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New Mock Draft Has Texans Choosing Will Levis @ #1

The1ApplePie said:
Draft the best QB at 1, take the best WR with the Browns pick, then use the rest of your draft capital on the trenches. You've already blown a ton of picks on the O-Line. The only way to get a great QB is the draft one. The only way to get an elite WR without paying out the ass is to draft one. You already have a good young RB, but have nothing else when it comes to skill positions.

There isn't an OL prospect worth a top-10 pick, IMO, so you are still reaching if you go in that direction.
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that's true about the OL prospects however the man from Northwestern is highly rated for a trade down. I also think the best rated player is the RB from Texas which Walters Football has him #1 on their big board. They grade him as a premier pass catcher.
 
Lucky said:
I don't know who said that, but it's not happening. Young and Stroud's best chance at going high is in the 2023 draft.
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I can imagine their agents telling them, “it’s a good chance you’ll end up in Houston. They’re most likely to have the #1 pick & they need a QB. If you stay in school another year it’s a good chance you’ll end up in Houston. They’re most likely to have the #1 pick & they need a QB.”
 
Lucky said:
The real question is, would this organization know how evaluate, and then develop, a franchise QB? I don't know. The odds are lower than if you have a Sean Payton or Andy Reid in your organization.
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What do you think of Pep Hamilton?
Lucky said:
You have to have a good QB to win in the NFL
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Do you think the Texans will be focused on winning any time soon?
 
thunderkyss said:
What do you think of Pep Hamilton?
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As long as there is a USFL and XFL, Pep will have a job.
thunderkyss said:
Do you think the Texans will be focused on winning any time soon?
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Do you think Lucy will ever let Charlie Brown kick the football?

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The1ApplePie said:
This QB draft was hyped last year as one of the best ever, now some think it sucks. 2024 could roll around and the same thing could happen.

You can't keep kicking the can down the road on the most important position, waiting for what might be. The Browns picks are going to be worth less and less as DW gets the rust off. Now is the best time to strike.
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Who was the best QB taken in the 2014 draft?

Who was the best player?

If you could go back & select one player from the 2014 draft for this team right now, who would you pick?
 
badboy said:
I think most of us understand a coaching change has to happen
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I think the current coaching staff and management are exactly what this team needs in 2023 in order to draft Caleb Williams in 2024. In the meantime, you try and trade as many of your high 2023 draft picks for future 2024, 2025, and 2026 draft picks for your new Head Coach and GM in 2024. Compound your draft capital, don't deplete it. Wasting draft picks is something Caserio has done since the day he arrived. He always ends up with fewer draft picks than he starts with.
 
ghostlight said:
This years draft in my opinion does not have a QB that I believe is our franchise player. That being said I think we need to build the trenches to make sure when we do invest in a hopeful franchise QB he does not become hamburger.
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That's just it - you can never tell! How many teams passed on Rodgers? Or Mahomes?
 
Texian said:
I think the current coaching staff and management are exactly what this team needs in 2023 in order to draft Caleb Williams in 2024. In the meantime, you try and trade as many of your high 2023 draft picks for future 2024, 2025, and 2026 draft picks for your new Head Coach and GM in 2024. Compound your draft capital, don't deplete it. Wasting draft picks is something Caserio has done since the day he arrived. He always ends up with fewer draft picks than he starts with.
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A smart plan I could get on board with. Do you think Cal would let Caserio carry out your plan? I dont think there's a chance in hadies of this happening.

Disagree about Caserio.
 
steelbtexan said:
A smart plan I could get on board with. Do you think Cal would let Caserio carry out your plan? I dont think there's a chance in hadies of this happening.

Disagree about Caserio.
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Well you can disagree about Caserio but his tenure in Houston is he always ends up drafting less players than the number of draft picks he started with.
 
Lucky said:
Exactly the opposite of what a rebuilding team should be doing.
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The main lesson and takeaway from the Johnson and Belichick dynasty is they built those dynasties by adding additional players and draft picks.

Johnson knew early on that the Cowboys would not be able to compete with the players they had and the process in place to add new players was to slow and put them at a disadvantage to be become competitive. That’s why Johnson hatched the Herschel Walker trade. That’s why Belichick became notorious for trading back and adding immense value by adding future draft picks.

The Texans are in a very unique position to grow the magnitude of talent they can add to this team in the next 3 years. Unfortunately they don’t have anyone who knows how to replicate the Johnson/Belichick talent value plan. The Texans have always had a 1 season mentality. Sadly I expect Cal to piss away most of the Watson bounty. It appears he’s off to a good start.
 
Lucky said:
Not when you need quantity and you're building from complete scratch. You never know where quality will be hiding. Like it the 4th round with Pierce or St. Brown.
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So you would rather have more shots in the dark on late rd guys than drafting players you know can play by using those late rd picks to trade up and get the guys you know can play? I guess I'm more risk averse than you are. BTW, I dont consider a 4th a late rd pick.

This is an example, pick 103 is the Texans 4th rd pick. If a center you really like say Strmberg, who I think can be a long time starter is sitting there at pick #99, would you give up a couple of 6ths to get a long time starter at a position that's been a weakness for yrs on the Texans OL? I know I would, rather than hoping I hit on late rd flier 6th rd type guys.
 
Lucky said:
In Caserio's only full draft in 2022, he traded 3rds and 4ths.
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And moved up for guys he liked alot.

He added 6 picks in the last the last draft that I liked. The other 3 he picked, the kinda guys you would like more of are solid depth type pieces.

If he can can do this again in this yrs draft I will be happy. Obviously you wont be. I think you've got unrealistic draft expectations. We definitely have different philosophies.

You didn't answer why hypothetical question, would you spend a couple of those 6ths. to move up from 103 to say 99 to get the center?
 
steelbtexan said:
Patience is the key to rebuilding the right way
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Seems like everyone agreed a few years ago that the rebuild would take 3+ years do do it right. Only 2 years in, patience has taken a backseat to instant gratification!
I want to win as much as anyone, but I'm not OK with clearing the table and starting another new rebuild only to lose patience again after <2 years cause we're not there yet. I'm all about standing back and letting the folks that do this for a living build this team the right way over the course of 3 or 4 or 5 years so when we do come back it'll be for the long haul!
I think we're seeing improvment, we just gave two top division teams everything they could handle (with 4 or 5 of our best players on the injury list) and were leading late in the 4th quarter before losing out...I'll take that as a sign that this thing is moving in the right direction.
 
leebigeztx said:
As soon as Lewis was let go and the hired Taylor they went 2-14. The very next season with a bare cover, they draft Burrow. They didn't build trenches, they didn't wait until the next season and tank for Lawrence who was the generational talent, they took Burrow and the won 4 games and he got hurt. The next season when all the draft people were talking about protecting Burrow by drafting Sewell, they drafted Chase. He got sacked 70 times but they made it to the superbowl and appears to have KC's number somehow. No trench guy, no oft injured guy like Jimmy G or a Davis Mills type, they got their dude. They didn't show this 5 year patience posters are preaching, none of that. Year 1 suck, year 2 qb, straight like that.
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Cinci's been a s$itty team since 2016, their rebuild started while Lewis was still there. Just like ours started when Cully was here, then Lovie and probably someone else will get to finish it out.
 
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wildroot said:
Asa long as we don't turn the corner these last 3 games...as it stand now, we can win ONE more game and still pick 1st in each round. If Chicago can find a way to win another game, then we can win 2.
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Bears play the Bills today and end the season against the Vikings. Inbetween they play the Lions, their best chance of winning.
 
beerlover said:
Like you’re thinking but there is one worth top 10 pick and that’s Penn State redshirt sophomore, Olumuyiwa Fashanu. Franchise Left tackle probably worthy top 5 selection.
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Scratch that, he’s staying in school. So take your QB then next draft, your LT of the future. Tunsil has one more year.
 
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steelbtexan said:
You didn't answer why hypothetical question, would you spend a couple of those 6ths. to move up from 103 to say 99 to get the center?
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Why? What intel would he have to make that move? He knows Jack.

Trade value chart says only one 6th would be needed.
 
steelbtexan said:
Doubtful Tunsil is going anywhere.
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That's fine, Tunsil can play into his 30's no problem. Texans would be set, both tackles with franchise QB (Bryce Young).

What Texans cannot afford to do is get cute with 1st pick and not select Bryce Young.

Here is the problem as selection order is becoming more crystalized.

#2 Chicago picking has budding superstar Justin Fields
#3 Seattle once thought to be in QB mode has Geno Smith
#4 Detroit has Jared Geoff (need to get his contract redone)
#5 Philadelphia has NFL MVP nominee @ QB Jalen Hurts

Outside looking in-

#6 Carolina
#9 Indianapolis
#10 Vegas
#11 Atlanta

Texans need to make it crystal clear, intentions of selecting Bryce #1 overall. Most importantly, their best choice but secondly create bidding war between teams selecting #6, #9, #10 & #11. Chicago, Seattle, Detroit and Philly would be happy accepting any and all offers to move down and pick up even more draft capital. All those teams would be interested in Carter or Will Anderson so they would have to weigh that into equation. After Bryce is off the board how much would other QB needy teams be willing to pay up to draft CJ Stroud or Will Levis? Have feeling Texans draft slot acquired from Cleveland will be higher than #12 so can factor that in or not.

Top 10 2023 Draft Prospects (IMO) pre–Senior Bowl/Combine

1. Bryce Young, QB
2. Will Anderson, Edge
3. Jalen Carter, DT
4. CJ Stroud, QB
5. Myles Murphy, Edge
6. Will Levis, QB
7. Peter Skoronski, OT
8. Quentin Johnston, WR
9. Kelee Ringo, CB
10. Paris Johnson Jr. OT

Texans (via Cleveland) Brian Bresee, DT
 
beerlover said:
That's fine, Tunsil can play into his 30's no problem. Texans would be set, both tackles with franchise QB (Bryce Young).

What Texans cannot afford to do is get cute with 1st pick and not select Bryce Young.

Here is the problem as selection order is becoming more crystalized.

#2 Chicago picking has budding superstar Justin Fields
#3 Seattle once thought to be in QB mode has Geno Smith
#4 Detroit has Jared Geoff (need to get his contract redone)
#5 Philadelphia has NFL MVP nominee @ QB Jalen Hurts

Outside looking in-

#6 Carolina
#9 Indianapolis
#10 Vegas
#11 Atlanta

Texans need to make it crystal clear, intentions of selecting Bryce #1 overall. Most importantly, their best choice but secondly create bidding war between teams selecting #6, #9, #10 & #11. Chicago, Seattle, Detroit and Philly would be happy accepting any and all offers to move down and pick up even more draft capital. All those teams would be interested in Carter or Will Anderson so they would have to weigh that into equation. After Bryce is off the board how much would other QB needy teams be willing to pay up to draft CJ Stroud or Will Levis? Have feeling Texans draft slot acquired from Cleveland will be higher than #12 so can factor that in or not.

Top 10 2023 Draft Prospects (IMO) pre–Senior Bowl/Combine

1. Bryce Young, QB
2. Will Anderson, Edge
3. Jalen Carter, DT
4. CJ Stroud, QB
5. Myles Murphy, Edge
6. Will Levis, QB
7. Peter Skoronski, OT
8. Quentin Johnston, WR
9. Kelee Ringo, CB
10. Paris Johnson Jr. OT

Texans (via Cleveland) Brian Bresee, DT
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It will be a franchise altering mistake to pick Young. Will he improve the team in the short term? Yes, will there be championships? No.

Dont like Bresee that high and there have been rumors the he's going back to school. Which is a smart move IMHO. Didn't think guys from Clemson were capable of this.
 
steelbtexan said:
It will be a franchise altering mistake to pick Young. Will he improve the team in the short term? Yes, will there be championships? No.

Dont like Bresee that high and there have been rumors the he's going back to school. Which is a smart move IMHO. Didn't think guys from Clemson were capable of this.
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franchise altering mistake?

What is your source of rumors? No reason for him to stay in school and risk another injury?

Has motor similar to JJ Watt.
 
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beerlover said:
franchise altering mistake?

What is your source of rumors? No reason for him to stay in school and risk another injury?

Has motor similar to JJ Watt.
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Picking Young's a franchise altering mistake. IMHO, That's if you value championships over being entertained.

I cant remember either Pauline or Bosarge.
 
wildroot said:
I think we're seeing improvment, we just gave two top division teams everything they could handle (with 4 or 5 of our best players on the injury list) and were leading late in the 4th quarter before losing out...I'll take that as a sign that this thing is moving in the right direction.
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That’s all I’m asking for. I think I’ve been seeing improvement & then they go & do something stupid (imo). I thought DM finally had a good game & then they bench him. That game against Dallas they were looking good & then they go Burkhead, Burkhead, Driskel from the 4 yard line… woosaaa… woosaa

then the Eno Benjamin thing sigh…

I don’t think I’m an “instant gratification” guy, but I need to see they’re not wasting time.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Jets are prepared to move on from Zach Wilson after two seasons. But I like their odds in the future better than Houston at this point. Was the Wilson bust franchise altering for them? Or a speed bump?
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The Jets already had talent around him and added to it with a great draft. But Yes, It's gonna hurt the Jets cap for atleast the next couple of yrs.
 
JB said:
Not true
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Did they draft Hall/G.Wilson and add Conklin/Uzomah in the draft. As well as adding D. Brown and the doctor after injuries hit their OL?

The defense was pretty much built out and Johnson/Sauce/Whitehead were the final missing pieces.
 
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