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"Matt Schaub gives Texans best chance to win in 2014" -Marshall Faulk

1st of all I don't know how to do sigs, maybe I'm stupid.

2nd of all why would I would I want to make a sig of a memory that I'm trying very hard to forget? I suggest you might try to do the same.

I see, just because you do not know how to do something does not make you stupid, but not asking how to do something makes you bull headed and gives a little insight into your character.

If you are trying so hard to forget it, why do you take shots at Schaub every chance you get? This shows it's not something you are trying to forget at all, but rather something you have turned into a sport.

I appreciate your suggestion, but I am not so short sighted that I would forget everything Schaub has done for the Texans, and the City of Houston just because he had one bad season. Let's not forget Matt Schaub owns every Texas QB record there is to have, and yes that includes some bad ones, but let's stop pretending he is the worst NFL QB ever, or even close.
 
I see, just because you do not know how to do something does not make you stupid, but not asking how to do something makes you bull headed and gives a little insight into your character.

If you are trying so hard to forget it, why do you take shots at Schaub every chance you get? This shows it's not something you are trying to forget at all, but rather something you have turned into a sport.

I appreciate your suggestion, but I am not so short sighted that I would forget everything Schaub has done for the Texans, and the City of Houston just because he had one bad season. Let's not forget Matt Schaub owns every Texas QB record there is to have, and yes that includes some bad ones, but let's stop pretending he is the worst NFL QB ever, or even close.

Given the QBs to come through town to this point in team history, I don't know Schaub holding X, Y, Z records says too much. For a time he was competent, much more than his predecessor, and that's about it, for me at least. 10 years down the road would be a better sample size.
 
Given the QBs to come through town to this point in team history, I don't know Schaub holding X, Y, Z records says too much. For a time he was competent, much more than his predecessor, and that's about it, for me at least. 10 years down the road would be a better sample size.

To be fair, there were times when he was great. While I'm 100% certain that he's done as a starter, it would be enlightening for people to go back and watch his highlights from the years before his foot injury. He was a much different quarterback. Overall, he had a ceiling, but he was much better than the concensus around here believes today.
 
I see, just because you do not know how to do something does not make you stupid, but not asking how to do something makes you bull headed and gives a little insight into your character.

If you are trying so hard to forget it, why do you take shots at Schaub every chance you get? This shows it's not something you are trying to forget at all, but rather something you have turned into a sport.

I appreciate your suggestion, but I am not so short sighted that I would forget everything Schaub has done for the Texans, and the City of Houston just because he had one bad season. Let's not forget Matt Schaub owns every Texas QB record there is to have, and yes that includes some bad ones, but let's stop pretending he is the worst NFL QB ever, or even close.

I'm not responding to the Schaub questin as I said before I'm done with you on that subject.

However, do not question my character. I've spent my time her on this earth trying to show that my character is beyond reproach. How I spend my time is my business and will always be my business. So I wish you the best in however you wish to spend your time and would hope you might wish me the same. Afterall time in life is short.
 
To be fair, there were times when he was great. While I'm 100% certain that he's done as a starter, it would be enlightening for people to go back and watch his highlights from the years before his foot injury. He was a much different quarterback. Overall, he had a ceiling, but he was much better than the concensus around here believes today.

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Even though some will never admit this.
 
To be fair, there were times when he was great. While I'm 100% certain that he's done as a starter, it would be enlightening for people to go back and watch his highlights from the years before his foot injury. He was a much different quarterback. Overall, he had a ceiling, but he was much better than the concensus around here believes today.

I could see us not drafting a QB at 1-1 but picking one up after and rolling with Schaub next year. This give O'Brien a year hands on with Schaub and the heir apparent.
 
To be fair, there were times when he was great. While I'm 100% certain that he's done as a starter, it would be enlightening for people to go back and watch his highlights from the years before his foot injury. He was a much different quarterback. Overall, he had a ceiling, but he was much better than the concensus around here believes today.

As far as his ceiling and franchise QB records go, if Schaub is the ceiling the Texans reach for franchise QBs during their history... :kitten:
 
I could see us not drafting a QB at 1-1 but picking one up after and rolling with Schaub next year. This give O'Brien a year hands on with Schaub and the heir apparent.

I can see this also, especially if we draft Bortles or Garropolo
 
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Even though some will never admit this.


I'll admit it. Matt had some amazing moments.

I was at the Green Bay game when, coming back from an injury, the guy led his team to a win. He was good.

And, I'm still shocked that he went back into a game after separating his shoulder. That was amazing and the guy showed guts.

Having said all that...it's time to move on; for him and for us.


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I'll admit it. Matt had some amazing moments.

I was at the Green Bay game when, coming back from an injury, the guy led his team to a win. He was good.

And, I'm still shocked that he went back into a game after separating his shoulder. That was amazing and the guy showed guts.

Having said all that...it's time to move on; for him and for us.


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That game against the Packers in Green Bay was a turning point. It was the beginning of the first time in team history that we had a respectable offense. I remember seeing the bootleg rollout result in a 40 yard pass to Andre. I was shocked while sitting in a Packer bar wearing my Texans shirt, having expected to get dominated that day.

Here are some of the highlights of Schaub I mentioned earlier. Obviously a much different quarterback.
 
Given the QBs to come through town to this point in team history, I don't know Schaub holding X, Y, Z records says too much. For a time he was competent, much more than his predecessor, and that's about it, for me at least. 10 years down the road would be a better sample size.

Like it or not, Schaub is the best QB the Texans have ever had. And while there has only been two in franchise history, that is testament to his accomplishments here. Some will say it was only because Kubiak, but that is speculation. In 2009 Schaub was better than every QB in the league, including Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and even the legendary Favre. It's not like those guys took that year off, or were injured. To ignore that fact because he threw a whole mess of pick 6's season is plain ignorant.

Give the man the credit he deserves, and stop bashing him every chance you get. No reason to kick a man when he is down. Thank him for his service and let's move on.

To be fair, there were times when he was great. While I'm 100% certain that he's done as a starter, it would be enlightening for people to go back and watch his highlights from the years before his foot injury. He was a much different quarterback. Overall, he had a ceiling, but he was much better than the concensus around here believes today.

Agreed! 2009 in particular when he had no run game and no D. He carried the team that year and led them to their first winning season, and in the process bested guys like Manning, Brady and Brees.

I'm not responding to the Schaub questin as I said before I'm done with you on that subject.

However, do not question my character. I've spent my time her on this earth trying to show that my character is beyond reproach. How I spend my time is my business and will always be my business. So I wish you the best in however you wish to spend your time and would hope you might wish me the same. Afterall time in life is short.

I do not understand why you keep posting in a Schaub thread, but refuse to talk about Schaub with me. Makes no sense. If you are trying to forget, or are tired of the subject, stop reading and posting in this thread.

Listen I have no animosity towards you, or anyone on this board for that matter. Of course I wish you only the best, I just can't understand why you do not afford others, namely Matt Schaub the same respect. Life is short, so enjoy the good moments and let the bad ones go. No sense in holding onto the past and kicking a man while he is down.

I could see us not drafting a QB at 1-1 but picking one up after and rolling with Schaub next year. This give O'Brien a year hands on with Schaub and the heir apparent.

If they take Clowney, I look at your scenario as more likely, but if they take a QB, I think they will cut Schaub. O'Brien does not seem like the kind of guy however who will make his decisions based on what fans think. If he thinks Schaub can help him transition into a new QB next season, he will keep him around regardless what some of the fans say IMO.
 
So add one more former NFL player who is a well respected film guy on QB's who thinks... well, you know.

“I can’t advise Bill O’Brien who to take, but I’m certain Bill O’Brien knows what he wants his quarterback to look like,” Jaworski said. “And I actually think they have a quarterback on their roster in Matt Schaub that is the kind of quarterback that Bill O’Brien likes.

“I think he’s going to say, ‘Hmmm. I like this Schaub guy. He reminds me a little bit of Tom Brady in size and stature,’ maybe not the outstanding consistency of Tom Brady, but you have an experienced, veteran quarterback, you surround him with the right people, I think Matt Schaub can still play a very solid game in the NFL.” -Ron Jaworski

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Let the Ron Jaworski bashing begin!
 
So add one more former NFL player who is a well respected film guy on QB's who thinks... well, you know.



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Let the Ron Jaworski bashing begin!

Ron's already forgot about the Lisfranc.

You know Schaub's never had it good around here. He was a back up to a running back in Atlanta. And after the last season & a third..... even his staunchest fans have had enough.

Me personally, if he hasn't sniffed a Super Bowl, I don't think you can take a $14M cap hit on the guy, no matter how promising, especially not at his age.

Even if he comes back & plays well, we'll have our fingers crossed that he can keep it up for 19 weeks, heck, that he can even make it through another season healthy.

Just not worth it to me.
 
I could see us not drafting a QB at 1-1 but picking one up after and rolling with Schaub next year. This give O'Brien a year hands on with Schaub and the heir apparent.

So basically doing EXACTLY what Gary Kubiak did in 2006? Not taking the QB but rolling with the DE, or whom ever, at 1.1 and "working" with the lame duck QB only to cut his ass the following year and trading for a backup....

I cannot believe that this topic has gotten 16 pages. 16 pages debating about a mediocre, AT BEST, lame duck QB giving the Texans the best chance to win the answer is very obvious...

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!
 
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Ron's already forgot about the Lisfranc.

You know Schaub's never had it good around here. He was a back up to a running back in Atlanta. And after the last season & a third..... even his staunchest fans have had enough.

Me personally, if he hasn't sniffed a Super Bowl, I don't think you can take a $14M cap hit on the guy, no matter how promising, especially not at his age.

Even if he comes back & plays well, we'll have our fingers crossed that he can keep it up for 19 weeks, heck, that he can even make it through another season healthy.

Just not worth it to me.

Come on TK, you can't honestly say that there will not be just as much hand wringing, and holding of the breathe if Bridgewater, Manziel or Bortles come in to start. Anyone here who thinks the Texans are Super Bowl bound this season regardless of who is drafted, cut, or signed is drinking the kool aid.

Here is a highly respected former NFL QB, and now QB evaluator saying basically the same thing the other two guys have said. People keep trying to say that they are saying Schaub is the long term answer, and that is not what I, or any of the other guys have said.

Given the circumstances, the free agents available, the body of work Schaub has, etc, etc, he seems like the most realistic chance the Texans have to make a quick turnaround while they groom a 2nd or 3rd round pick, or better yet go after the franchise QB in 2015. Like it or not, it may be exactly the way O'Brien looks at it too. Only time will tell.

So basically doing EXACTLY what Gary Kubiak did in 2006? Not taking the QB but rolling with the DE, or whom ever, at 1.1 and "working" with lame duck QB only to cut his ass the following year and trading for a backup....

I cannot believe that this topic has gotten 16 pages. 16 pages debating about a mediocre, AT BEST, lame duck QB giving the Texans the best chance to win the answer is very obvious...

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

I know this is a stupid question, but I gotta ask... Did you ever stop to think it might be you, not these highly respected former players, and analysts that is taking crazy pills? Is your hate for Schaub so strong that you are incapable of envisioning any other outcome than what you want to happen?

You can shout NO! a million times, it won't change what these men have said, and it can't all be just an attention grab like all of you accused Faulk of. Clearly they are putting their reputations on the line by saying what they are. You can be wrong and only have to listen to board members raz you, when they are wrong their rep takes a hit. Calling them crazy is just an attempt to discredit them because they do not agree with you.

You and your follow the general consensus attitude is more mediocre in nature than thinking outside the box. I mean it was not too long ago when the majority of people thought the world was flat, or that space travel was impossible. Thank goodness not everyone thinks like you.

Hey nice sig bro... I guess you made it bigger than the last one you made because in your mind, the biggest and the loudest is the one who is right. Compensating for something?
 
I like your sig, reminds me allot like Matt Schaub...Lame and mediocre at best!

Thanks for trying though! "A" for effort....

See the difference is, that you say I am cheering for the guy who has thrown the mist Pick 6's in NFL history, but you leave out stuff like he is also the guy who has thrown for the 2nd most yards in a game in NFL history too. It's just like you to cherry pick the negative stuff out.

Super Size that sig bro. That's really showing me who's boss. What's next... typing in all CAPS?
 
Come on TK, you can't honestly say that there will not be just as much hand wringing, and holding of the breathe if Bridgewater, Manziel or Bortles come in to start. Anyone here who thinks the Texans are Super Bowl bound this season regardless of who is drafted, cut, or signed is drinking the kool aid.

Here is a highly respected former NFL QB, and now QB evaluator saying basically the same thing the other two guys have said. People keep trying to say that they are saying Schaub is the long term answer, and that is not what I, or any of the other guys have said.

Given the circumstances, the free agents available, the body of work Schaub has, etc, etc, he seems like the most realistic chance the Texans have to make a quick turnaround while they groom a 2nd or 3rd round pick, or better yet go after the franchise QB in 2015. Like it or not, it may be exactly the way O'Brien looks at it too. Only time will tell.

I've already told you where I stand..... if he takes a pay cut, I'm on board. But I totally understand the fans desire to ship him out of town regardless. Good thing for you & Schaub, fan desires don't go into the decision making process of the Texans.
 
I know this is a stupid question, but I gotta ask... Did you ever stop to think it might be you, not these highly respected former players, and analysts that is taking crazy pills? Is your hate for Schaub so strong that you are incapable of envisioning any other outcome than what you want to happen?

You can shout NO! a million times, it won't change what these men have said, and it can't all be just an attention grab like all of you accused Faulk of. Clearly they are putting their reputations on the line by saying what they are. You can be wrong and only have to listen to board members raz you, when they are wrong their rep takes a hit. Calling them crazy is just an attempt to discredit them because they do not agree with you.

You and your follow the general consensus attitude is more mediocre in nature than thinking outside the box. I mean it was not too long ago when the majority of people thought the world was flat, or that space travel was impossible. Thank goodness not everyone thinks like you.

Hey nice sig bro... I guess you made it bigger than the last one you made because in your mind, the biggest and the loudest is the one who is right. Compensating for something?

Did you ever stop and think, in all your trolling on this board, that these so called "expert" give their opinions because that is their job. Marshall Faulk saying Matt schaub gives the Texans the best chance to win is not because Matt Schaub is an elite or half competent QB, it's simply because there are no other options on the Texans table at this time. ANYBODY with decent football knowledge know Matt Schaub is done with the Texans... period end of discussion.

See unlike you, I don't hide behind what talking heads say. The SAME talking heads that said JaMarcus Russell was going to be an elite QB with 3-5 years of his career. That came from a draft expert that watches film on players as well. I can see the forest for the trees, I know a lame duck when I see one and Matt Schaub is a lame duck. SAME talking heads that said Ryan Leaf would have a better career than Peyton Manning. It is no stretch or risk to give your opinion and be wrong. No credibility is going to be lost, so basically everything you are saying about these so called "experts" is for nothing...

Your stupid comment about Matt Schaub owning all the Texans records, really? Really? you are gonna hang your hat on the fact that Matt schaub was better than David Carr? WOW, man that was a huge bar to climb over there, not to mention Schaub spent twice as long in Houston than Carr did. Great research there man!

Just you trolling trying to stir the pot...

There is no thinking out side the box when it comes to Matt Schaub. He is not a out side the box type of QB, so spew all your troll drivel, but it is just making you look like a complete and utter idiot. Thinking out side the box would be taking Manziel and designing an offense around his skill, BUT since your so called hero says not to take him until the 3rd round, lets kill that idea...

More think like me and would be right, history has a ugly way of repeating itself and especially in Houston.

and your little "compensating for something" joke, I would throw in a immature wife joke as a retaliation, but we both know that nobody would be stupid enough to hook up with you, so we shall leave that one be...

Back to the ignore list you go, troll!
 
Meh.... Jaws wasn't necessarily a big guy himself, nor all that athletic. He had a decent to mediocre career as a QB.

His analysis used to be decent and then he became some sort of contrarian. Manziel a third rounder? Really?? Russell Wilson too short??? Really?? Didn't he say something about Kaepernick being the best QB in the league (or something to that affect?)
 
Did you ever stop and think, in all your trolling on this board, that these so called "expert" give their opinions because that is their job. Marshall Faulk saying Matt schaub gives the Texans the best chance to win is not because Matt Schaub is an elite or half competent QB, it's simply because there are no other options on the Texans table at this time. ANYBODY with decent football knowledge know Matt Schaub is done with the Texans... period end of discussion.

Dude, you throw the word "Troll" around like people throw the word "Racist" around. Typical liberal tactics. Just because I disagree with you does not make me a troll. If my opinions rile you up, that's on you dude, and I suggest some counseling for your anger management problems.

In regards to the idea that talking heads give their opinions because it is their jobs... uh, wow, that is so profound I have to stop and ponder that for a while. I'll get back to you. :fingergun:

Where did I say Faulk said what he did because Schaub was elite? I agree with your comments regarding why he said it. Which is my point. Schaub (If Released) will be the best FA QB available regardless of your personal feelings towards the man, so is it really that hard to fathom that he may NOT be done with the Texans? I mean I see all kinds of players getting cut now that the season is over, yet Schaub remains a Texan. As bad as you and some other fans make him out to be, you would think they would want to cut that dead weight as soon as possible. You are not the amazing Kreskin or have the ability to see into the future. In your mind, (and many others) Schaub is done as a Texan, and that could very well be the case, but I think that at least at this point, it is more wishful thinking than solid fact.

If you are suggesting that Jaworski does not possess "decent football knowledge" then you are just continuing to display megalomaniac characteristics.

See unlike you, I don't hide behind what talking heads say. The SAME talking heads that said JaMarcus Russell was going to be an elite QB with 3-5 years of his career. That came from a draft expert that watches film on players as well. I can see the forest for the trees, I know a lame duck when I see one and Matt Schaub is a lame duck. SAME talking heads that said Ryan Leaf would have a better career than Peyton Manning. It is no stretch or risk to give your opinion and be wrong. No credibility is going to be lost, so basically everything you are saying about these so called "experts" is for nothing...

You are still confused. You do not "hide behind" talking heads comments because you reject them outright if they do not align with your opinions because you think you know better than they do. I am not hiding behind them, I am posting them to encourage discussion on their opinions, not that everyone should bow down and begin to chant every time these guys speak. Having said that, I would expect fans to take more notice than when you or I speak on the topic.

Your stupid comment about Matt Schaub owning all the Texans records, really? Really? you are gonna hang your hat on the fact that Matt schaub was better than David Carr? WOW, man that was a huge bar to climb over there, not to mention Schaub spent twice as long in Houston than Carr did. Great research there man!

Just you trolling trying to stir the pot...

Calling my comments stupid does not make your points any more valid. In fact I would say to any clear thinking person it shows that you lack the capability to have a discussion without resorting to name calling when you can't come up with anything intelligent to say.

Yes really... David Carr was a #1 overall pick. Schaub was drafted in the 3rd round. Schaub stayed in Houston longer than Carr because he was performing at a high level, not because he was Kubiak's butt buddy, but here you are trying to discount what the man has done for the franchise and treat him the same way you treated someone who did not perform well.

You are missing the point. How many QB's has Cleveland had since Schaub joined the league, or most other teams for that matter? You contend that is because Kubiak kept him from getting cut, I contend it is because he was a good solid QB who was no Brady, Brees or Manning, but was good enough to get the job done. Stats and history are on my side, and you just keep clinging to last seasons performance as a measuring stick. Brilliant.

There is no thinking out side the box when it comes to Matt Schaub. He is not a out side the box type of QB, so spew all your troll drivel, but it is just making you look like a complete and utter idiot. Thinking out side the box would be taking Manziel and designing an offense around his skill, BUT since your so called hero says not to take him until the 3rd round, lets kill that idea...

Your reading comprehension amazes me. When did I say or indirectly infer that Schaub is an outside the box QB? The out of the box comment was referring to using the mob mentality think you are employing. The fact is Schaub will be the best FA QB available should he be released, and if you think that Manziel or any rookie QB is going to come in here this season and take the Texans to the SB before Schaub could, you are even more mentally unstable than you are exhibiting in your posts.

The owner of the team does not want a rebuild, he wants to win now, and O'Brien knows he is not going to do that with a rookie QB. It has NEVER been done! Whether or not I am a "Complete and Utter Idiot" is irrelevant in this instance since I was not the one who made the comments, but since you cannot attack the message, you will attack the messenger.

So called hero? There you go putting words in my mouth again. Please quote where I called Jaworski my hero? Jaws has said some off the wall things in the past, and in the eyes of most, this is one of them. Just because I agree with him in this instance does not make him my hero. But he sure as hell has more credibility than you.

More think like me and would be right, history has a ugly way of repeating itself and especially in Houston.

and your little "compensating for something" joke, I would throw in a immature wife joke as a retaliation, but we both know that nobody would be stupid enough to hook up with you, so we shall leave that one be...

Back to the ignore list you go, troll!

More think like you so that makes them, and you right? man do you hear yourself? Well, since you made the joke even though you said you wouldn't, it would once again show how wrong you are since I am the father of 3 great kids with a very beautiful, smart and caring wife. Just more juvenile attacks by you to try to discredit me because I ruffled your feathers. Do you need your binky?

And we both know you are not going to put me on your ignore list because you like to hear yourself bloviate too much, and someone like me gives you that opportunity far too often. Even if you did add me to your ignore list, you will still click on the link to read it, and we both know that if anyone replies to my post that is not on your block list you will be forced to view my comments anyway, but thanks for letting everyone know what you were going to do instead of just doing in. Everybody follow BullNation4Life, he is soooo cool.

That's Ron "I wouldn't draft Manziel in the 1st 3 rounds" Jaworski? Or is it Ron "Russell Wilson is too short" Jaworski? I get them confused. Jaws is all hung up on size and stature. How about, making plays for your team and not the opposition?

To be fair, Jaws also said his analysis was incomplete, and that he has more games to watch before he could complete it. He also said Manziel will go in the first round. Just if it was him, at this point of his analysis, he would not take him early.

Wilson is too short. Just because his team won a SB does not mean his physical stature has changed. How many SB;s has Brees won since the only one he has ever won? So the planets aligned and Wilson rode a terrific D and running game to a SB win. So what, does that mean everyone should start looking at short QB's? No. Oh and for the record, every QB makes plays for the other team at times. The Texans effectively demonstrated (at least one in half) what you do to short QB's like Wilson and Manziel. Maintain lanes, sugar rush and keep them in the pocket. It prevents them from having throwing lanes. Why Wade changed his tactics in the 2nd half is beyond me, but it is what it is. You can bet whomever Manziel goes to, defenses will employ that tactic.

Meh.... Jaws wasn't necessarily a big guy himself, nor all that athletic. He had a decent to mediocre career as a QB.

His analysis used to be decent and then he became some sort of contrarian. Manziel a third rounder? Really?? Russell Wilson too short??? Really?? Didn't he say something about Kaepernick being the best QB in the league (or something to that affect?)

Jaworski was 6'2" when he played, which at the time was prototypical size for a QB. He was built more like Bridgewater than Manziel. Just for the record Jaworski is an NFL MVP, NFC Champion, and an Eagles HoF inductee among many other respectable accolades, so nice try.

Jaworski opined that Manziel will go in the top 10 picks, he just said he would not pick him that early because of what he has seen on film so far. So what? In regards to what he said about Kaepernick. What he actually said was...

"I truly believe Colin Kaepernick could be one of the greatest quarterbacks ever, I love his skill set. I think the sky's the limit." -Ron Jaworski 2013

You guys are just trying to use these things to discredit what he said about Schaub. Why don't you bring up the things he said and was right about? Because that does not forward your argument. Besides did I miss something about Kaepernick being a horrible QB or something? He is well on his way to becoming exactly what Jaworski said.
 
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Meh.... Jaws wasn't necessarily a big guy himself, nor all that athletic. He had a decent to mediocre career as a QB.

His analysis used to be decent and then he became some sort of contrarian. Manziel a third rounder? Really?? Russell Wilson too short??? Really?? Didn't he say something about Kaepernick being the best QB in the league (or something to that affect?)

Jaws is respected in the NFL however he hit and misses on his assessments on QBs all the time. He loved JaMarcus Russell, said he would have the Raiders in the playoffs within 3 years...was kinda off on that one...

He also loved Ryan Leaf...

It his opinion and that is it, nothing more, nothing less and any GM that takes Jaws advice on players should be fired...

Taking Manziel in the 3rd is ludicrous... Late 1st, early 2nd maybe
 
Dude, you throw the word "Troll" around like people throw the word "Racist" around. Typical liberal tactics.

That sentence is all I need to know about your agenda. I didn't even bother with the rest of your drivel. Typical political douche-monkey that tries to voice his opinion, then tries and blast those who don't agree...

Take your crazy some where else, we are all stocked up here. Turn off Rush Limbaugh, get out of your mother's basement and leave the conspiracies alone...

Better yet, go back in your hole, troll...

Matt Schaub sucks, he is a loser...You support him which makes you a loser and the sooner he is off the Texans roster the better. Anybody who thinks he gives the Texans a chance to win, has a loser mentality. Your so called experts are wrong more time than they are right, but you keep livin' the dream....

Now, admire my sig, troll-boy....VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
 
That's Ron "I wouldn't draft Manziel in the 1st 3 rounds" Jaworski? Or is it Ron "Russell Wilson is too short" Jaworski? I get them confused. Jaws is all hung up on size and stature. How about, making plays for your team and not the opposition?

exactly! Ron Jaworski flip flops on QBs all the time. Ask him today about Russell Wilson, bet he would say he is one of the best QBs in the NFL...

Anybody who takes these guys, former NFL players or not, opinion to heart may end up with egg on their face.

Unless it is a sure fire thing, and Andrew Luck has been the closest in a long time, and even then some people have doubts, prospects coming into the NFL is a crap shoot...
 
exactly! Ron Jaworski flip flops on QBs all the time. Ask him today about Russell Wilson, bet he would say he is one of the best QBs in the NFL...

Reevaluating after two years of data is not flip-flopping. Refusing to do it would be a black mark, not the other way around.
 
That sentence is all I need to know about your agenda. I didn't even bother with the rest of your drivel. Typical political douche-monkey that tries to voice his opinion, then tries and blast those who don't agree...

Take your crazy some where else, we are all stocked up here. Turn off Rush Limbaugh, get out of your mother's basement and leave the conspiracies alone...

Better yet, go back in your hole, troll...

Matt Schaub sucks, he is a loser...You support him which makes you a loser and the sooner he is off the Texans roster the better. Anybody who thinks he gives the Texans a chance to win, has a loser mentality. Your so called experts are wrong more time than they are right, but you keep livin' the dream....

Now, admire my sig, troll-boy....VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

LOL, What are you... 14?

Your 3rd sentence describes you perfectly. I have not blasted anyone. Listen, you're not going to bully me into seeing things your way dude.

And stop lying, you know you read every last word.

Can we get back on topic please. Your personal attacks are boring me.
 
Reevaluating after two years of data is not flip-flopping. Refusing to do it would be a black mark, not the other way around.

Ok but I have never heard Jaws say he was wrong on his essential evaluation of that QB, he just comes out and gushes over how great he was like he knew it from the start.

Not flip flopping, ok fine but it is still a poor evaluation from the beginning...
 
Ok but I have never heard Jaws say he was wrong on his essential evaluation of that QB, he just comes out and gushes over how great he was like he knew it from the start.

Not flip flopping, ok fine but it is still a poor evaluation from the beginning...

Well I am not going to knock Jaws for something the entire industry is guilty of in failing to say explicitly "I was wrong." Statements like "he sure has turned out better than projected" implicitly acknowledge that.

I also disagree it was poor evaluation unless you are alleging the entire NFL and the entire industry which comments on it are poor evaluators.
 
Ok but I have never heard Jaws say he was wrong on his essential evaluation of that QB, he just comes out and gushes over how great he was like he knew it from the start.

Not flip flopping, ok fine but it is still a poor evaluation from the beginning...

I wouldn't say he was wrong on his evaluation. There were a lot of negatives on Russell Wilson.

How many players strike out in the MLB, then come back & are extremely successful in the NFL? I know there are several prospects who could have gone to baseball, but chose the NFL & were successful, but not many that went, struck out, then came back to be successful. Brandon Weeden is the most recent next to Wilson & he's been more successful than most (that I can recall).

The height issue was only part of the reason. & not the reason he was wrong.
 
Well I am not going to knock Jaws for something the entire industry is guilty of in failing to say explicitly "I was wrong." Statements like "he sure has turned out better than projected" implicitly acknowledge that.

I also disagree it was poor evaluation unless you are alleging the entire NFL and the entire industry which comments on it are poor evaluators.

I would like to see the percentages of "experts" and even the industry that get their evaluations right or wrong.

What would be the number to say "ok, the industry itself are poor evaluators"

I think if I saw those numbers, I could fairly say yes they are good at their evaluations or no I would trust a word they say.
 
I would like to see the percentages of "experts" and even the industry that get their evaluations right or wrong.

What would be the number to say "ok, the industry itself are poor evaluators"

I think if I saw those numbers, I could fairly say yes they are good at their evaluations or no I would trust a word they say.

There is a reason the saying is "the exception proves the rule" instead of "the exception disproves the rule."
 
I would like to see the percentages of "experts" and even the industry that get their evaluations right or wrong.

What would be the number to say "ok, the industry itself are poor evaluators"

I think if I saw those numbers, I could fairly say yes they are good at their evaluations or no I would trust a word they say.

Well, being that QBs taken in the first round succeed more frequently than QBs taken later, says a lot about their ability to evaluate talent.
 
OK, so for the record, let me see if I have this right.

Schaub sucks, and if I disagree, I suck, and if Marshall Faulk disagrees, he sucks, Bucky Brooks... Sucks, Ron Jaworski... Sucks.

So if Bill O'Brien says we are rollin' with Schaub for one more season, he suck too?

Is that about it?

Does this seem extremely unreasonable at all to anyone but me?
 
OK, so for the record, let me see if I have this right.

Schaub sucks, and if I disagree, I suck, and if Marshall Faulk disagrees, he sucks, Bucky Brooks... Sucks, Ron Jaworski... Sucks.

So if Bill O'Brien says we are rollin' with Schaub for one more season, he suck too?

Is that about it?

Does this seem extremely unreasonable at all to anyone but me?
let it go.
 
OK, so for the record, let me see if I have this right.

Schaub sucks, and if I disagree, I suck, and if Marshall Faulk disagrees, he sucks, Bucky Brooks... Sucks, Ron Jaworski... Sucks.

So if Bill O'Brien says we are rollin' with Schaub for one more season, he suck too?

Is that about it?

Does this seem extremely unreasonable at all to anyone but me?

let it go
 
"Matt Schaub had one bad year. You look at the years he had before that there was some solid play... ...but, more than likely Schaub will be will not be back." -Jeff Garcia

Now while Garcia did not come out and say the words, I think if you watch the video, and listen to how he says it. It is clear in my mind he should be added to the "Sucks" list because he obviously supports a loser.

FF to 4:30 to see and hear his comments on not only Schaub, but Keenum also.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...nny-manziel-not-right-for-raiders-brooks-says

Nitrofish - Sucks
Marshall Faulk - Sucks
Bucky Brooks - Sucks
Ron Jaworski - Sucks
Jeff Garcia - Sucks

The list continues to grow. Seems like pretty good company to me.
 
Now while Garcia did not come out and say the words, I think if you watch the video, and listen to how he says it. It is clear in my mind he should be added to the "Sucks" list because he obviously supports a loser.

FF to 4:30 to see and hear his comments on not only Schaub, but Keenum also.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...nny-manziel-not-right-for-raiders-brooks-says

Nitrofish - Sucks
Marshall Faulk - Sucks
Bucky Brooks - Sucks
Ron Jaworski - Sucks
Jeff Garcia - Sucks

The list continues to grow. Seems like pretty good company to me.

When you do this, it lets everyone know how badly it gets under your skin to say you suck. So they find every opportunity to say, "you suck" We even have one guy who had a sig made up just for you. His avatar is just to get your goat.

Let it go.

Nothing they say mean anything. Just because there are more of them, doesn't make them right. O'Brien is going to do what O'Brien is going to do & if he decides to go with Schaub, we all know where you stand.

Besides, Jeff Garcia does suck.
 
OMG, if I read any more of this thread in the direction it's going, my head is going to burst! I'm already at the 7 SU level!

Suckation

adj. A level of sucking far worse then sucking alone. Measured in SU (Suck Units). Generally used in terms of people who are new to roleplaying, and thusly considered newbs or noobs.

If you suck, then you just suck. But if someone has to assign you a level of suckation, then you suck bad. For every level of suckation (Going from 1SU to 10SU, you have to multiply what it takes to suck by itself that number of times.)

Suckation Rankings:

*1SU - Frequently mispelled words. Poor punctuation. Short, nondescript posts. Occasional use of shorthand.(U R KOOL, for example.)

*2SU - Piss poor spelling. Almost non-existant punctuation. Horrid posts. Even more shorthand.

*3SU - Spelling like a dead cat. Punctuation - What's that? Posts look like this: 'beems kill u.' Shorthand rules.

*4SU - Anyone pulling PowerGame **** automatically moves directly to Suckation level 4. RolePlay is called RolePlay only because of the In Character Status. Kill me.

*5SU - Um, huh? Watching this person post is like nails on a chalkboard. PowerGaming prevails, along with excessive 'Im gunna suicide un less n e one cares' or other pity-party like quotes.

*6SU
- Solo RP's (If they can be called that) spam the chat. Each post is short. Each post sucks. Each post makes anyone with a brain want to clean out their ears with a Roto-Rooter.

*7SU - Just seeing the offenders name is enough to make your hair stand on end. You wish you were blind.

*8SU - The person is forced to claim retardation to fend off insults.

*9SU - To be determined.

*10SU - One who is known to do make the same newbish moves and actions outside of the game as inside it.

Many of these definitions modified from the original list to make them more universally applicable.
 
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Alright guys, I apologize for being apart of hijacking this part of the thread. Wasn't my intention but it happened and I will get it back on track...

Why Matt Schaub does NOT give the Texans the best chance to win in 2014?

IMO, Matt Schaub is incapable of making quick, rational decisions. Correct me if I am wrong, but O'Brien's offense is a quick, hurry up offense that needs fast, quick decisions at the line. Who is the Mike, what is the blitz, so on a so forth.

Matt Schaub, for 8 years, has show is inability to run a successful 2 minute offense, to the point Kubiak would rather sit on the ball than have Schaub make a mistake. Is that more Kubiak being scared, or him not trusting his QB in pressure situations?

O'Brien's offense, for the most part, is a 2 minute drill for the entire game. So a rational theory would be if Matt Schaub can't even execute a successful 2 minute drill, what makes you think he could do it for 60 min?

Now people can quote experts and former players and such, but I have, as may other fans have, watched Matt Schaub for 8 years. Every snap, every throw, every mistake, for 8 years. Do you really think those experts, put pedigree aside, have truly watch as much of Matt Schaub as Houston Texan fans? I would venture to say no. Many of those experts are basing that Houston starts a rookie QB, not named Andrew Luck, RG3 or Russell Wilson, or goes with Keenum or Yates, being that Matt Schaub is a 10 year Vet, of course they will say he gives them the best chance. However it isn't because Schaub is a good QB, it's because there are no other option on the table for the Texans, or the options that are available are worse than Schaub...

I have seen enough of Bill O'Brien's offense to have a very good feeling in saying, based on what I have seen for 8 years, Matt Schaub cannot run his offense efficiently to win games.

Does that make me or anybody else an expert? Well what is your definition of expert. We all have watched Matt Schaub for 8 years, but we never played in the NFL, so why wouldn't a fan know more about Matt Schaub than someone who has seen clips and highlights here and there?
 
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