The issue with this is where would the Texans draft in 2024 had they not given up their 1st AND played Mills or Keenum? You have no idea what the Texans draft pick would be in 2024.
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Preposterous.
Get a good QB, with the right agent, who doesn't hang around questionable characters & you'll win more championships than not. This ain't rocket science.
Oh yeah, make sure he's got a good relationship with his dad. If his dad is not a medical professional from Nigeria (of course).
That's not the bet you want to make unless you think one or more of the top 3 QBs are going to fall past wherever the Texans draft.
If you're following your plan, taking a flyer on Corral/Bennett & rolling with Mills you can finagle your way to a top 5 pick plus you'd have an additional 1st round pick to facilitate a trade to #1 if you wanted.
That would indicate another year of tanking. That was never on the table. So the Texans would have needed to address QB in FA with more than Keenum. Maybe Garoppolo would have been given a larger offer?
But these guys have said they would prefer some of the 2nd tier QBs to Stroud. He's dumb. Can't handle pressure. Not a winner. I think my offer is more than fair to their opinions.
According to most around these parts Mills sucked so bad the worst record was almost a guarantee.
I think Stroud will be a top 12-15 QB. I think the 2024 QB class will have at least 1 guy that's better than that. Probably more.
If you think the way I do, the smart money would be on being patient. Of course the McNair's have never been patient, which is a big reason why they have never won anything.
Right, but do you think that one QB will fall to the Texans pick?
The bet you made with Lucky does not include the top 3 QBs of 2024, which is where you started your argument, which was a good argument.
Apparently I'm not understanding the bet. I'm out.
Any of the QB's drafted this year plus any of the QB's that fall to the Cleveland 1st round pick (that Texans hold) (no trades allowed) versus Stroud. Seems pretty simple to me
Texian
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The reason the Texans have a very difficult time trying to find success is that Cal has a reactive personality. He only gets involved when he absolutely has to (lazy). He has never been proactive because he does not know how. He does not understand a commitment to excellence. For example, a responsible proactive owner would've never allowed the Hopkins, Tunsil or Anderson trades. Cal is easily influenced; he is not an influencer. Texans fans best hope with McNair's as owners are proverbial blind squirrels or lightning in the bottle. Disappointment is the usual most common McNair deliverance.
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ArmyBengal
Retired Army Medical NCO
The idea of passing up Stroud or Young in this draft on the "hope" of getting a top QB in 2024 is the type of stuff that gets a GM fired.
When no one knows who the top QB's are going to be or how they do in the upcoming college season, but somehow come to the conclusion to bypass a QB this year when you are picking at the top of the round, seems crazy to me. What guarantees a team will be picking high enough to take a QB that you hope is going to be better than what you can currently have?
Then not having your first round pick, but the Browns first rounder changes the dynamic further. Your team will have no control whatsoever, so even if you want to tank, it's irrelevant to what the Browns do. I also don't think the Browns are going to suck this year, so there's that.
So pass on Young or Stroud for uncertainty next year? If my team did that, I would be pissed as a fan.
When no one knows who the top QB's are going to be or how they do in the upcoming college season, but somehow come to the conclusion to bypass a QB this year when you are picking at the top of the round, seems crazy to me. What guarantees a team will be picking high enough to take a QB that you hope is going to be better than what you can currently have?
Then not having your first round pick, but the Browns first rounder changes the dynamic further. Your team will have no control whatsoever, so even if you want to tank, it's irrelevant to what the Browns do. I also don't think the Browns are going to suck this year, so there's that.
So pass on Young or Stroud for uncertainty next year? If my team did that, I would be pissed as a fan.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Totally agree. CJ was cheap. No trade up involved. How much will it cost to move up next year For a QB? Really I think the biggest reason that this was a no brainer was not seeing DM progress in year two. Now if DM looks good in TC and beyond and if CJ looks the part the Texans will be in an enviable position at that position.
Remember the conversation we had the other day. It is totally possible that someone doesn't think these two guys are "franchise QBs" I for one would not trust my franchise's future to Bryce Young.
Also remember the other conversation we had the other other day. Teams are discussing these players long before most of us even know who they are.
Lastly, remember the word is that we were going to do just that. Take Will Anderson & pass on the two QBs at the top. That doesn't mean they were waiting on a QB in 2024, they may have been targeting a QB later in the draft.
Yeah, but the premise is that we pass on QB in 2023. We'd have two 1st round picks in the 2024 draft & Davis Mills under Center... we could be fairly sure of getting what we want, especially if you believe there are 3 or more QBs better than any of the 2023 QBs (I don't believe that, but it's that mentality we're discussing).
The only thing that would have pissed me off in 2023 was if my team spent a top 15 pick on Bryce Young.
If Mills looks decent in Camp/Preseason I'd feel pretty good about letting Keenum go. Davis would be QB2 & we'll see how it plays out.
TexansBull
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Your whole post reads that you want an owner telling his GM what to do. A meddling owner. I thought people wanted a hands off owner?
Second - No one knows for certain who was running the show after Bob McNair passed. Was it Janice, Cal, OB or Easterby? That’s how you have a Hopkins/Tunsil scenario.
And it has been well documented that the Anderson trade was really the Stroud trade.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
The word that we were going to pass on one of those two QB’s was the word on the street only. It’s only good for gossip. Texans never said anything one way or the other and proved it by quickly picking CJ then moving to secure the pick for Anderson. They wanted them both from the start unless you think the WA trade was concocted on the spur of the moment after spending just one minute to draft CJ. For me I just want to see this team on the rise this year. No telling what the emotional toll on the team would be to play through another year like last year.
It would play out a lot like last year, when the Texans had a QB room without a veteran presence.
you think Case Keenum in the locker room would have made Mills a proBowler? if not, what are we talking about?
Jerrod Johnson played. They really don't need any more than that... imo, as far as a veteran presence.
I don't know what the future holds. I don't know how Stroud's career is going to turn out. I don't know how Mills' career is going to turn out (I agree with you, it's not looking good). I'm pretty sure how Case Keenum's career will turn out & don't see it helping our favorite team. Keep the young guy, that's all I'm saying, if Mills has a good camp/preseason.
Who do you think will get the most playing time through the preseason? Case?
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Number of preseason plays under center will go to Case and Mills, with Stroud coming in 3rd. It's always that way for the starting QB, rookie or not. Come the regular season I'll be shocked if Stroud isn't the starter.
They will carry 3 QB's
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Thorn
Dirty Old Man
"New" emergency QB rule? Was the one already in place changed?
NFL teams can dress third QB on game days without using an active roster spot, new rule says
https://theathletic.com/4541890/2023/05/22/nfl-third-quarterback-rule/
Understood. The argument isn't about Stroud. I'm guessing Mills will get the lions
share. I'm not advocating for Mills. I'm not saying we're going to cut Keenum.
If Mills does well in the preseason I'd be OK with him being the backup. That's all I'm saying, as in I'm not ok with Mills being QB2 right now, but if he does well in TC & preseason...
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Understood. The argument isn't about Stroud. I'm guessing Mills will get the lions
I'm not advocating for Mills. I'm not saying we're going to cut Keenum.
If Mills does well in the preseason I'd be OK with him being the backup. That's all I'm saying, as in I'm not ok with Mills being QB2 right now, but if he does well in TC & preseason...
We're just guessing at this point, we need to see them in preseason. Since this is all a new system with new coaches any one of the three QBs could stand out in preseason depending on how quickly they pick it up. What I would expect, saying this before watching any preseason games, is that Stroud and Case will be active and Mills the emergency QB when the season starts. Mills and Case are interchangeable in that regard anyway, because Stroud will start.
I can't wait to see the turmoil and angst if Stroud doesn't start the first game, and Mills does. LOL. I don't think that'll happen though.
CloakNNNdagger
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Looks like the IRS may be hauling in the lucrative NIL. May make "donating" entities think twice about shoveling out the huge monies when they are not tax deductible.
I'm not guessing. I'm not predicting. I'm saying "if"
No, I was trying to clarify Lucky's bet for you
heymak
"I know nothing!". (Veteran)
I remember showing up to little league football practice with one of those helmets (vikings), coach "Nope, that plastic hat ain't gonna cut it".
Yes, that's exactly what I said. And I'm sure the Texans will cut Case Keenum once they see how great Mills is in the Slowick offense. Right again.
Why would the Texans take a cap hit to cut CK only to have to sign another QB?
Carr Bombed
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I missed your sarcasm at first, then I reread your comment and went back and reread the post you quoted. Subtlety is often lost on me
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Just saw on NFLN that the Jets plan to release Denzel Mims if they can't trade him per Rappaport
www.espn.com
Source: Jets to waive Mims if no trade for WR
Jets wide receiver Denzel Mims has been informed that he will be waived if he is not traded, a source confirmed to ESPN.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Just saw on NFLN that the Jets plan to release Denzel Mims if they can't trade him per Rappaport
Source: Jets to waive Mims if no trade for WR
Jets wide receiver Denzel Mims has been informed that he will be waived if he is not traded, a source confirmed to ESPN.
I’d have no issues with the Texans kicking the tires on this guy. 4.3-40 speed with his size could be a nice piece for Stroud.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
If at first you don't succeed..............
That 16 ypc would probably be helpful
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Just saw on NFLN that the Jets plan to release Denzel Mims if they can't trade him per Rappaport
Source: Jets to waive Mims if no trade for WR
Jets wide receiver Denzel Mims has been informed that he will be waived if he is not traded, a source confirmed to ESPN.
I wouldn't kick them too hard...
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The downfall of Denzel Mims: Here’s what really happened to the Jets WR
A deep dive into Denzel Mims' stats and film reveals why the New York Jets wide receiver experienced a dismal 2021 season.
By
Michael Nania
- 06/01/2022
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2022 season was not kinder.
Cleveland dismissed a defensive tackle. He allegedly brandished a gun and pointed it at his girlfriend or something like that. Crazy.
Some filthy rich guy in Columbus who is also a big Buckeye backer created a charitable organization wherein players are paid to make appearances at various fundraisers and community events.
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Detroit took Mims off the Jets hands. I believe he's going to get 6 games to make a statement with Jameson serving a 6 game suspension. If it goes good, Jameson will have a chance to determine who plays themselves into the WR1 spot.
badboy
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Wow ! He got a lot in sale but wow!
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badboy
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He was highly thought of entering NFL.