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JB said:
What does that have to do with where Toney is lined up?
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Porky claimed Toney was lined up a "good 2 ft" offsides; and Texazan claimed he was lined up "almost a full yard" offside. I asked the question, where was the LOS; no one dared to answer.

To the point, the LOS is where the ref placed the ball and does not move when the Center adjusts/moves the ball prior to his centering. So, where's the LOS?
 
Number19 said:
Porky claimed Toney was lined up a "good 2 ft" offsides; and Texazan claimed he was lined up "almost a full yard" offside. I asked the question, where was the LOS; no one dared to answer.

To the point, the LOS is where the ref placed the ball and does not move when the Center adjusts/moves the ball prior to his centering. So, where's the LOS?
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“Dared” is pretty strong, I have zero idea where the LOS is as to where it was deemed to be by the refs on the field when the play occurred. All I can say is what I saw on the Monday night pregame solidified it for me that it wasn’t by “inches” as Reid was claiming. Otherwise I was trying to have fun with it which maybe I’m not signaling that well enough…..
 
JB said:
You were disputing it which started the whole conversation
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That was Monday, post #15,855. The discussion has evolved. But in that first post, I said if he was offside it was only by an inch or two. I also stated that if the LOS was closer to the center of the blue line appearing on the video feed, I thought he may have not been offside. In a later post I indicated, maybe not clear enough, that he was offside.

Can we put this to rest?
 
This was eventual conclusion when the NFL decided to get in bed with legalized betting on games. This was so much better when local bookies were taking the bets b/c they never got big enough to really influence entire games. They might've got to a player or two who were involved in gambling, but not an entire team, game, or officiating crew.

How the money is bet could very well dictate how a game is called. Of course, there'll be a few games that are allowed go the bettors way.....gots to keep up appearances.
 
Thorn said:
Drinking and driving, legalized gambling and the NFL, two combinations that spell trouble. This is going to bite the NFL in the ass and I'm going to enjoy every second of it.
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Are you also advocating for a return to prohibition of alcohol? That makes as much sense as banning legalized gambling. Because people will drink. And people will gamble.

I've said this before, but I guess I will do so again. The NFL (and Nevada casinos) fought tooth and nail to keep sports gambling illegal everywhere but Nevada. Eventually, states were fed up will all of that tax $$$ going out of state and legalized sports gambling. So, that was happening whether the NFL liked it or not. Yes, partnering with online betting will give the NFL additional revenue. But, they've also worked with these sites to prevent their employees from gambling on games. Will that stop their employees from gambling illegally? No. But that was where they were prior. I think the hand wringing over the NFL's partnership with online betting sites is laughable.
 
Lucky said:
Are you also advocating for a return to prohibition of alcohol? That makes as much sense as banning legalized gambling. Because people will drink. And people will gamble.

I've said this before, but I guess I will do so again. The NFL (and Nevada casinos) fought tooth and nail to keep sports gambling illegal everywhere but Nevada. Eventually, states were fed up will all of that tax $$$ going out of state and legalized sports gambling. So, that was happening whether the NFL liked it or not. Yes, partnering with online betting will give the NFL additional revenue. But, they've also worked with these sites to prevent their employees from gambling on games. Will that stop their employees from gambling illegally? No. But that was where they were prior. I think the hand wringing over the NFL's partnership with online betting sites is laughable.
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Hookers and beer!
 
Report: Robert Kraft made decision to part ways with Bill Belichick after Week 10 loss to Colts
By Mike Florio
Published December 12, 2023 11:33 PM

At a time when many believe the 24-year relationship between Patriots owner Robert Kraft and coach Bill Belichick will soon be ending, a new report indicates that the decision already has been made.

Tom Curran of NBC Sports Boston, via Hayden Bird of Boston.com, said Monday that Kraft already made the decision to make a change after New England’s Week 10 loss to the Colts in Frankfurt.

“When they came out of Germany, conversations I had that week made it very clear that a decision was made,” Curran said. “They were going to play out the string, and at the end of the year, there would be a parting of the ways for a variety of reasons.”

Curran added that the parting of the ways could include a de facto trade of Belichick to a new team. That would explain the decision not to fire Belichick during the season.

Since the 10-6 loss to the Colts, the Patriots lost to the Giants and the Chargers before upsetting the Steelers last Thursday night.

“Just because they won last week in Pittsburgh in primetime, I don’t think it quells anything,” Curran said.

That one win might not change things, but more wins could — in theory. Any decision is subject to change before implementation. If the Patriots win their final four games (Chiefs, at Broncos, at Bills, Jets), that could potentially spark a reversal. Even a 3-1 record down the stretch might prompt Kraft to continue a relationship that he recently cited, unprompted, when explaining on ESPN’s College GameDay the importance of employment longevity within his various business concerns.

Still, the loss in Germany becomes a sensible tipping point, given the significance Kraft attached to that game.

“This is our thirtieth year that I’ve had the privilege of owning this team, and I’ve never been 2-7,” Kraft told Rich Eisen before the Colts game. “So it’s really disappointing and I hoped that things would be a lot better, as I know our fan base did. And I hope today is a chance to reset and make this a much better year. This isn’t what we were expecting to happen this year.”

The Patriots are currently 3-10. While 7-10 would still make the season a failure, ending on a five-game winning streak could change the vibe heading into the offseason.

Another important consideration becomes Belichick’s wishes. Does he want to stick around, or is he looking for a fresh start?

Again, nothing is done until it’s done. Whatever the decision might be, it can still be altered when the dust settles on the 2023 drsdon. At this point, it seems as if it would take a lot to keep Belichick in place — especially if he’s thinking that it’s time to make a change after nearly a quarter of a century in the same job.
 
This type of tackle should have been banned long before now. Until the players presented a loud voice, NFL was oblivious to the calls. I followed thise subject in the National Rugby League..................[unlike the NFL that has used it as an excuse] they had no problem defining the components of thisve tackle............see the Video I've posted below.

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NFL wants hip-drop tackle outlawed
By Charean Williams
Published December 13, 2023 07:13 PM

The NFL wants the hip-drop tackle banned for 2024, and the Competition Committee, with a meeting scheduled for Thursday, is discussing it.

The tackle, which the NFL says increases risk of injury by 25 times the rate of a standard tackle, has taken out some high-profile players this season.

Ravens tight end Mark Andrews, Seahawks quarterback Geno Smith and most recently Dolphins receiver Tyreek Hill are among those who have been injured by a hip-drop tackle.

“I think we all should work to get that out of the game,” NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said Wednesday at the NFL owners meetings in Irving, Texas. “You see it escalated the number of times it occurred this season. The injuries could be very devastating. We saw that also: It’s not just happening at the NFL level; it’s happening at other levels. It’s something that we have to work very hard to get that removed this spring.”

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is ready to vote for outlawing the tackle. He saw his running back, Tony Pollard, fracture a fibula and require surgery to repair ligaments in his ankle after being tackled from behind on a hip-drop tackle by 49ers defensive back Jimmie Ward in the 2022 postseason.

Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes played through a high-ankle sprain after being taken down on a hip-drop tackle by Jaguars defensive lineman Arden Key in the 2022 postseason.

The National Rugby League in Australia banned the tackle because of the injuries it causes. Despite talk about a possible move to do the same in the NFL last spring, neither the Competition Committee nor any team offered a proposal regarding the tackle. The league ultimately decided the tackle is hard to define clearly and enforce consistently.

Now, though, the league has changed its opinion and stance about the tackle.
“I think we have to [ban it] now,” NFL executive vice president of football operations Troy Vincent said. “I think a year ago when we actually drew the hip drop or a version of the tackle that we were seeing on video, there were some clubs that had no clue what we were talking about. Just never saw it. In their mind, they never saw it before and don’t teach it. Others were not actually teaching a version of it with the intent of injuring the player but [teaching] versions of the tackle. All of this is in that family of when we saw the hawk tackle and people adjusting to getting the head out of the game.

“One thing we can do today is define what that is. It is to grip; it’s to rotate and drop. Those three things show up on that play, and it’s a gruesome play.”

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Troy Vincent: Kickoff has become a “dead, ceremonial play”
By Mike Florio
Published December 13, 2023 07:12 PM

In making the kickoff safer, the NFL has made the kickoff largely irrelevant.

On Wednesday, NFL executive V.P. of officiating Troy Vincent made the league’s perception of the play clear.

“I think kickoff stats, they speak for themselves,” Vincent said. “It’s a dead, ceremonial play today.”

It’s dead and ceremonial due to various changes aimed at making the play safer by making it happen less frequently. From moving the kickoff point to the 35 to moving the touchback to the 25 to, for 2023, allowing teams to call a fair catch inside the 25 and get possession at the 25, returns are way, way down.

So what happens next?

“This is where we’re going work with the special-teams coaches,” Vincent said. “We have a committee made up of some head coaches, special teams coaches. It was a one-year only rule that we need to address. A little less than twenty percent of return rate today.”

As PFT explained in August, the NFL is considering the XFL’s kickoff configuration. There, the kick happens at the 30 yard line. Other than the kicker, the players on the kicking team are aligned at the receiving team’s 35 yard line. Ten of the receiving team’s players are positioned five yards away. Only the kicker and the returner may move before the ball is touched by the player fielding the kick.

That approach reduces high-speed collisions by packing players together and minimizing the running start. It might be the only way to say the play.

Of course, that also would require an onside-kick alternative along the lines of the fourth-and-15 play that the XFL utilizes. To replace the kickoff, the NFL would need to embrace both prongs of the XFL’s approach.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
“One thing we can do today is define what that is. It is to grip; it’s to rotate and drop. Those three things show up on that play, and it’s a gruesome play.”
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Yeah, NFL officials will have no problem officiating this play. Watching the "This is not a hip drop tackle" portion of the video, and it's so nuanced I couldn't really tell the difference. But hey, we need more penalties so more fans can whine about the game being rigged.
 
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Lucky said:
Yeah, NFL officials will have no problem officiating this play. Watching the "This is not a hip drop tackle" portion of the video, and it's so nuanced I couldn't really tell the difference. But hey, we need more penalties so more fans can whine about the game being rigged.
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That is a poor excuse for not trying to "fix" a particularly dangerous technique that causes inordinate numbers of significant injuries. I have no problem in those examples distinguishing between what is and what isn't a drop tackle.......most of the time it involves 2 defenders...........much like the rules of chop blocks of linemen. One may not like the implementation of the rule, and that's OK, but decently trained refs and replay confirmation should allow the identification of this technique.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
That is a poor excuse for not trying to "fix" a particularly dangerous technique that causes inordinate numbers of significant injuries.
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First, I know squat about rugby. But, do know what is another dangerous technique that causes inordinate numbers of significant injuries in football? Running upright, rather than with your body tilted forward. Which the majority of those shown in the video are running upright in the "hip drop" section are. In the "not hip drop" section, it seems most of the tacklers are trying to hip drop. But can't because the runners body is in a tilted position.

Horse collar tackles. You don't see these attempted on a runner who is running behind his pads and tilted forward. If we're all about safety in the NFL (?), then someone needs to teach these guys how to run to avoid injury. That will make a larger difference than an additional penalty.
 
Lucky said:
Are you also advocating for a return to prohibition of alcohol? That makes as much sense as banning legalized gambling. Because people will drink. And people will gamble.

I've said this before, but I guess I will do so again. The NFL (and Nevada casinos) fought tooth and nail to keep sports gambling illegal everywhere but Nevada. Eventually, states were fed up will all of that tax $$$ going out of state and legalized sports gambling. So, that was happening whether the NFL liked it or not. Yes, partnering with online betting will give the NFL additional revenue. But, they've also worked with these sites to prevent their employees from gambling on games. Will that stop their employees from gambling illegally? No. But that was where they were prior. I think the hand wringing over the NFL's partnership with online betting sites is laughable.
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Ok
 
Lucky said:
First, I know squat about rugby. But, do know what is another dangerous technique that causes inordinate numbers of significant injuries in football? Running upright, rather than with your body tilted forward. Which the majority of those shown in the video are running upright in the "hip drop" section are. In the "not hip drop" section, it seems most of the tacklers are trying to hip drop. But can't because the runners body is in a tilted position.

Horse collar tackles. You don't see these attempted on a runner who is running behind his pads and tilted forward. If we're all about safety in the NFL (?), then someone needs to teach these guys how to run to avoid injury. That will make a larger difference than an additional penalty.
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Since 2021, I've had numerous discussions with sports medicine orthopedic surgeons. All of us have felt that this technique results in unacceptable numbers and injuries. Of course, this is from a medical point of view.......by those of us who have had to deal with the end results. The hip drop tackles and their injuries can and do occur whether the player is in an upright or a tilted position.
 
Porky said:
I hate the International games almost as much as Thursday games. Both have a permanent spot on my most hated things list. But the NFL only cares about green and lots of it.
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You can't keep all this hate inside. Wake up a little early on Sunday, make a nice English, German, or even a Brazilian breakfast, and watch some football. Do you think you could do that if you lived in Russia or China?
 

This tackle on TE Mark Andrews is given as an example of a "hip drop". How so? The defender was on the ground when he wrapped up Andrews. His hips had already "dropped". Andrews was pulled down by the leverage the defender generated by falling down. The reason Andrews was injured was because his right leg was pinned underneath the defender. Unfortunate, but that happens. Maybe the best way to manage this is the defense gets a penalty every time an offensive player is hurt. That's easy enough to officiate.
 
Lucky said:
You can't keep all this hate inside. Wake up a little early on Sunday, make a nice English, German, or even a Brazilian breakfast, and watch some football. Do you think you could do that if you lived in Russia or China?
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Very philosophical of you.
I often wax that way myself...😅
 
The hip-drop tackle needs to go
Published December 14, 2023 07:52 P

A year ago, not many people knew about the hip-drop tackle. Even now, not many do.

Far too many fans, current players, and former players don’t want to know. They just want to complain about rules changes that make it harder to play defense, without even trying to understand what it is and the risks it entails.
It’s not complicated. The defender grips the ball carrier with one or both hands, usually around the hips. The defender uses that grip to swing or rotate his body to a position behind or to the side of the ball carrier. The defender then drops the bulk of his body weight directly onto the ball carrier’s legs.

The technique entails an enhanced risk of injury. And multiple injuries have happened. Most recently, Dolphins receiver Tyreek Hill suffered an ankle injury with a horse-collar/hip-drop hybrid.

Yes, the horse-collar tackle. It’s been banned for nearly 20 years, due to the risk of lower-body injuries. The NFL moved to outlaw it roughly five years before the league was forced by Congress to take head-trauma seriously.

The NFL has tried over the past two decades to make the game safer. The unique risks presented by the hip-drop tackle were detected last year. They are similar if not identical to the risks of the horse-collar tackle.

Earlier this year, offseason discussion did not result in the prohibition of the hip-drop tackle. Now, the league has made clear that it wants the hip-drop tackle banned.

Ultimately, it’s up to the owners. They’ll vote on it in March. Between now and then, the league office hopes that anyone and everyone with a vested interest in the best interests of the sport will realize that the injury risk compels the hip-drop to dropped like a hot potato.
 
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Chargers coach Staley on job: 'Believe in myself'

After the Chargers' 63-21 loss to the Raiders, coach Brandon Staley said he was confident his players still believed in him and that he deserved to continue in his role.
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After the Chargers' 63-21 loss to the Raiders on Thursday night, the most points the Chargers had allowed in franchise history and the most the Raiders had ever scored, Staley said he was confident his players still believed in him and that he deserved to continue as head coach.

"I know what I've done here for three years, and I know what I've put into this, and I know where we're capable of going," Staley said. "I know the type of coach I am. I believe in myself."
 
JB said:
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Chargers coach Staley on job: 'Believe in myself'

After the Chargers' 63-21 loss to the Raiders, coach Brandon Staley said he was confident his players still believed in him and that he deserved to continue in his role.
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After the Chargers' 63-21 loss to the Raiders on Thursday night, the most points the Chargers had allowed in franchise history and the most the Raiders had ever scored, Staley said he was confident his players still believed in him and that he deserved to continue as head coach.

"I know what I've done here for three years, and I know what I've put into this, and I know where we're capable of going," Staley said. "I know the type of coach I am. I believe in myself."
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Staley may know what type of coach he is, but reality says that dream isn’t making it to the field of play.

On a side note, the Chargers may be a perfect situation for Belichick, since his tank job post Brady has been a rousing success and should finally lead to getting his arse fired in NE. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him re-surface in LA.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Staley may know what type of coach he is, but reality says that dream isn’t making it to the field of play.

On a side note, the Chargers may be a perfect situation for Belichick, since his tank job post Brady has been a rousing success and should finally lead to getting his arse fired in NE. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him re-surface in LA.
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If Staley is kept it would be a surprise. But it's only year 3 and he had the Chargers in the playoff hunt his first year but blew it against the Raiders where they could have been in along with the Raiders. He got a lil aggressive and the Raiders decided to go for the win and leave the Chargers out even though it had no bearing on the Raiders. They were in the playoffs last year and this year year they're dealing with key injuries. Staley just seems to make bad calls at the worst moments.
The Chargers need someone to help continue the growth of Hebert as a QB whether it's at HC or OC...he's the strength of that team and they have some talent.
Also the their defense has been kind of disappointing (not looking at last night), especially against the pass this year.

As for Belichick, I just don't see him in the California lifestyle environment but who knows. He has plenty of coaching ability but at 71, he should just retire and/or consult as needed.
 
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