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Nick Caserio - New GM

OptimisticTexan said:
I’m not going to assign credit to any one individual. Caserio had an absolute shite-hole of a team and organization to fix upon arrival. Culley and Smith were mandated hires which I believe Caserio agreed to b/c of the overall situation.

When Watson gifted the team a turnaround type of trade return….things changed on Kirby in an instant. A bonafide HC was needed and this is where Ryans came in. I believe Caserio had a much bigger say in who was selected this go round.

Caserio and Ryans are one and the same. Their ability to work together has galvanized this organization and the players lucky enough to be on the roster.

As long as these two and the players remain on the same page…..good returns are in their future. Great times to be a Texans fan.
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Caserio and Ryan’s are not exactly the same but great example of collaborative diversity in finest hour.
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
3-4 year window is just semantics at this point. Nobody on Kirby thought the team would have two one and done head coaches before getting DeMeco. Those first two years were not part of “the plan”.

But Caserio did find some players that have became core members of this team in the meantime. Nico in 2021 draft makes that a hit. Stingley and Christian Harris 2022. If they can get anyone from 2022 to hit then that is playing with house money. Looking at you Green, Pitre, Metchie and Pierce…

2023 draft was knocked out of the park. And the yearly free agent churn for the rest of the roster has done its part to field a competitive roster.

2023 was the true “year one”. That’s when DeMeco, CJ and Anderson became the faces of this era in Houston football. 2021-22 were lost years with a couple nice finds along the way. But there was nobody who can honestly say, “this is how it was planned all along”.
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Then why did they hire Culley? They planned on him being the HC for two years.

BTW, what happened to guys like SAS calling the McNair's racists?
 
mws said:
I do like Caserio & am glad he is with the Texans but IMO the Texans turnaround is as much about being in the right place at the right time as it is about being a great GM. If Watson did not turn out to be pure trash & Stroud did not exceed everybody's expectations how far along would the Texans be right now.

Caserio did do a good job with the resources he had. It looks like we just had the best back to back drafts in franchise history. Still most of it could not have happened without Watson going off the rails which had nothing to do with Caserio. But you have to give Caserio credit for getting the players he did with the Browns draft choices.

Maybe the stars are right and the Texans' ownership & coaching staff are finally going to give Houston a real fighting chance at a championship. It has been a damn long time coming.

It is funny though that we may owe as much to Hannah, Watson & the S2 test as we do to anything else.
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You forgot to add in Caserio made the Derrick trade that gave him the ability to draft Stroud,,WA, Stingley,Green, etc...
 
steelbtexan said:
BTW, what happened to guys like SAS calling the McNair's racists?
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Who knows? Take it up with Smith, he has a twitter/X account.
steelbtexan said:
You forgot to add in Caserio made the Derrick trade that gave him the ability to draft Stroud,,WA, Stingley,Green, etc...
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This is the most important aspect of Caserio's tenure as Texans GM. Not the terms, they were pretty much set by the market. But how Caserio navigated the situation up to the trade.

Lucky said:
You know what the most important thing Caserio did in regards to the Watson trade buildup? He didn't devalue the product. Nick didn't disparage the player. He didn't disparage the agent. He didn't fine the player or try to turn the situation into a media circus. And further more, Caserio never has. It's business and it's about business. And that's why when it came time to select CJ Stroud as the Texans franchise QB, Stroud's agent was not an issue.

In retrospect, the Texans and Texans fans owe Nick Caserio. Big time.
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steelbtexan said:
Then why did they hire Culley? They planned on him being the HC for two years.

BTW, what happened to guys like SAS calling the McNair's racists?
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They did, and Cal caved. Regrettable. Should have been a two year prove it deal. After all he won more games than Lovie and he had Lovie on his staff. 25 million is a lot to me, but guess not to billionaires
 
Lucky said:
Who knows? Take it up with Smith, he has a twitter/X account.

This is the most important aspect of Caserio's tenure as Texans GM. Not the terms, they were pretty much set by the market. But how Caserio navigated the situation up to the trade.
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I believe you know.


Caserio set the market, he said he wouldn't trade Derrick for less than three 1st rd picks and then teams started adding on to the three 1st rd picks. Rumor has it that Atlanta had a better deal on the table, but Derrick had a no trade and told Caserio that he wanted to go where the guaranteed money was. (Cleveland)
 
chenjy9 said:
If DeRapist was pure trash, we wouldn’t have been able to trade him for the 3 1st round picks that, combined with Caserio and CJ’s rookie contract allowed us to field today’s team
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BOB made him look better than he really was.
 
Lucky said:
The mistake, the one that counted, was the extension to Schaub before seeing how he would comeback from the injury. Here's what I said before and after the 2012 season regarding a Schaub extension.

Before the 2012 season and the Schaub extension.



After the 2012 season and Schaub signing the extension.


It wasn't the lack of spending, @dalemurphy. It was what the Texans spent their cap on.
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Here's a guy who believe's Bob McNair would've brought in Mixon/Diggs into his org. and spent money to bring in Hunter/ Autry/Al Shaair in one off-season. LMAO

When did Bob ever bring in character questions like Diggs/Mixon and spend even more on guys like Hunter/Autry/Al Shaair in the same off-season? Surely you could see the difference in the way the team is being run if you could take your head out of the memory of Bob McNair's azz.
 
Sweech said:
They didn't re-sign Demeco because he didn't fit Wade's 3-4 defense incredibly well and was going to be worth more $$$ to some other team than he would be to us. Glover Quin was let go because at the time sentiment was we wanted a true turnover generating deep safety and opted to go for a washed Ed Reed instead of Quin who ironically ended up leading the league in interceptions for the Lions while Ed Reed ended up being a complete and utter bust.

Demeco for as awesome of a player he was wasn't necessarily a mistake to not re-sign. Quin was alright too but wasn't necessarily devastating to lose him as he had never played as well for us as he did for Detroit - no guarantee he plays that well staying in our system. Spending the $ and time trying to woo Ed Reed was the major mistake.

The other big mistake in the window was not retaining more of the o-line and the hubris of thinking Matt Schaub was going to bring us to the promise land. Especially instead of going out and getting someone like Manning.
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If RS hadn't insisted on extending Schaub, Manning would've been a Texan.
 
steelbtexan said:
When did Bob ever bring in character questions like Diggs/Mixon
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Diggs has had some issues in the Bills locker room. That was never the type of character concern the McNairs cared about. Mixon hit the woman in Oklahoma when he was a teenager. That would have given them pause. But that was many years and apologies ago. Had a coach like DeMeco vouched for a veteran Mixon, that would not have been an issue.

Keep tilting at your windmills, though.
 
Lucky said:
This is the most important aspect of Caserio's tenure as Texans GM. Not the terms, they were pretty much set by the market. But how Caserio navigated the situation up to the trade.
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That was the key. I thought it was very impressive the way Caserio maneuvered through all the media attention over the lawsuits & dealt with the no trade clause in Watson's contract. I also have to tip my hat to the owners because none of this happens without them signing off on all of it.

I was really angry when the Texans let Watson just sit out & draw his paycheck. In hindsight it was a brilliant move. Caserio & the Texans did everything they could to keep Watson's value as high as possible.
 
Lucky said:
Diggs has had some issues in the Bills locker room. That was never the type of character concern the McNairs cared about. Mixon hit the woman in Oklahoma when he was a teenager. That would have given them pause. But that was many years and apologies ago. Had a coach like DeMeco vouched for a veteran Mixon, that would not have been an issue.

Keep tilting at your windmills, though.
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When did McNair ever bring in guys like Diggs/Mixon?

Oh, that's right, NEVER
 
mws said:
That was the key. I thought it was very impressive the way Caserio maneuvered through all the media attention over the lawsuits & dealt with the no trade clause in Watson's contract. I also have to tip my hat to the owners because none of this happens without them signing off on all of it.

I was really angry when the Texans let Watson just sit out & draw his paycheck. In hindsight it was a brilliant move. Caserio & the Texans did everything they could to keep Watson's value as high as possible.
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I never thought Caserio would get as much as he did for the Pervert. He did a great job.
 
Lucky said:
I believe I know what? No one on this forum thought the Texans were racist for firing Culley or Lovie. No one on this forum is/was standing up for Smith's idiotic take. Where are you going with this?
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The reason why is SAS is actually a racist and with the hiring of Ryans/drafting of Stroud that shut him up.
 
Lucky said:
This is the most important aspect of Caserio's tenure as Texans GM. Not the terms, [but]they were pretty much set by the market. [/b] But how Caserio navigated the situation up to the trade.
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Caserio set the market. He said from the beginning three 1’s and three 2’s. The market didn’t set itself.
 
mws said:
That was the key. I thought it was very impressive the way Caserio maneuvered through all the media attention over the lawsuits & dealt with the no trade clause in Watson's contract. I also have to tip my hat to the owners because none of this happens without them signing off on all of it.

I was really angry when the Texans let Watson just sit out & draw his paycheck. In hindsight it was a brilliant move. Caserio & the Texans did everything they could to keep Watson's value as high as possible.
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Yes it was a masterful job by Quick The Nick.
 
Texansballer74 said:
A lot of people were calling them racist. Just like some were calling a lot of the white owners racist.
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Your point is?

Anybody calling the McNair's racists were in fact racists themselves. I mean they hired RS, Culley, Lovie and now Ryans and still got called racist. Sickening.
 
steelbtexan said:
He called the McNair's racists when they clearly aren't racists. He may not be racist but his actions are that of a racist.
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Is your last name Webster because you’re trying to redefine a word. There’s a difference in being a race baiter and being a racist. SAS was just trying to rile up people for ratings using race as the bait. This happens both ways BTW and includes one famous billionaire, if not two. Be consistent and call it both ways.
 
TexansBull said:
He said from the beginning three 1’s and three 2’s.
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The Texans didn't receive 3 1sts and 3 2nds. And Nick didn't set a market that was unrealistic. He wasn't giving the player away, but with multiple teams willing to give up 3 1sts and more, he didn't have to. Any GM in the league could have gotten the same deal. As long as they didn't disparage the product. That was the key.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Well, that's just letting the inmates run the asylum...

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Lucky said:
The Texans didn't receive 3 1sts and 3 2nds. And Nick didn't set a market that was unrealistic. He wasn't giving the player away, but multiple teams willing to give up 3 1sts and more, he didn't have to. Any GM in the league could have gotten the same deal. As long as they didn't disparage the product. That was the key.
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That isn’t true.

Have you ever negotiated before?

You don’t start asking for what you want. You start off asking for something higher than what you want. What Caserio did should be obvious to everyone. He went in with high demands, to get what he was truly after: the first round draft picks. That thinned the prospective buyers immediately. Had he not done that then teams would have came to him lowballing him first. Nick set the market by doing just that. Again - what he did should be obvious and by not giving him credit for that is being willfully blind.

Not all GMs could have gotten that deal either. Some would have released Watson immediately. And others would not have been smart enough to have set the market the way he did.
 
Porky said:
Is your last name Webster because you’re trying to redefine a word. There’s a difference in being a race baiter and being a racist. SAS was just trying to rile up people for ratings using race as the bait. This happens both ways BTW and includes one famous billionaire, if not two. Be consistent and call it both ways.
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I'm not trying to redifine anything.
 
Sweech said:
As opposed to Case shitting the bed?

Which has probably happened more often given amount of opportunities.
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We're talking about backup QBs here. Yeah, they're going to sht the bed.

If you've got a defense that can win games for you like the Browns, by all means... a play-it-safe game-manager is all you need at the back-up QB position. If you rely on the QB making plays to win games, Tannehill ain't the one. If Case was really good at it, he wouldn't be a back-up QB. If you need a guy to get it right for 12 out of 16 games, Case ain't the one. But if you're looking for a guy to get it right for two/three games, I'd rather roll with Case than Tannehill.

But that's just me. & goes back to my original point. There isn't anyone out there hands down better than the backup QBs we have. There are other guys that our fans aren't tired of seeing yet, but that's a different story.
 
thunderkyss said:
We're talking about backup QBs here. Yeah, they're going to sht the bed.

If you've got a defense that can win games for you like the Browns, by all means... a play-it-safe game-manager is all you need at the back-up QB position. If you rely on the QB making plays to win games, Tannehill ain't the one. If Case was really good at it, he wouldn't be a back-up QB. If you need a guy to get it right for 12 out of 16 games, Case ain't the one. But if you're looking for a guy to get it right for two/three games, I'd rather roll with Case than Tannehill.

But that's just me. & goes back to my original point. There isn't anyone out there hands down better than the backup QBs we have. There are other guys that our fans aren't tired of seeing yet, but that's a different story.
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It's just you and Tannehill is miles better than Case or Mills.
 
thunderkyss said:
We're talking about backup QBs here. Yeah, they're going to sht the bed.

If you've got a defense that can win games for you like the Browns, by all means... a play-it-safe game-manager is all you need at the back-up QB position. If you rely on the QB making plays to win games, Tannehill ain't the one. If Case was really good at it, he wouldn't be a back-up QB. If you need a guy to get it right for 12 out of 16 games, Case ain't the one. But if you're looking for a guy to get it right for two/three games, I'd rather roll with Case than Tannehill.

But that's just me. & goes back to my original point. There isn't anyone out there hands down better than the backup QBs we have. There are other guys that our fans aren't tired of seeing yet, but that's a different story.
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At some point, the Texans need to draft a quarterback to start being Stroud's backup. 2025 too soon.

5th round?
 
thunderkyss said:
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Texans should never use that O. 4 in backfield with no WR? Both TEs blocking down field on LBs okay but obviously not targets for dump pass if required. It's a good way to get Stroud killed by that unblocked cornerback or the defensive end.

Now if that TE on left side tangled the opposite DE to slow then tried to engage LB while Tank Dell went 1 on 1 with CB...
Stroud has option to throw deep or if he wants to run for possibly substantial yardage.

One of those 3 RBs would not be on field.
 
Sweech said:
What's even crazier is there were teams willing to give more but we had to take the Browns because the predator wanted his fully guaranteed contract.
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I definitely wanted more and was pushing for the Dolphins. However, as it worked out, I am very glad that the Browns are getting browned. The only negative is Watson is getting his money.
 
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