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CloakNNNdagger said:
I am sure that Prescott suffered a Grade II right hamstring injury..........that's his plant and push off leg
He will have problems trying to get power/push off behind any throw until fully healed................and when he does return, he will be at high risk for recurrence every time he tries to get power behind his throws or when trying to throw deep.
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No Dak vs Houston.
 
Lucky said:
Just go to a full-time sky ump. Have a guy in the booth looking at the replays of every play. If the guys on the field blow a call, the sky ump can buzz in and reverse it. If we are really concerned about getting everything right.
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Exactly, but then they wouldn't be able to rig games.
 
Previously posted:

CloakNNNdagger said:
The Browns are counting heavily on Chubb's return to cure most of the Browns and Watson's ills. As I've previously posted, a RB coming back from an ACL and MCL does not have a great prognosis for expected performance.

A recent study of Post ACL player prognosis:

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Orthop J Sports Med
. 2022 Mar 7;10(3):23259671221079637. doi: 10.1177/23259671221079637

Return to Play and Performance After Anterior Cruciate Ligament Reconstruction in National Football League Players​

Kush S Mody †,*, Amanda N Fletcher ‡, Craig C Akoh ‡, Selene G Parekh ‡

Abstract​

Background:​

Considerable variability exists in return-to-play rates after anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) injury and reconstruction (ACLR) among National Football League (NFL) players of different positions.

Purpose/Hypothesis:​

The purpose of this study was to compare return-to-play and performance levels by position in NFL players after ACLR. It was hypothesized that (1) ACL injuries have significant effects on the careers of NFL players, including return to play and performance, and (2) players of certain positions that involve relatively less pivoting and cutting perform better after ACLR.

Study Design:​

Descriptive epidemiology study.

Methods:​

All NFL players who underwent ACLR between 2013 and 2018 were identified using the FantasyData injury database. Player characteristics, snap count, games played, games started, and performance metrics were collected for 3 years before and after injury using the Pro Football Reference database. Performance was measured using an approximate value (AV) algorithm to compare performance across positions and over time. Nonparametric tests were used to compare the pre- and postinjury data and the percentage change in performance between different positions.

Results:​

Overall, 312 NFL players were included in this study, and 174 (55.8%) returned to play. Of the eligible players, only 28.5% (n = 59/207) remained in the league 3 years postinjury. Within the first 3 years postinjury, players played in fewer games (8.7 vs 13.7; P < .0001), started in fewer games (3.0 vs 8.3; P < .0001), had lower AVs (1.5 vs 4.3; P < .0001), and had decreased snap counts (259.0 vs 619.0; P < .0001) compared with preinjury. Quarterbacks were most likely to return to play (92.9% vs 53.7%; P = .0040) and to return to performance (2% vs 50% decrease in AV; P = .0165) compared with the other positions. Running backs had the largest decrease in AV (90.5%), followed by defensive linemen (76.2%) and linebackers (62.5%).

Conclusion:​

The study findings indicated that NFL players are severely affected by ACL injury, with only 28.5% still active in the league 3 years after the injury. Running backs, defensive linemen, and linebackers performed the worst after injury. Quarterbacks were most likely to return to play and had superior postinjury performance compared with the other positions.

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Major Concerns Beginning to Rise About Browns Star RB​

Cleveland Browns running back Nick Chubb's play has caused reason for major concerns.

Evan Massey | Nov 4, 2024​

 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
The study findings indicated that NFL players are severely affected by ACL injury, with only 28.5% still active in the league 3 years after the injury. Running backs, defensive linemen, and linebackers performed the worst after injury.
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There has to be difference in career longevity after a player has had a major injury such as an ACL. But was is the percentage of any player who hasn't gone through an ACL still being active after 3 years? Given that the average career span of an NFL player is 3.3 years.
 
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Lucky said:
There has to be difference in career longevity after a player has had a major injury such as an ACL. But was is the percentage of any player who hasn't gone through an ACL still being active after 3 years? Given that the average career span of an NFL player is 3.3 years.
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The study refers to the affect on ACL injured players. The player "average career span" includes all players, including no-name players many of whose longevity is affected by poor skills, poor performance, etc.................things that will lead to short to ultra short careers. The 3-year number is very disingenuous in its interpretation.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The study refers to the affect on ACL injured players. The player "average career span" includes all players, including no-name players many of whose longevity is affected by poor skills, poor performance, etc.................things that will lead to short to ultra short careers. The 3-year number is very disingenuous in its interpretation.
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ACL injured players also include the no-name, poor performance, poor skills players too, right?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The study refers to the affect on ACL injured players. The player "average career span" includes all players, including no-name players many of whose longevity is affected by poor skills, poor performance, etc.................things that will lead to short to ultra short careers. The 3-year number is very disingenuous in its interpretation.
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I know, but without knowing if the 28% is strictly due to the injury, it’s difficult to understand what that means. I think it’s safe to say knee injuries in general are harmful to football players careers. Putting exact numbers on that can be tricky.
 
Lucky said:
I know, but without knowing if the 28% is strictly due to the injury, it’s difficult to understand what that means. I think it’s safe to say knee injuries in general are harmful to football players careers. Putting exact numbers on that can be tricky.
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Every ACL study has found that the majority of players' performances post injury are significantly negatively affected and games played decreased compared to controls.

Understand that whether reported by the teams or not, over half of ACL injuries occur along with damage to the meniscus, articular cartilage, or other ligaments. These are not typically injuries that don't have performance and longevity implications.
 
Dak Prescott underwent an MRI on his injured hamstring, and from what I gather, he has sustained a partial avulsion of his hamstring tendon, which occurs when the tendon partially tears off the bone. He will probably seek more opinions, but if this is the case, he will not return this season.
 
Bad officiating mars final drive in Bengals-Ravens
By Mike Florio
Published November 8, 2024 12:00 AM

Joe Burrow had good reason to scowl tonight.

A 428-yard passing performance, including 234 of them and three touchdowns to receiver Ja’Marr Chase, was undermined by the failure of the officials to see two clear fouls on what could have been the go-ahead two-point try.

Defensive holding, not called. Forcible contact to the head of Burrow, not called.

Amazon Prime rules analyst Terry McAulay said that both should have been called. And Al Michaels wasn’t bashful about calling BS on the fact that the no-calls robbed the Bengals of another shot at converting a two-point conversion that would have forced the Ravens to try to get in range for a potential game-winning field goal with 38 seconds left.

All too often, officials shove the flags deeper into their pockets in moments like that. But the rules are still the rules, and when the rules are broken it shouldn’t matter whether the foul occurred in the last minute of a game, or the first.

And it wasn’t the only questionable officiating decision of the drive. The officials missed — like they did in crunch time of Vikings-Rams two weeks ago — a clear face mask of Burrow early in the drive. (Again, that’s not subject to replay review.)

Then, it appeared that a fourth-down attempt by the Bengals came up short.

With the drive starting at the 30, the 40 yard line was essentially the goal line. And it appeared that the knee of receiver Andre Iosivas was down before the ball got to the white stripe.

Was it a makeup call of sorts for the missed face mask? Maybe. Regardless, it looked like he didn’t get to the 40.

Still, the worst of it came on the two-point play. After the officials missed a clear false start by Chiefs tackle Jawaan Taylor in overtime of Monday night’s win over the Buccaneers, some in league circles were buzzing about how bad officiating has become.

Based on what we saw tonight, no one can credibly say that NFL officiating is fine. Except in the sense of the cartoon dog in the burning room, sipping coffee while he’s inevitably engulfed in flames.
 
The elephant in the room is the decision to go for the 2 point conversion. 2 point attempts are converting at 31% thus far in 2024? So you think a 31% chance is better than allowing your team to fight for a chance to win in OT? I don't get it. It's what I would expect a USFL team to do. If the other team beats you in OT, then they were the better team that day. A team can learn from that. Going all in on one play after fighting for 60 minutes cheapens the game.
 
Lucky said:
The elephant in the room is the decision to go for the 2 point conversion. 2 point attempts are converting at 31% thus far in 2024? So you think a 31% chance is better than allowing your team to fight for a chance to win in OT? I don't get it. It's what I would expect a USFL team to do. If the other team beats you in OT, then they were the better team that day. A team can learn from that. Going all in on one play after fighting for 60 minutes cheapens the game.
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And even if they convert, they have to stop the Ravens from moving the ball 40 yards and letting Tucker kick a FG and they hadn't been able to stop Jackson the entire 2nd half
 
JB said:
And even if they convert, they have to stop the Ravens from moving the ball 40 yards and letting Tucker kick a FG and they hadn't been able to stop Jackson the entire 2nd half
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Right. But at least give the defense a shot. Jackson could fumble the shotgun snap. A receiver could fumble or drop a pass. Maybe the Ravens would have been perfect. But make them be perfect.
 
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Eagles' Hurts limited by ankle issue, says coach

Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts was limited in practice this week while dealing with an ankle issue, coach Nick Sirianni said Friday.
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PHILADELPHIA -- Eagles coach Nick Sirianni said quarterback Jalen Hurts was limited in practice earlier this week because he was "dealing with the ankle" -- which was different than what was listed on the injury report.

Hurts was listed Wednesday with a "rest" designation. He did not participate in individual drills during the portion of practice open to media, instead taking the role of spectator as Kenny Pickett and Tanner McKee went through drills.
Hurts was listed as a full participant Thursday and is expected to carry the same designation on Friday, with all signs pointing to him playing Sunday in Dallas.

When asked about his limited participation Wednesday, Hurts said it was due to rest, adding that "I just do what I'm told" when questioned about how the plan comes together to orchestrate a rest day.
 
Lucky said:
The elephant in the room is the decision to go for the 2 point conversion. 2 point attempts are converting at 31% thus far in 2024? So you think a 31% chance is better than allowing your team to fight for a chance to win in OT? I don't get it. It's what I would expect a USFL team to do. If the other team beats you in OT, then they were the better team that day. A team can learn from that. Going all in on one play after fighting for 60 minutes cheapens the game.
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I don't get it either. The Bucs were chastised for not going for 2 against KC and I don't get why. Yes I understand taking a lead if you make it, but the play is such a low percentage play. Granted, the Bucs lost the coin toss and never saw the ball in OT, but still. They almost picked Mahomes off at least once on that drive.

Not sure what the win percentages are for teams who win the toss versus losing it, both teams with possession, or how many never seen the ball, but it's got to be better than a 69% chance of losing the game in regulation.
 
Olave sustained sustained a significant concussion in the Saints’ Week 6 loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, returning in Week 8. Concussions are not taken seriously or evaluated properly in the NFL..............until they are forced to.

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Report: Chris Olave will be placed on injured reserve
By Josh Alper
Published November 9, 2024 09:23 AM

Saints wide receiver Chris Olave is set to miss extended time after suffering a concussion in last Sunday’s loss to the Panthers.

Olave has been ruled out for Sunday’s game against the Falcons and Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that he is expected to be placed on injured reserve on Saturday. Olave will miss at least four games as a result of the move.

The concussion was the second of the season for Olave and he went to see specialists this week to come up with a path forward after the latest injury. The consultations and move to injured reserve make for a similar approach to the one the Dolphins took with quarterback Tua Tagovailoa, who returned to action two weeks ago after a Week Two concussion.

Given the timing in the season and the specific nature of the wideout’s injury, Olave’s timeline could be different but it will be a few weeks before there will be a need for the Saints to start thinking about a return to the field.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Olave sustained sustained a significant concussion in the Saints’ Week 6 loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, returning in Week 8. Concussions are not taken seriously or evaluated properly in the NFL..............until they are forced to.

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Report: Chris Olave will be placed on injured reserve
By Josh Alper
Published November 9, 2024 09:23 AM

Saints wide receiver Chris Olave is set to miss extended time after suffering a concussion in last Sunday’s loss to the Panthers.

Olave has been ruled out for Sunday’s game against the Falcons and Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that he is expected to be placed on injured reserve on Saturday. Olave will miss at least four games as a result of the move.

The concussion was the second of the season for Olave and he went to see specialists this week to come up with a path forward after the latest injury. The consultations and move to injured reserve make for a similar approach to the one the Dolphins took with quarterback Tua Tagovailoa, who returned to action two weeks ago after a Week Two concussion
Given the timing in the season and the specific nature of the wideout’s injury, Olave’s timeline could be different but it will be a few weeks before there will be a need for the Saints to start thinking about a return to the field.
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I watched the play that he was concussed in. He definitely was knocked out. He was then carted off the field which is very unusual for a concussion..................it was for potential neck/spine trauma, as his head was immobilized on the back board with a strap when transported.

Some sources say that this was his 3rd concussion since entering the NFL,, other say it's his 4th. As I dug into his history, he has had 4 documented concussions since he entered the NFL in 2022............but he had 1 as a Buckeye in college in 2020.

Oct 24, 2020

Oct 9, 2022

Nov 26, 2023

Oct 13, 2024

Nov 3, 2024

With this ominous history, he should be very strongly recommended to end his football career as a player.

Prayers for the young man.
 
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