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Nick Caserio - New GM

badboy said:
Texans should never use that O. 4 in backfield with no WR? Both TEs blocking down field on LBs okay but obviously not targets for dump pass if required. It's a good way to get Stroud killed by that unblocked cornerback or the defensive end.

Now if that TE on left side tangled the opposite DE to slow then tried to engage LB while Tank Dell went 1 on 1 with CB...
Stroud has option to throw deep or if he wants to run for possibly substantial yardage.

One of those 3 RBs would not be on field.
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It's a run play.
 
thunderkyss said:
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I was in this offense in 7th grade at a church school. It was old and horrible, then. Our coach was a retired postal worker who hadn't watched football in 15 years. We were mauled.
 
Lucky said:
The Texans didn't receive 3 1sts and 3 2nds. And Nick didn't set a market that was unrealistic. He wasn't giving the player away, but with multiple teams willing to give up 3 1sts and more, he didn't have to. Any GM in the league could have gotten the same deal. As long as they didn't disparage the product. That was the key.
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Let's simplify this. Reimagine the state of the franchise when Caserio came on... Now, once that graphic picture of utter ineptitude is vivid and fresh in your head, could anyone, in their wildest dreams, imagine the organization being in the state it is in now... or better? (Whatever anyone wants to say. Caserio had a unique set of skills to weather all the storms, participate in the clean up of the organization while dramatically upgrading every aspect of the team's personnel and coaching staff)
 
dalemurphy said:
Let's simplify this. Reimagine the state of the franchise when Caserio came on... Now, once that graphic picture of utter ineptitude is vivid and fresh in your head, could anyone, in their wildest dreams, imagine the organization being in the state it is in now... or better? (Whatever anyone wants to say. Caserio had a unique set of skills to weather all the storms, participate in the clean up of the organization while dramatically upgrading every aspect of the team's personnel and coaching staff)
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NOBODY had the Texans winning the AFC South, or a playoff game, under a rookie HC with a rookie QB with an historically low S2 score. Evidently football players are better at playing football than taking tests, and rookie NFL coaches are better at fleshing out the talent of their players that experienced HC's ( Lovie Smith)
 
badboy said:
At some point, the Texans need to draft a quarterback to start being Stroud's backup. 2025 too soon.

5th round?
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Let’s see how Mills handles the QB2 role this season. If he handles the spot, he’ll be a cheap and experienced signing for another 3-4 years.
 
DocBar said:
NOBODY had the Texans winning the AFC South, or a playoff game, under a rookie HC with a rookie QB with an historically low S2 score. Evidently football players are better at playing football than taking tests, and rookie NFL coaches are better at fleshing out the talent of their players that experienced HC's ( Lovie Smith)
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Agreed... However, the bigger story isn't a magical 2023 season, but a roster and staff that has been thoroughly overhauled and managed in a way that this team is poised to be a Superbowl contender for the foreseeable future.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Let’s see how Mills handles the QB2 role this season. If he handles the spot, he’ll be a cheap and experienced signing for another 3-4 years.
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Mills is a backup who, if having a good day, could win a game. If he's having a good day. If he's being his typical self those win chances will drop quite a bit. Unless you want a more expensive backup or feel like drafting another QB in the 3rd or 4th rounds, Davis Mills will just have to do.
 
dalemurphy said:
Agreed... However, the bigger story isn't a magical 2023 season, but a roster and staff that has been thoroughly overhauled and managed in a way that this team is poised to be a Superbowl contender for the foreseeable future.
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Agreed and about time.
 
Thorn said:
Mills is a backup who, if having a good day, could win a game. If he's having a good day. If he's being his typical self those win chances will drop quite a bit. Unless you want a more expensive backup or feel like drafting another QB in the 3rd or 4th rounds, Davis Mills will just have to do.
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I disagree with this, when he started they lost a lot of 1 score games with a miniscule amount of talent compared to this yrs team. If he played the same this year as he did then they likely would win more games.

Give him Collins, Diggs, Dell, Schultz and Mixon and I can pretty much guarantee you that he will look much better than he did as a rookie.
 
DBCooper said:
Aaaah

I remember this time last year the talk was let Stroud sit behind Mills until he was ready!

Lol
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I’m kinda guilty here. I wanted to start the season with “someone not named Stroud” and make a change when things went south. I didn’t want to wait “until he was ready” but did want to wait a game or more depending on how things played out. I was wrong.
 
steelbtexan said:
I disagree with this, when he started they lost a lot of 1 score games with a miniscule amount of talent compared to this yrs team. If he played the same this year as he did then they likely would win more games.

Give him Collins, Diggs, Dell, Schultz and Mixon and I can pretty much guarantee you that he will look much better than he did as a rookie.
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Mills has talent. He’s just not a franchise QB. I’d rather have him and Keenum than a lot of other team’s options at backup QB.

But of course… if Stroud goes down then we’re screwed.

But Mills and Keenum will get the team a good look at the offense in preseason and give the skill players an honest chance to compete.

I remember when Joe Webb or Jeff Driskel would run around late in those preseason games a few years back. Those guys are great athletes and fun to watch, but it really screwed the other players out of getting quality tape on film when they’d play hero ball in the 4th quarter of preseason games.
 
DBCooper said:
Aaaah

I remember this time last year the talk was let Stroud sit behind Mills until he was ready!

Lol
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Because the Texans were playing the Ravens and people didn’t want their brand new rookie QB to get his head rocked and wanted Davis Mills to take the hits instead behind a OL that wasn’t proven. The same Ravens team that eventually ended up giving the Texans another beat down in the playoffs.

Yeah. That is crazy talk.
 
TexansBull said:
Because the Texans were playing the Ravens and people didn’t want their brand new rookie QB to get his head rocked and wanted Davis Mills to take the hits instead behind a OL that wasn’t proven. The same Ravens team that eventually ended up giving the Texans another beat down in the playoffs.

Yeah. That is crazy talk.
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That was not the only reason. People wanted that young man to sit and learn from Davis freaking Mills. Some were stuck in that old school mentality of a rookie quarterback sitting an entire year.
A few didn’t want him from the jump so they attempted to tarnish his character because he was playing basketball at Snoop Dogs house.

When he threw his first interception in the preseason, the told you so was been tossed around.

The Ravens were a much better experienced team. They out coached us and out played us.
 
Texansballer74 said:
That was not the only reason. People wanted that young man to sit and learn from Davis freaking Mills. Some were stuck in that old school mentality of a rookie quarterback sitting an entire year.
A few didn’t want him from the jump so they attempted to tarnish his character because he was playing basketball at Snoop Dogs house.

When he threw his first interception in the preseason, the told you so was been tossed around.

The Ravens were a much better experienced team. They out coached us and out played us.
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Davis Mills was the new Tom Savage.
 
Texansballer74 said:
That was not the only reason. People wanted that young man to sit and learn from Davis freaking Mills. Some were stuck in that old school mentality of a rookie quarterback sitting an entire year.
A few didn’t want him from the jump so they attempted to tarnish his character because he was playing basketball at Snoop Dogs house.

When he threw his first interception in the preseason, the told you so was been tossed around.

The Ravens were a much better experienced team. They out coached us and out played us.
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That was the main reason and, if people are honest with themselves, some posters took it overly personal that there would be an opinion to sit Stroud even one game.
 
TexansBull said:
That was the main reason and, if people are honest with themselves, some posters took it overly personal that there would be an opinion to sit Stroud even one game.
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No,the main reasons were; they didn’t want to pick a quarterback and he was a client of David. They then used your stance because the Texans drafted him anyways. One joker tried to flip things because quite of few including myself didn’t want Mills to start period. Like Santo said ,” Tom Savage situation”. The Texans made that mistake before trotting Savage out there as the starter and he stunk up the joint. What happened then, dude was benched.

You don’t throw a back up out there because you’re scared of the opponent you’re playing.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
No the main reasons were they didn’t want pick a quarterback and he was a client of David. They then used your stance because the Texans drafted him anyways. One joker tried to flip things because quite of few including myself didn’t want Mills to start period. Like Santo said another Tom Savage situation. The Texans made that mistake before trotting Savage out there as the starter and he stunk up the joint. What happened then, dude was benched.

You don’t throw a back up out there because you’re scared of the opponent you’re playing.
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Savage was the classic "million dollar arm with a 5 cent head" type of player. He could throw a beautiful ball, but was just waaay to slow with his reads on the field. I don't know if anyone remembers but at one point they had Savage wearing "experimental glasses" that could track where he was looking on the field... They didn't work.
 
cland said:
Savage was the classic "million dollar arm with a 5 cent head" type of player. He could throw a beautiful ball, but was just waaay to slow with his reads on the field. I don't know if anyone remembers but at one point they had Savage wearing "experimental glasses" that could track where he was looking on the field... They didn't work.
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Well, I mean, for them to work you have to open your eyes!
 
dalemurphy said:
Reimagine the state of the franchise when Caserio came on...
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There is no doubt about that. And Nick should have seen that we he took the job and the $$$. And Caserio will be the GM for the foreseeable future. I really think he understands what it takes to maintain a winning team from his Patriot days. I've never thought he had a good grasp on rebuilding.
 
Lucky said:
There is no doubt about that. And Nick should have seen that we he took the job and the $$$. And Caserio will be the GM for the foreseeable future. I really think he understands what it takes to maintain a winning team from his Patriot days. I've never thought he had a good grasp on rebuilding.
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It was kind of hard coming into the messed up situation caused by the McNair’s, O’Brien, Easterby, and Watson. He didn’t foresee all of that and wasn’t told the ship was about to sink.
 
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TheRealJoker V2 said:
Mills has talent. He’s just not a franchise QB. I’d rather have him and Keenum than a lot of other team’s options at backup QB.

But of course… if Stroud goes down then we’re screwed.

But Mills and Keenum will get the team a good look at the offense in preseason and give the skill players an honest chance to compete.

I remember when Joe Webb or Jeff Driskel would run around late in those preseason games a few years back. Those guys are great athletes and fun to watch, but it really screwed the other players out of getting quality tape on film when they’d play hero ball in the 4th quarter of preseason games.
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I think with the new weapons and a better defense Mills could go 3-2 if Stroud went down for a bit.
 
badboy said:
At some point, the Texans need to draft a quarterback to start being Stroud's backup. 2025 too soon.

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Wouldn't be surprised if we opt more for the vet backup gameplan.

Really depends on how they do things in practice but a lot of teams don't really dedicate a lot of development time to QBs beyond training camps and it becomes way more week to week gameplanning for opponents more than anything. Which means young guys drafted to be backups don't develop a whole lot. So vets that already know the system are often more valuable.
 
Sweech said:
Wouldn't be surprised if we opt more for the vet backup gameplan.

Really depends on how they do things in practice but a lot of teams don't really dedicate a lot of development time to QBs beyond training camps and it becomes way more week to week gameplanning for opponents more than anything. Which means young guys drafted to be backups don't develop a whole lot. So vets that already know the system are often more valuable.
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Especially in the Shanahan type systems that players need a lot of reps to be successful. Stroud will be taking by far the most reps in practice when week 1 begins.
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
Especially in the Shanahan type systems that players need a lot of reps to be successful. Stroud will be taking by far the most reps in practice when week 1 begins.
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Not just practice either. I wouldn't be surprised to see us going towards a more 75/25 for the starting qb in camp as well. Some teams even do closer to 90/10.

The backup will be playing with backups and scout team and often times simulating the opposition and not necessarily actually learning our own system.

Most NFL teams aren't setup to develop a QB behind the scenes. Obviously some can and have, but it's not at all the norm.

That said many are pushing to change how training is done for QBs in the modern era especially from the QB coach perspective.
 
TexansBull said:
That isn’t true.

Have you ever negotiated before?

You don’t start asking for what you want. You start off asking for something higher than what you want. What Caserio did should be obvious to everyone. He went in with high demands, to get what he was truly after: the first round draft picks. That thinned the prospective buyers immediately. Had he not done that then teams would have came to him lowballing him first. Nick set the market by doing just that. Again - what he did should be obvious and by not giving him credit for that is being willfully blind.

Not all GMs could have gotten that deal either. Some would have released Watson immediately. And others would not have been smart enough to have set the market the way he did.
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Caserio said negotiations begin with three 1sts. Teams can add on as they see fit and we'll take the best offer. Because Cal dumbly agreed to give Derrick a NTC Caserio wasn't able to take the best deal (Rumored to be Atlanta) because the souless Haslam's came in with a record guaranteed deal for the Pervert. I'm just sitting back eating my popcorn enjoying the brown cloud that Derrick has brought to the Brown's org. Couldn't happen to nicer people like the Haslam's.
 
steelbtexan said:
Caserio said negotiations begin with three 1sts. Teams can add on as they see fit and we'll take the best offer. Because Cal dumbly agreed to give Derrick a NTC Caserio wasn't able to take the best deal (Rumored to be Atlanta) because the souless Haslam's came in with a record guaranteed deal for the Pervert. I'm just sitting back eating my popcorn enjoying the brown cloud that Derrick has brought to the Brown's org. Couldn't happen to nicer people like the Haslam's.
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Some people would have you believe that anyone like Rick Smith could have pulled off the deal. That the deal essentially created itself and a cat with a typewriter could have gotten it done.

SMH.
 
badboy said:
Even better is the cap hit; for example, Hunter is under 14 million and AA is just over 4 million this season. We have $18 m on hand with ability to create more if needed.
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Nearly $40 million in voidable years from the contracts the Texans handed out this offseason. But if that's what it takes to get a parade in downtown Houston, so be it.
 
badboy said:
I am hoping as the regular season draws closer, we can pick up a couple of vets reasonably priced who are cut.
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I'm hoping we don't need to, so we can carry as much as possible into next year.

If we have to, we have to. But I hope we don't.
 
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