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Mario Hurt - Out for Season
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TheMatrix31
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dream_team
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It's seems to be official... Mario out for the season. More and more outlets are starting to report it.
It's a shame, Mario was on pace for a career season... as well as this defense.
This injury will answer alot of the debates that go on in this forum. Is Mario worth the big money? Should Mario go back to DE and have Brooks Reed play OLB? Is Brooks Reed a better OLB than Mario?
From my view, Reed hasn't been too impressive. He's fast, but gets pushed out of the play too easily. I think he needed more time to learn to become an every down starter. He's going to need to learn fast now and step up!
It's a shame, Mario was on pace for a career season... as well as this defense.
This injury will answer alot of the debates that go on in this forum. Is Mario worth the big money? Should Mario go back to DE and have Brooks Reed play OLB? Is Brooks Reed a better OLB than Mario?
From my view, Reed hasn't been too impressive. He's fast, but gets pushed out of the play too easily. I think he needed more time to learn to become an every down starter. He's going to need to learn fast now and step up!
TheMatrix31
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Andre Johnson being out for 3 games is more important than Kenny Britt being out for the rest of the year.
I don't give a ****.
I don't give a ****.
TexCanada
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From the brief view that I've had of Reed so far, I thought he was doing exactly what Mario was doing too much of a couple years ago, just trying to get to the QB with a speed-to-the-outside rush. It seemed like Reed was ending up 2 or 3 yards past the QB, as the Tackle just used his speed against him and guided him well into the backfield.
I have high hopes for Reed, but I am worried that he just isn't quite ready yet. My thoughts don't matter now though as he is the next man up.
Maddict5
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looked to me like he was the one that f'ed up on the punt block yesterday. for some reason he blocked inside on some1 elses guy eventhough barber was pointing for him to take one of the two outside guys. 1 of those 2 got round barber and got a hand in
Thanks Dale, this is what I was saying.
The $$$$ could be better spent. IMHO
Of course I knew all of the MW nut huggers would come out in full force. But it made for an interesting conversation.
You want Jordy Nelson at WR2, How about NT Paul Soliai or CB Carlos Rodgers? If you franchise MW you could probably trade him for a 1st and a 3rd and sign atleast 2 if not all 3 of those guys in FA and upgrade the team.
So say you had 2 1st, 2 3rds Jordy Nelson and Carlos Rodgers. Would the team be better? We're about to find out what this team will be without MW. I think some are going to be suprised.
BTW, In FA the Texans are going to have to choose between keeping AF or MW. Which way would you go? Give me AF.
VTexan
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http://nfltraderumors.co/2012-nfl-free-agents/
lots of good pro-bowl WR's in that list.
I could see a sign and trade happening for Mario. Now that he is done for the year, I can't see us paying him more than 10 mil a year. If he accepts that? sure, I'd love to have him back. But I'm not sure I would franchise him (as I would foster).
lots of good pro-bowl WR's in that list.
I could see a sign and trade happening for Mario. Now that he is done for the year, I can't see us paying him more than 10 mil a year. If he accepts that? sure, I'd love to have him back. But I'm not sure I would franchise him (as I would foster).
Carr Bombed
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LOL,
I love Andre, but that's just not true at all. What a complete homer statement.
b0ng
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Are we applying the same thought process to Andre?
TheMatrix31
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LOL,
I love Andre, but that's just not true at all. What a complete homer statement.
Why isn't it true? Andre is a Top 10 NFL player and the best wide receiver in the game. Kenny Britt is the #1 receiver on a Titans team that is generally worthless and has been predicated on Chris Johnson for the last couple of years. The only reason Kenny Britt was worth even the slightest of damns early this year was because Matt Hasselbeck is a decent quarterback.
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If I have to be completely honest....yep, we are. Andre Johnson is also developing a injury prone label. Especially with his lower body, he's always getting leg injuries. With Mario it's usually his upper body.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Can't really debate the point then.
I'm thinking that Mario gets franchised or gets re-signed anyway by the Texans. Bob has shown that he likes 1st round picks who produce and I think Mario showed in the 5 games that he played that he can work in a 3-4 defense. I mean ****, they franchised Dunta Robinson and I'm sure a lot more people thought he wasn't worth that kind of money for 1 year. I think they are going to do that whether it's the right move or not.
I'm not sure if there are too many coaches who would say no to having a guy like Williams on the team (who knows this is rampant speculation at this point) if Kubiak gets the axe after the season. Who really knows. I guess it does hinge on how Brooks Reed does trying to fill that role.
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LMAO, it's not true....because it simply ISN'T remotely true. Through 3 games Kenny Britt had 289 receiving yards and 3 TDs....that about a 100 yards and a score a game. With only 7 starts last year he had 775 yards and 9 TDs.
A lot of Titan fans now feel he's their best player on their team...yes even over Chris Johnson who's completely inconsistent. Sorry but saying the Texans missing Andre Johnson for 3 games is a bigger blow than the Titans missing Kenny Britt for the entire year is a completely homer thing to say and it simply isn't true. If everything the Texans are saying is true (which I have absolutely 0 confidence in, but for this argument let's say they're correct) Andre will only miss a couple of more games and then he'll be back on the field again......Kenny Britt ain't walking through that door until next season.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Probably true but only because we've made no effort to improve the depth behind him. If there was one other quality WR in the group it would be something you deal with a move on. Instead it's liable to be 3 losses.
That's on Gary right there. He'll get no argument from me about that.
TheMatrix31
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Where's all the great options behind Kenny Britt? They have faired no better with their WR depth than we have. In fact they have been worse. Their leading receiver yesterday only had 69 yards (Their leading receiver in the previous game only had 62 yards and that was even with a 57 yard reception) and since Britt went out Matt Hasslebeck has completed less than 60% of his passes and hasn't thrown for more than 262 yards... Schaub threw for 416 yards yesterday and that's WITH 7 batted passes.
I think we franchise Mario, but won't get a 1st for him, much less a 1st & a 3rd, two years from playing DE... half a year at that. Mario is Mario & teams know what they can get from him, but it would have to be someone desperate for a DE to give Mario the money that's being talked about, plus give up a 1st & a 3rd.
I just don't see it..... we'll franchise him & screw our cap situation. Hopefully Mario wants to be a Texan, & Rick Smith can talk him into a multi-year deal now. Reasonable for his production over the last three years, injuries & all.
Then pull the rug from under him & trade him.
It's just business.
Where exactly is a foot, or a groin? & what part of the body does a "sports hernia" usually affect?
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Yep, you're right...Mario is just banged up everywhere.
It's a miracle he hasn't missed significant time a lot sooner. Look on the bright side though...the man just became much MUCH more affordable to re-sign.
houstonspartan
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I think it's time we take a hard look at our strength and conditioning staff. Something is not right.
TexCanada
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Yup, this sucks. We are now looking at a season without Mario, Casey, and likely a less then 100% Andre. Add that to Butler's injury and we are looking incredibly thin at all positions on this team. Hopefully Ward and Tate aren't out too much longer.
TheMatrix31
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100% agreed on this. Been saying it for a while.
Isn't that comment made every year whenever an injury occurs? With no substantiation whatsoever?
I know this is going to be a major shock to everyone, but the Texans' injury situation is no different than any other team.
kiwitexansfan
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I believe that could be the WORST thing you could do.
If you sign him to a new contract and then trade him you get all his signing bonus come onto the cap at once and we would be in cap HELL.
Confirmation I have this right?
mattieuk
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Damnmit.
I went away to the lake this weekend for Thanksgiving - and came back into civilization to find out Al Davis had died, the footballing gods had given Oakland the win, and that Mario is done for the year. Outside of still being top of the AFC South there's very little consolation.
I'm staying inside a little bit more.
I went away to the lake this weekend for Thanksgiving - and came back into civilization to find out Al Davis had died, the footballing gods had given Oakland the win, and that Mario is done for the year. Outside of still being top of the AFC South there's very little consolation.
I'm staying inside a little bit more.
Who would not want Mario on their team in some way? We bag on him alot on here for some reason but every opposing team's message boards and fans think of him as a shoe-in All Pro and just a dominant force, and that's the way the media thinks of him as well.
dalemurphy
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Names of players that would have a bigger impact on the Texans' season this year:
Andre Johnson
Duane Brown
Eric Winston
Chris Myers
Matt Schaub
Antonio Smith
Brian Cushing
Johnathan Joseph
Arian Foster
Connor Barwin
others that may have a bigger impact:
James Casey
Wade Smith
J.J. Watt
Demeco Ryans
The list is not a list of "better" players but it takes into account the importance of the position, who the backup is, etc... I'm not a huge Eric Winston fan, but if he gets injured, the ramifications of D. Newton starting at RT would be much greater than missing out on Mario's production.
Barwin may not be a better pass rusher (yet), but his skill set and ability to drop into coverage and speed rush is an essential part of the defense, IMO.
If you notice, I don't include other very good and valuable people on the list: Owen Daniels, Ben Tate, Glover Quin, Daniel Manning... because I think the Texans can adapt reasonably well to those losses unless they are compounded by others at the same position.
dalemurphy
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How many consecutive probowls did safety Roy Williams go to? 5 or 6? How many players would argue that Michael Vick is a better QB than Drew Brees? Popularity doesn't make something true.
That being said, since we have paid for Mario this year, I certainly regret the injury and wish he could be on the field for us. Since it is way too late to wipe out the cap hit and replace him (this year) with three very good players in free agency, I wish he could be on the field. We're better with him than without him.
JVL713
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Why stop there? Sure there is an equipment manager who would hurt us more to lose. David Anderson should ave made your list. You do you realize that you are basically a joke now right? Any good thought you have is lost due to your idiotic, blind Mario hate. People throw the word hater around alot, but you are. Did he steal your lunch money? At least other people make well thought out intellectual arguments for or against him.
Hervoyel
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Their entire offense isn't based on having Kenny Britt, at least not yet. Might be in a few years if he continues to pan out the way he's started. Right now they're about defense and running the football. Our offense apparently falls apart without Andre Johnson on the field.
Matt's 417 yards doesn't inspire much confidence in me since we only managed two touchdowns in EIGHT FIRST HALF POSSESSIONS.
Seven more chances in the second half netted us exactly 6 points. The stats are nice but the "W" wasn't to be had. 400 yards passing is meaningless when your defense gives you that many chances and you blow most of them.
Not to argue your point, but man did he have a bad game or what?
He was getting absolutely bullied. I know they all were, but I didn't ever expect to see Winston thrown back like that, so consistently, in the run game.
The run game...
dalemurphy
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Why is that list crazy? Can't you disagree with it and understand the logic? The NFL isn't Madden football. A lot of variables go into the loss of a player. Of those 10 players I listed, I can't believe anyone would be considered unreasonable with the exception of Connor Barwin. What am I missing?
dalemurphy
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The line was brutal! Winston, Smith, and Myers all had particularly poor games, I thought. I'm not sure why. That being said, it never occurred to me to let Newton play and see if he could do any better.
dalemurphy
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Despite it being Matt's best fantasy performance of the year, he looked pretty bad. I wish I knew how much of it was related to poor route running by Jacoby. I also wish I knew what was going on with those 7 pass deflections. Good grief!
You are right. We have to have AJ in there unless/until we get a legitimate deep threat to back him up. Jacoby just isn't the guy.
Did you watch yesterday? The defense played ok, but they didn't look the same once Mario went out. I love smith, but he was damn near invisible when Oakland could focus on him. Mario is one of the corner stones on our team, I don't any logical person could argue that. Schaub, AJ, Dwayne Brown, J-Jo, then Mario. That's how it goes.
A Schaub injury would hurt this team most - other than that I give you AJ and Joseph, most of all because of the lack of talent at their position. Duane Brown is close since Butler is hurt. But other than that he was our most important player on the team - he was a beast all season, our pass rusher will be missing more than a beat without him. And that means:
- more work for the DBs, so weaker DB play
- hard time in run defense, since no other OLB is even close to Marios level in this department, and the team will have to help out for passing plays
We might still make the playoffs, sure - the Titans are the only real threat. But no way are we going anywhere in the playoffs.
This injury sucks!
dalemurphy
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It does suck. Still, I'm hopeful that the defense can still play well without him. We will see.
welsh texan
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I'd actually say there's a case to argue that Mario runs AJ pretty close in terms of the effect of him being out. All I've focussed on the last few weeks is Mario's effect on the rest of the D.
When you see the likes of Barwin, Watt, Smith all getting great pressure, Ryans & Cushing free to roam in the centre, hell, even Cody has been getting pressure!
Then you look at the DB's, you think JJo gets away with his gambler mentality time and again if the QB isn't too concerned about the pain thats coming his way the whole time? Let alone the #2 CB spot.
I'm scared right now. Real scared.
Andre has a similar effect on the O but I'd say it isn't quite the same, Arian was 'shut down' according to the announcers yesterday yet still got ~80 yards on the ground AND went off in the passing game. Thats on a day when the O-line didn't click!
When you see the likes of Barwin, Watt, Smith all getting great pressure, Ryans & Cushing free to roam in the centre, hell, even Cody has been getting pressure!
Then you look at the DB's, you think JJo gets away with his gambler mentality time and again if the QB isn't too concerned about the pain thats coming his way the whole time? Let alone the #2 CB spot.
I'm scared right now. Real scared.
Andre has a similar effect on the O but I'd say it isn't quite the same, Arian was 'shut down' according to the announcers yesterday yet still got ~80 yards on the ground AND went off in the passing game. Thats on a day when the O-line didn't click!
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The Tenn titans were ran that way with Fisher...he's not there anymore. Kenny Britt was the Titans best player on the team this year and with Matt Hasselbeck they were starting to sling the ball around. Believe it or not, but Hasselbeck was actually off to the best start in his entire career and was on pace to set new career highs in just about every statistical category. I don't know if anybody has paid any attention to Britt since about the middle of last season, but he has become a force and is one hell of a up and coming receiver...he just can't stay healthy. He is their best offensive weapon though.
Sorry, but nobody is going to convince me that losing Andre Johnson for 3 games is worse than losing Kenny Britt for the entire season, because it simply isn't true. The Titans lack even more depth at receiver than we do without him...and Chris Johnson has been a big steaming pile this season. At least with Britt, they had someone to pull defenders out of the box for Johnson. That injury to Britt was devastating to them and most likely mortally wounded their team's chances at success this year.
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Oh god, not this stuff again. Mario Williams is a great player, but he isn't and hasn't been the be all/end all of our defensive pressure this season (if this was year's past I'd agree with you) and he wasn't the only reason why other players were producing. Believe it or not...even when he went out of the game we were still able to pressure Jason Campbell. Andre Johnson is hands down more important to this team than Mario Williams and if He went out for the season you might as well stick a fork in it. We can survive him missing a few games, if he goes on I.R... we're done.
badboy
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Trying to keep up with thread that has gotten away from injury status. Links that I have not seen posted. Other similar but all qouting McClain's report from hours ago. Nothing more recent.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/228311/20111010/mario-williams-injury-out-for-the-season.htm
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/228311/20111010/mario-williams-injury-out-for-the-season.htm
