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NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis February 19-24, 2014

IDEXAN said:
Manziel's official 40 time is 4.68 (barely breaking 4.7), 'bout what I expected but not really that impressive for a guy who's supposed to be a big-time running threat because his arm is nothing to brag about. I dunno, all depends on how much O'Brien likes him ?
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I think he was a bit faster than that when he played, which makes me think even more that he added a good 10-15 pounds before combine.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Manziel official 40 time: 4.68.
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Thomas ran faster which is not surprising. Shaw ran faster which isn't surprising to me, but may be to others. Carr ran faster, which is very surprising to me.

I figured he would clock in close to 4.60, but didn't think his official time would be that low.

Doesn't change the evaluation on him, but like I said in the other thread, it's pretty funny considering how many posters (Aggies) were saying he would blaze it.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Manziel official 40 time: 4.68.
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That's about what I expected.
I think manziel is quicker than he is fast. If he bulks up any at the next level that number might go down some. I'm not sure his running ability is going to be a huge positive, but his overall mobility should still help. His creativeness. His movement fluidity.

I still wouldn't take him, but right team, right situation...could be a good player.
 
_King_ said:
Are you dense or do you just like to quibble?

How about this, I know a couple people that have worked/work in pro sports. I know someone that worked for kubiak. I have close friends that have played/play in the nfl. I've witnessed teammates going through pro days and have talked to nfl scouts. I'm sure you think those guys know jack and agents always make the correct moves.

A few of those people have told me that they prefer to see guys participate at the combine where they aren't completely comfortable against guys in a level playing field.

Now you can do with that what you want. I really don't give a ****.

All I said was I didn't like him saying he'd run and then not running. You start going off on a tangent about all this other bull ****. Whatever. I'm done with this conversation.
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I think this applies to guys who are trying to make a name for themselves . Teddy's people are taking the stance of he is a top 3 pick and doesn't have to prove anything .
 
disaacks3 said:
Here are some of the highest QB Wonderlic scores...show me the great players among them.

Ryan Fitzpatrick 2005 Harvard 48
Greg McElroy 2011 Alabama 43
Jason Maas 1999 Oregon 43
Blaine Gabbert 2011 Missouri 42
Drew Henson 2000 Michigan 42
Bruce Eugene 2006 Grambling State 41
Hugh Millen 1986 Washington 41
Link
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i didnt say having high woderlic scores made you a great quarterback. i just said it was a greater indicator of intelligence than the team sit down interviews.

Have they taken the wonderlic was my original question.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I think this applies to guys who are trying to make a name for themselves . Teddy's people are taking the stance of he is a top 3 pick and doesn't have to prove anything .
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One guy I talked to used the specific angle if guys at the top of the draft.

I'm not thinking about this from an agent perspective and how they view their clients.

Nfl teams have questions about guys. They aren't as convinced as you are. (Not YOU, but the player and their camp)

I didn't say that it will or won't have any impact. People tend to blow up a simple statement and go all wacky.

All I initially said was that I (me personally) didn't like him saying he'd run and then backing out. What if any difference that makes to an nfl team, I have no idea. Could it matter? Absolutely. Could it be totally non relevant. Absolutely.
 
Todd McShay ‏@McShay13
Ore State's Brandin Cooks (4.33) and Pitt State's John Brown (4.34) ran only sub-4.4 40-yard dashes for WRs. Five WRs with sub-4.4's last yr

12 guys with sub-4.4 unofficial 40 times but only two with "official" sub-4.4 40 times. Little bit of a difference!
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Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks
Johnny Manziel 40-4.68, VJ-31.5, BJ-9'5.

Logan Thomas 40- 4.61, VJ-35.5, BJ-9'10 (tops among QBs in each of the three).

Lache Seastrunk broad jumped 11'2.
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TexansSeminole said:
Manziel official 40 time: 4.68.
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Short area quickness is tops.

_King_ said:
So he did decide to participate in something. Good.
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Makes me wonder if he tweaked something... ?

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
Official WR 40 times:
Cooks 4.33
Moncrief 4.40
Richardson 4.40
Bryant 4.42
Beckham Jr. 4.43
Watkins 4.43
Saunders 4.44
Ellington 4.45
Matthews 4.46
Herron 4.48
Norwood 4.48
Gallon 4.49
Abbrederis 4.50
Hazel 4.50
Lee 4.52
Evans 4.53
Benjamin 4.61
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_King_ said:
Whatever. I'm done with this conversation.
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So you don't know of a QB that was hurt by not running at the combine? I can't think of one, either. Kind of makes the whining about Bridgewater not running today seem foolish.
 
Lucky said:
So you don't know of a QB that was hurt by not running at the combine? I can't think of one, either. Kind of makes the whining about Bridgewater not running today seem foolish.
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I just wish Bridgewater would have run the 40 so we could get a quick look see at him. You know with all of this talk about how frail, small-boned, whatever I'd just like to see the guys physique, his muscularity, etc.
But I don't blame a QB for not wanting to throw at the Combine because it makes sense that he'd risk his best performance if unfamiliar and perhaps uncomfortable with receivers he'd be throwing too.
 
Bridgewater not running or throwing? No real surprise or big deal, pretty sure he's mote focused on interviews. He's got an NFL arm and scrambling isn't his game, scouts know that, GMs know it.; his game is predicated on whats in,between the ears.

Manziel running a slower than expected 40? Semi surprising, but isn't going to kill his stock draftwise really but does add layer of concern to his size considering mobility is a large part of his game. Doesn't have a rocket arm, but its NFL caliber when he sets his feet.

Bortles had most to gain of three, not sure he knocked it out of park, but didn't do much to hurt himself either i think. Physical build you want in a QB, supposedly has good intangibles, but arm is a concern.

IMO who stood out from little bits i got: Greg Robinson. A guy who moves that quick at that size?! Killer. Place him on right side bookend tackles for next 4 years. Watkins, jeeze can you imagine the fits defenses would be in dealing with AJ, Hopkins, AND Watkins?! Though problem remains who distributes ball? Both could be top 10 locks now.
 
Mike Evans with a really good day.

I think that guy is going to be a monster.









If he can stop with the offensive PI. Or hide it better.
 
_King_ said:
Mike Evans with a really good day.

I think that guy is going to be a monster.
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Yea, Evans having a nice day.

Official numbers for 6' 4.75" 231 lbs Evans:

40 time: 4.53

Vertical Jump: 37"

Only 12 reps on the bench but I don't think that is a big deal.
 
Lache Seastrunk (5'9" 201 lbs) having the most explosive day (hasn't run his 40 yet).

Vertical Jump: 41.5"

Broad Jump: 11'2"

Both tops for all groups thus far.
 
Donte Moncrief (6'2" 221 lbs) had a nice day overall.

40 time: 4.40

Vertical Jump: 39.5"

Broad Jump: 11'

Only 13 reps on bench, again not big deal.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Donte Moncrief (6'2" 221 lbs) had a nice day overall.

40 time: 4.40

Vertical Jump: 39.5"

Broad Jump: 11'

Only 13 reps on bench, again not big deal.
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Beckham at 2.1 and Moncrief at 3.1 (neither is likely to make it that far) are probably my favorite WRs for us in this draft. If they make it to those spots I take them, regardless of other needs.
 
Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
Best QB in 2nd group was Tom Savage. Has a gun for arm. #NFLCombine
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  • In conversations here in Indy its apparent the quarterbacks stack up 1) Bortles, 2) Bridgewater, 3) Carr, 4) Manziel on a number of team boards.
  • Last night at dinner with a few scouts I learned that an FBI profiler was brought in to review the interview tapes of Aaron Hernandez from the 2010 combine. The profiler pointed out a number of signs during the interview which would’ve raised red flags had he seen it in 2010; body language, the way Hernandez answered questions, his body language answering questions. Bottom line is more teams will bring in profilers to review these interview tapes.
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bah007 said:
Beckham at 2.1 and Moncrief at 3.1 (neither is likely to make it that far) are probably my favorite WRs for us in this draft. If they make it to those spots I take them, regardless of other needs.
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I like beckham. Should be quite a few really good prospects for us to pick up in the second and third rounds.
 
Gerald McKinnon - RB, Georgia Southern

5-9, 209
4.38 forty (unofficial)
32 bench reps
40.5 inch vertical
11' ft broad jump
 
McKinnon caught my eye against Florida. 9 carries for 125 yards and also scored the game winning TD.

Looked like the best skill player on the field that day. At that time, I just chalked it up to Florida being awful on offense, but clearly he is an athlete.

Played QB and RB in Georgia Southern's triple option. 9 Tds as a SO, 27 as a JR, and 16 as a SR. Kid can play. He's just very raw. Started out as a CB before moving to QB.
 
AngryNateFTW said:
That was the same exact wording given to Arian Foster when he was at the Combine. I knew nothing about this guy, or Dri Archer RB Kent State.
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I hadn't heard of him until the Senior Bowl. Was not impressed. He didn't play like a guy who had these measureables that day.

I love Archer. Had a fantastic junior year, but struggled with some injuries this past year and never really got going. Looks like a cross between Sproles and McCluster. Has that Sproles-level athleticism that McCluster lacks, but has more of a McCluster-type skill set.
 
bah007 said:
McKinnon caught my eye against Florida. 9 carries for 125 yards and also scored the game winning TD.

Looked like the best skill player on the field that day. At that time, I just chalked it up to Florida being awful on offense, but clearly he is an athlete.

Played QB and RB in Georgia Southern's triple option. 9 Tds as a SO, 27 as a JR, and 16 as a SR. Kid can play. He's just very raw. Started out as a CB before moving to QB.
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Any similarity to Tony Hollings?
 
Carlos Hyde done with a pulled hamstring. Ran a 4.62 on his first run but pulled up lame after.

Sucks for him. Had an opportunity to cement himself as the top runner. Wouldn't be surprised if Tre Mason picks up the slack here.
 
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