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Kareem Jackson's plight.

Carr Bombed said:
:rolleyes: Jason Allen is a better corner than Kareem Jackson....both get beat, but one makes plays. This thread just need to fade away. Kareem Jackson is not going to pan out as a 1st round pick, he is what he is. A player just doesn't get faster after he's been in the league for multiple years and Kareem Jackson will never posses "closing speed".
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I seem to remember your showing up in every Chris Myers thread tearing the guy down, saying thing like Myers will never pan out as an NFL center, that h will get abused time and again by opponents' NT and DT, that he will get Matt Schaub killed, etc.

OF course, you can have all your opinions; it doesn't mean that your opinions will be proven to be correct.

Other people are entitled to their oppinions as well.

Now, it just happens that a majority of mine have turned out to be (using TK' term) "more right than not" as compared to yours.

If you think you have come to a conclusion on these players, good for you.
But don't expect a thread like this or similar to it is going to fade away for awhile!
 
KJ the "starter" so that everyone looks good. He starts, gets beat a couple times because guess where teams aim 3rd down passes or goalline throws? Right after him. In crunch time situations he gets crunched.

So he geats beat up and Allen comes in. Then Allen performs about as well, except when crunch time comes, he makes a pick.

KJ's future is as a safety and god only knows if he'll be able to handle that. Quin on the other hand, he seems to fit naturally at SS.
 
K-Jax isnt slow - he just plays slow. I know, right now that is basically the same thing. But when the game slows down for him, he should play faster. It seems like he is always a tad slow while overthinking something.

Yeah, he won`t catch those amazingly fast WRs from behind - but he should be fast enough to stick with em long enough.

Oh and I wouldn`t say speed is the most important thing for a CB - it is being able to stick to the WR in and out of his cuts. That`s more agility than speed.
 
76Texan said:
I seem to remember your showing up in every Chris Myers thread tearing the guy down, saying thing like Myers will never pan out as an NFL center, that h will get abused time and again by opponents' NT and DT, that he will get Matt Schaub killed, etc.

OF course, you can have all your opinions; it doesn't mean that your opinions will be proven to be correct.

Other people are entitled to their oppinions as well.

Now, it just happens that a majority of mine have turned out to be (using TK' term) "more right than not" as compared to yours.

If you think you have come to a conclusion on these players, good for you.
But don't expect a thread like this or similar to it is going to fade away for awhile!
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76 can you do some breakdowns of our safety play today? I can't help but think that Quin and Nolan stepped up big time having seen the play on the Allen pick and how the Jags never seemed to get open downfield.

It was a great performance from the backfield today, helped by steady pressure from the front 7 and a rookie QB, but last year, that rookie QB would have had a career day out there so the improvement is immense. Gabbert will have far easier days this season and that is to our credit, worst Offense or not.
 
fiasco west said:
I think when Kareem has a good play it goes largely unnoticed because he's not getting a INT. He's played good coverage defense before, in fact it happens a lot more than people think around here. Just that it doesn't result in a INT or deflection.
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Kareem had a great game today. You can see he's getting a little more comfortable & letting his talent take over. He did get beat on that touchdown, no excuse for that. He needs not to let that happen.

I don't know what more he could have done, since there was a lot of room over there & he was all alone. The only thing I think he could have done, would have been to fight the receiver before he cleared five yards, giving our front 7 time to get the QB.

But his speed was definitely not a problem today. I don't know if those receivers are known for speed, but Kj was step for step with them on many plays.

There also seemed to be several plays where the secondary was a little confused. The Jags came out with 5 receivers a lot & it looked like we weren't expecting it.
 
EllisUnit said:
Difference. WRs have to run route, fake in and go out, all a CB has to do is follow and have speed to keep up. i'm sorry but speed is the main component to a good CB. Aso and Reevis arent slow, neither was aaron glenn, our D-Rob, our JoJo. Name 1 good slow cb ????
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Aso's 40 time was 0.03 seconds faster than Kareem. Kareem isn't slow as you are implying.

Speed is more important for a WR, for a CB they need to have the ability to react. Your speed is nothing if you can't react when the guy makes his cut. Thats how slow old WRs like Mason can still make a living just running routes well into their 30s.
 
thunderkyss said:
Kareem had a great game today. You can see he's getting a little more comfortable & letting his talent take over. He did get beat on that touchdown, no excuse for that. He needs not to let that happen.

I don't know what more he could have done, since there was a lot of room over there & he was all alone. The only thing I think he could have done, would have been to fight the receiver before he cleared five yards, giving our front 7 time to get the QB.
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I thought he got caught staring down the QB on the slant, leaving him flat footed as his man cut back outside.

It looked bad but in reality even had he managed to stay with the reciever the amount of space there was he could have been beaten there without putting a foot wrong.
 
EllisUnit said:
ummmm sometimes, but speed will beat KJ every time. Atleast allen has the ability to run stride for stride with a faster WR.
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That may be true, but he doesn't. He might have the ability, but Allen looks into the backfield, has some footwork issues, and flat out can not play at the LOS.

I don't mean to tear Allen apart, especially not to make Kj look better than he is. But Allen is nickel corner at best. Well, he's not a nickel corner because he lacks physicality, but he is in no way a #2 CB.

You put a good QB out there & they'll both look silly.

Kjax may be, one day, it's still too early to say he isn't.
 
thunderkyss said:
That was a quality INT by Allen. I don't know how Kubiak can justify not giving Allen the starting job. Like you said, it's not that he is necessarily better, but he gets his hands on the ball.

I don't know if that's the message you want to send to Kj, to start taking chances; jumping routes & stuff, but it's not like Allen is taking any.... he's playing good coverage (at times) & taking advantage of opportunity when it presents itself. Jason Allen plays special teams.. I can see Kareem coming in after Kick-off returns, but if I were Kubiak, Allen would "start" maybe not get any more snaps, but he should be "named" the "starter"
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Remember that Jackson continued to play in more series and more snaps after the INT by Allen.

Once gain, I'm good with the situation.
Whoever Wade wants to put out there, I will support him.
I've already disagreed with a certain assessment that one guy is just a nickel and the other a dime back.
Long term, I still see Jackson settling into the starting position; how much improvement I don't know; what is his ceiling, I can't guess yet.

It was a good play by Allen, but it was also the scheme that allowed him to be in position to make the play.

A good QB wouldn't have thrown the ball underneath in that situation
(unless he makes a mistake - we're familiar with this, aren't we.)

We saw how Revis didn't have any INT last year.
Among the 3 INTs he has this year (I think it was 3), at least on two of them that I can recall was when he was put in a position to make the play.
We can only criticize a player when he's put into a situation to make a play but doesn't.
Many times a CB can be in good position, but the QB simply doesn't throw the ball that way.
 
EllisUnit said:
Difference. WRs have to run route, fake in and go out, all a CB has to do is follow and have speed to keep up. i'm sorry but speed is the main component to a good CB. Aso and Reevis arent slow, neither was aaron glenn, our D-Rob, our JoJo. Name 1 good slow cb ????
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Kjax isn't slow.

He's a big guy, he can get physical at the LOS with receivers to compensate for speed. If he wins at the LOS & the front 7 pressure the CB, Kjax can be a very good corner... good enough for us anyway.
 
welsh texan said:
76 can you do some breakdowns of our safety play today? I can't help but think that Quin and Nolan stepped up big time having seen the play on the Allen pick and how the Jags never seemed to get open downfield.

It was a great performance from the backfield today, helped by steady pressure from the front 7 and a rookie QB, but last year, that rookie QB would have had a career day out there so the improvement is immense. Gabbert will have far easier days this season and that is to our credit, worst Offense or not.
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I have a day off tomorrow, I can do that.

Unless TK can get to it first.
Have you got the capability to take those screen shots yet, TK?
 
thunderkyss said:
Kjax isn't slow.

He's a big guy, he can get physical at the LOS with receivers to compensate for speed. If he wins at the LOS & the front 7 pressure the CB, Kjax can be a very good corner... good enough for us anyway.
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Yep. No one is drafting a slow corner in the first round in the NFL any ways.
 
76Texan said:
I have a day off tomorrow, I can do that.

Unless TK can get to it first.
Have you got the capability to take those screen shots yet, TK?
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No, & I don't have the time anyway.

I also think Nolan is far inferior to Danieal Manning.

I was not really appreciating Danieal, hoping Nolan got to see more time..... Now I'm hoping Manning makes a speedy recovery.

Good thing we were playing Gabbert & the Jags.
 
fiasco west said:
Playing DB in the NFL is not all about speed. Otherwise Desean Jackson would be a elite WR because he'd be faster than most guys across from him.

Edit: Also that even guys that come in with speed struggle. It's a lot more than just having speed. It's about knowing routes and being physical when you can.
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DeSean Jackson has nothing to do with corners...he's a WR (BTW Jackson is on pace for his 3rd consecutive 1,000 yard season and is averaging 19 yards per catch...I don't get your criticism here)

A DB has a MUCH greater chance at being a quality player if he has speed simply because a WR already knows exactly what he's going to do and where he's going to run on the field before the ball is even snapped.....a corner.. not so much. he needs "reaction speed" (especially in today's "no chuck" league), he has to be able to adjust to a given route and he needs the speed to close on a receiver. Could a corner live without top tier speed? Yes, if he has the instincts and route recognition. Kareem Jackson has never shown that. Jason Allen would be Petey Faggins if he didn't have that speed..but because he has that speed, he's pushing Jackson (our first round pick from last year) and he has 3 picks. He can close on receivers when beat...something Jackson CAN'T do.
 
Carr Bombed said:
DeSean Jackson has nothing to do with corners...he's a WR (BTW Jackson is on pace for his 3rd consecutive 1,000 yard season and is averaging 19 yards per catch...I don't get your criticism here)

A DB has a MUCH greater chance at being a quality player if he has speed simply because a WR already knows exactly what he's going to do and where he's going to run on the field before the ball is even snapped.....a corner.. not so much. he needs "reaction speed" (especially in today's "no chuck" league), he has to be able to adjust to a given route and he needs the speed to close on a receiver. Could a corner live without top tier speed? Yes, if he has the instincts and route recognition. Kareem Jackson has never shown that. Jason Allen would be Petey Faggins if he didn't have that speed..but because he has that speed, he's pushing Jackson (our first round pick from last year) and he has 3 picks. He can close on receivers when beat...something Jackson CAN'T do.
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You make some good points. Problem is Allen does not have any closing or make up speed. That's why he plays so far off the line, he tries to stay on top of the receiver, because if they get past him, he's not making it up.

Twice today, he's on top of the receiver when the receiver runs an out... Jason turns all the way around.. turns the wrong way. I think one was completed & the second Gabbert went somewhere else.

If you want to argue that Kj isn't a good corner, that's fine, the argument can be made.

But to argue that Allen is better... no, not really. Different, but not better. A decent QB will find & exploit both of them.
 
Carr Bombed said:
DeSean Jackson has nothing to do with corners...he's a WR (BTW Jackson is on pace for his 3rd consecutive 1,000 yard season and is averaging 19 yards per catch...I don't get your criticism here)

A DB has a MUCH greater chance at being a quality player if he has speed simply because a WR already knows exactly what he's going to do and where he's going to run on the field before the ball is even snapped.....a corner.. not so much. he needs "reaction speed" (especially in today's "no chuck" league), he has to be able to adjust to a given route and he needs the speed to close on a receiver. Could a corner live without top tier speed? Yes, if he has the instincts and route recognition. Kareem Jackson has never shown that. Jason Allen would be Petey Faggins if he didn't have that speed..but because he has that speed, he's pushing Jackson (our first round pick from last year) and he has 3 picks. He can close on receivers when beat...something Jackson CAN'T do.
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My criticism with Desean is he's not a elite WR. When someone mentions that Kareem doesn't have speed my point was to show you one of the fastest players in the NFL EVEN with the advantage of knowing where he's going can still struggle against slower players.

As far as Kareem's reaction speed. That's where we disagree. I think he DOES have it. He's shown it, you're implying that he has never covered a pass correctly when you say. "Kareem Jackson has never shown that."

As far as INTs. I mean Nnamdi did not get his first pick until he played 3 entire seasons in the NFL. Just because the guy doesn't have more picks doesn't mean he's playing horrible. Also route recognition isn't some innate talent that can't be picked up or learned.

Also why do people want the thread closed? Do you all realize that another Kareem thread will just pop up to replace this one? No one is breaking any forum rules just discussion about a player.
 
thunderkyss said:
You make some good points. Problem is Allen does not have any closing or make up speed. That's why he plays so far off the line, he tries to stay on top of the receiver, because if they get past him, he's not making it up.

Twice today, he's on top of the receiver when the receiver runs an out... Jason turns all the way around.. turns the wrong way. I think one was completed & the second Gabbert went somewhere else.

If you want to argue that Kj isn't a good corner, that's fine, the argument can be made.

But to argue that Allen is better... no, not really. Different, but not better. A decent QB will find & exploit both of them.
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This is not a valid argument. Jackso plays off the LOS far more than anyone of our CBs. One of allens qualitys is his ability to jam a WR at the LOS and then stick with him.
 
Mr teX said:
mods, for the love of god, kill this thread please!
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Hoestly, for all of the faults of this thread

1) It is better than having people start a fresh one every week

more importantly,

2) despite some posturing, there is a lot of good football talk going on in here.
 
Mr teX said:
mods, for the love of god, kill this thread please!
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But it has the will to live. Some say it gains it's life source through a cathode ray tube, others say it is a weekly seance utilizing bras, imagination and love.

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All I know is what I see, and that Jackson remains the weakest link in the chain. Thankfully, the rest of the defense is playing at a level not seen before in Reliant.
 
EllisUnit said:
This is not a valid argument. Jackso plays off the LOS far more than anyone of our CBs. One of allens qualitys is his ability to jam a WR at the LOS and then stick with him.
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Jackson wears 25

Allen wears 30

The next time you see 30 jamming a receiver at the LOS will be the first time he's done it this year.

Jackson has been doing a good job jamming the receiver at the LOS this year.

& there is nothing wrong with playing off the LOS... all CBs do it, depending on what defense is called. What matters is what they do when the ball is snapped. Allen is already halfway into his backpedal, regardless how many yards he's off the line.

Kj watches the play, then turns & run with the receiver. He's been very, very tight in his turning & running so far this season.... today, he wasn't so bad, but I think that may be because Jax's receivers aren't very fast.
 
thunderkyss said:
You make some good points. Problem is Allen does not have any closing or make up speed. That's why he plays so far off the line, he tries to stay on top of the receiver, because if they get past him, he's not making it up.

Twice today, he's on top of the receiver when the receiver runs an out... Jason turns all the way around.. turns the wrong way. I think one was completed & the second Gabbert went somewhere else.

If you want to argue that Kj isn't a good corner, that's fine, the argument can be made.

But to argue that Allen is better... no, not really. Different, but not better. A decent QB will find & exploit both of them.
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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8239bbbc/Jaguars-vs-Texans-highlights

watch allen as he presses the WR at the LOS and then has good coverage and makes the pick.

I swear you all find any excuse to make KJ better than allen. Wade could turn J.A into one hell of a CB. He has all the tools.
 
thunderkyss said:
Jackson wears 25

Allen wears 30

The next time you see 30 jamming a receiver at the LOS will be the first time he's done it this year.

Jackson has been doing a good job jamming the receiver at the LOS this year.

& there is nothing wrong with playing off the LOS... all CBs do it, depending on what defense is called. What matters is what they do when the ball is snapped. Allen is already halfway into his backpedal, regardless how many yards he's off the line.
Kj watches the play, then turns & run with the receiver. He's been very, very tight in his turning & running so far this season.... today, he wasn't so bad, but I think that may be because Jax's receivers aren't very fast.
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Now you are contradicting yourself. First it was because allen couldnt make up the speed. now all of the sudden theres nothing wrong with it. Jackson clearly lacks make up speed. more so than allen. I think you KJ and 76 love glasses are blurring your vision.
 
EllisUnit said:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8239bbbc/Jaguars-vs-Texans-highlights

watch allen as he presses the WR at the LOS and then has good coverage and makes the pick.

I swear you all find any excuse to make KJ better than allen. Wade could turn J.A into one hell of a CB. He has all the tools.
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You mean 6 year vet, 28 year old Allen has potential? I think Allen has shown all he could do at this point in his career. A solid depth player and nothing more. He'll do for a #2 CB when you have the front 7 we have.

Also isn't it the opposite with you? If someone mentions anything good KJ did you'll point out the bad.
 
fiasco west said:
You mean 6 year vet, 28 year old Allen has potential? I think Allen has shown all he could do at this point in his career. A solid depth player and nothing more. He'll do for a #2 CB when you have the front 7 we have.

Also isn't it the opposite with you? If someone mentions anything good KJ did you'll point out the bad.
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i said KJ lacks Speed. That is something you cant teach and as of now has bad ball instincts. That can be taught but if he cant hang with WRs on deep routes than he will never be able to.

And all this underlined, goes for 76 and TK they use the double standard more than anyone.
 
EllisUnit said:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8239bbbc/Jaguars-vs-Texans-highlights

watch allen as he presses the WR at the LOS and then has good coverage and makes the pick.

I swear you all find any excuse to make KJ better than allen. Wade could turn J.A into one hell of a CB. He has all the tools.
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Ok, if that is what you consider pressing & winning, that explains a lot. A better QB would have thrown a better ball to an open receiver...

EllisUnit said:
Now you are contradicting yourself. First it was because allen couldnt make up the speed. now all of the sudden theres nothing wrong with it. Jackson clearly lacks make up speed. more so than allen. I think you KJ and 76 love glasses are blurring your vision.
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When I say "make-up" speed or "closing-speed" I'm talking about a burst you normally see a CB have when the receiver is slightly ahead. the ball is usually in the air at this time & it looks similar to a receiver having to slow down to catch the ball allowing the CB to "catch up"

Very few CBs have true "make-up" or "closing-speed"

Playing off the LOS doesn't have much to do with either, in & of itself.
 
thunderkyss said:
Ok, if that is what you consider pressing & winning, that explains a lot. A better QB would have thrown a better ball to an open receiver...



When I say "make-up" speed or "closing-speed" I'm talking about a burst you normally see a CB have when the receiver is slightly ahead. the ball is usually in the air at this time & it looks similar to a receiver having to slow down to catch the ball allowing the CB to "catch up"
Very few CBs have true "make-up" or "closing-speed"

Playing off the LOS doesn't have much to do with either, in & of itself.
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OK and KJ does not have this. So what is your argument ?
 
EllisUnit said:
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i said KJ lacks Speed. That is something you cant teach and as of now has bad ball instincts. That can be taught but if he cant hang with WRs on deep routes than he will never be able to.

And all this underlined, goes for 76 and TK they use the double standard more than anyone.
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Nnamdi Asomugha 40 time: 4.45
Kareem Jackson 40 time: 4.40
Darrelle Revis: 4.38

As I was saying before. He's not a slow corner.
 
EllisUnit said:
What was Arian Fosters 40 time ???? this will show you the combine 40 means nothing !

http://40-yard-dash-times.com/arian-foster-40-yard-dash.html

it was 4.69. so give me a break
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Which is probably why he went undrafted lol. Yet I think Foster came into the draft with a injury. But you are the one that said Kareem wasn't fast. I said nothing about Foster being slow, but he's definitely not one of the speedier RBs in the NFL. That would go to guys like Chris Johnson, Jahvid Best...I'd take Arian over each of them because he knows how to read holes, make decisive cuts, and go.

Speed is one of the more overrated attributes in the NFL. Lots of players come in defense and offense with all this speed and turn out to be average at best players. That's kinda my point, that KJs speed isn't the problem. It's his technique, reaction time, and inexperience.

But you are right...The 40 time means nothing in relation to how good a player can be...but the guys who do run it well usually turn out to be the fastest players in the NFL. So with all that said Kareem is not a slow Corner.
 
Lets compare the combine just for giggles

Allen

40 - 4.39
20- 2.55
10 - 1.50
Bench reps - 17
vertical - 39 1/2
broad jump - 10'11''
20 yrd shuttle - 3.83
3 cone drill - 6.77


Jackson

40 - 4.40
20 - 2.52
10 - 1.53
Bench Reps - 13
vertical - 37 1/2
broad jump - 9'10''
20 yrd shuttle - 4.14
3 cone drill - 6.92

ok so allen better in all drills except 1. Do we still want to have an argument ?
 
One guy has 3 interceptions this season.

The other doesn't.

I'm not sure, but I think you have to (a) be near the intended WR on a pass play, (b) turn around and SEE the ball as it approaches the targeted WR, and (c) secure the interception to seal the deal.

One guy is doing that, one guy isn't.

Oh, and Jason Allen did it with Troy Nolan as the helping Safety on the play, not Manning.

By the way, Kubiak stated in camp and throughout the preseason that JA was pushing KJ for the CB2 spot.

KJ starts games, the past two weeks, then rides the pine the other 75% of the game.

I think if we are discussing which CB2 is better, at this current stage, it's an easy answer. Or ought to be.
 
EllisUnit said:
Lets compare the combine just for giggles

Allen

40 - 4.39
20- 2.55
10 - 1.50
Bench reps - 17
vertical - 39 1/2
broad jump - 10'11''
20 yrd shuttle - 3.83
3 cone drill - 6.77


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40 - 4.40
20 - 2.5210 - 1.53
Bench Reps - 13
vertical - 37 1/2
broad jump - 9'10''
20 yrd shuttle - 4.14
3 cone drill - 6.92

ok so allen better in all drills except 1. Do we still want to have an argument ?
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Argument about what? You said he lacked speed. This clearly shows that he doesn't.
 
fiasco west said:
Argument about what? You said he lacked speed. This clearly shows that he doesn't.
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he also ran a 4.55 in the 40. j allen never went near that even on his slowest. Just saying allen has good speed and we have seen KJ get beat way to often so i doubt that consistent 40 speed he posted.
 
Screw the combine. Screw photos.

What happens in the game is what matters.

Jason Allen is a better CB2 than Kareem Jackson RIGHT NOW.

When QBs throw his way, or CONSIDER throwing his way, that QB is going to know Jason Allen has 3 picks at the halfway point of the season and doesn't even get 100% of the snaps.

What do you want? A QB throwing at KJ or at JA?
 
GP said:
One guy has 3 interceptions this season.

The other doesn't.

I'm not sure, but I think you have to (a) be near the intended WR on a pass play, (b) turn around and SEE the ball as it approaches the targeted WR, and (c) secure the interception to seal the deal.

One guy is doing that, one guy isn't.

Oh, and Jason Allen did it with Troy Nolan as the helping Safety on the play, not Manning.

By the way, Kubiak stated in camp and throughout the preseason that JA was pushing KJ for the CB2 spot.

KJ starts games, the past two weeks, then rides the pine the other 75% of the game.

I think if we are discussing which CB2 is better, at this current stage, it's an easy answer. Or ought to be.
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Interceptions are not a end all sign of what CB is playing better. Jason Allen has one less career INT than Aso. So I suppose they are equal? One gets tested more often and one does not.

Also I doubt this 75% number is true.
 
thunderkyss said:
When I say "make-up" speed or "closing-speed" I'm talking about a burst you normally see a CB have when the receiver is slightly ahead.
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Closing speed to me is completely different than make-up speed. Closing speed would be in reference to closing in on the target (has possession of the ball). Make-up speed would be an instance where they failed their assignment and must leverage their wheels.

I would say Kareem is above average in closing, and wears to much make-up on Sundays.
 
A couple weeks ago Allen gave up a TD on a missed tackle, they both have their good games and bad games. Right now it'll come down to who starts getting more reps.

We are much better position than last year, that's all that matters.
 
GP said:
Screw the combine. Screw photos.

What happens in the game is what matters.

Jason Allen is a better CB2 than Kareem Jackson RIGHT NOW.

When QBs throw his way, or CONSIDER throwing his way, that QB is going to know Jason Allen has 3 picks at the halfway point of the season and doesn't even get 100% of the snaps.

What do you want? A QB throwing at KJ or at JA?
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I don't want the QB throwing that way at all honestly. I remember the Raider game when Allen was targeted an entire drive and then eventually gave up the TD.
 
fiasco west said:
Interceptions are not a end all sign of what CB is playing better. Jason Allen has one less career INT than Aso. So I suppose they are equal? One gets tested more often and one does not.

Also I doubt this 75% number is true.
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So now the interception numbers don't matter? LOL.

I guess you'd rather the opposing team just continue going down the field?

How can you nullify the impact of a turnover? Was Cushing's lucky interception not important today?

You guys crack me up. The theory that interceptions or QB sacks does not tell a full story is bullshit.

Keep chopping wood, guys.
 
GP said:
KJ starts games, the past two weeks, then rides the pine the other 75% of the game.
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Absolutely incorrect.

Jackson has played more than Allen, especially this week.

I had the count for the Tacks game earlier in this thread.
I will get the count for this game some other time.

But first, I'm going to rewatch the whole game now in one shot.
 
GP said:
So now the interception numbers don't matter? LOL.

I guess you'd rather the opposing team just continue going down the field?

How can you nullify the impact of a turnover? Was Cushing's lucky interception not important today?

You guys crack me up. The theory that interceptions or QB sacks does not tell a full story is bullshit.

Keep chopping wood, guys.
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Where did I say interceptions didn't matter? Where in my post did I say that?

You said Allen had 3 INTs and KJ had none. Therefore Allen should start. I'm saying INTs are not the end all on judging how well a CB plays. Obviously Nnamdi does not get many INTs but is one of the leagues better Corners.
 
76Texan said:
Absolutely incorrect.

Jackson has played more than Allen, especially this week.

I had the count for the Tacks game earlier in this thread.
I will get the count for this game some other time.

But first, I'm going to rewatch the whole game now in one shot.
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see who got a turnover for 7 points and then who gave up 7 points ;) dont forget that break down.
 
76Texan said:
Absolutely incorrect.

Jackson has played more than Allen, especially this week.

I had the count for the Tacks game earlier in this thread.
I will get the count for this game some other time.

But first, I'm going to rewatch the whole game now in one shot.
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Oh, I apologize for using too high of a %.

What do your football instincts tell you when a CB is being increasingly phased out of the lineup?

I see #30 all on my screen these past two weeks, with increased frequency. Dude is playing better than KJ. Period.
 
silvrhand said:
A couple weeks ago Allen gave up a TD on a missed tackle, they both have their good games and bad games. Right now it'll come down to who starts getting more reps.

We are much better position than last year, that's all that matters.
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I've admitted as much. They have both had their moments. I simply rather give KJ more time because he is younger and I don't see this large gap of talent between him and Allen like some others here so I see no harm in playing him.

It's really that simple for me.

Allen is a more opportunistic DB though that has shown he can go get the ball...that doesn't necessarily make him better though.
 
GP said:
Oh, I apologize for using too high of a %.

What do your football instincts tell you when a CB is being increasingly phased out of the lineup?

I see #30 all on my screen these past two weeks, with increased frequency. Dude is playing better than KJ. Period.
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What's up with the three sentence responses? If this is a halo effect from the Texans being in first place, then there is hope that this thread will go the way of Zed.
 
GP said:
Oh, I apologize for using too high of a %.

What do your football instincts tell you when a CB is being increasingly phased out of the lineup?I see #30 all on my screen these past two weeks, with increased frequency. Dude is playing better than KJ. Period.
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That said CB (in your usage) would be Allen.
Earlier in the season, it was pretty much 2 series for each, thereabout.
Since Jackson came back he has been taking away series and snaps from Allen.

Right now, this is the case.
I don't know what Wade will do next week.
.
 
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