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New Mock Draft Has Texans Choosing Will Levis @ #1

steelbtexan said:
It's why I want Caserio to go with a vet bridge QB.
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If he wants to build a bridge to the unemployment office, I guess. Then again, Cal may be the only owner dumb enough to keep paying a GM that insists on tanking three years in a row. This isn't a Bushbowl situation where you can take Mario because you have a competent starter.
 
The1ApplePie said:
If he wants to build a bridge to the unemployment office, I guess. Then again, Cal may be the only owner dumb enough to keep paying a GM that insists on tanking three years in a row. This isn't a Bushbowl situation where you can take Mario because you have a competent starter.
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I bet you said the same thing about Crane and Luhnow.

Patience is the key to rebuilding the right way
 
How in the hail did Levis even get elevated to top QB talks to begin with? He was always a RD3 and RD2 at best prospect.

Also, better make sure the team has a strong veteran under center to bridge Levi’s development process. If he were to go under center after 1.5 games…..I wouldn’t expect anything better than Mills in his first 6 starts. The key, could he finish with same type of 5 game run?
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Yep... 10000%. And sometimes, choosing combine darlings works out. But the miss rate is high and not something I would do at #1. The Chargers did this exact thing with Ryan Leaf and it didn't turn out so good.
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Carter had 2 really good games all season, but he's been on the ground when healthy. Its a crapshoot either way. You can get you trench guys and they become avg or don't even make it to contract extension. Anderson production dropped from last year also.
 
leebigeztx said:
Carter had 2 really good games all season, but he's been on the ground when healthy. Its a crapshoot either way. You can get you trench guys and they become avg or don't even make it to contract extension. Anderson production dropped from last year also.
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It is a crapshoot. The best way IMO to mitigate risk is to meld performance with combine stats. If both check out as upper tier or elite, then you go for it. If on field performance doesn't jive with psychical measurables (combine) or vice versa, then that introduces more risk. Does Will Levis on field performance jive with his physical abilities? If not, in no way should he be taken as a lottery pick, for any team. Leave those guys for Day 2.
 
They were talking on the radio this morning about the possibility of none of these quarterbacks may even enter the draft. Reason being they will be able to get paid big bucks to finish out another year of college with injury insurance on top of it. I would fine that hilarious if that comes to fruition


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pirbroke said:
They were talking on the radio this morning about the possibility of none of these quarterbacks may even enter the draft. Reason being they will be able to get paid big bucks to finish out another year of college with injury insurance on top of it. I would fine that hilarious if that comes to fruition
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I don't know who said that, but it's not happening. Young and Stroud's best chance at going high is in the 2023 draft.
 
All these comments make sense to me in some sort of check list. I'm of the opinion that we have to draft for the trenches before we put another young QB on the filed to be pummeled every week. Trade down and get a suburban full of picks. Draft the bull players on OL center and OT then DL edge and DT. The choice of first taken is which highest grade avl on OL or DL.
 
ghostlight said:
All these comments make sense to me in some sort of check list. I'm of the opinion that we have to draft for the trenches before we put another young QB on the filed to be pummeled every week. Trade down and get a suburban full of picks. Draft the bull players on OL center and OT then DL edge and DT. The choice of first taken is which highest grade avl on OL or DL.
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You don't pass on a QB that you believe in this year. Hopefully he can sit a year ala Mahomes and you can build around him. But if you don't think any QB can be the face of your franchise the next 10-15 years then you don't take him high in the first round.
 
JB said:
But if you don't think any QB can be the face of your franchise the next 10-15 years then you don't take him high in the first round.
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I think someone here set the bar way too high on drafting QBs.

1) You have to have a good QB to win in the NFL. That's just how it goes.
2) There have been a lot of franchise QBs taken in the past several drafts. Sometimes more than one in a draft.
3) Every QB taken since John Elway has had flaws. There has been one flawless QB in the history of pro football drafts.

The real question is, would this organization know how evaluate, and then develop, a franchise QB? I don't know. The odds are lower than if you have a Sean Payton or Andy Reid in your organization. But go back to bullet point #1.

You have to have a good QB to win in the NFL. That's just how it goes.
 
pirbroke said:
They were talking on the radio this morning about the possibility of none of these quarterbacks may even enter the draft. Reason being they will be able to get paid big bucks to finish out another year of college with injury insurance on top of it. I would fine that hilarious if that comes to fruition


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These guys need to get up to date then. Levis declared 4 days ago
 
Lucky said:
I think someone here set the bar way too high on drafting QBs.

1) You have to have a good QB to win in the NFL. That's just how it goes.
2) There have been a lot of franchise QBs taken in the past several drafts. Sometimes more than one in a draft.
3) Every QB taken since John Elway has had flaws. There has been one flawless QB in the history of pro football drafts.

The real question is, would this organization know how evaluate, and then develop, a franchise QB? I don't know. The odds are lower than if you have a Sean Payton or Andy Reid in your organization. But go back to bullet point #1.

You have to have a good QB to win in the NFL. That's just how it goes.
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Yes but you don't take a QB unless you believe he's the best value for your team
 
JB said:
Yes but you don't take a QB unless you believe he's the best value for your team
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OK. But you also better realize that a good QB has more value than a great OT or DE. Knowing how to place value on players is very important.

1. QB


2. Pass Rusher, Blindside OT
3. Man Coverage CB, Big Play #1 WR
4. Everything else
 
Lucky said:
OK. But you also better realize that a good QB has more value than a great OT or DE. Knowing how to place value on players is very important.

1. QB


2. Pass Rusher, Blindside OT
3. Man Coverage CB, Big Play #1 WR
4. Everything else
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Picking the wrong lottery QB also carries extreme negative value by setting back your organization 2-4 years by investing time in the wrong guy. It carries the biggest reward, but also the biggest risk given the importance and impact on the team's prospects. Got to choose wisely when picking a QB in the lottery, not just take one because you need one.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
How in the hail did Levis even get elevated to top QB talks to begin with? He was always a RD3 and RD2 at best prospect.

Also, better make sure the team has a strong veteran under center to bridge Levi’s development process. If he were to go under center after 1.5 games…..I wouldn’t expect anything better than Mills in his first 6 starts. The key, could he finish with same type of 5 game run?
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He's the "prototypical NFL QB"... ie a tall white guy. The internet scouts love those guys. This board alone has been rather famous for having some cream in their jeans over the likes of Blake Bortles and Zach Wilson.
 
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ghostlight said:
All these comments make sense to me in some sort of check list. I'm of the opinion that we have to draft for the trenches before we put another young QB on the filed to be pummeled every week. Trade down and get a suburban full of picks. Draft the bull players on OL center and OT then DL edge and DT. The choice of first taken is which highest grade avl on OL or DL.
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If you don't have a QB, you don't have a team. IMO, if a QB prospect is worth a suburban load of picks, you should probably take him yourself.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
My greatest fear is that Caserio is going to take either Stroud, Young or Levis @ #1 because of pressure to upgrade the QB position. And none of these guys are worthy of this consideration. It's a bad year to be picking #1 overall and needing a QB.
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So far Caserio has done a pretty decent job - not perfect, but not cookie cutter either. He took a chance on Mills which I thought was a terrific pick - turns out he may only ever be a backup but he took a shot on a former 5 star recruit which didn't pan out the way we all hoped.
NC shows intelligence in his drafting. Only one pick I raised my eyebrows on was moving up for Metchie, but he may yet turn out to be a solid pick.
It will be interesting to see how he handles this next preseason and draft.
 
Lucky said:
I don't know who said that, but it's not happening. Young and Stroud's best chance at going high is in the 2023 draft.
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…..last part of that equation is the Texans have the #1 pick. That could scare some QB’s into another CFB season.
 
The1ApplePie said:
The NFL isn't the MLB. You don't have a farm system, and the NFL actually has parity. Football players don't have the shelf life of baseball players. A great player you picked four years ago may be gone or injured.
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Doing what I'm talking about is even more important than in MLB. If you draft great players and dont force picks everything will workout. If you draft great players their shelf life is at least 7-8 yrs. You can always use the what if they get injured card. That's called living in fear.
 
Lucky said:
I think someone here set the bar way too high on drafting QBs.

1) You have to have a good QB to win in the NFL. That's just how it goes.
2) There have been a lot of franchise QBs taken in the past several drafts. Sometimes more than one in a draft.
3) Every QB taken since John Elway has had flaws. There has been one flawless QB in the history of pro football drafts.

The real question is, would this organization know how evaluate, and then develop, a franchise QB? I don't know. The odds are lower than if you have a Sean Payton or Andy Reid in your organization. But go back to bullet point #1.

You have to have a good QB to win in the NFL. That's just how it goes.
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That’s great in theory……ever seen the Texans pull that rabbit out of the hat? Hail, they’ve never even executed the most basic move when drafting a QB, which is signing a veteran QB to bridge at minimum year one. I could never give this current coaching staff a brand new QB, much less a RD1-001 QB to duck up. They tossed a RD3 QB into the fire after 11 CFB starts and no time with the first team…..they’re ducking idiots who should’ve brought in another veteran to continue the development.
 
The1ApplePie said:
He's the "prototypical NFL QB"... ie a tall white guy. The internet scouts love those guys. This board alone has been rather famous for having some cream their jeans over the likes of Blake Bortles and Zach Wilson.
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Agree 100%!!!!!
 
Texansphan said:
So far Caserio has done a pretty decent job - not perfect, but not cookie cutter either. He took a chance on Mills which I thought was a terrific pick - turns out he may only ever be a backup but he took a shot on a former 5 star recruit which didn't pan out the way we all hoped.
NC shows intelligence in his drafting. Only one pick I raised my eyebrows on was moving up for Metchie, but he may yet turn out to be a solid pick.
It will be interesting to see how he handles this next preseason and draft.
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Mills was so completely mishandled by this organization…..it was just scary to watch knowing that they may try to do this to a RD1-001 pick next.
 
The1ApplePie said:
He's the "prototypical NFL QB"... ie a tall white guy. The internet scouts love those guys. This board alone has been rather famous for having some cream their jeans over the likes of Blake Bortles and Zach Wilson.
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I dont like Levis either.

Now Maye is another story. I love his game as well as Williams.

I'm going to guess you're neither tall nor a white guy after reading this post.
 
Lucky said:
OK. But you also better realize that a good QB has more value than a great OT or DE. Knowing how to place value on players is very important.

1. QB


2. Pass Rusher, Blindside OT
3. Man Coverage CB, Big Play #1 WR
4. Everything else
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Agreed, but you still shouldn't reach for an avg QB (Stroud) or a 1 in a million guy (Young) at 1-1 because you need a QB.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Picking the wrong lottery QB also carries extreme negative value by setting back your organization 2-4 years by investing time in the wrong guy. It carries the biggest reward, but also the biggest risk given the importance and impact on the team's prospects. Got to choose wisely when picking a QB in the lottery, not just take one because you need one.
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I don't know of any GM selecting a QB or any other player thinking that player is not going to work out. You do not have to spend three or four years evaluating a player and then correcting a bad choice.

Moaning and groaning about a decision that did not work out is like a corner gambling on an INT and missing; allowing a TD. Shake it off cuss yourself until next play then get ready to get the next one. Personally I'm more concerned about who is going to be coaching our 2023 draft then who is going to be selecting it.
 
Lucky said:
I think someone here set the bar way too high on drafting QBs.

1) You have to have a good QB to win in the NFL. That's just how it goes.
2) There have been a lot of franchise QBs taken in the past several drafts. Sometimes more than one in a draft.
3) Every QB taken since John Elway has had flaws. There has been one flawless QB in the history of pro football drafts.

The real question is, would this organization know how evaluate, and then develop, a franchise QB? I don't know. The odds are lower than if you have a Sean Payton or Andy Reid in your organization. But go back to bullet point #1.

You have to have a good QB to win in the NFL. That's just how it goes.
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Good is rarely good enough.

See: Murray/Cousins/Carr etc...
 
badboy said:
I don't know of any GM selecting a QB or any other player thinking that player is not going to work out. You do not have to spend three or four years evaluating a player and then correcting a bad choice.

Moaning and groaning about a decision that did not work out is like a corner gambling on an INT and missing; allowing a TD. Shake it off cuss yourself until next play then get ready to get the next one. Personally I'm more concerned about who is going to be coaching our 2023 draft then who is going to be selecting it.
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You try to make good decisions to improve your odds when you're gambling, so there's less of a chance to need to shake it off as you put it.
 
badboy said:
One team's 🤩😛 quarterback is another team's chance to get 3-5 starters. To think that all war rooms think the same is to think that everyone on this message board thinks the same. 🤪
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Trading down in that situation is great, if you already have a QB on the roster. See the Rams with Sam Bradford trading out with Washington for RG3. If you have an empty void like the Texans, you take the QB.

You can go into 2023 trying to tank all you want. If the Titans lose Henry to injury and the Colts still suck behind center, then you can bumble to 4 wins. Say goodbye to your No. 1 pick and your future QB.
 
leebigeztx said:
Tell me about the Bengals post Lewis
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They waited for a QB until they got Burrow and now will probably be contenders for the next 5-7 yrs because they showed the patience I hope Cal/Caserio can show. They built their team out and then drafted a QB.
 
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