badboy
Hall of Fame
I think Saturday is 37. Myers is a center only but Briesel can play OG + center.
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Peyton Manning Derby (Signs with Broncos)
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Kimmy
RealGirls LvFB!
Peyton to the Titans would be a disaster. I'm sorry folks, we won the division last year due to two things;
1 - No Peyton Manning
2 - Ease of schedule
Just the mere fact Bud is making so much noise about wanting him should IMPLORE the Texans to at least talk to him while he is in our hometown.
Our schedule is BRUTAL next year, and guess what, Peyton has played and won against them.
IF he has told people he wants to come here, why stick our thumb in his eye? What is the harm in at least talking the man (the myth, the legend *note sarcasm)?
I'm on board with trying to make it work, but also realize it probably wouldn't. If he signs with the Titans and comes back around kicking our ass twice a year, I will be typing "told ya" so".
1 - No Peyton Manning
2 - Ease of schedule
Just the mere fact Bud is making so much noise about wanting him should IMPLORE the Texans to at least talk to him while he is in our hometown.
Our schedule is BRUTAL next year, and guess what, Peyton has played and won against them.
IF he has told people he wants to come here, why stick our thumb in his eye? What is the harm in at least talking the man (the myth, the legend *note sarcasm)?
I'm on board with trying to make it work, but also realize it probably wouldn't. If he signs with the Titans and comes back around kicking our ass twice a year, I will be typing "told ya" so".
texanmojo
Shotgun 30 Time
Damn. I've always liked Schaub. Didn't realize his stats were that impressive. Thanks!
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Yeah, it's like that!!! Revisionist history will always trump actual history. With that said, a healthy Manning over Schaub would obviously give the Texans a better chance. Then again, let's not act like (not you specifically) Schaub is some sort of chopped liver.
GP
Go Texans!
What if.....
The reason Peyton is having to meet the Titans in Houston is because Peyton said he's going to talk to the Texans, too, so he'll make one stop in Houston and take care of both teams in the process???
In essence, he isn't going to go all the way to Tennessee to talk to The Adams Family. He's making THEM come to him, in Houston. He's basically saying, "OK, I'll talk to you...but only because I'm already due in Houston anyways."
Otherwise, why make Munchak & Co. come to Houston in the first place? I think it's hilarious.
Just trying to stir the pot a little bit. Bwah-ha-ha-ha! BWAH-HA-HA-HA!!! (Evil laughter).
The reason Peyton is having to meet the Titans in Houston is because Peyton said he's going to talk to the Texans, too, so he'll make one stop in Houston and take care of both teams in the process???
In essence, he isn't going to go all the way to Tennessee to talk to The Adams Family. He's making THEM come to him, in Houston. He's basically saying, "OK, I'll talk to you...but only because I'm already due in Houston anyways."
Otherwise, why make Munchak & Co. come to Houston in the first place? I think it's hilarious.
Just trying to stir the pot a little bit. Bwah-ha-ha-ha! BWAH-HA-HA-HA!!! (Evil laughter).
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
I'm a Schaub guy. Love the way he runs the offense. If I'm kicking my starting QB to the curb, I want to do more than kick the tires on Manning. Heck I want to start the engine and take him for a test drive.
Can he boot?
Can he sell the waggle?
I need to see him do more than do a 3 step drop and throw slants and posts.
Can he boot?
Can he sell the waggle?
I need to see him do more than do a 3 step drop and throw slants and posts.
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
This.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Peyton may be one of the few QBs around less mobile than Schaub but the boot doesn't actually rely that much on mobility as seen by Schaub very effectively utilizing it. It is about deception. It isn't the option.
Peyton and Schaub have the two best play fakes in the NFL. People can debate in which order.
GP
Go Texans!
If Arian Foster is the guy on the receiving end of Peyton's stretch run/pass play...then it is Arian Foster who is the key.
Nobody really respected Manning's stretch play in 2010 because the Colts had no run game of any real consequence to make defenses pay attention to it.
Manning/Foster would be killer diller on Manning's stretch play. It would replace the boot, IMO. It's basically a slow QB's "option play" whereby the D never knows if the RB will get the ball or the QB will pull it down and do something with it. I think it'd be damn deadly.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Wait. We're missing a key thing here in all the Manning talk. If we get him, do you think Kubiak would let him audible at the line? 
LOL
LOL
Kimmy
RealGirls LvFB!
Wait. We're missing a key thing here in all the Manning talk. If we get him, do you think Kubiak would let him audible at the line?
Ole Miss Texan just solved it. That's it, ain't never gonna happen. Nope, no way
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
This past Saturday, NFL Network was showing the top 10 best football moves and the play action pass was one of them and it was all but an ode to Peyton Manning. All I kept thinking was, oh if we had that running our offense. Then I thought, Sage Rosenfels was pretty awesome at faking the camera guy too.
Kimmy
RealGirls LvFB!
Chris Mortensen (who broke the Peyton release story) has been sending not so subtle messages about Peyton to Texans on NFL32.
I still think Peyton is "speaking" through Chris.
A month before Peyton was released it was speculated we were #1 on his list. Gonna be interesting to watch.
GP
Go Texans!
For all we know, the Texans have known for awhile now what number they have to come up with to sign Peyton Manning...but they didn't go about the business of actually making the cuts (Leinart, Winston, and maybe more to come...) until just now.
The re-structure of AJ's contract might have been Step 1. After that, the Texans had to decide if they wanted to part ways with Winston and Leinart to enact Parts 2 and 3 of the plan.
So up until the time the Texans actually pull the trigger on those steps, Peyton is out there shaking hands and smiling for the camera...wondering if the TExans will make the money moves they needed to make in order to pay him.
This would place Manning at QB1, Yates at QB2, and Schaub as a rehab guy who will try to take some snaps at some point in 2012 if he's lucky enough to do so.
When Schefter bluntly tweets that X is not because of Y, it comes off (to me) as more of Schefter being irritated at the sudden moves by the Texans. As if he's maybe wondering if there's stuff he doesn't know about. With it being his job to have the inside scoop, he'd freak out if he was wrong all along on THIS story.
Again, just saying what is possible. The historically proven "way" of the Texans has been to roll with what they have and replace (modestly) when most needed. I personally don't think Kubiak is scared to throw Yates out there as QB1. It'd make more sense to surround him with a better o-lineman than Winston, and maybe even grab a better WR2 and let Walter feast at WR3.
GP
Go Texans!
If I'm Chris Myers, and I'm told by Kubiak and Smith that Peyton Manning might become the QB here...I might just decide to trust the front office when they say they'll "take care of me" in a future re-structure of my own.
Players will do things like this if they love the game more than the dough, and if it means they get to the Super Bowl. For all our crying about how McNair has built a team of choir boys...these guys are of good character and support the mission of the team as a whole.
I cannot imagine any of them not bowing down a bit if it meant having arguably the most cerebral QB in the history of the game as their QB in 2012. With a forehead that big, it has to contain a large brain. Or an alien who is controlling him like some animatronic borg or something.
Players will do things like this if they love the game more than the dough, and if it means they get to the Super Bowl. For all our crying about how McNair has built a team of choir boys...these guys are of good character and support the mission of the team as a whole.
I cannot imagine any of them not bowing down a bit if it meant having arguably the most cerebral QB in the history of the game as their QB in 2012. With a forehead that big, it has to contain a large brain. Or an alien who is controlling him like some animatronic borg or something.
Kimmy
RealGirls LvFB!
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Yeah his stats are great. If this were fantasy football he is a top 3 QB. But reality says he has won 31 games and lost 32 and 8-14 in the division.
Of course if you believe 610am it's all the defenses fault.
Quick, someone call Tom Brady and Manning that you can't win with crappy defenses!
drs23
Veteran
Yeah Kimmy, I think we all saw that. Hadn't looked at it as #18 using the Mortster as a mouthpiece.
It's interesting to watch already.
michaelm
vox nihili
A few people here have stated that the Texans won't pursue Manning because it's not their normal MO. It's not the way the Texans do business.
Does the surprising release of Winston, and the rumored potential release of DeMeco indicate to you guys that this might not be your grand daddy's Texans?
Maybe they aren't going about business the way the Texans have historically gone about business?
I really don't expect the Texans to sign Manning, but I keep having the same thought...
I can't fully expect the Texans to do business the way they normally do, because this team has never been where it is at this moment.
One or two key players from being odds on favorites to win the whole damn shooting match.
IMO, this is not the time for business as usual. Windows of opportunity like the one the Texans currently find themselves in do not happen often.
Now, more than ever, is the time for this franchise to push their chips to the middle of the table.
Does the surprising release of Winston, and the rumored potential release of DeMeco indicate to you guys that this might not be your grand daddy's Texans?
Maybe they aren't going about business the way the Texans have historically gone about business?
I really don't expect the Texans to sign Manning, but I keep having the same thought...
I can't fully expect the Texans to do business the way they normally do, because this team has never been where it is at this moment.
One or two key players from being odds on favorites to win the whole damn shooting match.
IMO, this is not the time for business as usual. Windows of opportunity like the one the Texans currently find themselves in do not happen often.
Now, more than ever, is the time for this franchise to push their chips to the middle of the table.
aussie_texan
Veteran
can't say i agree with this.
were moving forward every year why not stay the course.
If u go by the mantra of "if your not getting better your getting worse".
Well even if the texans don't sign anyone they will be better then last year.
- a full off-season for the defence to improve
- schaub should be back healthy
- AJ back
- foster to have a full pre-season
- draft picks.
i think getting manning will write off this year because our entire offence will change or need to be taught.
getting manning is the wrong move. IMO
michaelm
vox nihili
I don't completely disagree with you, and I do tend to agree with the idea of staying the course, but there are two things I don't agree with you on.
I am not confident AT ALL that Schaub will be back and healthy when the season begins, and I have a feeling that he might miss significant time, despite the rainbows and unicorns spouting from the Texans PR machine.
I also disagree that the season would be a write off if Manning joins the team.
We played a significant part of last season with a fifth round rookie, who had zero exposure to the NFL before last year, and he was able to operate the offense. I do acknowledge that he played in a similar system in college, however.
Yates' college experience notwithstanding, I think Manning and the offensive players could get on the same page before the first game, at least enough to score as much as the team did with Yates, and probably more for the first few games, then we would more than likely see the best offense in team history for 10-11 games, IMO.
aussie_texan
Veteran
thats a fair point. what i really mean is that manning will want to run the show and probably call most plays which i don't think kubiack will want.
calling it a write off may be an exaggeration on my part
badboy
Hall of Fame
I see no reason that PM and Kubes could not work out the offense due to respect each has for the other. I think Gary would love to have a QB that could advance the Kubiak game plan. What I think is a possibility is extending Matt's deal and lowering his cap and allow him more time to recover. I'd be very cool with having Manning and Schaub on the roster.
We now have cap savings:
Andre's "re-structure" $5.2m
Winston $4.2
Leinert $2.5m base (not sure of actual cap)
= $11.9m
Mario $20m = $32m and does not include JJ or other possible cuts.
ckhouston
Veteran
Every year that Peyton started the Pro Bowl, he contacted the offensive coach and asked for the offense that coach ran so he could learn the entire system by the time the game came around. He can run any offense, not just his, but I do believe he would have more freedom to change plays and make calls from the line of scrimmage.
Kimmy
RealGirls LvFB!
@AdamSchefter
Despite speculation that Houston still could make a run at Peyton Manning, the Texans have no plans to pursue the free-agent QB.
Despite speculation that Houston still could make a run at Peyton Manning, the Texans have no plans to pursue the free-agent QB.
ckhouston
Veteran
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
McNair brought up Manning today and poopoo'ed any thoughts of Manning to Texans. Stated that you don't know how healthy Manning is and that they had their guy in Schaub. Also didn't sound like they were going to be able to retain Mario (good)
You do understand that pro bowl coaches bring a very small part of their playbooks to teach these guys in a couple of days, yeah? I do not see your example of indicative of anything other than Manning learning a few plays in a meaningless exhibition game that nobody really bothers to play.
fiasco west
All Pro
Schefter is probably the most reliable guy when it comes to insiders as well. He must have some great sources.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Have you ever watched the Pro-Bowl? It's sandlot football. They draw plays in the dirt. There isn't a system or playbook. What the hell is the matter with people losing their freaking minds over this freaking QB? The Texans aren't in the running, never were, and never needed to be. Anyone who thinks otherwise, please go work for the Tennessee Titans so that they never win another game.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
As long as they land a starting quality backup to replace Fragile Mattie when he gets put on IR, then the Texans should be fine without Peyton.
Unless this is some kind of trick to land Drew Brees.
Unless this is some kind of trick to land Drew Brees.
As long as they land a starting quality backup to replace Fragile Mattie when he gets put on IR, then the Texans should be fine without Peyton.
Unless this is some kind of trick to land Drew Brees.
Brees was franchised .....
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Obviously this means Manning, Wayne, Clark, and Saturday are headed here. We probably trade for Freeney as well. Bullitt and Addai are also FA's.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
lol, calm yourself.
If a player like Peyton Manning is available, I don't give a **** who you have under center, you look into it. And I guarantee every team except Green Bay, New England, and New Orleans had at least one single thought about Peyton. Whether that means looking up his stats, calling up an agent, even asking a question to someone else in the front office while taking a bite out of a doughnut.
You and people like you need to stop with this bull****.
If a player like Peyton Manning is available, I don't give a **** who you have under center, you look into it. And I guarantee every team except Green Bay, New England, and New Orleans had at least one single thought about Peyton. Whether that means looking up his stats, calling up an agent, even asking a question to someone else in the front office while taking a bite out of a doughnut.
You and people like you need to stop with this bull****.
From everything McNair said today (Peyton wants to come here, he says he's only 80-85%, not going to work out for any teams), it does sound like him or Rick Smith have had "conversations" with Peyton's people. It just looks like based on Schaub's progress, the risk of not knowing exactly where Manning's at, and our current cap situation wasn't worth even engaging in serious talks of bringing him here.
Judging by our bleak cap status I'd say that was probably the only route for us to go. If we're just able to re-sign Myers and Brisiel out of all of this I'll be satisfied. Its not looking too good right now though.
Judging by our bleak cap status I'd say that was probably the only route for us to go. If we're just able to re-sign Myers and Brisiel out of all of this I'll be satisfied. Its not looking too good right now though.
majestrate
Rookie
In that same interview, he talks about how each year they work to make the team better. That if a position can be improved by bringing in someone else, they'll do it. Now, he started out referring to the coaching staff (F Bush vs W Phillips), but he definitely applied it to players/positions too.
In the long run, IMO, Peyton is the better choice. But I'm biased, I still think Schaub is a choke artist.