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NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis February 19-24, 2014

He might be...

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Dee Ford: I'm better than Clowney

"I'm better. Let's put it like this. People like to talk about size all the time. Size is pretty much overrated in my eyes," Ford said. "You can look at guys like Robert Mathis, Elvis Dumervil, Von Miller. These are 6-2 guys and under. People are just looking at the fact that he's a physical specimen. Honestly if you watch the film, he plays like a blind dog in a meat market basically.

"I play with a lot of technique. I watch a lot of film. These are the things I do and it shows up."

Ford also urged anyone that doubts him to "go watch the film."
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John Middlekauff ‏@JohnMiddlekauff
EVERY NFL guy I talk w/ this weekend tells me Michigan LT Taylor Lewan solidified himself as a top guy this weekend.

Twitter is MUCH higher than NFL teams on Teddy Bridgewater. I won't be shocked to see him drop out of the top 10
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After this weekend , I would take Robinson or Watkins over any of the QBs . I would throw Matthews in there for his versatility on the OL .
 
Texian said:
I agree somewhat with Ford, in that Clowney is a pin his ears back and tell him to sick the QB kind of player. Also, I don't think Clowney spends much time in the film room.
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I think he'd make a better Elephant.
 
Never liked De'Anthony Thomas as a pro prospect. Best case scenario he was Dante Hall or Trindon Holliday. Worst case he left school early for no reason and has played his last football.

He's a special teams weapon only. On offense, he's either a WR who can't run routes or catch, or he's a RB who can only run fly sweeps.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
He didn't play as much towards the end of the season .
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He got injured and had his spot taken by a better player.

He wanted to be used differently than Oregon wanted to use him. I respect his toughness and desire but the writing was on the wall and he refused to try to be anything other than an inside the tackles runner.
 
bah007 said:
Never liked De'Anthony Thomas as a pro prospect. Best case scenario he was Dante Hall or Trindon Holliday. Worst case he left school early for no reason and has played his last football.

He's a special teams weapon only. On offense, he's either a WR who can't run routes or catch, or he's a RB who can only run fly sweeps.
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As far as I know, he has never been considered as anything other than a RS - return specialist. It's just that this isn't a named position, so he's listed as a RB.
 
bah007 said:
Beckham at 2.1 and Moncrief at 3.1 (neither is likely to make it that far) are probably my favorite WRs for us in this draft. If they make it to those spots I take them, regardless of other needs.
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I want cooks at 2.1 for the slot.
 
Texn4life said:
Maybe I missed it earlier in the thread, but whats the deal with the player who went home because God told him to?
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According to Michael Gehlken of the San Diego Union Tribune, former San Diego State running back Adam Muema has left the NFL scouting combine on Sunday due to religious reasons.

He believes if he does what God told him to do (leave the combine) he would realize his dream of playing for the Seattle Seawawks.

“Can’t go wrong with God,” Muema said. “(He) told me to sit down, be quiet, enjoy the peace.”
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Link
 
Lucky said:
Yeah, that's the same thing.

So you think you know better than his agent and advisers, who get paid big $$$ to make these types of decisions every year? Can you give one example of where a QB didn't run at the combine and was downgraded on draft day?
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Paying big bucks for advice doesn't mean you're actually getting good advice.
 
So an unofficial 4.47 for Clowney. It looked slower, I think it gets pushed back officially to around a 4.52.

EDIT- I should add it was his first run.
 
Alphabetical order, so Clowney up early. Mayoc just said he saw him a HS all star game few years ago and he was heavier then than now at 266.
4.47 unofficial. 4.55 ish official probably, so not bad. Clowney is smooth, like a track athlete or
basketball player, not at all chiseled.
 
Marshall said:
Paying big bucks for advice doesn't mean you're actually getting good advice.
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Nor does it mean you're getting poor advice. If you go to IMG, etc. and ask them to prepare you and advise you, what's the point if you aren't going to follow their advice?
 
4.65 for Donald (unofficial 1st run)

If he is there in the 2nd, I would have absolutely no qualms with taking him. Great athleticism, great football player. Crennel can find a place for him.
 
Matt Barkley was projected as the 2nd best QB in the 2013 Draft and a top 10 pick. He chose not to throw and he dropped all the way to the 4 rnd because there was a suspicion that he was worried about residual from a mid Nov shoulder strain his last collegiate season. His shoulder actually checked out OK. but his draft status was still affected. Manziel had a shoulder injury last year. It could still leave questions about its status now that he has chosen not to throw. Besides, not throwing off-script as must be done at the Combine, can't help but leave additional questions, since he will present only exhaustively-practiced finely scripted plays with familiar receivers at his Pro Day. This will still leave a big question looming over his head..........can he take instruction and stay within the dictates of a structured offense.

USC QB Matt Barkley will not throw at the scouting combine
 
Clowney's 10 yard split of 1.56 equalled that of USC WR Marquise Lee.

Dee Ford held back by medical team. Had back surgery earlier in his career.
 
IDEXAN said:
Any non believers left at this point ?
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Plenty. Mayock trashing him again today, Sapp too.

3 cone drill most interesting for DL for me today. I don't expect him to do well in that drill.

4.47/4.48 with 1.56 10 yard splits on both.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Matt Barkley was projected as the 2nd best QB in the 2013 Draft and a top 10 pick. He chose not to throw and he dropped all the way to the 4 rnd because there was a suspicion that he was worried about residual from a mid Nov shoulder strain his last collegiate season. His shoulder actually checked out OK. but his draft status was still affected. Manziel had a shoulder injury last year. It could still leave questions about its status now that he has chosen not to throw. Besides, not throwing off-script as must be done at the Combine, can't help but leave additional questions, since he will present only exhaustively-practiced finely scripted plays with familiar receivers at his Pro Day. This will still leave a big question looming over his head..........can he take instruction and stay within the dictates of a structured offense.

USC QB Matt Barkley will not throw at the scouting combine
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Some have said his biggest mistake was staying in school and putting up a worse year as a Senior.

To contrast with Both Bridgewater and Manziel - Barkley had less yds, Less TD, Lower comp % AND more Int. (Only Manziel had more picks, but was net positive in all other stats)
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Matt Barkley was projected as the 2nd best QB in the 2013 Draft and a top 10 pick. He chose not to throw and he dropped all the way to the 4 rnd because there was a suspicion that he was worried about residual from a mid Nov shoulder strain his last collegiate season. His shoulder actually checked out OK. but his draft status was still affected. Manziel had a shoulder injury last year. It could still leave questions about its status now that he has chosen not to throw. Besides, not throwing off-script as must be done at the Combine, can't help but leave additional questions, since he will present only exhaustively-practiced finely scripted plays with familiar receivers at his Pro Day. This will still leave a big question looming over his head..........can he take instruction and stay within the dictates of a structured offense.

USC QB Matt Barkley will not throw at the scouting combine
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I remember that well, that was a dramatic drop from expectations, every mock draft guy in the country was clueless, had egg on his face after that crash by Barkley to the 4th round.
So did Barkley not throw on his schools Pro Day either ?
 
IDEXAN said:
I remember that well, that was a dramatic drop from expectations, every mock draft guy in the country was clueless, had egg on his face after that crash by Barkley to the 4th round.
So did Barkley not throw on his schools Pro Day either ?
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Yes he did.
 
Playoffs said:
Plenty. Mayock trashing him again today, Sapp too.

3 cone drill most interesting for DL for me today. I don't expect him to do well in that drill.

4.47/4.48 with 1.56 10 yard splits on both.
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Yea, I hear 'em.
But see Clowney isn't a player with issues, you know, a real talented guy like a Randy Moss who also had real serious off field problems. Clowney lacks motivation, needs a leader, a mentor, he's really a lot like Mario was IMO, but he's not a "bad kid".
But had Lovie Smith got the HC job here, I think there would have been an excellent chance we'd take Clowney, but not so much with O'Brien.
 
Lord Bills said:
have they taken the wonderlic?

in terms of intelligence i think scoring high on wonderlic is better than scoring high on interviews which is basically nothing but a date situation where you lie about yourself to make yourself look better.


what are the wonderlic scores for bortles, manziel, and bridgewater?
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I disagree. I've listened to former GMs talk about the interviews before and to a degree it can be more like a situation of the player being on the witness stand in that some of the questions the team asks, they already know the answer. If the player comes up with a different answer. A flag. I think there's a little more to it than filling out a questionnaire on date.com. Sure there's a little fluff I'm sure but the players won't come out ahead trying to BS their way through it.

It's been said the Wonderlic results really have no bearing on it and if you do badly one can get a do-over. You know, so you have a chance to raise your test score from 6 all the way up to 8.
 
WolverineFan said:
He didn't run a lot of routes over the middle at Clemson. I would play him outside and play AJ in the slot. AJ has lost a step so you can take advantage of his size and route running ability in the slot a lot like Baltimore and San Francisco did with Boldin the last few years.
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Last season, at least. :spin:
 
IDEXAN said:
Yea, I hear 'em.
But see Clowney isn't a player with issues, you know, a real talented guy like a Randy Moss who also had real serious off field problems. Clowney lacks motivation, needs a leader, a mentor, he's really a lot like Mario was IMO, but he's not a "bad kid".
But had Lovie Smith got the HC job here, I think there would have been an excellent chance we'd take Clowney, but not so much with O'Brien.
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I see lack of motivation as pretty much one of the biggest issues you can have (other than being a criminal). No person can teach another person who doesn't want to learn. All of the rah-rah motivation speeches in the world won't get a guy to move who's satisfied right where he is.

Here's a guy who was supposed to be an absolute physical freak. Then he comes to the combine lighter and weaker than expected. That shows a lack of dedication to the weight room.

His most recent tape shows him as a guy who's absolutely happy playing patty-cake with tackles and who stops running when the play is past him or away from him. And that's NOT the guy from his previous season(s) who was willing and able to run down running backs all the way down the field.

This guy has risk written all over him.
 
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