You wont need the #1 pick in 2024. You probably will only need a top 3 pick. Which as last yr proved that's what 4 wins will get you.
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New Mock Draft Has Texans Choosing Will Levis @ #1
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You wont need the #1 pick in 2024. You probably will only need a top 3 pick. Which as last yr proved that's what 4 wins will get you.
No, but I have noticed the guy picked right after Walker has outplayed him all year.
Doesn't mean he will for his entire career. It just means Hutch was more pro ready and I kinda expected this. Walker is getting better as the yr has gone along.
This is the same as the Sauce/Stingley debate.
The1ApplePie
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This QB draft was hyped last year as one of the best ever, now some think it sucks. 2024 could roll around and the same thing could happen.
You can't keep kicking the can down the road on the most important position, waiting for what might be. The Browns picks are going to be worth less and less as DW gets the rust off. Now is the best time to strike.
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Nope. But teams usually don't draft guys #1 overall to play a position they've never played. The Jags are gonna jag.
Can and will. It's called prospect fatigue. The more you look at a player, the more warts you find.
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badboy
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Stingley: lisFranc then re-injured. We were told that leads to other pedal issues.
Kenyon Green knee injury which impacted his starting.
Metchie: also injured in college and no I don’t hold Caserio Smith responsible for cancer.
Petrie: some great plays but some bonkers too in missed tackles.
Christian Harris: shoulder injury pre-draft.
Deculus who rarely if ever missed a start in college can't even get a snap it seems like with this offensive line?
Where is Nick casario's intelligence in that?
badboy
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I think Nick casario selections in the past drafts plus Lovie Smith coaching up of those players would be appropriate to comments about future draft players regardless of who and what position.
badboy
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I would take Michael pennix and three to five other starters
badboy
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I do not think you are allowed to save vanilla on this message board?
leebigeztx
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leebigeztx
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As soon as Lewis was let go and the hired Taylor they went 2-14. The very next season with a bare cover, they draft Burrow. They didn't build trenches, they didn't wait until the next season and tank for Lawrence who was the generational talent, they took Burrow and the won 4 games and he got hurt. The next season when all the draft people were talking about protecting Burrow by drafting Sewell, they drafted Chase. He got sacked 70 times but they made it to the superbowl and appears to have KC's number somehow. No trench guy, no oft injured guy like Jimmy G or a Davis Mills type, they got their dude. They didn't show this 5 year patience posters are preaching, none of that. Year 1 suck, year 2 qb, straight like that.
leebigeztx
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You're the only person I've seen say Stroud is avg. I'm not saying what he will or won't be, but avg?
Yep, they got their QB drafted Chase high and drafted Carman and Adenaji (sp) and had Williams already on the team. After seeing their franchise QB get sacked 70 times they went out and spent big money on 3 OL to help protect Burrow. The only reason they got Chase was Burrows injury and they had some decent talent after being bad for so many years.
leebigeztx
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You know that oline sucked. What makes you think the Texans can't draft Stroud or Young 1st and not draft another trench guy with the Browns pick and then a wr with the 32 and another trench guy with the Browns 2nd rd pick?
ben.aires.smith
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We still don't know whether the trench guy we drafted in the 1st in April doesn't suck, so there's that. At least in pass protection.
I dunno are Mayfield's & Arnold's (drafted #1 & #3 respectively in '18) NFL careers over, or is there any remaining realistic chance that one of them could still be a viable NFL starter ?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
You blame Caserio for the subpar coaching?
I expect more coaching changes coming up.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
That's a strong possibility - especially if he can lure the guy he wants here. I hope he can.
That will allow him to take more predictable draft picks.
badboy
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They drafted wide receiver Chase because quarterback Burrow insisted. It was not for any other reason.
badboy
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Yes and you do also with your second sentence.
Okay, I watched the highlights I could find and yeah lots of explosive plays. After watching those and the OSU-Michigan games and a few other OSU games, and the Pac-12 championship game, my question is why isn't Rising's stock a lot higher? He has been as impressive as anyone seems to me and he doesn't have as much to work with as Stroud
That's not really true anymore. With the rookie salary pool, a QB taken at 1-1 doesn't cost anymore than a DT taken at 1-1.
The Jags AND the Texans do
Coaching matters
ben.aires.smith
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It's not necessarily the cost - it's the commitment. If you choose a lottery QB, you're committing at least 2 years of run for the new QB and 3 years in many cases. So if you get that signal caller wrong, you have to start all over again in 2025 or 2026 while your team goes nowhere. With somebody like Mills, you can move on after 1 year because commitment is lower.
So all for lottery QB if the right one is there. If the right one isn't there, you don't reach or you end up doing a lot of damage. Better off building the rest of your team in that case. And there's a lot that needs to be done anyway.
The Texans don't have the Browns 2nd round pick.
Minshew/A healthy Jimmy G/Dalton.
All would be upgrades and wouldn't win enough to hinder the pursuit of a top 3 pick in 2024.
Rising is a good college QB. But he doesn't have the arm NFL QBs need to drive the ball downfield. Rising can float deep passes downfield in the Pac 12, but NFL DBs will easily makeup the gap and make a play on the ball. I doubt Rising will be drafted (he still has eligibility), but he will make a NFL camp one day.
Mr teX
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I guess the hype on Stroud & Young has come full circle. Cue the Will Levis hype now.
sounds about right….im over it…we will take a qb with the 1st pick…fans here will rejoice with him as the savior…only to find out that the issues we’ve had the last few years on offense are still here….then their vitriol will turn primarily onto Lovie…..which is where the real problem lies….rinse and repeat around here.
badboy
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We could get a trench guy with third round pick from the Browns.
beerlover
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agree with Lucky this one. It’s their processing that worries me, no doubt both have Pro Arm but give me the playmaker who can process information and translate that into success. I’m even having doubts about Herbert in that category or the system is just wrong to take advantage of his strengths.
badboy
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I think most of us understand a coaching change has to happen
Mr teX
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yeah no…if chase was a scrub he doesnt get drafted no matter how much burrow “insisted” dude.
According to Tankathon, the Saints 3rd rounder is currently pick#72. here are some linemen from the past few drafts that were available at pick #72.
2022 - Abraham Lucas - RT - Seahawks - Pick #72
2021 - Quinn Meinerz - C/G - Broncos - Pick #98
2020 - Jonah Johnson - G - Lions - Pick #75
2018 - Orlando Brown - T - Ravens - Pick# #83
So, there usually are solid linemen available at that point in the draft.
Boris
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if he was a scrub Burrow wouldn't insist
Mr teX
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point is, Burrow’s power & influence in the drafting of Chase was being greatly overstated. Chase was drafted by Cincy b/c he was a stud..not b/c a 2nd year qb who’d achieved nothing to that point “insisted”.
Agreed, I dont want Levis either.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
It means I blame the subpar coaching.
Watching Dalton playing for the saints vs Brady and tb and clearly Andy can still sling it !
ghostlight
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Trenches need to be fixed first is my opinion in order to protect the QB. Then draft in 2024 the QB of the 10yr reign.
ghostlight
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Number19
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If the Texans commit to it, they could fix the OL and draft a QB. They could also draft a WR and maybe a TE. All in the same draft. From what I've gathered in the forum, the '23 draft almost perfectly aligns with our offensive needs since we have the first pick in every round in addition to all the extra picks.
The1ApplePie
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Draft the best QB at 1, take the best WR with the Browns pick, then use the rest of your draft capital on the trenches. You've already blown a ton of picks on the O-Line. The only way to get a great QB is the draft one. The only way to get an elite WR without paying out the ass is to draft one. You already have a good young RB, but have nothing else when it comes to skill positions.
There isn't an OL prospect worth a top-10 pick, IMO, so you are still reaching if you go in that direction.
beerlover
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Like you’re thinking but there is one worth top 10 pick and that’s Penn State redshirt sophomore, Olumuyiwa Fashanu. Franchise Left tackle probably worthy top 5 selection.
If Caserio drafts a QB 1-1 I hope he does what you're suggesting so the new QB has his best chance to succeed. If the pick isn't a QB then I hope this is a trenches draft on both sides of the ball.