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O'Brien You need to deliver... yesterday.

76Texan said:
Tex,

You want me to give you a solution for this year, yet you said Osweiler needs time to gel with his teammates.

What is it?
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Read my posts again. I've explained that. It is you that isn't explaining things. I'm not going to keep responding to you until you answer my question that you keep dodging man. Have a good day.
 
76Texan said:
Yes, but did you ever stop and think that if we traded the pick for Hopkins, we could get Matthews and all the extras?

But true, it's best that Hopkins has the local support as long as he's a Texan.

You guys have ought to think that I'm always thinking along the line of a GM.
How to build a competitive team for the long run.

The backlashes are all good, and I'm well aware of them before I started the threads.

Let's get to the point.

There are others, not just you, Tex, who wants to ask me about other option regarding this year, and this year alone.

To me, that is not fair, if not outrageous.

Considering for example, your own thinking that this offense needs some time to gel.
What does that mean?
I'll let you answer that first.
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It means that the team is not going to look as polished as some of the top teams in the league when the season starts and they may take the better share of the season to get to that point.

If the defense can hold up without JJ Watt or three quarters of himself when he returns,than that will go along way to deciding if we are at least as good as last season in the W-L department.

I think Brock and the offense will do a good but not great job this season. Maybe they will show signs of greatness but it is not likely they are great this season.

Bill O'Brien is a quality head coach and our coaching staff is a quality staff as well. Whatever successes or failures we may have hinge on QB, the defense without JJ early, the growing pains of our young offensive weapons and a patchwork offensive line.

I choose to be optimistic and I can see us finish as good as 10-6 this season. What would happen in the playoffs depends on who we would play, the overall health of the team and matchups.
 
I have had a fair number of suggestions since 2006, not in hindsight.
It has been year after year, and after year.

And it has always been about building a Texans team that all of us can be proud of.

There are always options
Texecutioner said:
Read my posts again. I've explained that. It is you that isn't explaining things. I'm not going to keep responding to you until you answer my question that you keep dodging man. Have a good day.
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The problem is you're asking for quick fix, and I am totally against quick fix.
 
76Texan said:
I have had a fair number of suggestions since 2006, not in hindsight.
It has been year after year, and after year.

And it has always been about building a Texans team that all of us can be proud of.

There are always options

The problem is you're asking for quick fix, and I am totally against quick fix.
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I do not agree in temporary fix.
I had agreed on Schaub, so that the HC can build his team.
I kept on looking for solutions right as Schaub was on the team.
 
76Texan said:
The problem is you're asking for quick fix, and I am totally against quick fix.
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I'll take this as confirmation that you realize that there wasn't any better option than Brock since you haven't listed any other scenarios. Your complaints at this point aren't valid. Congrats on getting us all to respond and waste our time, but this thread stinks at this point.
 
Here is a fact. Brock Osweiler is THE MAN this year. Like it or not. Get behind him and show some support. All this Negative Nancy garbage is doing absolutely no good. This thread should be dead.
 
Texecutioner said:
I'll take this as confirmation that you realize that there wasn't any better option than Brock since you haven't listed any other scenarios. Your complaints at this point aren't valid. Congrats on getting us all to respond and waste our time, but this thread stinks at this point.
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If you decide that the short term option is the best for your team.

Not only that, it can drag on for years.
 
JamTex said:
Here is a fact. Brock Osweiler is THE MAN this year. Like it or not. Get behind him and show some support. All this Negative Nancy garbage is doing absolutely no good. This thread should be dead.
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Lol

Not everyone's a Rah Rah fan, better get used to it around here.

Some are piss and moan and whine and cry no matter how well we play.
 
76Texan said:
If you decide that the short term option is the best for your team.

Not only that, it can drag on for years.
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The question about options should be reserved for the guys like O'Brien and Rick Smith and McNair.

It's not right to try to corner me in a situation where it was never my "planning".

You crapped the bed, and you expect me to clean it up everytime?
 
JamTex said:
Here is a fact. Brock Osweiler is THE MAN this year. Like it or not. Get behind him and show some support. All this Negative Nancy garbage is doing absolutely no good. This thread should be dead.
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Let me ask you something seriously.

What was your stand every year since 2007 or so?
 
JamTex said:
Here is a fact. Brock Osweiler is THE MAN this year. Like it or not. Get behind him and show some support. All this Negative Nancy garbage is doing absolutely no good. This thread should be dead.
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I agree with you.

Open letter to Brock -

I'm a big fan and hope to see you have a big year. I know there are quite a few 'fans' that don't want or expect you to do well here. I apologize for them. I'm thrilled you chose to come here and left Denver in the sorry quarterback state they are now in. They sure hate to admit they BLEW IT with you. You were treated horribly and I wish everyone here would back you like I do.

I know you are still learning a very complicated system.

I have an eleven year old son that is a fan and if you want to shoot us some tickets and make a media event out of this, go right ahead.

Work hard and good things will come your way,

RickInHouston
 
76Texan said:
Let me ask you something seriously.

What was your stand every year since 2007 or so?
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I've watched every game since the inception of the Texans. Like all of us, I've had my ups and downs. There have been trades, picking up free agents, drafts, all of the transactions we've seen through the years that I've both agreed and disagreed with. I've been picked up and let down by this team just like all of us fans. We are not the owner, GM or head coach. We can't do anything about the players selected that we will watch every year. Every year will be different. We will watch a new team on the field every year. It's exactly the same with every team in the NFL. Change is a constant.
Seeing that these facts are out of our control, we must endure.
Since I have been watching the Texans, I have never seen as much excitement. This is a different team than we have ever seen. The defense is back almost in it's entirety. That equates to cohesion and maturity in each position. However, the offense is almost entirely new. Speed and a viable quarterback was the prerequisite to this season by the GM and coaching staff as well as the ownership and us fans. We got all of that this year.
This is going to be different.
We won't know what will happen this year until we see it.
As far as 2007 until now, I agreed with letting Kubiak go. He was too soft once he got the lead, and often lost that lead as a result. That drove me crazy. I hated that "take your foot off the pedal" mentality.
I liked the hiring of O'brien and RAC. I saw that as a new beginning for the Texans and a different look from what we saw from the previous coaches.
Now things will be really different.
This is a year to be excited about.
 
Texecutioner said:
I'll take this as confirmation that you realize that there wasn't any better option than Brock since you haven't listed any other scenarios. Your complaints at this point aren't valid. Congrats on getting us all to respond and waste our time, but this thread stinks at this point.
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Michael Vick was the short term answer. Hahaha have OR maybe Matt Flynn.
Not:
We made the right choice and Ole buddy will be happy all over again. Sometimes a bad breakup could leave a joker bitter for a long time.
 
76Texan said:
I have had a fair number of suggestions since 2006, not in hindsight.
It has been year after year, and after year.

And it has always been about building a Texans team that all of us can be proud of.

There are always options

The problem is you're asking for quick fix, and I am totally against quick fix.
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Your "I'm the smartest guy in the room" shtick needs some refinement.
 
JamTex said:
I've watched every game since the inception of the Texans. Like all of us, I've had my ups and downs. There have been trades, picking up free agents, drafts, all of the transactions we've seen through the years that I've both agreed and disagreed with. I've been picked up and let down by this team just like all of us fans. We are not the owner, GM or head coach. We can't do anything about the players selected that we will watch every year. Every year will be different. We will watch a new team on the field every year. It's exactly the same with every team in the NFL. Change is a constant.
Seeing that these facts are out of our control, we must endure.
Since I have been watching the Texans, I have never seen as much excitement. This is a different team than we have ever seen. The defense is back almost in it's entirety. That equates to cohesion and maturity in each position. However, the offense is almost entirely new. Speed and a viable quarterback was the prerequisite to this season by the GM and coaching staff as well as the ownership and us fans. We got all of that this year.
This is going to be different.
We won't know what will happen this year until we see it.
As far as 2007 until now, I agreed with letting Kubiak go. He was too soft once he got the lead, and often lost that lead as a result. That drove me crazy. I hated that "take your foot off the pedal" mentality.
I liked the hiring of O'brien and RAC. I saw that as a new beginning for the Texans and a different look from what we saw from the previous coaches.
Now things will be really different.
This is a year to be excited about.
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We'll said brother
 
76Texan said:
I do not agree in temporary fix.
I had agreed on Schaub, so that the HC can build his team.
I kept on looking for solutions right as Schaub was on the team.
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Are you in the front office of the Texans? Do you have anything to do with player selection? If not, your suggestions and solutions mean nothing. You can suggest all you want on a message board. It still means nothing. You are not the "smartest guy in the room". As a matter of fact, you sound to me like an arrogant ass hole that thinks he knows it all.
Until you're in the front office and have something to do with player scouting, recruiting and picks, then you need to quiet your belief that you are so much smarter then the professionals. You can obviously disagree with the front office as many of us do, but telling us the Texans should select "____" for this position is just your opinion.
Nothing more.
You are not, and never will be the foremost authority in the NFL. So stop trying to convince us that you are.
 
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JamTex said:
Are you in the front office of the Texans? Do you have anything to do with player selection? If not, your suggestions mean nothing. You can suggest all you want on a message board. It still means nothing. You are not the "smartest guy in the room". As a matter of fact, you sound to me like an arrogant ass hole that thinks he knows it all.
Until you're in the front office and have something to do with player scouting, recruiting and picks, then you need to quiet your belief that you are so much smarter then the professionals. You can obviously disagree with the front office as many of us do, but telling us the Texans should select "____" for this position is just your opinion.
Nothing more.
You are not, and never will be the foremost authority in the NFL. So stop trying to convince us that you are.
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I don't think there is a problem for someone in here who wants to criticize moves made by the front office. Lord knows the Texans organization has been pretty bad at it over the years, but the problem with him is that he won't even say "what he would have done" that would have been better. I asked several times, and he refused to answer, so my only conclusion was that he was just looking to get people stirred up in here.
 
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JamTex said:
I've watched every game since the inception of the Texans. Like all of us, I've had my ups and downs. There have been trades, picking up free agents, drafts, all of the transactions we've seen through the years that I've both agreed and disagreed with. I've been picked up and let down by this team just like all of us fans. We are not the owner, GM or head coach. We can't do anything about the players selected that we will watch every year. Every year will be different. We will watch a new team on the field every year. It's exactly the same with every team in the NFL. Change is a constant.
Seeing that these facts are out of our control, we must endure.
Since I have been watching the Texans, I have never seen as much excitement. This is a different team than we have ever seen. The defense is back almost in it's entirety. That equates to cohesion and maturity in each position. However, the offense is almost entirely new. Speed and a viable quarterback was the prerequisite to this season by the GM and coaching staff as well as the ownership and us fans. We got all of that this year.
This is going to be different.
We won't know what will happen this year until we see it.
As far as 2007 until now, I agreed with letting Kubiak go. He was too soft once he got the lead, and often lost that lead as a result. That drove me crazy. I hated that "take your foot off the pedal" mentality.
I liked the hiring of O'brien and RAC. I saw that as a new beginning for the Texans and a different look from what we saw from the previous coaches.
Now things will be really different.
This is a year to be excited about.
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I agree with most of this post.

Especially the part about Kubiak.

Hiring BOB/RAC really isn't a new begining due to the fact that the Profiteer (McNair) and the Godfather (Smith) still run the team.
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't think Mcnair controls this stuff the way you do, but I don't like Mcnair at all. I think he is one of the top 5 dumbest owners in the NFL, but for different reasons. I think Mcnair is lazy, and gets anxiety over the idea of having to work with another GM for one.
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What I can't stand about McNair... as much money as he's got, would it be so hard to buy a suit that fits?
 
Texecutioner said:
I'm not responding to this junk any further. 3 of us pretty much explained it as easy as it can be explained with fact based stats that you completely ignored so I'll just continue to call it a troll comment that you're using for the sake of arguing which is weird.
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Trolling...

I say the difference between the #1 defense/#16 offense winning the Super Bowl & the #3 defense/#19 offense being blown out 0-30 at home in the wildcard round is coaching & you say I'm trolling.

:ok:
 
thunderkyss said:
Trolling...

I say the difference between the #1 defense/#16 offense winning the Super Bowl & the #3 defense/#19 offense being blown out 0-30 at home in the wildcard round is coaching & you say I'm trolling.

:ok:
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You were throwing out bait to get responses. You tend to do that from time to time. Not sure why.
 
thunderkyss said:
Trolling...

I say the difference between the #1 defense/#16 offense winning the Super Bowl & the #3 defense/#19 offense being blown out 0-30 at home in the wildcard round is coaching & you say I'm trolling.

:ok:
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Thanks you hoyerrific, Hoyerrible and hoyerrendous. Thank you coach for not yanking that scrub.
 
JamTex said:
Are you in the front office of the Texans? Do you have anything to do with player selection? If not, your suggestions and solutions mean nothing. You can suggest all you want on a message board. It still means nothing. You are not the "smartest guy in the room". As a matter of fact, you sound to me like an arrogant ass hole that thinks he knows it all.
Until you're in the front office and have something to do with player scouting, recruiting and picks, then you need to quiet your belief that you are so much smarter then the professionals. You can obviously disagree with the front office as many of us do, but telling us the Texans should select "____" for this position is just your opinion.
Nothing more.
You are not, and never will be the foremost authority in the NFL. So stop trying to convince us that you are.
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Ever heard of The First Amendment?

You sure sound like a narrow-minded condescending communist that think he has the right to tell other people what to do.
 
Texecutioner said:
I'll take this as confirmation that you realize that there thwasn't any better option than Brock since you haven't listed any other scenarios. Your complaints at this point aren't valid. Congrats on getting us all to respond and waste our time, but this thread stinks at this point.
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It's not right that you keep trying to put words in my mouth.

Every year, even when Schaub was here, we discuss the QB situation through the off-season, mostly in the draft forum, which you don't frequent.

To me (and some others), if O'Brien wanted Fitz here as a stop gap then he needed to find a better prospect than Tom Savage to groom.

I didn't want to take Bortles high as he's in the Tannehill mold.
I'd rather go with Bridgewater, Derek Carr, or Jimmy G.
The thing with Carr was that it wouldn't go too well with the fans.
Bridgewater is also a middle-of-the-road kind of guy, but at a lower cost than guys that went high like Tannehill or Bortles.
Jimmy G. was much harder to judge because there were not as much tape on him, and they were not against top competition.
(I liked him a lot, but unless I had more looks at him, it always feel like more risk than it should be.
NFL teams would have that type of resource, and on that end, we have to admit that it makes it harder for amateurs like us to evaluate this type of prospect.)

If we have enough of resources, we can really decide whether we should take Jimmy G.
Let's assume that we did, and since a team like the Patriots did take him in the second (meaning that he does have potential), I would go for him because I liked him better on tapes than Bridgewater.

Otherwise, I would be happy trading away the top pick for a play at Winston or Mariota the next year.
And then the what-if can keep on the following years.

But as it was, the Texans decided to risk injury with Clowney and Savage, it becomes harder the next year, and the next next year.
 
76Texan said:
Ever heard of The First Amendment?

You sure sound like a narrow-minded condescending communist that think he has the right to tell other people what to do.
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Now this is a true troll response. What a smart guy you are.
 
Maybe you should read my post that you quoted a little closer. It does not tell you to shut up or quit posting. It does, however, state that you are far from being an expert and being the one making roster decisions.
Wait. Do you know how to comprehend what you read? Or do you just interpret what you read the way you want to?
Which ever is the case, you completely missed the point of my post.
 
JamTex said:
Maybe you should read my post that you quoted a little closer. It does not tell you to shut up or quit posting. It does, however, state that you are far from being an expert and being the one making roster decisions.
Wait. Do you know how to comprehend what you read? Or do you just interpret what you read the way you want to?
Which ever is the case, you completely missed the point of my post.
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76 is good poster and spends a lot of time analyzing plays.

He's in a funk over the current state of the Texans but unlike some others on here he always roots for them to win and hopes their decisions come to fruition even if he doesn't agree.

You'll spend all your time on here arguing semantics if you're not careful.
 
JamTex said:
Are you in the front office of the Texans? Do you have anything to do with player selection? If not, your suggestions and solutions mean nothing. You can suggest all you want on a message board. It still means nothing. You are not the "smartest guy in the room". As a matter of fact, you sound to me like an arrogant ass hole that thinks he knows it all.
Until you're in the front office and have something to do with player scouting, recruiting and picks, then you need to quiet your belief that you are so much smarter then the professionals. You can obviously disagree with the front office as many of us do, but telling us the Texans should select "____" for this position is just your opinion.
Nothing more.
You are not, and never will be the foremost authority in the NFL. So stop trying to convince us that you are.
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I don't know how you interpret that yourself.
 
76Texan said:
To me (and some others), if O'Brien wanted Fitz here as a stop gap then he needed to find a better prospect than Tom Savage to groom.

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I believe Fitzpatrick was a bridge "stop gap" to Hoyer. He never had any intention of Drafting a QB in either draft because he thought he could win with Hoyer.

So here we are now, three years later... I doubt he'll trust our season to a rookie. & Tom Savage has no real game experience. We drop $37M on a guy Smith has been wanting since 2012.
 
76Texan said:
It's not right that you keep trying to put words in my mouth.

Every year, even when Schaub was here, we discuss the QB situation through the off-season, mostly in the draft forum, which you don't frequent.

To me (and some others), if O'Brien wanted Fitz here as a stop gap then he needed to find a better prospect than Tom Savage to groom.

I didn't want to take Bortles high as he's in the Tannehill mold.
I'd rather go with Bridgewater, Derek Carr, or Jimmy G.
The thing with Carr was that it wouldn't go too well with the fans.
Bridgewater is also a middle-of-the-road kind of guy, but at a lower cost than guys that went high like Tannehill or Bortles.
Jimmy G. was much harder to judge because there were not as much tape on him, and they were not against top competition.
(I liked him a lot, but unless I had more looks at him, it always feel like more risk than it should be.
NFL teams would have that type of resource, and on that end, we have to admit that it makes it harder for amateurs like us to evaluate this type of prospect.)

If we have enough of resources, we can really decide whether we should take Jimmy G.
Let's assume that we did, and since a team like the Patriots did take him in the second (meaning that he does have potential), I would go for him because I liked him better on tapes than Bridgewater.

Otherwise, I would be happy trading away the top pick for a play at Winston or Mariota the next year.
And then the what-if can keep on the following years.

But as it was, the Texans decided to risk injury with Clowney and Savage, it becomes harder the next year, and the next next year.
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Your troll thread was a fail man. I wasted time even responding to you earlier. You had your chance to say what you would have done, and you brought nothing. Beat it.
 
No more rant. Believe as you will and I will continue to believe as I will.
Let's just have fun enjoying our Texans this year.
 
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76Texan said:
I leave the content blank for now.

It's just unfathomable how the Texans fans have been giving O'Brien a pass.
(OK, I'm stirring up the pot again)

But really, why has this board been so quiet; the quietest I've noticed for a very long time.
Apathy? What?

I'm freaking tired of waiting and hoping.
The main core of players get paid millions of dollars; why should I give them time when they are veterans?

The players were the ones who wanted more pay for performance.
To ask us to be patient is ridiculous.
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Get mad at the owner and GM. That is where the issues are.
 
thunderkyss said:
There is absolutely no reason that team should have won the Super Bowl. Nothing "perfect" about that situation at all.

No one is thinking Denver has a shot at winning the Super Bowl in 2016, where the QB, whoever it is. Will probably perform better than Peyton did last season.

Kubiak coached his butt off to get enough out of his offense to get that defense to the #1 seed in the AFC.
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Agreed. Kubiak and Wade did what John Fox couldn't - win the SuperbOwl with a younger Peyton and just as strong of a defense.
 
ObsiWan said:
Agreed. Kubiak and Wade did what John Fox couldn't - win the SuperbOwl with a younger Peyton and just as strong of a defense.
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No Denver made key additions to the teams defense after Seattle beat the brakes off of them. Mainly in the secondary. Also, last seasons Super Bowl MVP Von Miller, was not healthy in the Super Bowl with Seatle.

Gary Kubiak as of now is a sub par head coach who rode Wade Phillips coaching and John Elways revamped defense with a healthy Von Miller to the Super Bowl title. Peyton got the turnover issues corrected and played close to the vest the way Gary wanted him to and Denvers stellar defense carried them to the title.
 
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JamTex said:
Here is a fact. Brock Osweiler is THE MAN this year. Like it or not. Get behind him and show some support. All this Negative Nancy garbage is doing absolutely no good. This thread should be dead.
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I do not get all the Brock hate. Last season Brock may not have been statistically great but he came to be starter under a tough situation and he steared Denver to a 5-2 record. If you feel the San Diego game was cheapened a little by him being pulled I can agree. So take that game out and he still did well enough to go 4-2 coming in for a injured and poorly performing Peyton Manning. Having to replace a legend in that situation could not have been easy.

Brock is raw but so are the Qb's in our division who we play 2 games apiece. I like our chances with Brock as much or more so than if any of the other Qb's outside of a more proven Andrew Luck were on our team.

Brock may have some struggles this season but that should be expected. I look for him to get better as the season goes on and that is all anyone could ask for or expect.

Brock is in essence our top draft pick and we need to give it a bit of time to see what we have got.

If he fails than I am okay with the move still. We needed to do something at this point and taking the chance to me was worth it.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
No Denver made key additions to the teams defense after Seattle beat the brakes off of them. Mainly in the secondary. Also, last seasons Super Bowl MVP was not healthy in the Super Bowl with Seatle.

Gary Kubiak is a sub par head coach who rode Wade Phillips and John Elways revamped defense with a healthy Von Miller to the Super Bowl title. Peyton got the turnover issues corrected and played close to the vest the way Gary wanted him to and Denvers stellar defense carried them to the title.

The Broncos could have hired a top tier High School head coach to lead the the team and they may have won the title.

Brock Osweiler left the Broncos mainly because he did not like being in Gary Kubiaks system.

As Gary Kubiak is now, no matter who the QB is they would be limited and held back under Gary Kubiak.
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Exactly and thanks for pointing that out. The 2013 Denver defense was ranked 19th and gave up almost 25 points per game. If I remember correctly, Von Miller was still hurt and didn't even play in the Super Bowl. Rahim Moore, remember that guy who the Texans signed and then had the defense get 847 times better once they deactivated him? He was the starting safety on that defense (although didn't play in SB due to injury).

The 2013 and 2015 Denver defenses could not have been any more different.
 
thunderkyss said:
I believe Fitzpatrick was a bridge "stop gap" to Hoyer. He never had any intention of Drafting a QB in either draft because he thought he could win with Hoyer.

So here we are now, three years later... I doubt he'll trust our season to a rookie. & Tom Savage has no real game experience. We drop $37M on a guy Smith has been wanting since 2012.
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Hoyer was also a stop gap, he was the definition of stop gap. Savage has the ability to be a starter, but is injury prone. We would know what we have with Savage had he not gotten hurt again last yr.

37 mil is a middle of the pack starting QB salary. Do you believe Os can be atleast a middle of the pack QB? (I do) So his salary really isn't out of line. Truth is you hate everything that is BOB despite making the playoffs.
 
steelbtexan said:
Hoyer was also a stop gap, he was the definition of stop gap. Savage has the ability to be a starter, but is injury prone. We would know what we have with Savage had he not gotten hurt again last yr.

37 mil is a middle of the pack starting QB salary. Do you believe Os can be atleast a middle of the pack QB? (I do) So his salary really isn't out of line. Truth is you hate everything that is BOB despite making the playoffs.
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Anyone suggesting that Hoyer wasn't brought here to be anything but a stop gap is using that to try and crush Smith and OB. The fact is they did have a winning season despite Hoyer, so technically they did that with 3 different QB's playing. The only guy that the Texans had questions about on whether or not if he could be a starter was Mallet, because he had never gotten his chance and he had a lot of raw talent in his arm. Some of the most talent in the league by far. They missed the opportunity the year before when Mallet went down for the season. They didn't have a great shot at any really good QB's in that off season other than possibly Rivers which is what I wanted at the time, but SD wanted like two 1st rounders and SD really didn't want to get rid of him, but he was trying to push his way out. Hoyer was just another guy to have alongside of Mallet to allow them to compete for the starting job, and Hoyer won that job. The ignorance of the OB bashers want to try and use that to suggest that OB had some dreamy vision that Hoyer was going to be the franchise here which is just false rhetoric that diminishes their reputation as being objective. Its comical propoganda and nothing more. Was OB supposed to come out publicly and say "This is our stop gap guy until we find a real QB" and totally undermine him to the rest of the team? Was he supposed to trash any potential he might have had on a new team and send a message that none of the players should get behind him for the time being that he was going to play there? No responsible NFL HC would have done something like that. Not one that wanted to keep a job or get hired for another one.

The fact is Hoyer played poorly here like most expected. The Texans did pretty well in spite of that, and still made the playoffs. They hate to have to swallow that.
 
Texecutioner said:
Anyone suggesting that Hoyer wasn't brought here to be anything but a stop gap is using that to try and crush Smith and OB. The fact is they did have a winning season despite Hoyer, so technically they did that with 3 different QB's playing. The only guy that the Texans had questions about on whether or not if he could be a starter was Mallet, because he had never gotten his chance and he had a lot of raw talent in his arm. Some of the most talent in the league by far. They missed the opportunity the year before when Mallet went down for the season. They didn't have a great shot at any really good QB's in that off season other than possibly Rivers which is what I wanted at the time, but SD wanted like two 1st rounders and SD really didn't want to get rid of him, but he was trying to push his way out. Hoyer was just another guy to have alongside of Mallet to allow them to compete for the starting job, and Hoyer won that job. The ignorance of the OB bashers want to try and use that to suggest that OB had some dreamy vision that Hoyer was going to be the franchise here which is just false rhetoric that diminishes their reputation as being objective. Its comical propoganda and nothing more. Was OB supposed to come out publicly and say "This is our stop gap guy until we find a real QB" and totally undermine him to the rest of the team? Was he supposed to trash any potential he might have had on a new team and send a message that none of the players should get behind him for the time being that he was going to play there? No responsible NFL HC would have done something like that. Not one that wanted to keep a job or get hired for another one.

The fact is Hoyer played poorly here like most expected. The Texans did pretty well in spite of that, and still made the playoffs. They hate to have to swallow that.
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I can not say Hoyer did a bad job when he had his chance. He was adequate when he performed. As good as any other Qb that played last season.


I agree that Hoyer was never really meant to be anything more than what he was, a stop gap starter who could do just enough to get us to have a winning season. It just so happens it took more than Hoyer to get that done. Hoyer is remembered as lousy because he stunk it up in the playoff game and he could not stay healthy. I am sure part of that was due to him not being up to the challenge but to some degree we have to keep an open mind to the thought that there might be some carry over from the concussions. Concussions and their effect both short term and long term are still up for debate and much is still being learned in that regard.


I am with you on how OB handled the Qb situation and the fact that outside of a kick the tires look at Mallett, the other two quarterbacks were never really meant to be permanent and the fact that none of them are beyond emergency back ups was not lost on OB. Hoyer came off of playing fairly well in the mess that is the Cleveland Browns and earned the right to try to give us a short term solution that would at least keep us respectable.

I am excited about the future now. Even if none of our quarterbacks are ready to be the answer at that position we have weapons and an offense that fits OB and Godsey and the kind of offense they want. We also still have a more than formidable defense even if JJ misses some games. Add JJ and the teams on our schedule better watch out!!!

Going forward the future seems bright. If Brock Osweiler can stay healthy we could have a pretty good season. Surely he is a cut above anything we had last season and even though we are young at wide receiver we are no doubt improved. Those young receivers will progress and by mid to late this season we could have an offense to match our defense. We stand to improve by at least a game better than last season in the wins department and win a playofff game.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
I do not get all the Brock hate. Last season Brock may not have been statistically great but he came to be starter under a tough situation and he steared Denver to a 5-2 record.
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Statistically 61% of his passes were completed. He threw for 7.2 ypa. He finished with an 86 passer rating. These are the kind of stats you'd like to see from your young QBs first starting experience. Plenty of reasons to be optimistic with those numbers.

The only bad statistic is his QBR which includes a lot of subjective criteria that may or may not be relevant in Brock's situation.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Hoyer was also a stop gap, he was the definition of stop gap.
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Texecutioner said:
Anyone suggesting that Hoyer wasn't brought here to be anything but a stop gap is using that to try and crush Smith and OB.
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Ok. To me, stop gap would mean we were developing our future starter. So if y'all are saying we were grooming Savage to be our future starter & it just didn't work out, fine. Hoyer was a stop gap.

But to be hitting the FA market third year in a row, & hearing/reading about O'Brien's man crush on Hoyer, & seeing that man crush play out... whatever. Believe whatever makes you happy.
 
Texecutioner said:
The fact is Hoyer played poorly here like most expected. The Texans did pretty well in spite of that, and still made the playoffs. They hate to have to swallow that.
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Hoyer was 4-5...

I'm not arguing that O'b is a good coach. The 9-7 seasons say as much, as well as the turnaround after the Miami game, & getting multiple 100 yard rushing games out of Blue. Dude can coach. I just hope he was sitting shot gun when we were looking for a new QB.

Remember when they asked him about drafting a QB in 2016 & he said, "if the boss says to get a QB, I'm going to get a QB." & Rick was looking at him like, "Shut the hell up already, there are other ways to get a QB."

I'm hoping that was a glimpse into the relationship between Rick & O'b. Not that I think Rick deserves it, but it's promising that the next guy won't be the HC's yes man & will be a true personnel guy.
 
thunderkyss said:
Ok. To me, stop gap would mean we were developing our future starter. So if y'all are saying we were grooming Savage to be our future starter & it just didn't work out, fine. Hoyer was a stop gap.

But to be hitting the FA market third year in a row, & hearing/reading about O'Brien's man crush on Hoyer, & seeing that man crush play out... whatever. Believe whatever makes you happy.
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Hoyer earned the starting job but that is not saying much. I do not see the man crush you see. I see a head coach who found a somewhat proven quarterback for the season. It was the best choice OB thought he had. You don't draft a quarterback if you find that none of them fit you or what you want.

I think Brock has what OB is looking for and so I am all in with OB.
 
thunderkyss said:
Hoyer was 4-5...

I'm not arguing that O'b is a good coach. The 9-7 seasons say as much, as well as the turnaround after the Miami game, & getting multiple 100 yard rushing games out of Blue. Dude can coach. I just hope he was sitting shot gun when we were looking for a new QB.

Remember when they asked him about drafting a QB in 2016 & he said, "if the boss says to get a QB, I'm going to get a QB." & Rick was looking at him like, "Shut the hell up already, there are other ways to get a QB."

I'm hoping that was a glimpse into the relationship between Rick & O'b. Not that I think Rick deserves it, but it's promising that the next guy won't be the HC's yes man & will be a true personnel guy.
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Being that no one really knows whose decision it was to pass on a QB when we had the #1 pick where we picked Clowney makes it all moot. There isn't any reason to speculate about it. The team made the decision they made at the time, and it was a mistake. They ended up with a pretty good prospect for fans to look forward to now that has the potential that most high first round draft picks have.
 
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