when Red Sox become Yankees and vice versa, hate it when Celtics become Lakers, hate it when Suns become Spurs....everything. I just think its bull****. Then I realize fans care more about rivalries than players do. Wish someone would come out and say "_______? **** no, not after all I've been through, not after playing for ______ for so long." THAT player "gets it"
 
Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter
RT @wesleylhicks: Of course we are going to find out Tebow's future today because it is 3-16! ... Oh boy. Hadn't even thought of that.
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haha - had to share.
 
Albert Breer reporting the Broncos plane is headed to Raleigh, while the Titans plane is still sitting in Houston.

SPLASH.
 
I fully expect something completely crazy to end up happening.

Like, Manning signs with a random team like the 49ers or suddenly retires.
 
Peyton Manning working out for the Broncos today.

Now we're cooking with gas.

Finally some real reps in an audition situation.
 
Vinny said:
I used to live in Tennessee and I've seen them wear #16 Vol shirts to many a Titan game early on before the Oilers felt like TN's team instead of feeling like Houston's hand me down. There is a very real relationship that Manning has with the Vol fan base and the Vol fan base IS the football fanbase in TN. The Vols are more popular than the Titans and bringing Manning to the Titans will kinda marry that up. Tailgating for the Vols dwarfs tailgaiting for the Titans....and the Vols often have 100k in the stands every Sunday. No way the Titans could fill that stadium. I think its a brilliant move by Bud and to me it doesn't feel like Manning is pandering to anything. Going where you are loved and wanted isn't such a bad thing if you ask me. I think you just hate Manning and Bud so much you just see red on this one. :evil:
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I concede your point, man. My perception is certainly influenced by dislike of both parties. Being Manning's punching bag for a decade comes with it's share of dark underside, especially watching him run up the score in the 4th quarter of a blowout game to pad his stats. Obviously, the Bud angle speaks for itself.

If he does sign with the Titans, I do think that he's pandering to his ego, though. He's not interested in rings by signing with Tennessee. They simply do not have the talent right now to make a run, even with the 'Greatest QB In The History of the World'. And hey, that's fine. It's his career and definitely his right to end it wherever he desires. I just refuse to entertain the delusion that some might have that he thinks he's going to the best team available to win championships.
 
I'm still holding out that the darkhorse 49ers will sign Peyton. They haven't even signed Alex Smith back and reportedly only gave him a 3 year offer. 3 years is what most backups get. In any case, I fully expect Manning to get a ring if he goes to the 49ers. They have a stellar defense, just signed some good WRs, and had a lot of money going into free agency this year. They could make it happen and it's a better situation than any other team in the hunt.
 
Dutchrudder said:
I'm still holding out that the darkhorse 49ers will sign Peyton. They haven't even signed Alex Smith back and reportedly only gave him a 3 year offer. 3 years is what most backups get. In any case, I fully expect Manning to get a ring if he goes to the 49ers. They have a stellar defense, just signed some good WRs, and had a lot of money going into free agency this year. They could make it happen and it's a better situation than any other team in the hunt.
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You may get your wish.

Chris Mortensen ‏ @mortreport
quote:
Filed to ESPN: Third team in Manning race that has emerged is 49ers - Manning worked out for Harbaugh & took physical this week #NFL32
 
Dutchrudder said:
I'm still holding out that the darkhorse 49ers will sign Peyton. They haven't even signed Alex Smith back and reportedly only gave him a 3 year offer. 3 years is what most backups get. In any case, I fully expect Manning to get a ring if he goes to the 49ers. They have a stellar defense, just signed some good WRs, and had a lot of money going into free agency this year. They could make it happen and it's a better situation than any other team in the hunt.
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Never say never but remind me again, in the history of the game, how many qbs have won SBs with two or more teams?
 
jaayteetx said:
Never say never but remind me again, in the history of the game, how many qbs have won SBs with two or more teams?
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A better question is how many Superbowl winning QBs have signed on to start for teams that won 13 games and made their conferences championship?

Closest thing to it was Joe Montana signing with KC in 93 after they went 10-6 and got bounced in the first round. That following year they went 11-5 and lost in the conference championship to Buffalo.

So, not a good idea to point to that as some kind of example of the lack of probability, as there have been few, if any cases of Superbowl winning QBs ever signing onto start for contending teams after leaving their original team.
 
I just hope he doesn't end up on the Titans. Assuming he's healthy...

With Peyton on Titans: The Texans will likely need to win 11 or 12 games to take the AFC South in 2012. Without Peyton on the Titans, 9 or 10 wins will do it.

The schedule looks much tougher on paper compared to last year but that's always deceiving before free agency and the draft are over.
 
jaayteetx said:
Never say never but remind me again, in the history of the game, how many qbs have won SBs with two or more teams?
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The only thing lacking from SF last year was great QB play. They are returning all 11 defensive starters and a good portion of their offense. If they can get Peyton and sign Alex Smith as a backup, they will be set. Plenty of opportunities to address depth in the draft, and find another good WR and Olinemen. That team would be unstoppable with a healthy Peyton.
 
Trap_Star said:
9ers + peyton = SB
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This is a team realizing that they have a prime opportunity to take control of the NFC. Signed Moss and most likely will sign either Lloyd or Manningham. 3 backs that really complement each other well. An elite TE....... Wow, I'd like to see him go there just to see how exciting that team would be.

With all 11 starters returning on defense the offense doesn't even need to score a lot of points. If I'm Peyton I go there. I know he doesn't want to block his brother's road to the Super Bowl, but Eli will have a good 5-6 years after Peyton hangs it up to still add more titles.
 
jaayteetx said:
Never say never but remind me again, in the history of the game, how many qbs have won SBs with two or more teams?
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I posted this earlier this week.

Exactly NONE!

(although there have been a handful of guys that were quarterbacks for two different Super Bowl teams but they either didn't start or they lost the second Super Bowl i.e. Kurt Warner).
 
Texan_Bill said:
I posted this earlier this week.

Exactly NONE!

(although there have been a handful of guys that were quarterbacks for two different Super Bowl teams but they either didn't start or they lost the second Super Bowl i.e. Kurt Warner).
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Wow, how did I forget about Warner?

Either way, it doesn't affect Peyton's chances at all.
 
Trap_Star said:
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I'm still hopin for a Texan/Niner SB, with a TEXAN WIN!! That said, the Niners seem to be on the right path, not to sure about our Texans anymore! BUT, no news is sometimes good new's, so I'll just continue waiting to see what happens.
 
I want him on the 49ers. And if he isn't on the 49ers, I want him on the Broncos.

We don't need any bad mojo with him finding ways to make us pay by being on the Titans. I don't think he's as dead-in-the-water as some try to portray here.

I hope he goes to the 49ers. That's in the NFC, far away from us and we can meet up with him in the Super Bowl and crush his soul once and for all.
 
GP said:
I want him on the 49ers. And if he isn't on the 49ers, I want him on the Broncos.

We don't need any bad mojo with him finding ways to make us pay by being on the Titans. I don't think he's as dead-in-the-water as some try to portray here.

I hope he goes to the 49ers. That's in the NFC, far away from us and we can meet up with him in the Super Bowl and crush his soul once and for all.
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Agreed.

However, I feel like the 49ers pursuit of him will reignite the argument that the home team should take a look at him as well. People argue their situations are similar, but SF doesn't have a starting qb under contract right now. We do. Cap room is also another big difference.

Still, I think there's something to be said about the 49er's interest in him, and the home team's complete disregard of his availability(assuming they were never interested in him in the first place).
 
Yeah but, will Harbaugh let him take reigns of the offense? He's a pretty big control freak.

I'd love to see them get Peyton.
 
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