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A&M has several defensive starters who out for various reason, and they went plain jane defense for the first two games. They have yet to even dial up a blitz. SHSU used every trick in the book to make a game of it, including tons of misdirection and even a fake punt.
The defense didn't look at that great, and there are some concerns, but they'll be going up against Bama's offense which has a ton of question marks as well.
 
He's gone too far this time.

COLLEGE STATION- This past Saturday during Texas A&M’s big win, former Heisman Trophy winner and current starting quarterback Johnny Manziel scored a touchdown and proceeded to celebrate by killing one of the players on the opposing team.

The touchdown put Texas A&M up 37 points with :16 seconds left on the clock, and the opposing team’s player was pronounced dead on the field.

“I took him out immediately. We do not stand for unnecessary penalties like that here at Texas A&M,” head coach Kevin Sumlin said. “I know there was only :16 seconds left on the clock, but if he would’ve done that in the 1st quarter, I would’ve taken him out then too… at least until the offense took the field again. I mean, come on, he’s Johnny Football!”

After his 6th rushing touchdown of the day, Manziel began to celebrate. He pulled a Sharpie out of his sock, signed the football, accepted what appeared to be $400 cash from an unidentified man on the sidelines, and proceeded to punt the ball into the stands. A teammate then handed Manziel one of his famous sparkler cigars. Simultaneously, another teammate placed a smoking jacket over his shoulder pads. Manziel lit the cigar, took three puffs, and put it out on one of the opposing players. That opposing player caught fire immediately and began running around the field. Although, that player wasn’t the one who died. He is currently in the hospital recovering from third degree burns and humiliation.

After lighting the one player on fire, Manziel continued his antics by running to the coach’s wives section of the stands and making out with Mrs. Sumlin.

http://www.korkedbats.com/2013/09/0...s-touchdown-by-killing-opposing-teams-player/
 
For those of you who aren't sick of all the coverage Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel has been receiving, has CBS Sports got the gimmick for you.

You know who you are, Aggies fans and folks who just can't keep their eyes off a train wreck (or a heckuva good college football player). Apparently the folks at CBS think there are enough of you out there (and they're probably right) that they will have an extra camera on hand during Saturday's much-anticipated Texas A&M/Alabama showdown to follow Manziel's every move.

And they're calling it "Johnny Cam." For real.

"No matter where he is and no matter what part of the game it is, we will have a shot of it," Craig Silver, coordinating producer of college football for CBS Sports, told Sports Illustrated. "If he is anywhere in sight of that camera, we will catch it."

As hideous as it might sound, it's actually not a bad idea (except for the name -- that really is hideous). But you never know what Johnny Football is going to do at any given moment, so the folks at CBS might as well be ready.

Still, let's try not to encourage them too much. After all, you never know what Manziel is going to do at any given moment off the field too -- and we certainly don't want "Johnny Cam" up and running 24/7.

Or do we?
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sport...camera-20130909,0,2803152.story#axzz2ePnsH57e
 
Stop your conspiracy theories...This is typical coverage for a returning Heisman winner...There's always a camera on them in these situations.

Leinart got the ridiculous oversaturated coverage when he came back after winning it...If i remember correctly that's when the pictures surfaced that had him doing keg stands & sitting in hot tubs with the ladies....which brought questions about his focus to NFL scouts.

Tebow got the same amount of coverage when he came back...do i even have to go there about his coverage?...the love affair with Urban Meyer...the preaching he does in the phillipines....the crying after he lost to Alabama in the SEC championship game?

Sam Bradford would've gotten it had he not gotten hurt...thereby putting him out of sight out of mind for many people.

The only reason why you guys think the media is out to get Johnny boy is b/c unlike the other 3 before him, noone really likes Manziel...hard to like a guy who acts like a jerk. He's got everyone to the point where they're just waiting for his next big "immature" act... & why shouldn't they wait? he hasn't let them down thus far.
 
My wife tried to get her friend who runs a custom print shop to make her a Manziel shirt that said "Johnny Football is MONEY" but the lady declined because she thought johnny football was copyrighted but said she would come up with something else instead.
 
My wife tried to get her friend who runs a custom print shop to make her a Manziel shirt that said "Johnny Football is MONEY" but the lady declined because she thought johnny football was copyrighted but said she would come up with something else instead.

Gotten lots of requests for Johnny Manziel or Johnny Football t-shirts to be printed. I always decline because I am licensed for Texas A&M and don't want to put it in jeopardy. However, the printer usually won't get into trouble for making unlicensed items unless they themselves are trying to sell them. But if whoever does sell them gets in the crosshairs, they can and will lose all of their inventory and may have to pay restitution depending on how much was sold.
 
The only reason why you guys think the media is out to get Johnny boy is b/c unlike the other 3 before him, noone really likes Manziel...hard to like a guy who acts like a jerk. He's got everyone to the point where they're just waiting for his next big "immature" act... & why shouldn't they wait? he hasn't let them down thus far.

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Gotten lots of requests for Johnny Manziel or Johnny Football t-shirts to be printed. I always decline because I am licensed for Texas A&M and don't want to put it in jeopardy. However, the printer usually won't get into trouble for making unlicensed items unless they themselves are trying to sell them. But if whoever does sell them gets in the crosshairs, they can and will lose all of their inventory and may have to pay restitution depending on how much was sold.



her friend is licensed as well so thats probably why she declined
 
how good does one have to be to break multiple sec records ?

Breaking records in a college conference...even if it is the best conference, is no more of an indicator of how good you really are than winning the Heisman is imo...It just means you put up the best stats and nothing more. Hell, we may see Aaron Murray become the all-time leader in TD passes in the SEC this year over guys like Weurfel & Manning. Will anyone remember him when thinking of great SEC qb's though? Likely not b/c his talent doesn't match up with his career...unless of course he goes on to do big things in the NFL.........which is unlikely.

Apart from that, it depends on your criteria for being "good"..

I base mine off how your talent translates to the next level. & as i watch him, i don't think it translates very well; basically for alot of the same reasons i didn't see VY's translating.

Don't get me wrong, he obviously can play on the college level..I just don't think he's nearly as good as his stats may indicate & his fan boys champion him to be.
 
Breaking records in a college conference...even if it is the best conference, is no more of an indicator of how good you really are than winning the Heisman is imo...It just means you put up the best stats and nothing more. Hell, we may see Aaron Murray become the all-time leader in TD passes in the SEC this year over guys like Weurfel & Manning. Will anyone remember him when thinking of great SEC qb's though? Likely not b/c his talent doesn't match up with his career...unless of course he goes on to do big things in the NFL.........which is unlikely.

Apart from that, it depends on your criteria for being "good"..

I base mine off how your talent translates to the next level. & as i watch him, i don't think it translates very well; basically for alot of the same reasons i didn't see VY's translating.

Don't get me wrong, he obviously can play on the college level..I just don't think he's nearly as good as his stats may indicate & his fan boys champion him to be.




So when you says he's just not that good you are evaluating how he will be in the NFL? Because as a college QB he is pretty damn good and the stats while you think are meaningless are just a small part of the picture that he is pretty good currently.

While stats may be meaningless he is only the 5th player in history to throw for 3000 yards and rush for 1000 and he got to that point two games before any of the other 4 player in history. That does put you in short company for a hell of a year
 
Are we even allowed to talk about Manziel or does that break copy also? I can at least think what I want. This is still America. Right?
 
So when you says he's just not that good you are evaluating how he will be in the NFL? Because as a college QB he is pretty damn good and the stats while you think are meaningless are just a small part of the picture that he is pretty good currently.

While stats may be meaningless he is only the 5th player in history to throw for 3000 yards and rush for 1000 and he got to that point two games before any of the other 4 player in history. That does put you in short company for a hell of a year

Couldn't disagree with you more...the stats are the biggest part of the picture for him & always have been. Hell, the biggest reason he got into the heisman conversation in the 1st place was b/c he put up ridiculous stats against bad SEC teams.....that & b/c it was A&M's 1st year in the SEC.

he's good...but he's not nearly as good as people think prop him up to be...Dude had 1 good game against a great team.....There are examples of that every year all over the college landscape...Shall we take a stroll back to 2008 & watch Graham Harrell play the game of his life against Texas?
 
Couldn't disagree with you more...the stats are the biggest part of the picture for him & always have been. Hell, the biggest reason he got into the heisman conversation in the 1st place was b/c he put up ridiculous stats against bad SEC teams.....that & b/c it was A&M's 1st year in the SEC.

he's good...but he's not nearly as good as people think prop him up to be...Dude had 1 good game against a great team.....There are examples of that every year all over the college landscape...Shall we take a stroll back to 2008 & watch Graham Harrell play the game of his life against Texas?



He is good just not that good? Its getting more and more diluted. The kid isnt jesus but he is pretty damn good and I think he had more than a single good game but its clear you arent a fan
 
Hell, the biggest reason he got into the heisman conversation in the 1st place was b/c he put up ridiculous stats against bad SEC teams.....that & b/c it was A&M's 1st year in the SEC.

No... the biggest reason he got into the conversation was because people kept saying, "Whoa.... did you see that kid at A&M? What's his name? Johnny something. Johnny Football."
 
Couldn't disagree with you more...the stats are the biggest part of the picture for him & always have been. Hell, the biggest reason he got into the heisman conversation in the 1st place was b/c he put up ridiculous stats against bad SEC teams.....that & b/c it was A&M's 1st year in the SEC.

he's good...but he's not nearly as good as people think prop him up to be...Dude had 1 good game against a great team.....There are examples of that every year all over the college landscape...Shall we take a stroll back to 2008 & watch Graham Harrell play the game of his life against Texas?
So, your yardstick of a talented college player is your projection of how good they might be in the NFL?

:vincepalm:

The Heisman and multiple SEC records are just for show? One good game? Dude had several OUTRAGEOUS games against good competition and beat the national champs in their own house last year.

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So, your yardstick of a talented college player is your projection of how good they might be in the NFL?

:vincepalm:

The Heisman and multiple SEC records are just for show? One good game? Dude had several OUTRAGEOUS games against good competition and beat the national champs in their own house last year.

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Lol at good competition...lets look at this good competition.....

U mean that great competitive team arkansas? That same arkansas team that was sub .500 and still in the throws of petrino-gate and got beat by The ULM warhawks?.....no that couldnt be what you're talking about...

...or how about that great ole miss team that went 7-6 and got absolutely HAMMERED at home by a university of texas team who is supposedly in an inferior conference?...Nah, couldnt be them either...

Or maybe you're talking about that competitive Auburn team that was sub .500, winless in the SEC and managed to get their head coach fired just 2 years after he won a national championship? Still no?

We know what he did against Florida and LSU....and it wasnt that great..

That leaves the non-conference games which we already know, arent on par talent wise player for player...and the Alabama game....his 1 good game against top flight talent and competitive team.

Seems to me you guys are the 1's who got brainwashed by the media and the all the hype. instead of condeming the media u guys should be praising them for building up your boy in the 1st place. He benefited tremendously from the SEC hype as well as padding his stats against inferior non conference and SEC teams.

Think for yourselves people.
 
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Couldn't disagree with you more...the stats are the biggest part of the picture for him & always have been. Hell, the biggest reason he got into the heisman conversation in the 1st place was b/c he put up ridiculous stats against bad SEC teams.....that & b/c it was A&M's 1st year in the SEC.

he's good...but he's not nearly as good as people think prop him up to be...Dude had 1 good game against a great team.....There are examples of that every year all over the college landscape...Shall we take a stroll back to 2008 & watch Graham Harrell play the game of his life against Texas?

Does this critteria fit Schaub at the pro level?
 
Lol at good competition...lets look at this good competition.....

U mean that great competitive team arkansas? That same arkansas team that was sub .500 and still in the throws of petrino-gate and got beat by The ULM warhawks?.....no that couldnt be what you're talking about...

...or how about that great ole miss team that went 7-6 and got absolutely HAMMERED at home by a university of texas team who is supposedly in an inferior conference?...Nah, couldnt be them either...

Or maybe you're talking about that competitive Auburn team that was sub .500, winless in the SEC and managed to get their head coach fired just 2 years after he won a national championship? Still no?

We know what he did against Florida and LSU....and it wasnt that great..

That leaves the non-conference games which we already know, arent on par talent wise player for player...and the Alabama game....his 1 good game against top flight talent and competitive team.

Seems to me you guys are the 1's who got brainwashed by the media and the all the hype. instead of condeming the media u guys should be praising them for building up your boy in the 1st place. He benefited tremendously from the SEC hype as well as padding his stats against inferior non conference and SEC teams.

Think for yourselves people.

Don't forget that bowl game blowout against the co Big 12-2 champion
 
I was a "Johny Football" fan, even during the offseason, but when he's acted like a stuck-up, spoiled-kid (which is exactly what he is it turns out) since the season starter, I'll be tickled when Sabin goes into College Station Saturday and stomps his little smart alec azz.
5 years from now people probably have only memories of JF while Summlin is an
even more prominent coach than now, maybe in the NFL.
 
I was a "Johny Football" fan, even during the offseason, but when he's acted like a stuck-up, spoiled-kid (which is exactly what he is it turns out) since the season starter, I'll be tickled when Sabin goes into College Station Saturday and stomps his little smart alec azz.
5 years from now people probably have only memories of JF while Summlin is an
even more prominent coach than now, maybe in the NFL.

Guess you got disappointed then, Saban got out of college station by the skin of his teeth...

so basically you were a fair weather fan....

typical. Love riding the train until it hit a bump and you jump straight off...
 
Guess you got disappointed then, Saban got out of college station by the skin of his teeth...

so basically you were a fair weather fan....

typical. Love riding the train until it hit a bump and you jump straight off...

Hardly....Saban and Bama took over in the middle of the 2nd quarter and never looked back and were never really threatened after that. even if they dont convert that last TD, they likely still get 3 out of that drive and its a 2 score game again.

Now A&M winning in Bama last year.....thats winning by the skin of your teeth.
 
Hardly....Saban and Bama took over in the middle of the 2nd quarter and never looked back and were never really threatened after that. even if they dont convert that last TD, they likely still get 3 out of that drive and its a 2 score game again.

Now A&M winning in Bama last year.....thats winning by the skin of your teeth.

BS, all they controlled an inferior defense. They got the win, yeah for Bama but their defense sucks If A&M had half the defense they had last year, this game wouldn't have even been close...

You can't win any game when your offense puts up 42 and your defense gives up 42.
 
BS, all they controlled an inferior defense. They got the win, yeah for Bama but their defense sucks If A&M had half the defense they had last year, this game wouldn't have even been close...

You can't win any game when your offense puts up 42 and your defense gives up 42.

A&M has an elite offense. Games aren't decided on "ifs" by the way. Bama's defense does not suck.
 
BS, all they controlled an inferior defense. They got the win, yeah for Bama but their defense sucks If A&M had half the defense they had last year, this game wouldn't have even been close...

You can't win any game when your offense puts up 42 and your defense gives up 42.


If "if"was a 5th, we'd all be drunk..

When it mattered, Bama's defense got stops and TO's when they had to. They even put up points....and they did alot of that without their best cb for at least a half. sucky defenses dont take points away from offenses...they dont overcome losing one of their best players and they sure as hell dont put points on the board...

Spread offenses give everyone problems and its my belief that if they run into Oregon, they will lose b/c that offense is a well oiled machine and they've got speedto burn and playmakers all over the place.
 
A&M has an elite offense. Games aren't decided on "ifs" by the way. Bama's defense does not suck.

Which means Manziel had a great game despite having one ball bounce off his WR's hands, and throwing the fade to the pylon like a QB is supposed to do. The WR kinda gave up on the route.

Everybody can hate him all they want, but they've gotta admit watching Johnny Football play in worth the price of admission. He plays BIG in big games.

PS, the Ags defense is terrible. How many confrence championships has Sumlin won despite having 2 of the best QB's to ever play college football?
 
If "if"was a 5th, we'd all be drunk..

When it mattered, Bama's defense got stops and TO's when they had to. They even put up points....and they did alot of that without their best cb for at least a half. sucky defenses dont take points away from offenses...they dont overcome losing one of their best players and they sure as hell dont put points on the board...

Spread offenses give everyone problems and its my belief that if they run into Oregon, they will lose b/c that offense is a well oiled machine and they've got speedto burn and playmakers all over the place.

How many games has Oregon beaten elite SEC schools? I seem to remember Auburn winning a NC against that well oiled machine. LSU? Oregon can run the score up on the Tennessee and Ole Miss of the world. But they struggle against elite defenses.
 
How many games has Oregon beaten elite SEC schools? I seem to remember Auburn winning a NC against that well oiled machine. LSU? Oregon can run the score up on the Tennessee and Ole Miss of the world. But they struggle against elite defenses.


Lol...they lost by like 3 pts....Auburn's defense was also pretty good that year too..better than any "elite" SEC. school this year.....
 
I was proud of my Ag's yesterday.... awesome game... defense needs to get some maturity, but you don't get that without playing great teams. Season is far from over... like Johnny said in his post game interview.... we beat them last year and they went on to win the National Championship... :)
 
If a&m and bama both win out and there Are no other undefeated teams its possible

I know it's too early to btch about the BCS "system" & all the what ifs... but think about how screwed up it would be if Bama plays & loses to Auburn in the SEC Championship game, but Bama & A&M play for the National title.

Wouldn't that be screwed up? I know, most likely won't happen... just saying.
 
I know it's too early to btch about the BCS "system" & all the what ifs... but think about how screwed up it would be if Bama plays & loses to Auburn in the SEC Championship game, but Bama & A&M play for the National title.

Wouldn't that be screwed up? I know, most likely won't happen... just saying.

It's the last year of the bcs so I think it would be a fitting tribute
 
A&M's non conference schedule would still keep them out in the end imo..

No way. Going through the SEC west and beating LSU would give them enough of a boost to get ranked #2 should other teams lose a game.

Louisville plays no one on their schedule so if they drop one they are out. They might even be on the outside looking in if they go undefeated, depending on how things play out.

Ohio St played Cal and won but Cal is not good this year, having lost to Northwestern and they may not be bowl eligible.

Oregon may be the only other one loss team to make it in, but I still think the fact that A&M will have only lost to the #1 team by a touchdown will put them in the game.
 
No way. Going through the SEC west and beating LSU would give them enough of a boost to get ranked #2 should other teams lose a game.

Louisville plays no one on their schedule so if they drop one they are out. They might even be on the outside looking in if they go undefeated, depending on how things play out.

Ohio St played Cal and won but Cal is not good this year, having lost to Northwestern and they may not be bowl eligible.

Oregon may be the only other one loss team to make it in, but I still think the fact that A&M will have only lost to the #1 team by a touchdown will put them in the game.

I think you are underestimating the importance of a conference championship game. I could see a one loss Ohio State team that barely loses to Michigan in Ann Arbor but rebounds to beat them in the Big 10 Championship game making it over A&M. Oregon is another one that you mentioned. I also think Louiisville's Sugar Bowl performance would swing opinion in their favor if they go undefeated.

I'm not sure how the tiebreakers work in the SEC but perhaps A&M's best bet (obviously assuming they go undefeated the rest of the way themselves) may be if LSU beats Bama and have all of them finish with 1 division loss. Is there a chance A&M goes to the SEC Championship in a three way tie? Or do they need LSU and Bama to both lose to Georgia/S Carolina/Florida?
 
Lol...they lost by like 3 pts....Auburn's defense was also pretty good that year too..better than any "elite" SEC. school this year.....

Bottom line W or L is all that matters. How many pts were score? Seriously I am not checking the score.

W-L is all that matters = Texans 2-0

GO TEXANS
 
Didn't Auburn run a variation of the spread themselves when they won a title? That said, Auburn did have a salty D that year to go along with it, something Sumlin has never had.
 
Didn't Auburn run a variation of the spread themselves when they won a title? That said, Auburn did have a salty D that year to go along with it, something Sumlin has never had.

That should change, though. The defense is loaded with potential and while this year may be rough, recruiting prowess (let's be honest, the gap is closing hard between Texas and Texas A&M) is going to bring us up, while maybe not to elite SEC level, certainly enough for Sumlin's high octane offenses not having to worry about engaging in shootouts all the time.
 
Do you think they have a shot? Alabama would have to lose twice for A&M to represent the West in the SEC Championship game. That's not going to happen.

They were talking about this on 97.5 the other day. The point they were bringing up is the loser of the game still has a good shot if they win the rest of their schedule. As we know with college ball losing late in the year hurts more than losing early. You drop down in polls, etc., with little to no time to move back up.

So if A&M wins out the rest of the way and beats LSU and Alabama loses to LSU you could end up with a 3-way tie in the West. How it is decided from there who knows. None have amazing out of coference schedules. So LSU is the key for both at this point.

In any case, much props to Manziel. Hell of a game and gutsy effort. He is proving to be as good as advertised whether you like the guy or not. I still miss the days of the Wrecking Crew. That defense has issues to say the least but it will probably change in time. A game like that pulls recruits in comparison to what the Horns are doing right now.

Think it's time to hop on the fire Mack Brown train unless he pulls a miracle out of somewhere.
 
That should change, though. The defense is loaded with potential and while this year may be rough, recruiting prowess (let's be honest, the gap is closing hard between Texas and Texas A&M) is going to bring us up, while maybe not to elite SEC level, certainly enough for Sumlin's high octane offenses not having to worry about engaging in shootouts all the time.

& this is the only point i'm trying to make about A&M & Manziel.....Talent wise A&M is pretty damn good across the board...I'd say above average on the offensive side. Manziel certainly contributes to that but the collective talent combined with the offensive scheme was destined to put up numbers regardless....with or without Manziel.

We saw it with Art Briles...his system put up numbers in conference USA with Kolb & got that bum drafted in the 2nd round. He takes his system to a better conference with better talent..Hello RG3, the heisman & the #2 overall pick in the NFL.
 
& this is the only point i'm trying to make about A&M & Manziel.....Talent wise A&M is pretty damn good across the board...I'd say above average on the offensive side. Manziel certainly contributes to that but the collective talent combined with the offensive scheme was destined to put up numbers regardless....with or without Manziel.

We saw it with Art Briles...his system put up numbers in conference USA with Kolb & got that bum drafted in the 2nd round. He takes his system to a better conference with better talent..Hello RG3, the heisman & the #2 overall pick in the NFL.

But..... But..... that Manziel kid sucks. He's the problem at A&M.

I hate him...... (Sarcasm!!!!)
 
No way. Going through the SEC west and beating LSU would give them enough of a boost to get ranked #2 should other teams lose a game.

Louisville plays no one on their schedule so if they drop one they are out. They might even be on the outside looking in if they go undefeated, depending on how things play out.

Ohio St played Cal and won but Cal is not good this year, having lost to Northwestern and they may not be bowl eligible.

Oregon may be the only other one loss team to make it in, but I still think the fact that A&M will have only lost to the #1 team by a touchdown will put them in the game.

I think A&M's only hope is to appear in the SEC championship game..which is slim to none at this point & won't happen unless Bama loses to someone other than LSU that's not currently part of the picture. A&M didn't have anything in their favor at the start of the season except for the hope that they could beat the #1 team again...& since that has gone by the wayside, They really don't have anything else...

Let me explain how i see it..i doubt Bama's BCS score will drop that much if they lose to a top 3-5 team in LSU....especially if LSU goes on to lose to a top ten team in A&M 2 weeks later....... that Bama already beat.....at their home to boot. Plus, they still have the head to head tiebreaker over A&M to appear in the SEC championship game anyway.

Apart from that, A&M's BCS score won't be that high going in to that week against LSU 1: b/c they will not have played anyone except bama..which is where the noncoference will have hurt them (at least Bama & LSU challenged themselves 1 time by playing someone in 1 of the big 6) & 2: b/c there likely will be at least 1 other underfeated team that they'll need to justify jumping (Oregon, Louisville)

The LSU win won't factor much imo b/c Bama already beat A&M so every win they get from here on out only boosts Bama's BCS score....which is what this is going to come down to in the end anyway.

IMO, It might be the Auburn game....... which Bama has to go to Auburn for this year & its the last game for Bama. If Auburn somehow pulls the upset over bama that late...which isn't too far off for an intense rivalry game, & A&M & LSU handle business earlier that year, that might be enough to put them in the SEC championship game over Bama.......or you can just hope LSU blows out Bama in Tuscaloosa & A&M turns around & blows out LSU....
 
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