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NFL reinstates Rolando McClain, who wants another chance
By Charean Williams
Published December 15, 2023 05:02 PM

The NFL has reinstated linebacker Rolando McClain from the suspension list.
He was on and off the suspension list in his career for violating the league’s program and policy for substances of abuse. The NFL indefinitely suspended him Dec. 2, 2016, but he was conditionally reinstated before the 2019 season.

It’s unclear whether he went back on the suspended list after that.
McClain, 34, has not played in the NFL since the 2015 season with the Cowboys.

He now seeks a chance to resume his career, saying he is 8 pounds under his playing weight of 260 and in great shape.

“I never planned to not return to football,’' McClain told Mike Fisher of SI.com.
“I’m still ‘me’ in every way; I laugh [at the skepticism]. I’m ready for the NFL now. Like riding a bike. Football is life. I love the game.’'

McClain said a former teammate “secretly” gave him synthetic marijuana, hooking him.

“I wigged out,” McClain told Fisher. “For the longest time, I had to smoke real weed just to have somewhat of a normal brain. . . . The hardest part for me has been about getting over the mental fog that the synthetic left me in.’'

The Raiders made him the eighth overall pick in 2010, but he played only three seasons in Oakland and two in Dallas before being indefinitely suspended.

He praised the NFL and Commissioner Roger Goodell for getting him where he is now.

“Mr. Goodell has been a big supporter of mine from the beginning,’' McClain said. “He’s always been fair.’'

The question now is: Will an NFL team give him a second chance?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
This type of tackle should have been banned long before now. Until the players presented a loud voice, NFL was oblivious to the calls. I followed thise subject in the National Rugby League..................[unlike the NFL that has used it as an excuse] they had no problem defining the components of thisve tackle............see the Video I've posted below.

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NFL wants hip-drop tackle outlawed
By Charean Williams
Published December 13, 2023 07:13 PM

The NFL wants the hip-drop tackle banned for 2024, and the Competition Committee, with a meeting scheduled for Thursday, is discussing it.

The tackle, which the NFL says increases risk of injury by 25 times the rate of a standard tackle, has taken out some high-profile players this season.

Ravens tight end Mark Andrews, Seahawks quarterback Geno Smith and most recently Dolphins receiver Tyreek Hill are among those who have been injured by a hip-drop tackle.

“I think we all should work to get that out of the game,” NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said Wednesday at the NFL owners meetings in Irving, Texas. “You see it escalated the number of times it occurred this season. The injuries could be very devastating. We saw that also: It’s not just happening at the NFL level; it’s happening at other levels. It’s something that we have to work very hard to get that removed this spring.”

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is ready to vote for outlawing the tackle. He saw his running back, Tony Pollard, fracture a fibula and require surgery to repair ligaments in his ankle after being tackled from behind on a hip-drop tackle by 49ers defensive back Jimmie Ward in the 2022 postseason.

Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes played through a high-ankle sprain after being taken down on a hip-drop tackle by Jaguars defensive lineman Arden Key in the 2022 postseason.

The National Rugby League in Australia banned the tackle because of the injuries it causes. Despite talk about a possible move to do the same in the NFL last spring, neither the Competition Committee nor any team offered a proposal regarding the tackle. The league ultimately decided the tackle is hard to define clearly and enforce consistently.

Now, though, the league has changed its opinion and stance about the tackle.
“I think we have to [ban it] now,” NFL executive vice president of football operations Troy Vincent said. “I think a year ago when we actually drew the hip drop or a version of the tackle that we were seeing on video, there were some clubs that had no clue what we were talking about. Just never saw it. In their mind, they never saw it before and don’t teach it. Others were not actually teaching a version of it with the intent of injuring the player but [teaching] versions of the tackle. All of this is in that family of when we saw the hawk tackle and people adjusting to getting the head out of the game.

“One thing we can do today is define what that is. It is to grip; it’s to rotate and drop. Those three things show up on that play, and it’s a gruesome play.”

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The nfl and the public in general (u.s) are late or have no idea what a hip drop tackle is. Heck I believe most NFL players don’t even know they’re doing it (not purposely), to them they are simply wrapping up the player with the ball and using their weight to bring them down.

If you think the hip drop tackle is bad, the crusher tackle is just as worst - both banned in rugby
 
Kadarius Toney: Refs’ job is to warn me, they took away one of the greatest plays ever
By Michael David Smith
Published December 16, 2023 05:30 AM

Chiefs wide receiver Kadarius Toney is pointing fingers at the officials, and not at himself, over the offside penalty that negated a touchdown late in Sunday’s loss to the Bills.

Toney claimed that it’s the referee’s job to tell a player if he is lined up illegally. That’s not a requirement of the officials’ job, although officials do sometimes give warnings to players and coaches.

“Whether it was, an inch, two inches, whatever in front of the ball, the referee got a job to let me know,” Toney told reporters in the Chiefs’ locker room. “He didn’t make no effort. You watch the video, he didn’t make no effort to say anything about no alignment. So apparently, he wanted to do that regardless. But like I said, we’re just going back to the details and just make sure we fine print everything.”

Toney also said the NFL falsely claimed that a referee warned him about being offside. But referee Carl Cheffers’ only comment came to a pool reporter immediately following the game, and Cheffers stood by the call and said the officials are under no obligation to warn players that they’re offside.

“Then they came back and lied and said they gave me a warning, which I never talked to a ref,” Toney said.

Toney said he considers the offside call “[p]retty much bogus, and that it took away what should have been one of the highlights of Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce’s career. Kelce caught a pass from Patrick Mahomes and then spontaneously lateraled the ball to Toney, who ran it in for a touchdown that the offside flag wiped out.

“Unfortunately, they took back the greatest play the greatest tight end that played the game did,” Toney said. “Just a great play taken back by the greatest tight end.”

It was a great play by a great tight end, but it was also a bad play by Toney, who is responsible for knowing whether he’s lined up legally whether the officials warn him or not.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Kadarius Toney: Refs’ job is to warn me, they took away one of the greatest plays ever
By Michael David Smith
Published December 16, 2023 05:30 AM

Chiefs wide receiver Kadarius Toney is pointing fingers at the officials, and not at himself, over the offside penalty that negated a touchdown late in Sunday’s loss to the Bills.

Toney claimed that it’s the referee’s job to tell a player if he is lined up illegally. That’s not a requirement of the officials’ job, although officials do sometimes give warnings to players and coaches.

“Whether it was, an inch, two inches, whatever in front of the ball, the referee got a job to let me know,” Toney told reporters in the Chiefs’ locker room. “He didn’t make no effort. You watch the video, he didn’t make no effort to say anything about no alignment. So apparently, he wanted to do that regardless. But like I said, we’re just going back to the details and just make sure we fine print everything.”

Toney also said the NFL falsely claimed that a referee warned him about being offside. But referee Carl Cheffers’ only comment came to a pool reporter immediately following the game, and Cheffers stood by the call and said the officials are under no obligation to warn players that they’re offside.

“Then they came back and lied and said they gave me a warning, which I never talked to a ref,” Toney said.

Toney said he considers the offside call “[p]retty much bogus, and that it took away what should have been one of the highlights of Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce’s career. Kelce caught a pass from Patrick Mahomes and then spontaneously lateraled the ball to Toney, who ran it in for a touchdown that the offside flag wiped out.

“Unfortunately, they took back the greatest play the greatest tight end that played the game did,” Toney said. “Just a great play taken back by the greatest tight end.”

It was a great play by a great tight end, but it was also a bad play by Toney, who is responsible for knowing whether he’s lined up legally whether the officials warn him or not.
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This is another example of the mindset of today's athletes. You get paid millions of dollars and you're too stupid to look down the LOS and see that your foot is ahead of the ball? Hell, on that play there was another WR standing next to him and he couldn't tell him to back up? Take responsibility for lining up wrong and shut up.

In the words of Doug Heffernan, he really needs to have a bowl of "shut it up stew".
 
Based on his English skills, my thought that he and Boyd are the stupidest players in football make even more sense. I spoke better English as a toddler than this idiot. Go back to school, learn how to speak the language and then get back to me.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Kadarius Toney: Refs’ job is to warn me, they took away one of the greatest plays ever
By Michael David Smith
Published December 16, 2023 05:30 AM

...It a great play by a great tight end, but it was also a bad play by Toney, who is responsible for knowing whether he’s lined up legally whether the officials warn him or not.
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My response this morning is not intended to revisit the question of whether Toney was offsides, but rather is directed at the officiating.

If the officials had allowed the alignment on multiple occasions earlier in the game without calling the penalty, is it not reasonable for a player to assume the alignment is "ok" and would be consistently called, or not called, during that game?

This is another case of poor and inconsistent officiating.
 
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So, is the NFL not going to fine/dicipline Mahomes and Reid after their ridiculous public outbursts against the refs? I mean, they go after players for less shiat than that.
 
Mangler said:
So, is the NFL not going to fine/dicipline Mahomes and Reid after their ridiculous public outbursts against the refs? I mean, they go after players for less shiat than that.
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You got it
www.nbcsports.com

NFL fines Andy Reid $100K, Patrick Mahomes $50K for criticizing officials

We learned on Saturday Chiefs head coach Andy Reid and quarterback Patrick Mahomes were both fined for critical comments about the officiating in last Sunday's loss to the Bills and we learned the size of those fines later in the day.
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JB said:
You were right again! Just confirmed on NFLN
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A terrible injury for the big man. There are not many examples of elite athletes, including NFL players suffering this injury. The prognosis has not changed much over the last 2 decades. Only 50-60% have been found to return to play. And 50% of those that return will have chronic pain and weakness of the quad. Hopefully, he'll be in the more fortunate group.
 
Texian said:
Don't be surprised to see Carolina Panthers owner, David Tepper, make a hard play for Texans OC, Bobby Slowik to become the Panther's new HC as soon as the season is over.
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TexansBull said:
Ben Johnson (Lions) and Brian Johnson (Eagles) are also in play.

Tepper is going to find it hard for someone to want to work with him and Bryce.
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www.yahoo.com

Report: David Tepper spent ‘good amount of time’ with Ben Johnson’s agent at league meetings

According to CBS Sports, Panthers owner David Tepper spent a "good amount of time" with Ben Johnson's agent at this week's league meetings.
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Things that make you go hmmm…
 
Number19 said:
My response this morning is not intended to revisit the question of whether Toney was offsides, but rather is directed at the officiating.

If the officials had allowed the alignment on multiple occasions earlier in the game without calling the penalty, is it not reasonable for a player to assume the alignment is "ok" and would be consistently called, or not called, during that game?

This is another case of poor and inconsistent officiating.
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That's a fair point and the officiating has been inconsistent. However, it's been said that holding can be called on every play. Couldn't a player who was called for holding in that same situation say the same thing? I've been holding all game and you call it on me now?
 
Earl34 said:
That's a fair point and the officiating has been inconsistent. However, it's been said that holding can be called on every play. Couldn't a player who was called for holding in that same situation say the same thing? I've been holding all game and you call it on me now?
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The analogy is not accurate, in my opinion. Holding that is not called is unintential, borderline and/or not seen. Blatant, intential holding is almost always called. I'm unaware of an intentional holding technique which is allowed. A better analogy is if the early, pre-snap movement by OT's, which is allowed, would be selectively called. The KC penalty was a case of a deliberate alignment where the other receivers lined up in the usual set, two feet, or so, off the ball and with Toney crowding the line, lining up on the ball. This alignment was clearly seen by the line judges. I'm a bit curious to know if Toney had been lining up in this alignment in other games without it being called, or if this game was a first time.
 
Lucky said:
You can't keep all this hate inside. Wake up a little early on Sunday, make a nice English, German, or even a Brazilian breakfast, and watch some football. Do you think you could do that if you lived in Russia or China?
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Or sleep in and skip the game.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The hip-drop tackle needs to go
Published December 14, 2023 07:52 P

A year ago, not many people knew about the hip-drop tackle. Even now, not many do.

Far too many fans, current players, and former players don’t want to know. They just want to complain about rules changes that make it harder to play defense, without even trying to understand what it is and the risks it entails.
It’s not complicated. The defender grips the ball carrier with one or both hands, usually around the hips. The defender uses that grip to swing or rotate his body to a position behind or to the side of the ball carrier. The defender then drops the bulk of his body weight directly onto the ball carrier’s legs.

The technique entails an enhanced risk of injury. And multiple injuries have happened. Most recently, Dolphins receiver Tyreek Hill suffered an ankle injury with a horse-collar/hip-drop hybrid.

Yes, the horse-collar tackle. It’s been banned for nearly 20 years, due to the risk of lower-body injuries. The NFL moved to outlaw it roughly five years before the league was forced by Congress to take head-trauma seriously.

The NFL has tried over the past two decades to make the game safer. The unique risks presented by the hip-drop tackle were detected last year. They are similar if not identical to the risks of the horse-collar tackle.

Earlier this year, offseason discussion did not result in the prohibition of the hip-drop tackle. Now, the league has made clear that it wants the hip-drop tackle banned.

Ultimately, it’s up to the owners. They’ll vote on it in March. Between now and then, the league office hopes that anyone and everyone with a vested interest in the best interests of the sport will realize that the injury risk compels the hip-drop to dropped like a hot potato.
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Why not just go ahead and ban tackling altogether? This just in, when players get tackled there's a chance of them being injured.
 
Decim8 said:
Hip drop tackle a tad bit different, the probability of a season/career ending injury is very high
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This type of tackle has been happening since players wore leather helmets. Show me one player whose career ended because of this type of tackle,
 
steelbtexan said:
This type of tackle has been happening since players wore leather helmets. Show me one player whose career ended because of this type of tackle,
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Career-ending is not the question now........frequency of injury is. Since the hip drop tackle has never been recognized, defined or paid attention to until very recently, there are no valid ways to determine past career-ending injuries it may have caused.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Career-ending is not the question now........frequency of injury is. Since the hip drop tackle has never been recognized, defined or paid attention to until very recently, there are no valid ways to determine past career-ending injuries it may have caused.
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Like I said those type of tackles have been happening since leather helmets. But now is the time to change the rules. SMH, just do away with tackling altogether if you want to limit injuries. Then after that, maybe they can makeup some new rules that will stop ACL/hamstring injuries.

What I'm trying to say is how far do they want to go in the name of safety? If they truly want safety then eliminate tackling and the percentage of injuries will really drop.
 
steelbtexan said:
Like I said those type of tackles have been happening since leather helmets. But now is the time to change the rules. SMH, just do away with tackling altogether if you want to limit injuries. Then after that, maybe they can makeup some new rules that will stop ACL/hamstring injuries.

What I'm trying to say is how far do they want to go in the name of safety? If they truly want safety then eliminate tackling and the percentage of injuries will really drop.
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Poor examples...........Hip drop tackles are known to cause certain injuries.............something that can be changed with decrease in injuries ..............as common as they are, ACLs and hamstring injuries are very seldom caused by tackles.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Poor examples...........Hip drop tackles are known to cause certain injuries.............something that can be changed with decrease in injuries ..............as common as they are, ACLs and hamstring injuries are very seldom caused by tackles.
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I think you missed the point.
 
JB said:
It's just like the horsecollar and the facemask... do you regret those being penalties also?
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Those are needed penalties.

The point is pretty soon it's going to be impossible to tackle anybody with any more force than an arm tackle and if your goal is to eliminate injury then eliminate tackling altogether.
 
steelbtexan said:
Those are needed penalties.

The point is pretty soon it's going to be impossible to tackle anybody with any more force than an arm tackle and if your goal is to eliminate injury then eliminate tackling altogether.
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The hip drop is an example of one specific method of tackling by a beaten defender much like a horse collar or facemask. That technique is not needed to make a good tackle.
 
JB said:
The hip drop is an example of one specific method of tackling by a beaten defender much like a horse collar or facemask. That technique is not needed to make a good tackle.
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How long has this type of tackle been an issue in the NFL? Then ask yourself why it's all of a sudden an issue now.
 
JB said:
What does that have to do with it? I'm not the one calling for it to be banned
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You mentioned the rules changes in rugby, I thought maybe you're a fan.

Let's just agree to disagree agree. You apparently like where God'ells NFL is headed. I don't and that's ok. BTW, get ready for 16 overseas games.
 
steelbtexan said:
This type of tackle has been happening since players wore leather helmets. Show me one player whose career ended because of this type of tackle,
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Well maybe not career ending but i highly doubt they were doing the hip drop tackle back then. The hip drop tackle looks ordinary to anyone who’s not familiar with it. Trust me if the hip drop tackle is done properly, the ball carrier is not getting up.

Today in the NFL, the players are just not aware of it……yet. But in rugby league before it was outlawed, it was done quite often like my attitude when I hip drop tackle someone was “you can either keep running or you can say goodbye to your legs”
 
steelbtexan said:
The point is pretty soon it's going to be impossible to tackle anybody with any more force than an arm tackle and if your goal is to eliminate injury then eliminate tackling altogether.
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This is how I feel with the direction that rugby is headed to, which is sad. We live in different times now
 
Ravens WR Keaton Mitchell sure looks like he not only tore his ACL, but probably several of the other knee ligaments along with meniscus and articular cartilage damage. Hopefully, he didn't suffer nerve or artery damage.
 
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