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Moulds Trade Official

el toro said:
With that much interest why agree to a deal before being released?
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This is the convential wisdom that people are seeming to follow. It was a similar situation to T.O. Why give up a pick when you can have him for free.

It becomes a question as to how badly the Texans want him and how do they feel Philly will come in. If they feel that Philly is not going to pay him big money and they feel like they can outbid the Eagles, then you sit on your picks, wait for the release and sign him.

If they really want him badly enough and feel him possibly slipping away, then they could trade a fourth or fifth for his rights and sign him.

The basic premise is that the Eagles will NOT give up draft picks for Moulds. They also would probably not blow him out of the water with a huge deal, again because of interest in Javon Walker. So the Texans are wise to sit tight with their picks and wait for him to be released.

The Bills are no longer part of the equation essentially. Moulds wants his money. So when he goes to teams like Houston and Philly, he is talking numbers to them. Those numbers will remain the same whether he is traded or signed as a free agent. If Houston can't sign him for the number he wants, they aren't going to be able to sign him for that number if they trade for him. The only way this would be the case is if the money in Philly and Houston are equal or the Texans are sure he will sign for their number. Then you toss the Bills a bone with a fifth rounder and take him.

I don't know the numbers he is asking, but in a perfect world he would be a great addition. Moulds and AJ are better than Gaffney and AJ.
 
coachdent said:
. Moulds and AJ are better than Gaffney and AJ.
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Thank you. You hit the nail on the head. Moulds is also a step up over Bradford, Mr. Butterfingers himself. Why did Detriot sign him anyways?
 
O.G. said:
610 Morning show just got thru interview Philly Beat Writer Gary Cobb. He had alot to say about the T.O. situation. He also touched on how the Eagles plan on using Gaff. He said Gaffney could easily if D. McNabb gains confidence in him have between 75-80 catches and he is bidding for the 2nd receiver position. Cobb said that they like the fact that Gaffney didn't drop anything and was able to get 55 catches from a QB that was running for his life all game every game. He said Philly wasn't going to throw the ball as much as they did last year. He touched on our DE signing of Kalu. Said that if he could stay healthy, he would be a great addition. Last thing before he left and bringing it up on his own was the Moulds situation. He said, he would love to see him in Philly but Philly is not going to pay close to what he was asking and if the Texans have the better offer, the will get him.
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Gary Cobb doesn't exactly have the market cornered on NFL scoops. He is a former player and radio host who isn't exactly dialed in. I think he is being overly optimistic about Gaffney's production in Philly. He is quoting the company line from the Eagles and the expectations for Gaff. Time will tell, but I think his lack of production stems from a bit more than playing with a struggling offense.

Having said what I said about Cobb, I would agree with him about his take on the Moulds situation. I have stated it here on previous posts. Don't want to sound mean on Gary Cobb by the way. Just wanted to put the source in some perspective.
 
The Dream said:
I've always been a fan of Moulds.....I can picture it now VY to Johnson and Moulds.....sounds good doesn't it???
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no it sounds delusional and devoid of any real football knowledge. Even if we did draft VY he would ride the pine for @ least a year or so and by then Mathis would have come on and we would have cut Moulds.

Moulds will never in his lifetime be on the recieiving end of a VY pass.:redtowel:
 
Moulds will never in his lifetime be on the recieiving end of a VY pass.:redtowel:[/QUOTE]:)


Not unless Moulds goes to the Jets or the Raiders!
 
keyfro said:
IMO getting moulds will have us ready to win next year...it gives us a ligit number 2 receiver opposite andre and it might actually start some competition for the number 1 spot...
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I'm with you here. I don't see Moulds as a #2 yet....... He still thinks he is a #1, and hopefully, will play like it. It might however, cause a little tension in the future, I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
 
[[Gary Kubiak]] said:
Brickford..... drops another pass between the numbers or brickford tips the ball in the air...OMG interecepted! Glad he is a Lion now. He will never see action there.

He was 3rd string in GB and became #1 at times (AJ injured) for OUR TEXANS. Where is my brown paperbag?
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Things seem to be looking up know though. We get rid of Brickford. We get Walters we get Bush. We hopefelly get Moulds. We get Putzier. A little suger and spice and everything nice. Sounds good to me.:drool:
 
The Dream said:
I've always been a fan of Moulds.....I can picture it now VY to Johnson and Moulds.....sounds good doesn't it???
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No because right after that you'll hear something like. Oh and the ball was intercepted. Well, yeah but you can't really expect a rookie to acclimate to the speed of the NFL and lobs usually don't work. He needs to work on......
 
coachdent said:
Gary Cobb doesn't exactly have the market cornered on NFL scoops. He is a former player and radio host who isn't exactly dialed in. I think he is being overly optimistic about Gaffney's production in Philly. He is quoting the company line from the Eagles and the expectations for Gaff. Time will tell, but I think his lack of production stems from a bit more than playing with a struggling offense.

Having said what I said about Cobb, I would agree with him about his take on the Moulds situation. I have stated it here on previous posts. Don't want to sound mean on Gary Cobb by the way. Just wanted to put the source in some perspective.
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Actually their predictions on Gaff sound really good to me. Provided he and McNabb do not get injured, I would project Gaff to finish with 60-80 rec, close to 1,000 yds and 4-6 TDs.

And sweet heavens, 15 pages of posts mostly about Moulds that haven't gotten off-topic on VY/RB. Impressive.
 
jerek said:
Actually their predictions on Gaff sound really good to me. Provided he and McNabb do not get injured, I would project Gaff to finish with 60-80 rec, close to 1,000 yds and 4-6 TDs.

And sweet heavens, 15 pages of posts mostly about Moulds that haven't gotten off-topic on VY/RB. Impressive.
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knock on wood
 
[[Gary Kubiak]] said:
Charley Casserly! We better get this thing done by 6PM tonigh.....:challenge

Laters people. I'd have a heart attack waiting here every minute.
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Ya, really. I've got to go find something to occupy myself for awhile so that when I come back hopefully we'll have him. :redtowel: I know that's wishful thinking though.
 
Not sure if this has been posted .... nothing new in it ....

from www.kffl.com/nfl

Texans | Kubiak wants to land Moulds
Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:01:49 -0800

ESPN.com's John Clayton reports Houston Texans head coach Gary Kubiak said the team continues to talk to the Buffalo Bills about acquiring WR Eric Moulds in a trade. Kubiak thinks Moulds would be a perfect fit for his offense.
 
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060328/SPORTS03/603280347/1021
Half-dozen teams show interest in Moulds

Philadelphia tops list for Bills receiver, who's soliciting trade offers

Leo Roth
Staff writer

(March 28, 2006) - The list of teams interested in acquiring Buffalo Bills Pro Bowl veteran wide receiver Eric Moulds is now up to a half dozen.

The NFC champion Seattle Seahawks entered the picture Monday after a busy weekend of speculation on where Moulds will wind up, personal adviser Greg Johnson said.

Philadelphia remains at the top of Moulds' wish list, Johnson said. Houston, Denver, New England and Kansas City have also expressed interest.

"Those are the teams," Johnson said. "Each one has said they would love to have Eric. We have to work something out that makes sense to them and something that makes sense to Eric. It won't be so hard working out a deal with the Bills. I think they'll be reasonable."

After Moulds repeatedly refused to lower his scheduled pay for 2006 - a total of $7.1 million in base salary and bonuses - the Bills gave Moulds permission last week to solicit trade offers. It's believed the Bills would take a fourth-round draft pick for their second all-time receiver, who turns 33 in July. Cutting or trading him has a similar salary cap impact of roughly $5 million, but such a move would also represent $5.3 million in cap savings.

Before a Moulds trade becomes consummated, the Bills not only have to agree on the compensation but he would also have to work out a new contract with the team that wants him.

Johnson said Moulds likes the idea of catching passes from Eagles' star quarterback and good friend Donovan McNabb. But while the Eagles, who have turned the page on the Terrell Owens saga, like Moulds, they may not be willing to pay him the $5 million average he feels he's worth.

What team would be willing to pay Moulds that kind of money? Houston. While Moulds would prefer playing for a playoff contender and the Texans, a four-year-old expansion team, are not considered one, that team is appealing to Moulds for personal reasons. His family lives nearby in Lucedale, Miss.

"We're trying to figure out what the best situation is for Eric overall," Johnson said. "It's not just money or just winning. A lot of things come into play. It would be great for Eric to play closer to home so his mom can see him play. Over his time in Buffalo, she's seen him play maybe five times. That's a huge play for Houston and he likes the idea of helping a young team like that. At this point, he's got to figure out what his priorities are."

Moulds has averaged 78 catches and 1,065 yards over the past eight years. The Texans view him as a great complement to a young Andre Johnson.
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i've seen reports that houston tops his list and reports that philly tops his list. So who really tops his list?

i know if i were in his shoes, i'd probably choose the eagles.
 
PowerfulDragon said:
i've seen reports that houston tops his list and reports that philly tops his list. So who really tops his list?

i know if i were in his shoes, i'd probably choose the eagles.
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At this point, he isn't a FA, so it really doesn't matter where he chooses, if the Eagles don't give a higher pick than the Texans, nor offer him as much as the Texans, he is very likely to come here. I believe he will be a Texan on Thursday. :redtowel:
 
If the Texans really want Moulds, there best bet is to trade for him. I don't thing if he hits teh FA market he'll come here.
 
Hulk75 said:
That is going to be big with his mom only seeing 5 games in his whole career.
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His mom has the Dish like I do. She can see him every week! :yahoo:

But seriously, Moulds' agent is going to paint a rosey picture and the best scenario for every team. It is what agents do. I wouldn't read too much into the Mississippi angle any more than I would read into Moulds being close to Donovan McNabb and working out with him. It'll come down to coin. Mamma will have an easier flight to Houston than Philly so that's nice. But it's about Maybach versus BMW! Show me the money!:yahoo:
 
I think that would be great if we can get him so he could be closer to his family. Also he knows what kind of situation is here in Houston because he said that he wouldn't mind helping a young team. I think we have alot of potential if our main problem was the coaching staff because we are adding people that can step in now and produce. :yahoo:
 
I would love to get moulds. He would compliment AJ very well...The only question is will he lower his standards and take #2 receiver money?
 
Is this a record for posts?

How many was the Orlando Pace thread? I remember it was alot. Hope it doesn't turn out the same way!
 
Texas said:
I would love to get moulds. He would compliment AJ very well...The only question is will he lower his standards and take #2 receiver money?
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Not exactly sure what Gaffney and Bradford's numbers were in terms of contracts. But I think it is in the range of $2-3 million.

Considering the following contracts:

AJ - 3 yrs left at 5 million per
Owens - 3yrs for $25 million
Glenn - 5yrs for $20 million
Bruce - 3 yrs for $15 million

I would put Moulds in a category of 3-4 yrs @ around $3.5 -4 million a year.
He wouldn't make AJ money. He won't make Reggie Bush money. He won't make David Carr coin. $9-$12 million over three to four years. My best guess.
 
Thinking about it some more I would rather have a new and future start via the draft than this guy.
 
He won't come cheap and I would tend to agree as long as we don't draft kick returner - types who can fly but not catch and run routes. New regime... Hopefully we don't make those mistakes again.
 
Texas said:
I would love to get moulds. He would compliment AJ very well...The only question is will he lower his standards and take #2 receiver money?
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$5mil over 3 years, isn't really #2 money, He'll also get a bonus so that he will earn the $7.1mill he was supposed to earn in Buffalo.
 
Hulk75 said:
That has been the problem with a lot of Texan fans for 4 years now, too freaking impasiont.
I aplogize if you were joking.
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I was referring to the front office's moves this offseason.
 
kingh99 said:
Thinking about it some more I would rather have a new and future start via the draft than this guy.
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We have that in Jerome Mathis. Get Moulds for a few years and when he retires Jerome will be a solid #2 WR for us.
 
at this point in his career i think family being able to see him will be a huge part of his decision which is why i think he'll land here...we might have to give up the 4th round pick to do so but what player in the 4th round would give us the type of production eric moulds can this year...if i'm casserly i fly him and his mom to reliant stadium show them both around and treat this very much like a college recruitment where you get the whole family envolved...because i grantee if you get his family on our side he'll be a texan
 
Don't know if anyone had posted this yet . . .

Patriots Notebook: Moulds' advisor says Pats aren't eager enough

01:00 AM EST on Tuesday, March 28, 2006
BY TOM E. CURRAN
Journal Sports Writer

The Patriots will have to keep the "Help Wanted" signs posted outside the wide receivers meeting rooms a while longer. Eric Moulds won't be coming to town.

Moulds' advisor, Greg Johnson , said last night that the Houston Texans and Philadelphia Eagles are moving more quickly than the Patriots to strike a deal with the Bills to land Moulds.

"It's not going to work out [with New England]," said Johnson. "The timing's not right. The only way it would get done now is if it falls apart with these other teams, and I don't see that happening.

"I know it would take longer to get it done in New England and these other teams want to know [Moulds' plans] and want to get it done quickly. I've got be honest with you, we'll most likely get it done in the next 48 hours."

The Patriots directly expressed interest in the Bills wide receiver. And the veteran Moulds, who's forcing his way out of a bleak situation in Buffalo, said he'd like to play for the Pats. But the Bills surely would have made it expensive for the Pats to acquire him -- far more pricy than the fourth-round pick they're reportedly willing to accept from Houston.
 
The Texans aren't regarded as a contender (for obvious reasons) in '06 but it's not like they are on the wrong path. If they are competing for a playoff spot in '07 would that be good enough for Moulds? He can help the team get there. It's not like Philly had a great season last year, even before McNabb went down.

I don't doubt Moulds' competitiveness, but the talk about him wanting to go to a winner makes sense as a contender is probably more likely to shell out some $ if they view him as they guy who can get them over the hump into the SB. The Texans have a different perspective but it's a perspective based on winning ASAP.
 
el toro said:
The Texans aren't regarded as a contender (for obvious reasons) in '06 but it's not like they are on the wrong path. If they are competing for a playoff spot in '07 would that be good enough for Moulds? He can help the team get there. It's not like Philly had a great season last year, even before McNabb went down.

I don't doubt Moulds' competitiveness, but the talk about him wanting to go to a winner makes sense as a contender is probably more likely to shell out some $ if they view him as they guy who can get them over the hump into the SB. The Texans have a different perspective but it's a perspective based on winning ASAP.
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I would also believe that in Philly there will be greater expectations for Moulds to come in an succeed much in the same retrospect as TO did. 90 catches, 1100-1200 yds with 9 TD's. Plus, Philly's fan bases is alittle less forgiving if he doesn't meet those expectations.
 
We have to remember that these guys have huge egos. The key is to stroke that ego enough to get them to agree. Moulds is probably thinking, "their offense sucked last year because they didn't have a go to reciever. I'M A GO TO RECIEVER! Therefore, I'm going to make the difference." When you look at just the offensive side of the ball you can begin to see things that way. Flanigan improves two spots on the line (moving McKinney over to guard) and adding guys like Putzier, Walters, and Cook may not be sexy, but they are slight to significant upgrades at key positions. If you throw Bush into the mix then you have an offense that goes from gawdawful to pretty good in one off-season. While this might be a rosy picture, you have to have an ego to be a borderline all-pro reciever for nearly a decade.

Of course, this doesn't address the other side of the ball. I think all of the additions on that side are enough to get who you want in the draft versus who you need.

Of course, the flip side of the ego thing is getting him to accept number two reciever money.
 
barzilla said:
We have to remember that these guys have huge egos. The key is to stroke that ego enough to get them to agree. Moulds is probably thinking, "their offense sucked last year because they didn't have a go to reciever. I'M A GO TO RECIEVER! Therefore, I'm going to make the difference." When you look at just the offensive side of the ball you can begin to see things that way. Flanigan improves two spots on the line (moving McKinney over to guard) and adding guys like Putzier, Walters, and Cook may not be sexy, but they are slight to significant upgrades at key positions. If you throw Bush into the mix then you have an offense that goes from gawdawful to pretty good in one off-season. While this might be a rosy picture, you have to have an ego to be a borderline all-pro reciever for nearly a decade.

Of course, this doesn't address the other side of the ball. I think all of the additions on that side are enough to get who you want in the draft versus who you need.

Of course, the flip side of the ego thing is getting him to accept number two reciever money.
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Has anybody considered that maybe he is tired of being cold for half the season? A temperate climate might do wonders...i wouldnt want to spend my career in philly and buffalo
 
The throws are going to be there for him if he produces. He should have plenty of one on one matchups with AJ, Bush, and Putzier also heading downfield on any number of downs. It also sounds like the Texans are willing to put up the kind of $ he is seeking. Who knows, maybe something will go down today?
 
I don't know if it's been talked about already, but did anybody else catch the chronicle's article this morning. It said no progress had been made. I'm not to good at reading between the lines, but does anybody feel this is a bad indication of how things are going right now. I hope I'm just reading to much into it and we still land him.
 
There are two negotiations the Texans have to deal with: a contract with Moulds and a trade with the Bills. They have to reach an agreement with Moulds before they can finalize the trade with the Bills. I believe, however, that an agreement reached between the Texans and Moulds would be reported. I would also believe that it wouldn't take that long to restructure the deal. The key issues, of course, are the years, $, and guaranteed $ of the contract.

Of course, with any number of teams now expressing interest in Moulds he might think twice about agreeing to terms with the Texans.
 
I don't know if this has been posted or not but according to Bills Insider...

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Moulds Situation Nearing End? The adviser for Eric Moulds said that the situation should be resolved in the next 48 hours. It seems like Houston and Philadelphia are moving fast in trying to acquire the wide receiver from Buffalo. The Patriots are also interested but aren't moving fast enough to be in the race according to his adviser Greg Johnson. The Bills reportedly want a fourth round pick. Do you think that would be a good deal? Take our poll on our homepage and let us know what you think.
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TEXANRED said:
Is this a record for posts?

How many was the Orlando Pace thread? I remember it was alot. Hope it doesn't turn out the same way!
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Over E. Moulds at that. Wtf.
 
swtbound07 said:
Has anybody considered that maybe he is tired of being cold for half the season? A temperate climate might do wonders...i wouldnt want to spend my career in philly and buffalo
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Are you kidding me? Oh ya, that's the reason he is deciding between Philly and Houston because of the weather, so he can play in Houston's 100+ degrees, 100% Humidity, and nasty air. Well, well.....another genius post. You ever heard of money? Oh wait......that has nothing to do with it.
 
MOULDS PREFERS EAGLES

"Although recent reports out of Houston suggest that the Texans are at the lead of the pack in the hunt to strike a deal for Bills receiver Eric Moulds, the Philadelphia Daily News reports that the Texans aren't one of the five teams on Moulds' wish list.

Instead, the teams in which Moulds primarily is interested are the Eagles, Patriots, Seahawks, Chiefs, and Bronco."

From ProFootballTalk.com
 
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