badboy
Hall of Fame
6 wins there and then 6 elsewhere
Keep Texans Talk Google Ad Free!
Venmo Tip Jar | Paypal Tip Jar
Thanks for your support! 🍺😎👍
Nick Caserio - New GM
- Thread starter gwallaia
- Start date
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I am confused. Are you being sarcastic? Sorry. I don't think I understand your question.
Gaslighting?
We just got to win more games than the other teams in the AFCSouth.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yeah but if you're going to dream, dream big!
That's every year. Win the division, get in the playoffs. This ain't Manning's AFC South.
Keenum and Mills also have the edge in experience in the system. That means a lot.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Last edited:
Caserio's track record was questionable, pre-Ryans. Everything is rosy, now. But to pretend Nick was flawless prior is an example of...
Yes, gaslighting.
TheRealJoker V2
Rookie
Tannehill would be a good fit in this system imo. Surprised he hasn’t signed somewhere.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
The Roughnecks desperately need a QB. LOL
Bluehen Texan
Waterboy
Of course nobody’s flawless. I hope that isn’t the measuring stick of greatness. For me, since January of 2021 Caserio has been so great that I can accept whatever flaws that came along with him. He walked into a horrible situation that only a couple months later became even worse. We all know that we had no first or 2nd round picks in 2021 and on top of that, the Deshaun Watson escapades all came to light. Only 3 years later and we are legitimate contenders with a bright future.
Definitely not trying to gaslight. I’m sure we can pick apart some of his bad decision's. His track record from the beginning is far closer to flawless than even mediocre.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Would it be better to replace Case with Tannehill? Or trade Mills and sign Tannehill? Tannehill is 35 so he still has some utility. I’ve always liked his game.
TheRealJoker V2
Rookie
I’d just take Tannehill and replace either of them. Ideally you don’t get to the 2nd or 3rd QB. I’m sure if he’s still on the market he is looking for a starter salary or opportunity which makes him a non candidate here (unless the thing happens we will never mention).
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
I was just thinking in terms whereby the Texans are making a run and CJ has to get his tonsils out then I’d rather have Tannehill at #2 than Davis or Case. Also it would seem Ryan could serve as a mentor as Case does now. Will be interesting to see if Davis can build trade value this preseason IMO. I have a feeling he’s going to leave anyway when his contract is up. His would be a complicated extension if allowed to go that far. Even if he has a great preseason he won’t be our #1 again.
Last edited:
Look, Caserio absolutely walked into one of, if not the, toughest jobs in the league. He thought he had a franchise QB to build around. That turned out not to be the case. So he had to earn that $36 million contract.
But let's talk about 2021 and 2022. The HC candidates Caserio brought in were poor. Were there criteria that Caserio had to meet in selecting a head coach limiting? Maybe? Was it easy to find coaches that wanted to come to Houston under the situation that was going on with the Texans? No, that could not have been easy. At the same time, the coaches that were brought in and hired could not have more ill prepared for rebuilding a team. Two total failures. The criteria that could have justified these hires was to tank.
If tanking was the underlying motive for the Texans actions in 2021 & 2022, why did Caserio trade draft picks for washed up vets? The Texans could have lost with rookies on cheaper contracts and maybe have found a gem or two. That strategy flies in the face of a full on tank and brought questions regarding exactly what they were trying to accomplish on Kirby. Re-structures to help sign a litany of vet players did not help solve the cap issues. The worst being the totally unnecessary re-sign of age 30 Brandin Cooks to a $40 million contract. Two head coaches down and a lack of coherence in the direction of the team cast a shadow over the Texans heading into the 2023 offseason. Early in that search, Caserio himself stated he would step down if his presence would impede the Texans from hiring the best coach possible. At the time, it felt like Caserio didn't want to be in Houston, like he was staying to finish a chore.
Then DeMeco Ryans decided the Houston Texans Head Coach position would be his dream job. His attitude and energy transformed the organization like turning on a light switch. Working with Nick, the scouts, and his coaching staff, Ryans and the Texans had the greatest draft in team history. Not only did the rookies make statements in the 1st year, but some of Caserio's previous questionable picks like Nico Collins and Derek Stingley became breakout players. A last to first turnaround, a huge playoff win at NRG, a fantastic 2024 offseason, and it feels like the Texans could not be in better hands.
No one wants to breakup this organization, now. 18 months ago, optimism wasn't so bright. But it's time to live in the now, rather than make snide remarks about who wanted whom fired in the past.
Last edited:
Some posters have been wanting to run Mills out of town since the moment he was drafted.
In your mind, what Caserio needed was for Janice to get out of the way. I always said it would take 3-4 yrs to rebuild the team and I was one of the few that was glad Derrick was no longer on Kirby and actually expected under Caserio the team to become contenders after a couple of down yrs while they were rebuilding. After those 2 yrs I expected them to hire the HC of the future which is exactly what happened. BTW, I never said Nick was flawless, but I understand what he's trying to accomplish. I get that the fanbase is impatient, but a correct rebuild takes time.
No gaslighting here. BTW, the Texans thought of the day thread has turned into a library thread. I expect you to treat it like you did the Derrick trade thread.
Library?
It's not posters that kept Mills from starting when Stroud was out.
Exactly. So no one should have any anxiety about a "1st place" schedule. Those days are long gone. 32 teams, 2 conferences, 4 divisions... parity is built in to the schedule.
The only thing that should concern us are the homestands, multi game road trips, international games, west coast trips, short weeks, early bye weeks etc...
Without a beast of a running game & an All-Pro receiver Tannehill is wasted talent. They couldn't get him out of Miami fast enough, the same in Tennessee when that house of cards fell apart.
He's a fine backup QB, but I would rather have Case. He's a better QB.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Not getting into the argument about Tannehill being in houston. But Stephon Diggs is an All-Pro wide receiver . Mixon was signed to be a beast.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Not that it's important to me, but I don't think Janice was the problem but rather Cal as he wanted to listen to Easterby. I could see Janice and Hannah teaming up on Cal; not that that would be a difficult battle.
BattleRedBlud
Blue Steel Pose. No Excuses!
I will give you credit for the bolded statement. You did say this and stood by that assessment. You and I have argued back and forth plenty over Deshaun and admittedly I was a pretty big fan of his up until the allegations and his extreme want to be moved. You have to concede however that it was easy to fan for Deshaun when he was the best QB this young franchise had up to that point, thank God for Stroud.
But to the point, you did layout a timeline and so far things have lined up as you said they would. Credit to Nick for looking ahead and not simply building for today.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Oh please. If you asked 100 fans to layout a timeline for the Texans to rebuild from where they were 100 would probably say 3-4 years. What were they going to say…a year or two especially rising from the pit of hell? 5+ years? There would have to be explicit reasons to substantiate that longer period. 3-4 years as a timeline is the boringly average bet for any average NFL fan.
Do fans also give reasons why Culley was hired? I gave reasons back then.
So it's just happenstance that Janice got out of the way and the Texans started improving.
Not Texans Worthy was down on Kirby long before Easterby showed up. I'm actually glad they hired Easterby because hiring Easterby lead to hiring Caserio.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Exactly and he was talking about a different regime when he made that bold prediction. So by that stance each regime would take 3-4 years. The Ryan’s regime is on year 2.
Sweech
Onside Kick Specialist
Yes. I heard the same one. I can't remember where it was from either though. I do think it was during the post draft media tour Caserio somewhat did.
Also said it would be a healthy competition for the backup spot which is kind of wild because if we're honest Case is basically a rostered QB coach at this point.
Last edited:
TheRealJoker V2
Rookie
3-4 year window is just semantics at this point. Nobody on Kirby thought the team would have two one and done head coaches before getting DeMeco. Those first two years were not part of “the plan”.
But Caserio did find some players that have became core members of this team in the meantime. Nico in 2021 draft makes that a hit. Stingley and Christian Harris 2022. If they can get anyone from 2022 to hit then that is playing with house money. Looking at you Green, Pitre, Metchie and Pierce…
2023 draft was knocked out of the park. And the yearly free agent churn for the rest of the roster has done its part to field a competitive roster.
2023 was the true “year one”. That’s when DeMeco, CJ and Anderson became the faces of this era in Houston football. 2021-22 were lost years with a couple nice finds along the way. But there was nobody who can honestly say, “this is how it was planned all along”.
But Caserio did find some players that have became core members of this team in the meantime. Nico in 2021 draft makes that a hit. Stingley and Christian Harris 2022. If they can get anyone from 2022 to hit then that is playing with house money. Looking at you Green, Pitre, Metchie and Pierce…
2023 draft was knocked out of the park. And the yearly free agent churn for the rest of the roster has done its part to field a competitive roster.
2023 was the true “year one”. That’s when DeMeco, CJ and Anderson became the faces of this era in Houston football. 2021-22 were lost years with a couple nice finds along the way. But there was nobody who can honestly say, “this is how it was planned all along”.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
True. A rebuild begins IMO with a paradigm change. DeMeco was the first real paradigm change since OB. That doesn’t mean Lovie or Culley didn’t add players so the rebuild wasn’t exactly starting from scratch but it really kicked off last year. A “rebuild” is really a worn out platitude. It varies for every team and is affected by drafts, FA activity, cap management, injuries, implementation of new styles of play on either O, D or both, retirements, etc. I think a “rebuild” is expected to be a 3-4 year exercise if you are pretty much starting from scratch. The Texans look like an up and coming fairly solid roster now but I don’t believe NC thinks it’s there yet. He drafted nine players this year (and last year) and every player this year played a different position in college. That sounds like a rebuild vs the next platitude in the process…the “fine tuning” that follows a rebuild. Maybe the rebuild-fine tuning processes somewhat cause a draft strategy of picking BPA vs Need ( which I believe is yet another platitude. Teams draft what they consider BPA at the position they need to upgrade). NC added needed depth across his roster this year. He was very lucky last year getting BPA’s at the two positions where they were most needed.so yeah, 3-4 years to rebuild is a no brainer peak of the sine curve although I’d argue that some is fine tuning which is part of a basic rebuild.
I do like Caserio & am glad he is with the Texans but IMO the Texans turnaround is as much about being in the right place at the right time as it is about being a great GM. If Watson did not turn out to be pure trash & Stroud did not exceed everybody's expectations how far along would the Texans be right now.
Caserio did do a good job with the resources he had. It looks like we just had the best back to back drafts in franchise history. Still most of it could not have happened without Watson going off the rails which had nothing to do with Caserio. But you have to give Caserio credit for getting the players he did with the Browns draft choices.
Maybe the stars are right and the Texans' ownership & coaching staff are finally going to give Houston a real fighting chance at a championship. It has been a damn long time coming.
It is funny though that we may owe as much to Hannah, Watson & the S2 test as we do to anything else.
Caserio did do a good job with the resources he had. It looks like we just had the best back to back drafts in franchise history. Still most of it could not have happened without Watson going off the rails which had nothing to do with Caserio. But you have to give Caserio credit for getting the players he did with the Browns draft choices.
Maybe the stars are right and the Texans' ownership & coaching staff are finally going to give Houston a real fighting chance at a championship. It has been a damn long time coming.
It is funny though that we may owe as much to Hannah, Watson & the S2 test as we do to anything else.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
It's not the "Watson being pure trash" thing in and of itself, because he was a damn good QB. I think the implication would be that him being a damn good QB would have kept O'Brien and Easterby in the building a lot longer, because his talent would make up for their incompetence just enough to be good but not great. The disaster of 2021 was the impetus to get this franchise where it is today. From owner, to owner whisperers, to coaching, to on-field talent. And that doesn't happen if Watson didn't have his washcloth fall off the massage table at the Houstonian.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
I don’t know. NC has said repeatedly that every day when he comes to his office he is looking to upgrade the roster. The manipulations to get WAJ certainly look planned. Cant plan the outcome, that’s fate only the daemons can affect. But like my dad would always tell me….just put yourself in the proper place to succeed because you can’t control the rest. Hope keeps us alive and moving forward. DeMeco sits at the right hand of the father and gives us the hope, lol.
Wrong thread, sorry about that.
True, but they must still like him somewhat or they wouldn't have kept Mills around.
I'm just glad that Caserio/Ryans now have been given the thumbs up from ownership to build a winner without constraints. It's impossible to beat a Reid run org that has no constraints when the Texans ownership puts constrains on their top level executives. Finally there's a level playing field.
For the record I guessed that things would turnout this way. Of course I believed in Caserio from the beginning.
He's trash, but I'll tell you something that most here will disagree with, BOB made Derrick look much better than he really is.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Oh, of course and it’s worth noting
…for the RECORD
He traded a couple of pick swaps and a late rd pick to get the guys he wanted on the team during that time. Guess what, he traded late rd picks for Jones/Kendrick Green last yr. Caserio's model hasn't really changed and if he doesn't like what he sees or injuries hit during TC, you can expect Caserio to make trades with late rd picks and pick swaps to fill in holes. Nothing has really changed with the way Caserio does business. It's just that the Texans org hit homeruns on the Ryans hire/Stroud/WA draft picks.
He re-signed Cooks to an extension because he thought Cooks and Tunsil would be leaders and would have something left in the tank after the down couple of yrs and the team was through with the rebuild. I'm just glad Caserio kept Tunsil who's proven to be an OL leader. I especially like the fact that Tunsil is working with WA to try to make WA an even better player.
Case isn't as good as Tannehill. Tannehill took his team to the playoffs when healthy. Then some genius thought it would be a good idea to trade AJ Brown away, let go of Jonnu Smith/Saffold/Ben Jones and Lewand retired. Without a competent OL and letting go of Tannehills favorite receivers lead the Tacks to the top of the draft. Tannehill still has good starter level talent, he just cant stay healthy for a full season anymore. I think Tannehill pulls a Flacco and signs on with a playoff contender after their starting QB goes down.
I guess I need to qualify the pure trash part. Not as a QB but as a person. Hell even before all the pervert crap he already showed how much of a wretch he was by signing a huge contract & then wanting out almost immediately.
Agree to disagree. Tannehill is way too conservative for me. He's a game manager & still shts the bed way too often for my liking.
Last edited:
Sweech
Onside Kick Specialist
As opposed to Case shitting the bed?
Which has probably happened more often given amount of opportunities.
cland
Recovering from BO'B PTSD
Yep you're right, I disagree.
When Watson first came in to start he was instant magic. O'Brien widdled his production down with his ill conceived offensive schemes that weren't designed for the strength of his QB. Then he took over as pseudo GM and traded key pieces away for pennies on the dollar.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I’m not going to assign credit to any one individual. Caserio had an absolute shite-hole of a team and organization to fix upon arrival. Culley and Smith were mandated hires which I believe Caserio agreed to b/c of the overall situation.
When Watson gifted the team a turnaround type of trade return….things changed on Kirby in an instant. A bonafide HC was needed and this is where Ryans came in. I believe Caserio had a much bigger say in who was selected this go round.
Caserio and Ryans are one and the same. Their ability to work together has galvanized this organization and the players lucky enough to be on the roster.
As long as these two and the players remain on the same page…..good returns are in their future. Great times to be a Texans fan.
When Watson gifted the team a turnaround type of trade return….things changed on Kirby in an instant. A bonafide HC was needed and this is where Ryans came in. I believe Caserio had a much bigger say in who was selected this go round.
Caserio and Ryans are one and the same. Their ability to work together has galvanized this organization and the players lucky enough to be on the roster.
As long as these two and the players remain on the same page…..good returns are in their future. Great times to be a Texans fan.
DrumBeatsLouder
Noob
Cal/Hannah, Nick, DeMeco ( and the advocates/former players in AJ80/JJ99) are the dream team of turning this franchise into a competitive, formidable opponent enriched with the spirit of the H. Only gonna get better, football is gonna be good in Houston for years to come.
Uh, he lead the NFL in passing the last year BOB was here. To have all of this supposed talent he's sucked with the Browns. But BOB had nothing to do with Derrick's success. Ok, you can keep living in the land of denial.Yep you're right, I disagree.