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PapaL said:
I believe it was codeine and not cocaine. He's been drinking "purple drank" which is Sprite and codeine mixed together.
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Thanks for the clarification. As an aside, as he reported to the Cowboys in June 30 pounds overweight, his future with the Boys this year would have otherwise still been in question.
 
In-season touchback rule change not impossible, but highly unlikely
Posted by Mike Florio on August 4, 2016, 11:07 AM EDT

With more and more coaches making it clear that they’ll consider kicking the ball short and forcing a return in lieu of giving the opposing team an extra five yards of field position, the NFL may have a problem. Specifically, the latest effort to decrease kickoffs could result in more of them. A lot more.

In an interview to be aired on Friday’s PFT Live on NBC Sports Radio (but pre-recorded and available for you to listen to below), Vikings coach Mike Zimmer doesn’t expressly say his team won’t kick the ball into the end zone, but Zimmer made clear his disdain for giving up five yards of field position.

So would the league change the touchback point from the 25 back to the 20 during the 2016 season? Per a league source, it’s not impossible, but it’s highly unlikely.

As the source explained it, change would happen only in “extraordinary” circumstances. It remains to be seen what amounts to “extraordinary” circumstances in this case, but given that the league wants to reduce kickoff returns by changing the touchback point, an actual increase in returns surely would be regarded as usual, unexpected, and undesired.
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Dont know why they ever thought giving the offense 5 extra yards was going to keep TB down in the first place.
 
Speedy said:
Dont know why they ever thought giving the offense 5 extra yards was going to keep TB down in the first place.
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The point is to increase TBs and decrease KRs. Thought being the returner won't come out as often because now they have to get 5 yds further just to get even to what they already have. But now coaches are saying they'll short kick and figure their coverage can stop KRs short of the 25.
 
Oops! That's what I meant. Don't know why they thought it would increase TB.
 
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Some interesting rare insight from a usually secretive coach.

Belichick delivers lengthy lecture on defensive linemen
August 5, 2016, 5:29 AM EDT

There’s a misconception about Patriots coach Bill Belichick that he hates talking to the media and responds to questions by grumbling one-word answers. The reality is that there are two types of questions and answers at Belichick press conferences.

There are, of course, the curt replies to questions Belichick doesn’t feel like answering. But when a reporter asks a question that interests Belichick — particularly a question about football strategy and technique — he is perhaps more willing than any coach in the NFL to take the time to give an in-depth answer.

Take Belichick’s response to a question on Thursday about the Patriots moving veteran defensive end Chris Long inside to play defensive tackle. When a reporter asked, “What does a player need to make that transition inside and have success?” Belichick gave a 250-word reply.

“It’s a different type of matchup,” Belichick said. “Generally, when an end works against a tackle it’s pretty much just those two guys. Sometimes a back or a tight end might chip him but for the most part it’s pretty much truly a one-on-one situation from a wider alignment with rush-lane responsibilities on the edge. Inside there’s a third guy involved somewhere between the center and the guards against usually two rushers, unless you blitz but let’s just say you don’t, if you rush four then it’s some version of three-on-two in there, so you’re dealing with another guy that you’re just not dealing with outside. The guards are generally have a little less length and a little less athleticism than the tackles but you also have a little less space in there. Seeing the way the protection slides, which way the center goes, whether you’re rushing on the guard or rushing on the center; as a defensive end you’re really not that worried about which way the slide is going because that doesn’t affect you too much. It might affect you from the inside to make an inside move on the tackle. The guard might be there, but again, I’d say overall that’s less of an issue than when you’re playing inside, so there are some scheme things, there’s a little matchup difference. It’s different for the guards to see those guys inside like that, too, that usually have more length, more speed, more quickness, less power generally.”

The follow up to that response was about whether bringing five pass rushers makes it hard for opposing offenses to match up, and Belichick again had a lengthy response.

“Yeah, well I think really the key number is six [rushers], not five,” Belichick said. “If it’s five, they can identify who you’re five are then they’re going to be five-on five. That’s what we see. If there is six, then there’s I would say, on paper anyways, a potential mismatch of a back or a tight end on one of those guys; a defensive end, or [Dont’a] Hightower, or [Jamie] Collins, or linebackers but you could call them ends if you wanted to. So, I would say those are where the mismatches are and then, if so, it could be any number of things where we could locate them. If there’s only five guys, if the team has one good blitzing linebacker and four down lineman then what we would do – what most teams would do, try to do probably – is just us five have those five and sort it out from there and get the other protector, usually the back, the sixth guy.”

He’s reticent on some topics, but Belichick loves talking about football.
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Wouldn't it be nice for the Texans kickers to be splitting hairs between being able to make 80 or 70 or even 60 yd field goals?

Broncos’ kicker doesn’t buy Justin Tucker’s 84-yard field goal claim
August 5, 2016, 7:38 AM EDT

Ravens kicker Justin Tucker claims he can make an 84-yard field goal at Denver’s mile-high altitude. Denver’s kicker doesn’t buy it.

Broncos kicker Brandon McManus told KUSA that if Tucker wants to back up his boast that he could make an 84-yard field goal under perfect conditions in Denver, McManus will pay for his trip to Denver.

“I will give him an all-expense paid trip if he can do it,’’ McManus said. “I’ll pay for his flight, his hotel, if he wants to come out here and do it. I’ll kick with him, I’ll witness it and I’ll vouch to the world that he can do it.’’

Tucker claimed that during pregame warmups in Denver, he tried an 85-yard field goal and hit the cross bar. McManus says he watched Tucker’s warmups and never saw him kick one from beyond the mid-70s — and even then, McManus said Tucker’s trajectory was so low that in a real game, such a field goal attempt would easily be blocked.

Tucker’s career-long field goal of 61 yards in Detroit in 2013 cleared the cross bar with a few yards to spare, so his sea-level range might be 65 yards. Kickers and physicists alike have estimated that the altitude in Denver can add 10 percent to a kicker’s range, so Tucker might be able to make one from beyond 70 yards in Denver. But beyond 80 yards? McManus is right to be skeptical.
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Colts working with Andrew Luck on getting the ball out quicker, footwork

When you read the article, they emphasize that these are only refinements to his mechanics. As we've seen in many QBs, when you mess with the mechanics that they've always demonstrated, it can mess with their performance (especially 5 years into starting in the NFL).........and when the bullets start flying, they tend to quickly revert back to their old ways anyway. To the Colts I say, keep on messing.............
 
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Concussed Jim Kelly went back to wrong hotel after Super Bowl XXVI
Eric Edholm
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Aug 5, 2016, 4:07 PM


If you want to hear scary stories about former players suffering concussions, the Pro Football Hall of Fame induction weekend might be a pretty good place to start.

Via ESPN’s Mike Rodak, we hear the story from Buffalo Bills quarterback and Hall of Famer Jim Kelly, who said he played the entire fourth quarter of Super Bowl XXVI with a concussion. The Bills lost to the Washington Redskins, 37-24, in the game on Jan. 26, 1992 at the Metrodome in Minneapolis that day.

He finished the game 28-of-58 passing for 275 yards, with two touchdowns (both of which came in the fourth quarter) and four interceptions in the loss. The old cliché about it being a game to forget rings pretty hollow when you hear Kelly’s scary words now about that day 24 years ago.

Kelly said he still has no recollection at all of that entire quarter and didn’t know where he was after the game ended. Even scarier: Kelly said he even went back to the wrong hotel after the game.

After throwing a pick early in the fourth that led to a 37-10 Redskins lead with just under 12 minutes left, Kelly led touchdown drives of 79 and 50 yards to make the final score more respectable. But he also had been knocked out of the game at the start of that first TD drive in the quarter, replaced by backup Frank Reich for one play before coming back in to lead the two scores. Reich replaced Kelly for good on the Bills’ final drive in the waning seconds once the game was academic.

Kelly played five more years in the NFL and took a beating in his final year of 1996, retiring after that season but briefly considering a comeback with the Baltimore Ravens in 1997 before settling into an announcing role. Kelly famously has suffered after his career ended, too, being diagnosed with cancer in 2013 — with multiple rounds of chemotherapy — and MRSA in 2014 before being declared cancer-free thereafter.

Although Kelly has talked about the effects he suffered in that Super Bowl before, begging Roger Goodell and the NFL to do more to help player safety, these details are absolutely frightening. Former teammate and fellow Hall of Famer Thurman Thomas said back in April that he had suffered from memory loss and mood swings.

The Hall of Fame weekend is a time for storytelling about the glory of football yore. But some of the stories that come out are downright scary knowing what we know today about the severe dangers of head trauma and repeated concussions.
 
Welcome to the wonderful world that was the Texans.........................

Gary Kubiak says he’s not close to picking a starting quarterback
August 6, 2016, 5:05 PM EDT

While the quarterback competition in Cleveland appears to be almost over, the competition in Denver has a long way to go.

Broncos quarterback Gary Kubiak said today that he is not close to picking a starting quarterback for the preseason opener, let alone the regular-season opener.

“I’m going one week at a time,” Kubiak said, via ESPN. “I will make a decision on what we’re going to next Thursday in Chicago and I haven’t come close to doing that yet.”

Mark Sanchez would seem to be the favorite, given that he’s the only quarterback on the Broncos’ roster who has ever thrown a pass in a regular-season game. But some observers in Denver say Trevor Siemian is having a stronger camp than Sanchez. The Broncos spent a first-round draft pick on Paxton Lynch, but he isn’t expected to be ready to start as a rookie.

Ultimately, the winner of the competition is likely to be whoever looks better in the preseason between Sanchez and Siemian. Kubiak may need to see both quarterbacks in three preseason games before making that determination.
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JB said:
Only a debacle for the Texans for the last three years.... hopefully over with now
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I guess I just don't get the comment as connected to Kubiak. The only indecision under Kubiak at QB came in season 2013. Prolonged summer QB competitions didn't exist, actually summer QB competitions at all.
 
infantrycak said:
I guess I just don't get the comment as connected to Kubiak. The only indecision under Kubiak at QB came in season 2013. Prolonged summer QB competitions didn't exist, actually summer QB competitions at all.
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I don't get it either, but I think he was just referring to the fact that Kubiak now has to deal with what the Texans had to deal with since his departure...
hence, the world that was Texans
 
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Jaylon Smith ‏@thejaylonsmith 19h19 hours ago
Earn it #ClearEyeView ✭
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It will take much more than rope tricks to get Jaylon Smith back on the field. Notice the brace he is wearing. It is a brace specifically used to keep the ankle dorsiflexed (cocked up) when a player has a foot drop secondary to severe peroneal nerve damage. You can strengthen the whole rest of the body all you want, but if the nerve function does not return, can't play LB while yet needing this brace. Still no improvement of return of peroneal nerve function. Situation remains not very promising.
 
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Eagles OT Lane Johnson is looking at a 10 game suspension for PED use. Says he took an amino acid supplement that he was told was approved. Riiiiiiiight!
 
Long and his agent claim that he tested positive for a peptide that binds amino acids. The manufacture and Long refute that the peptide is contained in the supplement.
 
Ever wonder what the deal is with Joey Bosa and the SD Chargers? Here's an excellent explanation I found on reddit; source:

What's the deal with Joey Bosa and the Chargers?

Bosa and the Chargers are currently involved in a dispute about the terms of their contract.

Aren't rookie deals preset in this CBA? What's the hold up?

Total money is set but there are still things to discuss, such as when bonus money is paid out and something called offset language, among other things. The big disagreement between Bosa and the Chargers is about the bonus payout and the offset language.

What is offset language?

Contracts for the top half of the first round are fully guaranteed. Offset language comes into play in the event a player doesn't finish out his contract.

Let's say, for the sake of simplicity, that Bosa signs a 4 year, $16M contract, at $4M a year. As the #3 pick in the draft, this deal would be fully guaranteed. Now let's say for whatever reason, the Chargers cut Bosa after year 3. They'd still owe him $4M.

Upon release, if Bosa signs a new deal with the Raiders for 1 year, $3M, then he would collect $7M that year. He'd get the $4M he's owed from the Chargers plus the $3M from the Raiders.

But with offset language in the contract, the Chargers wouldn't be responsible for the whole $4M. They would only be responsible for paying the difference between what they owe and what he earns with his new deal. So if he signs that $3M deal, the Chargers would only have to pay $1M ($4M they owe minus the $3M new deal). In this case, Bosa would only collect $4M that year ($3M from the Raiders plus the $1M from the Chargers). If he signed a $4M deal, the Chargers wouldn't owe him anything.

Teams want offset language, players don't.

What's the deal with the bonus money?

Bosa wants all his signing bonus money up front, the Chargers want to defer some of it to future years. Again, the contract is fully guaranteed so they aren't trying to avoid paying him, they're just trying to avoid paying him this year.

What's the precedent for this situation?

According to PFT:

  • The fact remains that, since 2012, the third overall pick has had either no offset or no deferral.
Basically, Bosa wants what everyone else in his position has received since the new CBA was put in place. He either wants his bonus money up front OR he wants no offset language. He's not asking for both, he just wants one or the other. Meanwhile the Chargers want to defer his bonus AND they want him to have offset language. They don't want to give in on either issue.

What can Bosa do? What can the Chargers do?

Easiest things: Bosa can budge and give in to the Chargers, accepting a deal with offset language and deferred bonus money. OR The Chargers can budge and give in to Bosa, giving him no offsets and/or all his bonus money up front.

Assuming neither side wants to budge any time soon, here's what the timeline looks like:

They have until Tuesday after Week 10 to come to an agreement on a contract which would allow Bosa to play this year. Following that Tuesday, if there is still no contract in place, they have until the first day of the 2017 draft to come to an agreement which would allow Bosa to play for them starting in 2017. If the first day of the draft comes and he has not signed a new contract, he is entered into that draft and eligible to be drafted by any team except the Chargers.

Relevant passage from the CBA that mentions the above:

If a Drafted Rookie has not signed a Player Contract during the period from the date of such Draft to the thirtieth day prior to the first game of the regular season: (i) the Club that drafted the player may not thereafter trade to another Club either its exclusive negotiating rights to such player or any Player Contract that it signs with such player for the player’s initial League Year; and (ii) the Club that drafted the player is the only Club with which the player may sign a Player Contract until the day of the Draft in the subsequent League Year, at which time such player is eligible to be drafted in the subsequent League Year’s Draft by any Club except the Club that drafted him in the initial Draft. (After the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season, the player and the Club may sign a Player Contract only for future League Year(s)).

Can Bosa go back to college? Or play in Canada or Arena Football?

He can't play any college ball. He can go play in Canada or some other pro league, but if he does that the Chargers would own his exclusive NFL rights for 3 years (in this case he wouldn't enter the 2017 draft, or any other future draft), and then would have first refusal rights after that. So if he plays in Canada for 1 to 3 years and comes back, he can only sign with the Chargers, unless they waive their rights to him. If he comes back in 4 years then he can negotiate with any team, however the Chargers get a chance to match the deal with a right of first refusal (similar to being a restricted free agent).

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(a) Notwithstanding Section 4(b) above, if a player is drafted by a Club and, during the period between the Draft and the next annual Draft, signs a contract with, plays for, or is employed by a professional football team not in the NFL during all or any part of the 12-month period following the initial Draft, then the drafting Club (or any assignee Club) shall retain the exclusive NFL rights to negotiate for and sign a contract with the player until the day of the Draft three League Years after the initial Draft, and shall thereafter have a Right of First Refusal as described herein, and the player may receive offers from any Club at any time thereafter. The player shall notify the NFLPA and the NFL of his desire to sign a contract with an NFL Club and of the date on which the player will be free of his other contractual obligations of employment, if any. Within thirty days of receipt of such notice by the NFL or the date of the availability of such player, whichever is later, the NFL Club that drafted the player must tender a Player Contract as set forth in Section 3 above to the player in order to retain its rights to that player
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I didn't know they'd hold his rights for years if he just went to Canada or that if he entered the 2017 draft that SD could not draft him again. Pretty dam interesting!
 
I've been asked what kind of peptide binding to the amino acid supplement that Lane Johnson took could have possibly caused a positive test......assuming it were in the supplement to begin with. These type of peptides and their analogues are actually hormones that can include human growth hormone(HGH); human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG); erythropoietin (EPO); IGF-1 (colostrum), etc.
 
PapaL said:
Ever wonder what the deal is with Joey Bosa and the SD Chargers? Here's an excellent explanation I found on reddit; source:



I didn't know they'd hold his rights for years if he just went to Canada or that if he entered the 2017 draft that SD could not draft him again. Pretty dam interesting!
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Flash back to 1987 when Bosa............his father John, Miami's 1st round Draft pick (#16)...........held out for more upfront money until 16 days prior to the season opener, and he wanted more money than the #15 Draft pick............a 4-year $1.55 million contract as compared to 4-year $1.50 million contract. He had a very good 1987 season, starting 12 games that year..........and becoming an all-rookie selection. Unfortunately, in 1988, he incurred a serious left knee injury that made him half the player he was after being drafted. Still trying to come back, in a preseason game in 1990, he suffered a coup d'etat injury this time to his right knee..............career over.

No doubt this has left a stern message of caution to his son and his potential for a short future.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Flash back to 1987 when Bosa............his father John, Miami's 1st round Draft pick (#16)...........held out for more upfront money until 16 days prior to the season opener, and he wanted more money than the #15 Draft pick............a 4-year $1.55 million contract as compared to 4-year $1.50 million contract. He had a very good 1987 season, starting 12 games that year..........and becoming an all-rookie selection. Unfortunately, in 1988, he incurred a serious left knee injury that made him half the player he was after being drafted. Still trying to come back, in a preseason game in 1990, he suffered a coup d'etat injury this time to his right knee..............career over.

No doubt this has left a stern message of caution to his son and his potential for a short future.
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His request doesn't seem unreasonable. It seem like it's the standard; either give me my bonus up front in its entirety or remove the offset language. After reading what you just posted it makes total sense! No one is promised a long, much less a successful, NFL career. Get your money!
 
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His request doesn't seem unreasonable. It seem like it's the standard; either give me my bonus up front in its entirety or remove the offset language. After reading what you just posted it makes total sense! No one is promised a long, much less a successful, NFL career. Get your money!
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San Diego seems to be failing here... what advantage does it get them to jerk him around like this?
 
JB said:
San Diego seems to be failing here... what advantage does it get them to jerk him around like this?
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Alienate him like they've done their fan base. I could understand if wanted something out of the ordinary but he wants a plane Jane #3 pick contract. Now they can't trade so either someone gives in or he's sitting out the year. I don't think Bosa is going to set the league on fire but if you draft him #3 you have to deal with him accordingly IMO. Personally I'd probably say the Chargers and sit out the next year. Someone will draft him. Too much potential.
 
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San Diego seems to be failing here... what advantage does it get them to jerk him around like this?
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I don't know they're jerking him around. As reasonable as his request may be the Chargers are offering him the same structure they offered their 1st round picks before & plan to offer their 1st round picks in the future.
 
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I don't know they're jerking him around. As reasonable as his request may be the Chargers are offering him the same structure they offered their 1st round picks before & plan to offer their 1st round picks in the future.
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How do you know the offsets they offered others? From what was posted...

  • The fact remains that, since 2012, the third overall pick has had either no offset or no deferral.
Basically, Bosa wants what everyone else in his position has received since the new CBA was put in place. He either wants his bonus money up front OR he wants no offset language. He's not asking for both, he just wants one or the other. Meanwhile the Chargers want to defer his bonus AND they want him to have offset language. They don't want to give in on either issue.
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JB said:
How do you know the offsets they offered others? From what was posted...
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If that's the same article I read they also said...

Every contract the Chargers have done since 2011 has included offset language and deferred money, and they're not going to break precedent for Bosa, a defensive end/outside linebacker taken third overall.
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However, this year, the picks immediately before and after Bosa -- Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz at No. 2, and running back Ezekiel Elliott at No. 4 -- signed deals with both provisions. Not surprisingly, the Chargers are arguing that Bosa's contract should feature that same framework.
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So... basically like I said. The same structure the Chargers have signed their previous picks & hope to sign their future picks. I don't think that's jerking Bosa around as it appears to be S.O.P. for the Chargers.
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If that's the same article I read they also said...



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So... basically like I said. The same structure the Chargers have signed their previous picks & hope to sign their future picks. I don't think that's jerking Bosa around as it appears to be S.O.P. for the Chargers.
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No, that wasn't in the article posted above... thanks for sharing
 
RGIII took a lot of hits as his OL regularly "Oleyed." He's going to get killed and be in the market for a brand new shiny set of knees if there is no quick changes on the part of the Browns.
 
Surely none of you remember, but I suggested we grab Ryan Nassib to help with our QB problem. After last night... I admit it wasn't a good idea.
 
In Thursday's game, Wentz has already suffered his first NFL injury........It was initially reported a chest bruise with minor soreness..........that minor soreness didn't improve........an MRI revealed a hairline rib fracture. Not good for his rookie development.
 
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In Thursday's game, Wentz has already suffered his first NFL injury........It was initially reported a chest bruise with minor soreness..........that minor soreness didn't improve........an MRI revealed a hairline rib fracture. Not good for his rookie development.
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Clowneyesque bust
 
Luck didn't play supposedly because the Colts were concerned about Rex Ryan's heavy preseason use of blitzing, specifically by their ace pass rusher IK Enemkpali. After yesterday's game, Luck or anyone else won't have to worry about Enemkpali anymore this season.................Enemkpali's MRI has revealed an MRI rupture. He'll join linebacker Reggie Ragland who has also sustain an ACL. Ragland's is a partial rupture, which is quite unusual. There was some debate as far as to if he would undergo surgical repair. Some surgeons may opt to try to rehab this type of injury, especially if there is not significant instability of the knee present. However, especially in an elite athlete, this can leave the ACL in a higher risk for extension into a complete rupture. Either way, I expect he would have been lost for the season.
 
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