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Nick Caserio - New GM
- Thread starter gwallaia
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TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Something to think about.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Let Nick cook! Respect the vest!
Just had to get Bob and Janice out of the way to give Caserio/Ryans a chance to build a winner.
So the Texans didn't spend $$$ on players like JJ Watt, Andre Johnson, DeAndre Hopkins, Johnathan Joseph, Matt Schaub, Mario Williams, etc, before Nick came here?
The first couple of decades in the NFL, you had to have the great HC to become champions. As the rules changed to favor the offense and the passing game in particular, you also needed the QB. If you believe the Texans have both the HC and the QB, then you also believe the Texans are championship contenders.
They've never made multiple bold moves like signing Hunter, AlShaair trading for Diggs and adding a guy like Mixon in the same off-season. They've always been a pay your own type org and really haven't been a player in the FA/Draft markets.
The old Texans would have brought back Greenard, Cashman, Singletary and drafted a WR. Surely you can see the difference in the way the team is currently being run and how it was run under BOb and Janice. No more not Texans Worthy.
It's not a coincidence that they're SB contenders for the first time since their inception.
In 20 years how many top tier fa have the McNair's signed?
JoJo, Manning, Os, Reed?
They've signed that many this off-season alone
Look at the GM's
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I disagreed with Steel's anti-McNair arguments back then. However, think about 2012- we let guys like Glover Quin and Demeco walk, without replacing them with quality, right in the middle of our championship window. IMO, it all unraveled due to the lack of effort and spending after the 2011 season.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
If I remember correctly, and I drank since then, but Mario Williams didn’t resign with the Texans after his rookie deal.
Matt Schaub was resigned to a massive deal when he could have played out his last year. Which would have been the best thing because that year he became a pick six machine. Which rumor has it Kubiak didn’t want to resign Schaub but let him play out his contract but Rick Smith stepped in and took control. There are plenty of other posters that remember this rumor better than me.
Texans lucked into Johnathan Joseph because they lost on Namdi Aso.
Watt, Hopkins, and Johnson were no brainers.
Letting Glover Quinn walk and paying for the jet fuel to go pick up Ed Reed was a mistake.
Believe me I'm no fan of RS or BOB the GM.
But I dont know what to tell you if you cant tell how the org is currently being run vs the way Bob/Janice ran the team. Example: Do you think guys like Mixon/Diggs would be Texans if Bob/Janice were still running the team? Do you think they would've spent the money to bring in guys like Al Shaair/Hunter?
Were the Texans cheap under Bob McNair and his underlings, as @steelbtexan implied? No. They spent to the cap regularly under the rules at the time. Did the Texans do a good job of allocating resources? No. Not good enough to be yearly contenders. Let's not move the goal posts. It's only June and there's a lot of offseason left.
Porky
Hall of Fame
97 days but whose counting?
The mistake, the one that counted, was the extension to Schaub before seeing how he would comeback from the injury. Here's what I said before and after the 2012 season regarding a Schaub extension.
Before the 2012 season and the Schaub extension.
After the 2012 season and Schaub signing the extension.
It wasn't the lack of spending, @dalemurphy. It was what the Texans spent their cap on.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Let’s rehash this for those just tuning in. Steel said:
You immediately replied:
I don’t see anywhere where Steel said Bob and Janice didn’t spend money. I see you jumping to conclusions and misconstruing what Steel said.
It is easier to interpret Steel’s post as Bob and Janice out of the management for Caserio and and Ryan’s to build a football team. It is easier to infer that Bob getting Ed Reed and letting Quin go and then Janice forcing the trade of Hopkins as more detrimental to this teams success than what we have seen Cal do. Or better yet - what Cal hasn’t done to let Caserio and Ryan’s work.
The only one moving goal posts is you. And you are creating goal posts too.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Lol.
It is funny that you quote my post and delete all the parts that show you were wrong about what you posted.
Once again you are moving the goal posts and creating new ones.
Marcia, Marcia, Marcia. I think if you're taking the job as @steelbtexan 's defense attorney, he needs better representation. How do I know that @steelbtexan was speaking about the McNair's cheapness? Because I've read his posts for over 15 years.Let’s rehash this for those just tuning in. Steel said:
You immediately replied:
I don’t see anywhere where Steel said Bob and Janice didn’t spend money. I see you jumping to conclusions and misconstruing what Steel said.
It is easier to interpret Steel’s post as Bob and Janice out of the management for Caserio and and Ryan’s to build a football team. It is easier to infer that Bob getting Ed Reed and letting Quin go and then Janice forcing the trade of Hopkins as more detrimental to this teams success than what we have seen Cal do. Or better yet - what Cal hasn’t done to let Caserio and Ryan’s work.
The only one moving goal posts is you. And you are creating goal posts too.
There's definitely some "misconstruing" going on here.
DeMeco Ryans is the strong leader this franchise has always lacked. O'Brien tried to come off as a leader. But he was just a petulant whiner that never took responsibility. That's why I advocated for someone like a Bill Cowher or Jimmy Johnson to come to Houston in an organizational leadership capacity. Bob McNair would have been a different owner had he hired someone he could respect.
If Ryans believes a player is worth the money or worth taking a chance on, Cal and Hannah believe him. And that's the difference in this organization than what existed before DeMeco returned.
Didn't someone say the Texans are $18 million under the cap? Why not wait until until after training camp, and make sure the Texans don't need Woods? Maybe Nick could get a 6th for Woods + a 7th?
badboy
Hall of Fame
You mean besides me?
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
All I see is someone living rent free in your head.
And you proved my point. It wasn’t what SteelB said in his current post. You were taking his current post and adding 15 years of prior posts to the conversation. You weren’t responding to what he said. You were responding to what he said 15 years ago.
Are you here to talk about the post or just here to hold grudges on posters? What’s that rule? Attack the post not the poster?
badboy
Hall of Fame
What would you do with the savings?
Bob McNair was never going to hire a Jimmy Johnson type HC. He wasn't going to ever turn control of his org over to anybody. I just wish TS and BOB could have worked together, when it was obvious that they couldn't work together the decks should have been cleaned and rebuilt from the ground up. RS and BOB not being able to work together gets decisions like signing OS and drafting a guy like Derrick who didn't fit what BOB wanted from his QB. BTW, Derrick s est years came under BOB. Man I'm so glad Derrick pulled his crap so the toilet could be flushed and a new beginning has started. Well that and BOB/Janice no longer are running the team.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Teams know Texans have surplus of WR’s no reason to give up draft capital. Plus let him test the market and find team who needs him while letting young dogs hunt for roster spot based on upside & less cost.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I don’t like Tunsil contract after this season. Don’t quote me but it’s like 50 million cap hit next year or year after that?
badboy
Hall of Fame
Just under 26 m this year and almost 29 each of remaining two seasons. You are probably thinking of his 50 million guaranteed when he extended. I think his contract extension was a very reasonable amount of money. Of course that is if he continues to play as a top 5. With an improvement to the right of him, I hope we will see a much better left tackle.
Sweech
Onside Kick Specialist
They didn't re-sign Demeco because he didn't fit Wade's 3-4 defense incredibly well and was going to be worth more $$$ to some other team than he would be to us. Glover Quin was let go because at the time sentiment was we wanted a true turnover generating deep safety and opted to go for a washed Ed Reed instead of Quin who ironically ended up leading the league in interceptions for the Lions while Ed Reed ended up being a complete and utter bust.
Demeco for as awesome of a player he was wasn't necessarily a mistake to not re-sign. Quin was alright too but wasn't necessarily devastating to lose him as he had never played as well for us as he did for Detroit - no guarantee he plays that well staying in our system. Spending the $ and time trying to woo Ed Reed was the major mistake.
The other big mistake in the window was not retaining more of the o-line and the hubris of thinking Matt Schaub was going to bring us to the promise land. Especially instead of going out and getting someone like Manning.
I was suggesting something like team president, not HC. Someone to oversee the football organization. And report directly to McNair. Bob McNair's problem was he sought the guidance of corporate head hunters rather than football people. He just never fully understood the business he bought into. McNair wasn't an egomaniac owner, like Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder. Bob wanted to win. He just never learned how to win.
Mercilus and Cunningham come to mind. Anything that involved Easterby as contract negotiator.
Marcia, @steelbtexan was responding to your post on cash spending. Nothing about the Texans need to bring in more miscreants.
You know better, Marcia. Now go to your room and brush your hair.
He did want to win by using the Not Texans Worthy model and the sign your own and we don't really play in the FA, trade markets. It's cheaper to operate that way. But it will never work in today's NFL.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Last word? I think that's another thread, correct? It's been going on for like 19 decades..First it was SteelB posting over the last 15 years and now it was what I posted?
The Waffle House is hiring. They could use your skills. You are an expert waffler.
You can have the last word.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Looks like you want to have the last word. Way to deflect.First it was SteelB posting over the last 15 years and now it was what I posted?
The Waffle House is hiring. They could use your skills. You are an expert waffler.
You can have the last word.
Teams that "win" the offseason regularly bust in the regular season. IMO, the biggest difference with the Texans is that there's true alignment between the GM and HC, along with the Texans finally having a true franchise QB instead of a noodle-armed Schaub or backyard QB in Watson. Both Caserio and Ryans have spoken to getting high character, high IQ players.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
But they also have developed player physical profiles for each position. Seems they are trying to build a self perpetuating machine. In that regard, despite all the stars being added to the team the two I’m most interested in this TC are the UDFA Janke twins. I know zero about them other than at 6’3” they fit one desired physical attribute. I just see them as a test of NC’s player profiles to find hidden gems that fit the machine.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Here’s your nose back. I found it in my business. Try to keep it out next time.
cland
Rookie
I think the "way" that the Texans "won" the off-season is incredibly important. Short term deals for proven veterans, having all draft picks in 2025 (short of the 6th,) and not mortgaging the future with enormous contracts for FA players seems right in line with taking a shot in 2024 without selling out the future years.
If you look at the current roster, they've got a young core, veteran players to perform and teach, and even some projects that might come to fruition (Okudah, Henderson, and Kenyon Green trying to recapture their 1st round draft status.)
Also teams that win the offseason often win in the playoffs. Look at the Rams/Eagles and to a certain extent the 49ers as examples. Bottom line for me is at least Caserio/Ryans are now giving themselves their best chance to win a SB. A welcome change from how business used to be done down on Kirby.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That wasn’t your darn business. That interaction was between SB and Lucky. And once Lucky proved you were off, you’re the one that played the he’s in you head card. Lmbo too freaking funny.
Now it’s your business.
Hurry up and start football!
Texansballer74
The Marine
So far Nick’s method is working like a charm.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yea though I walked through the valley of anger, disappointment and desperation of Bill O'Brien, I shall fear no ticket, parking or concession stand price increase; for the GM known as Nick the dealer Caserio and head coach Demeco Ryans art with me.
They guide the team forward into the land of milk , honey and Blue Bell ice-cream.
May mercy and kindness go before me into the play-offs.
Surely heaven sometimes called Super Bowl is in my future..
If I should die before that occurs, may the TV be wide screen and cheer leaders not too wide.
They guide the team forward into the land of milk , honey and Blue Bell ice-cream.
May mercy and kindness go before me into the play-offs.
Surely heaven sometimes called Super Bowl is in my future..
If I should die before that occurs, may the TV be wide screen and cheer leaders not too wide.
Tell me again, I dont understand what Lucky proved?
He sure didn't prove that the Texans were doing the same things under Bob and Janice that they're currently doing under Cal/Hannah/Caserio/Ryans.