Kubiak wants immediate improvement

[DexmanC]

Will we have a defense? (You've said that.)

Yep. It's a valid question.

We're going to go 5-7 to start the season. (You've said that several times.)

I said we HAVE GONE 5-7 to start the LAST THREE SEASONS.
That's the truth. My question, is "Will 2010 be DIFFERENT?"
Again. It's a valid question.

We're repeating the same mistakes we made the past two years when we came out and got our asses handed to us by the Steelers and the Jets. (You've said that several times.)

Yep. We are on the same path as the earlier seasons. I've NOT
predicted how 2010 will be, only asked about how what we've seen indicates an improvement.

If you don't think Kubiak is teh Suxor, then you're an apologist. (You just said that.)

I used the phrase "SATURDAY NIGHT" before the word "Apologist" as
a reference to the crap we saw live from New Orleans. Again. A valid point.

Just because you don't THINK you're posts are in the exaggerated manner I posted, that doesn't mean they're not.

You're a Texan fan. Great. You think the team has made a mistake. Great. You want to complain about it. Great. Go ahead.

...and you don't like what I have to say about it. Fair enough.
My words here aren't personal to any member of this board. I'm
only expressing my observations, and appreciating the feedback.

 

[cuppacoffee]

I know that Kubiak believes that you "practice how you play" but personally, I don't. I think it's really kinda dumb to believe that. Everything I've ever experienced in my life says that's not the case.

But, let's say it is the case.

Let's say that Kubiak has totally lost this team. Let's say that this defense is so amazingly bad that it will never tackle another person again, evar. Let's say that we're going to go through an entire season of giving up 450 yards per game. And let's say that our offense is one dimensional and people will now know how to shut down Kubiak's offense.

OK.

Now what?

Do we sit around and whine about it? You want to swap stories about how bad our players are? Or maybe who we'd prefer to have coaching the team? Cowher, Gruden, Frank Bush? How about we all spend our Sundays out hunting or fishing or playing with our kids instead of watching this pathetic excuse for a team? How about we just go and tailgate and wear jersey's with Kubiak's name crossed out and stuff like that?

I just want our team to show up and perform like an NFL team, exhibition game or not.

"I just want to be happy. Is that too much to ask?"- The Pencil Neck..

 

[thunderkyss]

Exactly what did they do against the Saints that prepared them for the season? ( preparing to be mugged weekly? ).

Is missing tackles preparing for the season?.

I've watched our team go through so many drills, that do not look as though they would translate to the field. But they do it anyway.

I don't believe that what we were looking at, was what we thought it was. You know our team plays better than that.

This was still a preseason game, it's about practice, it's about getting your guys out there, and putting them in unplanned situations.

They don't always tackle in practice, and when they do, it's not like regular season tackling.

I also don't know if they are even looking at the "team" these first couple of games. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't focused on groups (DL, LB, DBs, etc..) if not the individuals.

This week, will be the first game that is treated like a regular game. This will probably be the first time they look at the Defense, and the Offense as units.

Is making Reggie (frigging) Bush look like the second coming of Jim Brown preparing for the season?..

Again, it's possible they came out preparing to put on a show for their home crowd, and we came out to practice.

Just showing up and going through the motions is not preparing for the season.

I honestly don't know how anyone can think Andre, Winston, Mario, Demeco, Pollard & Cushing are just going to show up and go through the motions. Or even allow the other guys to "just show up"

One minute, we're behind them 100%, giving them all we've got. The next minute we're spitting on them as we're stabbing them in the back. Do you know what the definition of a fair weather fan is?

Blood, sweat, & tears, everything I got behind the Texans 100%.

That play with Antonio Smith with his hands all over Reggie Bush 4 yards in the backfield, that's a tackle in the regular season, that's a loss. How do I know?

Because no matter what you chicken little's say, I've never seen Antonio Smith whiff on a tackle in the regular season. In practice, that's considered a tackle, even though you see the running back running 40 yards down the field afterwards. In practice, that is a tackle.

What did we learn?

What are we gonna fix?

Those are good questions. If we had anyone on this board with some real professional coaching experience, maybe they could tell us.

I don't know. But whipping the Cardinals in week one didn't mean anything. Looking like we did against the Saints, didn't mean anything. Regardless what we look like against the Cowboys, don't mean nothing.

If we lose to the Colts, that will tell us that you guys were right about this game. If we beat the Colts, that means our coaches got what they needed out of these preseason (practice) games to get our guys ready.

If the games mean absolutely nothing then why the hell play them. (well, actually, you could make a case that we didn't)

Nobody said these games were absolutely worthless.

Winning & losing means absolutely nothing.

I honestly don't think not finishing a tackle means anything.

Amobi penetrating through the line to be able to watch Reggie Bush run by without putting his hands on him, that means something to me. Kudos for penetrating, and getting off your blocks... boo for not tackling Reggie Bush.

Understand--I don't care that we lost a preseason game.

I care that we forfeited the game without showing up. Forfeit = quitters.

ahyayai.

 

[drs23]

So I guess the "fans" that don't get all riled up about how the team looked in a preseason loss are apologists? I mean, I could say that they played like ****, or that I don't accept failure or a million other cliche's but in the end, I just really don't care nearly as much as I do in the regular season. I didn't really give a **** that we beat down the Cardinals either, so I guess I'm consistent with my apathy.

I mean, apart from the gameplan not even being "win the game at all costs" like it is in the regular season, it's still up in the air why the defense looked so terrible. Disinterest? Out coached? Subpar technique? You can point to any of these points and say a million things to try to justify your opinion, but in the end, we still don't know why's. Getting all worked up in preseason and posting retarded stuff like "Oh man this team is soft and I hate the coach" is just doing a throwback to your own opinion at the end of the 2009 season for almost everybody here. The pessimists still think this team sucks, and the optimists are still thinking that we are on the right track and everybody is getting in these gay slapfights about it all over this board. For preseason I like looking at individual battles for players that 1) Weren't on the team last year or were injured and 2) Are in a tight position battle.

Mario isn't in a position battle. Neither is Okoye (even though a position battle is pretty warranted at this point). Nor is Cushing or Ryans or Antonio Smith. I'm not expecting the coaching staff to show us everything they've installed or implemented in TC that is new either, because that would just be stupid. I know it's nice to see our 1's crush people, but in the end, they aren't making the same kind of game checks in preseason as they are in the regular season and it doesn't surprise me in the least bit that the guys not fighting for a spot aren't playing like they are. This whole "Oh the 3rd game is the big one" is horseshit too. Again, our 1's might be out there for longer (Hopefully they just tell Andre to stay at home, and maybe Schaub too) but I'm not expecting to see blitz packages or jap plays on the offense.

Basically a lot of people on both sides of the fence are trying to read entirely too much into the preseason and the games that are played. I think your eyes should more be looking for players who look like they will make the 53 that you really didn't think had a shot (Like Troy Nolan, or at least for me it's Nolan), not how hard all the starters are going and what the scheme looks like.

Damn b0ng, that sounds just entirely too reasonable

 

[SteveDeberg]

Too early to hit the panic button. I dont enjoy watchign us get our heads handed to us in pre-season but its just that. We started off horrible last year for 3 weeks and plyed well after that. Alot can change between now and the start of the playoffs. I am not sweatign the COWGIRLS as I watched the Chargers minus their #1 wr hand the cowgirls 1st team their heads last week, only a few turnovers kept the girls in it.

 

[cuppacoffee]

I've watched our team go through so many drills, that do not look as though they would translate to the field. But they do it anyway.

I don't believe that what we were looking at, was what we thought it was. You know our team plays better than that.

This was still a preseason game, it's about practice, it's about getting your guys out there, and putting them in unplanned situations.

They don't always tackle in practice, and when they do, it's not like regular season tackling.

I also don't know if they are even looking at the "team" these first couple of games. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't focused on groups (DL, LB, DBs, etc..) if not the individuals.

This week, will be the first game that is treated like a regular game. This will probably be the first time they look at the Defense, and the Offense as units.



Again, it's possible they came out preparing to put on a show for their home crowd, and we came out to practice.

I honestly don't know how anyone can think Andre, Winston, Mario, Demeco, Pollard & Cushing are just going to show up and go through the motions. Or even allow the other guys to "just show up"

One minute, we're behind them 100%, giving them all we've got. The next minute we're spitting on them as we're stabbing them in the back. Do you know what the definition of a fair weather fan is?

Blood, sweat, & tears, everything I got behind the Texans 100%.

That play with Antonio Smith with his hands all over Reggie Bush 4 yards in the backfield, that's a tackle in the regular season, that's a loss. How do I know?

Because no matter what you chicken little's say, I've never seen Antonio Smith whiff on a tackle in the regular season. In practice, that's considered a tackle, even though you see the running back running 40 yards down the field afterwards. In practice, that is a tackle.

Those are good questions. If we had anyone on this board with some real professional coaching experience, maybe they could tell us.

I don't know. But whipping the Cardinals in week one didn't mean anything. Looking like we did against the Saints, didn't mean anything. Regardless what we look like against the Cowboys, don't mean nothing.

If we lose to the Colts, that will tell us that you guys were right about this game. If we beat the Colts, that means our coaches got what they needed out of these preseason (practice) games to get our guys ready.

Nobody said these games were absolutely worthless.

Winning & losing means absolutely nothing.

I honestly don't think not finishing a tackle means anything.

Amobi penetrating through the line to be able to watch Reggie Bush run by without putting his hands on him, that means something to me. Kudos for penetrating, and getting off your blocks... boo for not tackling Reggie Bush.


ahyayai


"One minute, we're behind them 100%, giving them all we've got. The next minute we're spitting on them as we're stabbing them in the back. Do you know what the definition of a fair weather fan is?".

You obviously have me confused with someone else.

I have never been behind them 100% if that means not expecting more from them.

Calling out sorry ass play is not "spitting on them or stabbing them in the back." How the world did you come to that conclusion?

"I honestly don't know how anyone can think Andre, Winston, Mario, Demeco, Pollard & Cushing are just going to show up and go through the motions. Or even allow the other guys to "just show up"

The next time Mario shows leadership will be the first time, the guy dogs it too often.

I am happy that you are proud of Antonio and Omobi wiffing on tackles.

If expecting more out of this bunch is being a fair weather fan, then pass me the umbrella. I refuse to applaud mediocrity.

edit: Would you accept/eat a krap sandwich from the deli if they told you the main meal would be better?

 

[thunderkyss]

If expecting more out of this bunch is being a fair weather fan, then pass me the umbrella. I refuse to applaud mediocrity.

Nobody is telling you to applaud (or even accept) mediocrity. We're just saying put it in perspective. That's practice. That was a practice game, an exhibition.

We came out like Apollo Creed, expecting to put on a friendly exhibition to "look" at our teams in game-like situations, and they came out like Rocky Balboa, thinking this was a heavy weight fight.

Gary wasn't happy with the way the team look. I'm not happy with the way the team looks. NObody was happy with the way the team looked.

But to start all the "here we go again" crap is ridiculous.

& don't be putting words in my mouth, I didn't say anything about being proud of anybody whiffing on tackles, I said, that's what a tackle looks like in practice, & that game was practice.

I've said it again & again, this team looked like this last year in the preseason. & while everyone wants to focus on the bad parts of those first three games, they totally ignore the good.

The majority of those games, when you're counting snaps... we dominated on the defensive side of the ball.

That's the #1 rushing team in the league, the #2 rushing team in the league & the #10 rushing team in the league.

We looked bad in the preseason. Again, the argument was that you are only seeing bits and pieces of what they are really doing.

vs the Jets, that's damn good against the run (minus 2 plays)

vs the Titans, damn good against the run (minus 2 plays)

vs the Jags, that's damn good against the run (minus 1 play)

& yes, it would have been nice had those two plays not happened. It would have been nice, if they were perfect. But they did, and we're not & they got Pollard, to make sure it wouldn't happen again.

Except in the preseason.

 

[HJam72]

Well, he just got it....because OD will be ready for game 1.

 

[silvrhand]

Nobody is telling you to applaud (or even accept) mediocrity. We're just saying put it in perspective. That's practice. That was a practice game, an exhibition.

vs the Jets, that's damn good against the run (minus 2 plays)

vs the Titans, damn good against the run (minus 2 plays)

vs the Jags, that's damn good against the run (minus 1 play)

... who cares about percentages, percentages don't win games.. points do, and that's 35 points... The worst thing about the saints was they didn't break big runs, they just shoved us all over the field for 6-8 yard chunks, and we again got 0 pass rush..

The main point is not that we lost, it was the way that we lost, we had no fire, no passion, and got it shoved down our throats like a porn star.. Not only that then Chase Daniels comes in and then starts throwing it on us like we are playing back in the Big-12.

Preseason or not that's not the way I expected the Texans to come out, that was the Texans of last year with out schedule this year we don't have time to putz around...

 

[DexmanC]

Nobody is telling you to applaud (or even accept) mediocrity. We're just saying put it in perspective. That's practice. That was a practice game, an exhibition.

We came out like Apollo Creed, expecting to put on a friendly exhibition to "look" at our teams in game-like situations, and they came out like Rocky Balboa, thinking this was a heavy weight fight.

Gary wasn't happy with the way the team look. I'm not happy with the way the team looks. NObody was happy with the way the team looked.

But to start all the "here we go again" crap is ridiculous.

& don't be putting words in my mouth, I didn't say anything about being proud of anybody whiffing on tackles, I said, that's what a tackle looks like in practice, & that game was practice.

I've said it again & again, this team looked like this last year in the preseason. & while everyone wants to focus on the bad parts of those first three games, they totally ignore the good.

The majority of those games, when you're counting snaps... we dominated on the defensive side of the ball.

That's the #1 rushing team in the league, the #2 rushing team in the league & the #10 rushing team in the league.

We looked bad in the preseason. Again, the argument was that you are only seeing bits and pieces of what they are really doing.

vs the Jets, that's damn good against the run (minus 2 plays)

vs the Titans, damn good against the run (minus 2 plays)

vs the Jags, that's damn good against the run (minus 1 play)

& yes, it would have been nice had those two plays not happened. It would have been nice, if they were perfect. But they did, and we're not & they got Pollard, to make sure it wouldn't happen again.

Except in the preseason.

Jet's Offensive Touchdowns: 3
Texans' Offensive Touchdowns: 0

Any questions?

 

[steelbtexan]

TK

Some posters look at the pattern of the Smithiak regime.

Other posters look at the progress of the Smithiak regime.

But 7-9,8-8,8-8,9-7 doesn't lie. Mediocrity is what it is and some people see the same preseason trends of past seasons. Tell me what you've seen this preseason that is any different than the last 4 preseasons?

 

[steelbtexan]

Jet's Offensive Touchdowns: 3
Texans' Offensive Touchdowns: 0

Any questions?

QFT

Dont let facts get in the way of some good old fashion battle red koolaid.

 

[Ole Miss Texan]

Jet's Offensive Touchdowns: 3
Texans' Offensive Touchdowns: 0

Any questions?

An ill informed reader may draw the conclusion that our offense is what killed us.

 

[silvrhand]

An ill informed reader may draw the conclusion that our offense is what killed us.

Well the Jets did kick the crap out of our offense too, so yah it was both a offensive and defensive failure last year against the Jets.

 

[thunderkyss]

... who cares about percentages, percentages don't win games.. points do, and that's 35 points... The worst thing about the saints was they didn't break big runs, they just shoved us all over the field for 6-8 yard chunks, and we again got 0 pass rush..

The main point is not that we lost, it was the way that we lost, we had no fire, no passion, and got it shoved down our throats like a porn star.. Not only that then Chase Daniels comes in and then starts throwing it on us like we are playing back in the Big-12.

Preseason or not that's not the way I expected the Texans to come out, that was the Texans of last year with out schedule this year we don't have time to putz around...

& so we go back to the percentages. You want to say we had no fire, I offer stops and tackles for losses to point out you are wrong. They came to play, the play-by-play shows it the stats show it the percentages show it.

We lost two of those three games. I give you evidence that it wasn't for lack of intensity. I contrast last preseason to this preseason. It's not what you think, looks can be deceiving.

After last years preseason (which looks very similar to this years) preseason we were six or seven plays from being a top five defense.

If it worked for us last season it will work for us this season. That's the way improvements work. Plus we'll have Pollard from game one.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

TK

Some posters look at the pattern of the Smithiak regime.

Other posters look at the progress of the Smithiak regime.

But 7-9,8-8,8-8,9-7 doesn't lie. Mediocrity is what it is and some people see the same preseason trends of past seasons. Tell me what you've seen this preseason that is any different than the last 4 preseasons?

First off, "mediocrity" is not really "medium" or "average". The word mediocrity implies something that is substandard and shoddy.

6-10 was bad but better than 2-14.

8-8 and 8-8 was average. Nothing special.

9-7 is a winning season and good enough to get into the playoffs.

You're right. Those records don't lie. They just don't say what you say the say.

And what I've seen this preseason is that our offense is going to be epic and that our defense is improved.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I just want our team to show up and perform like an NFL team, exhibition game or not.

"I just want to be happy. Is that too much to ask?"- The Pencil Neck..

And they DID show up like an NFL team in an exhibition game. They were playing hard and over pursuing and then not wrapping up their tackles.

We learned several things in that game. The coaches got some good tape and some good teaching points.

If you look at the teams that made the playoffs last year and total up their records, as a group, they were a little over 500 in the preseason. And the teams that didn't make the playoffs, were a little under 500 in the preseason. We're at 500. There's no need to fire the entire coaching staff over a loss.

 

[thunderkyss]

TK

Some posters look at the pattern of the Smithiak regime.

Other posters look at the progress of the Smithiak regime.

But 7-9,8-8,8-8,9-7 doesn't lie. Mediocrity is what it is and some people see the same preseason trends of past seasons. Tell me what you've seen this preseason that is any different than the last 4 preseasons?

Look at my posts again showing total carries and how they worked out for our defense. That's just the first three games after that horrible looking preseason, after those three games, the consensus is we were a very good defense. Six-seven plays takes us out of top five numbers. Four plays takes us out of shutting down the #1 & #2 rushing teams in the league.

I'm going to say it again, because for some reason it isn't getting through.

Four plays kept us from shutting down, shutting down the #1 & #2 rushing offenses in the league.

It's not that I see anything different. It's that I'm seeing them continue to focus on what's important & that is playing good football. I know it don't look like it. But it didn't look like it last year, and look what it got us.

A top 5 offense. The top passing offense. And a defense on the verge of being at the very top of the league. And we are very, very, very young.

The lions focus on winning preseason football games and as a result they never learn how to play good football, winning football.

 

[thunderkyss]

QFT

Dont let facts get in the way of some good old fashion battle red koolaid.

You mean other than the facts I'm providing?

Well the Jets did kick the crap out of our offense too, so yah it was both a offensive and defensive failure last year against the Jets.

& don't forget Schaub was gimpy because of a preseason injury suffered the week before.

Half the play book, gone.

 

[Joe Texan]

What happens in new Orleans stays in New orleans

 

[steelbtexan]

Sorry I'm a results oriented guy.

I really dont care about so called progress.

I do care about wins and losses, and seeing a team that shows up ready to play every week for 4 qtrs. I haven't seen much progress in those areas over the past 4 yrs.

 

[thunderkyss]

Sorry I'm a results oriented guy.

I really dont care about so called progress.

I do care about wins and losses, and seeing a team that shows up ready to play every week for 4 qtrs. I haven't seen much progress in those areas over the past 4 yrs.

Well it's a good thing you aren't using a preseason game as the basis of that progress.



Wait a minute....

Basically what you just said is, "I see what you are saying, that makes sense, but I'm still pissed we didn't get into the play-offs last year, and I'm tired of waiting."

& there aint nothing wrong with that.

 

[steelbtexan]

Look at my posts again showing total carries and how they worked out for our defense. That's just the first three games after that horrible looking preseason, after those three games, the consensus is we were a very good defense. Six-seven plays takes us out of top five numbers. Four plays takes us out of shutting down the #1 & #2 rushing teams in the league.

I'm going to say it again, because for some reason it isn't getting through.

Four plays kept us from shutting down, shutting down the #1 & #2 rushing offenses in the league.

It's not that I see anything different. It's that I'm seeing them continue to focus on what's important & that is playing good football. I know it don't look like it. But it didn't look like it last year, and look what it got us.

A top 5 offense. The top passing offense. And a defense on the verge of being at the very top of the league. And we are very, very, very young.

The lions focus on winning preseason football games and as a result they never learn how to play good football, winning football.

Ifs and buts

I focus on what should be important to all of the fans and the entire Texans org. W/L's

 

[steelbtexan]

Well it's a good thing you aren't using a preseason game as the basis of that progress.



Wait a minute....

Basically what you just said is, "I see what you are saying, that makes sense, but I'm still pissed we didn't get into the play-offs last year, and I'm tired of waiting."

& there aint nothing wrong with that.

Yep

That and the fact that I've lost faith in the Smithiak regime.

That still doesn't mean I wont be rooting on the Texans to win every Sunday. In spite of what I consider to be inept leadership.

 

[thunderkyss]

Ifs and buts

I focus on what should be important to all of the fans and the entire Texans org. W/L's

Ain't no ifs & butts about it.

We were the 13th ranked defense. 10th against the run.

We had the 4th ranked offense. 1st in passing.

There was a time, not too long ago that we were 30th in total offense, and 32nd in total defense.

IN 2009, we won more games than we lost.

Staying the course is the way to go, you'd have to be an ***** to think otherwise.

The wins will come. They are a by product of playing good football.

 

[thunderkyss]

Yep

That and the fact that I've lost faith in the Smithiak regime.

That still doesn't mean I wont be rooting on the Texans to win every Sunday. In spite of what I consider to be inept leadership.

Our team is improving in every which way possible. yards come first, just like it did for our offense, and then the points.

2010 is the second year of the Frank Bush/David Gibbs regime. It sucks that Kubiak didn't get them when he wanted, but he's got them now, & we are on track.

Think about it. #1 ranked offense. #1 ranked defense. When has that ever happened in the history of this league? That's where we are headed, that's right there on the horizon, that's what Kubiak is bringing.

 

[steelbtexan]

Our team is improving in every which way possible. yards come first, just like it did for our offense, and then the points.

2010 is the second year of the Frank Bush/David Gibbs regime. It sucks that Kubiak didn't get them when he wanted, but he's got them now, & we are on track.

Think about it. #1 ranked offense. #1 ranked defense. When has that ever happened in the history of this league? That's where we are headed, that's right there on the horizon, that's what Kubiak is bringing.

Hope your right

 

[DexmanC]

Our team is improving in every which way possible. yards come first, just like it did for our offense, and then the points.

2010 is the second year of the Frank Bush/David Gibbs regime. It sucks that Kubiak didn't get them when he wanted, but he's got them now, & we are on track.

Think about it. #1 ranked offense. #1 ranked defense. When has that ever happened in the history of this league? That's where we are headed, that's right there on the horizon, that's what Kubiak is bringing.

Dude is delusional. Gotta love TK. ((()))<----BattleRed Kool-Aid
................................... ...can't...put....it....down!

 

[houstonspartan]

Sorry I'm a results oriented guy.

I really dont care about so called progress.

I do care about wins and losses, and seeing a team that shows up ready to play every week for 4 qtrs. I haven't seen much progress in those areas over the past 4 yrs.

Yep. That's how I am. A buddy and myself have the same issues. He's Mr. "incremental improvement" guy. I'm Mr. "Ok, fine, but where are the results?" guy.

And, we're both season ticket holders, and he has been fine with how things are, and would probably be fine with giving Kubiak a 100-year contract.

I can respect and appreciate giving people time to get the job done or to implement a vision or strategy. Big picture change can sometimes take time. But at some point, you have to show me something. It's how the real world works.

 

[cuppacoffee]

And they DID show up like an NFL team in an exhibition game. They were playing hard and over pursuing and then not wrapping up their tackles.

We learned several things in that game. The coaches got some good tape and some good teaching points.

If you look at the teams that made the playoffs last year and total up their records, as a group, they were a little over 500 in the preseason. And the teams that didn't make the playoffs, were a little under 500 in the preseason. We're at 500. There's no need to fire the entire coaching staff over a loss.

Wasn't it an exibition game for NO too.

NO showed up, the Texans did not.

Spin it anyway you want. I know what I saw.

Yeah, we learned something, it just wasn't the same thing for both of us.

Where did I advocate firing anyone?

Research my posting history, the only person I ever wanted fired is obama.

 

[cuppacoffee]

Dude is delusional. Gotta love TK. ((()))<----BattleRed Kool-Aid
................................... ...can't...put....it....down!

I have warned TK several times about drinking the water in PA.

I really screws up the kool-aid.

 

[thunderkyss]

I can respect and appreciate giving people time to get the job done or to implement a vision or strategy. Big picture change can sometimes take time. But at some point, you have to show me something. It's how the real world works.

How much time is enough time?

I think four years is enough time.

If you give the coach the ability to do things his way from day one. That means he has the freedom to dump any player he wants, and pick up any player he wants.

We all know Kubiak has handcuffed to David Carr, & Charlie Casserly. I'm throwing out that first year.

I know it was there. I know it happened, and & I know most coaches don't get to throw out their first year.

But I am, and I did.

For me, this is year 4. I don't care what the W/L was for years 1, 2 or 3. I want to know if they are getting better at playing this game.

W/L means everything in year 4 (5 for Kubiak). He's shown us he can build an offense. I believe he can put together a defense. Now, he has to show me he can put together a team.

 

[thunderkyss]

I have warned TK several times about drinking the water in PA.

I really screws up the kool-aid.

One man's screwed up kool-aid is another man's MOJO.

 

[JB]

One man's screwed up kool-aid is another man's MOJO.

You been to P.I. also? I <3 MOJO!

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Yep

That and the fact that I've lost faith in the Smithiak regime.

That still doesn't mean I wont be rooting on the Texans to win every Sunday. In spite of what I consider to be inept leadership.

That's really all any of this is about. You're jumping at any opportunity that you can get to feel validated in your loss of faith.

Even though this team has improved every year under Kubiak, you've lost faith in him and so you're going to dog him at any opportunity you get... and because of this, you're blinded to anything that looks like the team might actually be good.

After we beat the Pats, I read someone in one of the comments on one of the blogs or something saying that was the worst possible thing the team could have done because by winning that game, the team was cursed with another year or two of the Kubiak regime. I'm not saying you wrote that, but I get the feeling that you'd agree with that. It doesn't matter that the offense and defense is improving, it doesn't matter that we've had our first ever winning season and should be elated because of that... no, none of that matters because it means that Kubiak isn't going to be fired.

That's just sad, man. I mean, you're in a position where you can't really enjoy your team's success. And, a 9-7 record is a success no matter how you want to spin it as mediocre. (And that's not just at you, SteelB, that's at most of the pink soapers.)

 

[Dwade]

That's just sad, man. I mean, you're in a position where you can't really enjoy your team's success. And, a 9-7 record is a success no matter how you want to spin it as mediocre. (And that's not just at you, SteelB, that's at most of the pink soapers.)

9-7 with no playoff is not successful in my eyes...I guess I have higher standards.

I'm spoiled by the Longhorns

 

[The Pencil Neck]

9-7 with no playoff is not successful in my eyes...I guess I have higher standards.

I'm spoiled by the Longhorns

9-7 is a winning record.

9-7 was good enough to get into the playoffs. We didn't make it in, but 2 9-7 teams made it in. Over the past few years, 2 9-7 teams usually make it in and an occasional 8-8 division winner makes it in.

We were not losers. We were not average. We were not mediocre.

I think a lot of posters on this board are spoiled. I'm not sure what they're spoiled by but a lot of posters seem to think that it's some sort of right to get into the playoffs and win Super Bowls. It's hard work.

Our goal is to become a perennial powerhouse that wins 10+ games every season and makes the playoffs every year and wins multiple Super Bowls. But if you're not going to be happy unless you get that, then you're doomed for letdown no matter who you root for. The teams that have been powerful over the past few years won't continue to be powerful in teh future. Just a few years ago, the Chiefs were a power house. The Rams and Raiders were great.

We'll get there. And in the future we'll be winners and losers and... That's life as a fan.

 

[Dwade]

9-7 is a winning record.

9-7 was good enough to get into the playoffs. We didn't make it in, but 2 9-7 teams made it in. Over the past few years, 2 9-7 teams usually make it in and an occasional 8-8 division winner makes it in.

We were not losers. We were not average. We were not mediocre.

I think a lot of posters on this board are spoiled. I'm not sure what they're spoiled by but a lot of posters seem to think that it's some sort of right to get into the playoffs and win Super Bowls. It's hard work.

Our goal is to become a perennial powerhouse that wins 10+ games every season and makes the playoffs every year and wins multiple Super Bowls. But if you're not going to be happy unless you get that, then you're doomed for letdown no matter who you root for. The teams that have been powerful over the past few years won't continue to be powerful in teh future. Just a few years ago, the Chiefs were a power house. The Rams and Raiders were great.

We'll get there. And in the future we'll be winners and losers and... That's life as a fan.

Yes 9-7 made the playoffs for 2 teams last year, but remember when the Patriots were 11-5 and missed the playoffs? 9-7 is not good enough most of the time, the Falcons were 9-7 and missed the playoffs in the NFC.

I'm too competitive to be satisfied with a mediocre season...and yes 9-7 is mediocre. So is 7-9 and 8-8.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Yes 9-7 made the playoffs for 2 teams last year, but remember when the Patriots were 11-5 and missed the playoffs? 9-7 is not good enough most of the time, the Falcons were 9-7 and missed the playoffs in the NFC.

I'm too competitive to be satisfied with a mediocre season...and yes 9-7 is mediocre. So is 7-9 and 8-8.

And the year before 3 teams sub 10-6 made it in. 2007, 2 teams. In 2006, 3 teams and a team made it in that was an 8-8 team that didn't even win its division. In 2005, you had to have 10 wins and even that didn't make it. In 2004, 3 teams under 10 made it and 2 of those were 8-8 teams that didn't win their division.

9-7 isn't mediocre unless you're redefining the word mediocre. We were not substandard. We were better than average. 9-7 is a winning record.

 

[thunderkyss]

9-7 with no playoff is not successful in my eyes...I guess I have higher standards.

I'm spoiled by the Longhorns

No you don't have higher standards. You just don't have as much history.

It's a freakin Milestone, just like Andre being 1 of only 2 players to have back to back 1500 yard seasons.

Or the first Texan named the Pro Bowl MVP in Matt Schaub.

The goal wasn't 9-7, that's where we ended up. It just also happened to be our first winning season.

 

[Carr Bombed]

9-7 is a winning record.

9-7 was good enough to get into the playoffs. We didn't make it in, but 2 9-7 teams made it in. Over the past few years, 2 9-7 teams usually make it in and an occasional 8-8 division winner makes it in.

We were not losers. We were not average. We were not mediocre.

I think a lot of posters on this board are spoiled. I'm not sure what they're spoiled by but a lot of posters seem to think that it's some sort of right to get into the playoffs and win Super Bowls. It's hard work.

I'm sorry, but just about all of this post is the definition of a "loser's mentality".

"our first winning season"......we should be happy with 9-7? I just about puked when we celebrated it. Teams that have lofty (playoff) goals (which is what we had last season) don't celebrate 9-7....and until we can get past that mentality, we are never going to win crap in this league. Immature teams who don't know what it really means to "win" in this league do crap like that. This team needs to grow the hell up....but it's Kubiak and "the kids". If this team is going to make the playoffs this season, we need to stop "the kid" crap. Men win in the NFL. (Grown *** men, not kids..so Kubiak needs to stop treating them as such) This is exactly why Bullock and the Titans had/have zero respect for us and the main reason why the Colts always feel that they can comeback and beat us no matter how far they're behind. Under Kubiak we've always been too wet behind the ears and "the little brothers" when the (big game/corner turning) pressure is on

P.S.

What the heck do Texan fans have to be spoiled about?.......that's the main reason why so many fans aren't pleased with the maturation of this team. It's hard to win in this league no doubt, but it isn't hard to build a playoff team atleast once in a decade. Just about every single team in this league has made the playoffs in the last decade (I believe the Bills and Lions are the only ones who haven't), yet we're still waiting to "turn the corner" But "WE'RE FREAKING WINNERS BOB!"

No excuses this year. Don't want to hear about injuries, don't want to hear about the schedule. Win or go home.....or in this case, win or Kubiak needs to find a new home....and by "winning", I'm not talking about a 9-7 year where you go 1-5 in your own division.

Sorry, but the "9-7 lockerroom hoorah" really irritated me.

 

[Dwade]

No you don't have higher standards. You just don't have as much history.

It's a freakin Milestone, just like Andre being 1 of only 2 players to have back to back 1500 yard seasons.

Or the first Texan named the Pro Bowl MVP in Matt Schaub.

The goal wasn't 9-7, that's where we ended up. It just also happened to be our first winning season.

I know the history, but 9-7 doesn't make me excited. Especially since we lost about 3 games we should have easily won. It just made me frusturated about what we could have accomplished last year.

@CarrBombed - I agree completely. I refuse to enjoy 9-7

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I'm sorry, but just about all of this post is the definition of a "loser's mentality".

"our first winning season"......we should be happy with 9-7? I just about puked when we celebrated it. Teams that have lofty (playoff) goals (which is what we had last season) don't celebrate 9-7....and until we can get past that mentality, we are never going to win crap in this league. Immature teams who don't know what it really means to "win" in this league do crap like that. This team needs to grow the hell up....but it's Kubiak and "the kids". If this team is going to make the playoffs this season, we need to stop "the kid" crap. Men win in the NFL. (Grown *** men, not kids..so Kubiak needs to stop treating them as such) This is exactly why Bullock and the Titans had/have zero respect for us and the main reason why the Colts always feel that they can comeback and beat us no matter how far they're behind.

P.S.

What the heck do Texan fans have to be spoiled about?.......that's the main reason why so many fans aren't pleased with the maturation of this team. It's hard to win in this league no doubt, but it isn't hard to build a playoff team atleast once in a decade. Just about every single team in this league has made the playoffs in the last decade (I believe the Bills and Lions are the only ones who haven't), yet we're still waiting to "turn the corner" But "WE'RE FREAKING WINNERS BOB!"

No excuses this year. Don't want to hear about injuries, don't want to hear about the schedule. Win or go home.....or in this case, win or Kubiak needs to find a new home....and by "winning", I'm not talking about a 9-7 year where you go 1-5 in your own division.

Sorry, but the "9-7 lockerroom hoorah" really irritated me.

OK. Tell that to the freaking Steelers. One year after winning the playoffs, they celebrated winning the last game of the season and didn't make it into the playoffs.

A winning season is something to be proud of. A winning season is a step in the right direction.

You didn't celebrate it. You had a chance to celebrate something special and you didn't take the opportunity. How sad is that? You were too wrapped up in your own little ball of disgust that you couldn't celebrate a victory.

If you consider a winning season losing, then you've got a problem.

And I don't know why Texans' fans are so spoiled but so many of you seem to think that winning in this league is easy and if you don't make the playoffs this year, you're entitled to making it next year. And if you don't get into the playoffs, all you have to do is fire the coach and the GM and whatever schmo gets hired will get us there.

I've got news, we're probably not winning the Super Bowl this year. We're probably not winning it for the next 10 years. Only 1 team wins it per year and there are only 10 teams that win it per decade and there's usually some duplication. Gary Kubiak is probably not going to win a Super Bowl. Sean Payton will probably not win another Super Bowl. Bill Belichik will probably not win another Super Bowl. Bill Belichik probably won't keep his job for another 6 years. Rex Ryan probably won't win the Super Bowl.

We don't have a "right" to win a Super Bowl. But we've got a good damned team. And a good damned chance. We've got a better chance than the Jaguars and at least as good a chance as the Titans. And that's a damned sight better chance than we had before Kubiak and it's probably a better chance than we'll have if we fire him.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I know the history, but 9-7 doesn't make me excited. Especially since we lost about 3 games we should have easily won. It just made me frusturated about what we could have accomplished last year.

@CarrBombed - I agree completely. I refuse to enjoy 9-7

Then you might as well give up being a fan.

 

[JB]

OK. Tell that to the freaking Steelers. One year after winning the playoffs, they celebrated winning the last game of the season and didn't make it into the playoffs.

A winning season is something to be proud of. A winning season is a step in the right direction.

You didn't celebrate it. You had a chance to celebrate something special and you didn't take the opportunity. How sad is that? You were too wrapped up in your own little ball of disgust that you couldn't celebrate a victory.

If you consider a winning season losing, then you've got a problem.

And I don't know why Texans' fans are so spoiled but so many of you seem to think that winning in this league is easy and if you don't make the playoffs this year, you're entitled to making it next year. And if you don't get into the playoffs, all you have to do is fire the coach and the GM and whatever schmo gets hired will get us there.

I've got news, we're probably not winning the Super Bowl this year. We're probably not winning it for the next 10 years. Only 1 team wins it per year and there are only 10 teams that win it per decade and there's usually some duplication. Gary Kubiak is probably not going to win a Super Bowl. Sean Payton will probably not win another Super Bowl. Bill Belichik will probably not win another Super Bowl. Bill Belichik probably won't keep his job for another 6 years. Rex Ryan probably won't win the Super Bowl.

We don't have a "right" to win a Super Bowl. But we've got a good damned team. And a good damned chance. We've got a better chance than the Jaguars and at least as good a chance as the Titans. And that's a damned sight better chance than we had before Kubiak and it's probably a better chance than we'll have if we fire him.

I wish I could rep you for this post. But, msr. If it was so easy, why hasn't Indy won 5 straight? What? They only won one? WTF?

 

[ReliantTexan]

I'm sorry, but just about all of this post is the definition of a "loser's mentality".

"our first winning season"......we should be happy with 9-7? I just about puked when we celebrated it. Teams that have lofty (playoff) goals (which is what we had last season) don't celebrate 9-7....and until we can get past that mentality, we are never going to win crap in this league. Immature teams who don't know what it really means to "win" in this league do crap like that. This team needs to grow the hell up....but it's Kubiak and "the kids". If this team is going to make the playoffs this season, we need to stop "the kid" crap. Men win in the NFL. (Grown *** men, not kids..so Kubiak needs to stop treating them as such) This is exactly why Bullock and the Titans had/have zero respect for us and the main reason why the Colts always feel that they can comeback and beat us no matter how far they're behind. Under Kubiak we've always been too wet behind the ears and "the little brothers" when the (big game/corner turning) pressure is on

P.S.

What the heck do Texan fans have to be spoiled about?.......that's the main reason why so many fans aren't pleased with the maturation of this team. It's hard to win in this league no doubt, but it isn't hard to build a playoff team atleast once in a decade. Just about every single team in this league has made the playoffs in the last decade (I believe the Bills and Lions are the only ones who haven't), yet we're still waiting to "turn the corner" But "WE'RE FREAKING WINNERS BOB!"

No excuses this year. Don't want to hear about injuries, don't want to hear about the schedule. Win or go home.....or in this case, win or Kubiak needs to find a new home....and by "winning", I'm not talking about a 9-7 year where you go 1-5 in your own division.

Sorry, but the "9-7 lockerroom hoorah" really irritated me.

I'm still not understanding the problem with the celebration right after the win. They just had a comeback win against a good team which kept them alive in the Wild card hunt,( which was not decided at that point.)

Now looking back I can understand not being satisfied with the season,but if Cincy would have taken care of business later that day, the Texans would have just had a playoff berth, and you wouldn't be making this argument.

 

[steelbtexan]

That's really all any of this is about. You're jumping at any opportunity that you can get to feel validated in your loss of faith.

Even though this team has improved every year under Kubiak, you've lost faith in him and so you're going to dog him at any opportunity you get... and because of this, you're blinded to anything that looks like the team might actually be good.

After we beat the Pats, I read someone in one of the comments on one of the blogs or something saying that was the worst possible thing the team could have done because by winning that game, the team was cursed with another year or two of the Kubiak regime. I'm not saying you wrote that, but I get the feeling that you'd agree with that. It doesn't matter that the offense and defense is improving, it doesn't matter that we've had our first ever winning season and should be elated because of that... no, none of that matters because it means that Kubiak isn't going to be fired.

That's just sad, man. I mean, you're in a position where you can't really enjoy your team's success. And, a 9-7 record is a success no matter how you want to spin it as mediocre. (And that's not just at you, SteelB, that's at most of the pink soapers.)

Great to know that you know how I feel. (WRONG)

I've never and will never root for the Texans to lose a game. I hope you understand that.

But also understand that with one of the easiest schedules in the league not making the playoffs made me question the way Texans management goes about their business.

So yes I was very disappointed in last yrs record. i hoped they won that game against the Pats,caught a break and made the playoffs. But unlike you and a bunch of other fans I wasn't celebrating a very medicore 9-7 record.

I get that the Texans aren't going to win the SB every yr. But making the playoffs once a decade shouldn't be an unrealistic expectation.

Fans that disagree with me are probably Cubs fans. LOL

 

[Carr Bombed]

OK. Tell that to the freaking Steelers. One year after winning the playoffs, they celebrated winning the last game of the season and didn't make it into the playoffs.

A winning season is something to be proud of. A winning season is a step in the right direction.

You didn't celebrate it. You had a chance to celebrate something special and you didn't take the opportunity. How sad is that? You were too wrapped up in your own little ball of disgust that you couldn't celebrate a victory.

If you consider a winning season losing, then you've got a problem.

And I don't know why Texans' fans are so spoiled but so many of you seem to think that winning in this league is easy and if you don't make the playoffs this year, you're entitled to making it next year. And if you don't get into the playoffs, all you have to do is fire the coach and the GM and whatever schmo gets hired will get us there.

I've got news, we're probably not winning the Super Bowl this year. We're probably not winning it for the next 10 years. Only 1 team wins it per year and there are only 10 teams that win it per decade and there's usually some duplication. Gary Kubiak is probably not going to win a Super Bowl. Sean Payton will probably not win another Super Bowl. Bill Belichick will probably not win another Super Bowl. Bill Belichik probably won't keep his job for another 6 years. Rex Ryan probably won't win the Super Bowl.

We don't have a "right" to win a Super Bowl. But we've got a good damned team. And a good damned chance. We've got a better chance than the Jaguars and at least as good a chance as the Titans. And that's a damned sight better chance than we had before Kubiak and it's probably a better chance than we'll have if we fire him.

LOL!

Again.......loser's mentality. I don't even know how to respond to this post. You just compared the Texans to the Steelers, Bill Belichick, and Rex Ryan.....who took his team to the AFC Championship in his very first season. Yep we have relevance to them with our great "We're freaking WINNERS!" speech.

I've got news, we're probably not winning the Super Bowl this year. We're probably not winning it for the next 10 years.

Seriously......when the hell did I EVER talk about winning the SB in a decade. I believe I was talking about atleast making the freaking playoffs. LOL, seriously there's a difference in not winning a SB in a decade and not even being in the tournament to compete for one.....apparently you don't care. As long as they eek out a win to put them a notch above mediocre, but still puts them on the couch come January.


Enjoy your memory of the "Texans 9-7 lalapolosa 2009" tour......I'll actually wait until this team does something of substance before I click my heals together and claim VICTORY. Seriously After a decade of watching this team, I think I'm atleast entitled to something like that...(and no...it doesn't make me a "spoiled fan" for expecting that)......since you know just about every NFL fan has experienced watching their team do something that we're still waiting for.


Look I'm not a negative Nancy which is something people try to paint me as.......believe it or not (Don't really care if you do) I actually still believe Kubiak can get it done, but I'm not going to sit here and listen to how FANTASTIC 9-7 was last season...because guess what, it wasn't great at all. That was considered a disappointment at the beginning at the start of last season, so just because Kubiak managed to save his ass after dropping 4 straight divisional games...my opinion doesn't change, because that's something that Kubiak always does. The guy coaches a team that starts the season complacent and then ends the season with a sense of urgency when playoff hopes are all but gone, all while losing just about every "BIG WIN/turn the corner" game along the way and guess what.......9-7 didn't change that last season. HE STILL DID THOSE THINGS.

You want to know what the "turning of the corner" is........it's this team growing the hell up and starting the season with urgency and actually competing in the inner divisional games. (and with us opening the season against the Colts, we have a great opportunity to do just that) Finishing 9-7 with a 1-5 divisional record is not something that needs to be praised.

 

[steelbtexan]

I'm still not understanding the problem with the celebration right after the win. They just had a comeback win against a good team which kept them alive in the Wild card hunt,( which was not decided at that point.)

Now looking back I can understand not being satisfied with the season,but if Cincy would have taken care of business later that day, the Texans would have just had a playoff berth, and you wouldn't be making this argument.

If the team had showed up against the Jets (starting a rookie QB and missing 2 defensive starters) the Cincy/Jets game would've been a moot point. Oh well that's water under the bridge now.

 

[silvrhand]

I just have one thing to say: