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JJ Watt - MVP

Double Barrel said:
If a QB just has to win the MVP, I'd say Brady has made a much better case than Rodgers at this point.

Rodgers looked horrible against the Bills yesterday, and it's not like there is nothing to play for. The Packers are still trying to win their division. 34.3 QBR vs. the Bills? That does not scream MVP.
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It is strange, but Brady's name usually gets passed up a lot, because the media and the fans just expect Brady to have a great year and win a ton of games and be on top of the AFC. They totally undertook the fact that he has to get a entirely new receiving group almost every other year when you consider the injuries he has had with his receiving core and all of the moving counter parts where he is dealing with guys who aren't even closed to elite. Rodgers is having an amazing season though. I think at this exact moment he still is slightly higher than Brady in that race, but there are two games left so Brady should be capable of stretching out a little further, but I'm sure that Rodgers will be back with some more big games in the next two weeks so we'll see. Either way, I'm sure that Brady will be overlooked. They haven't even given hardly any mention of Peydon Manning this year which he should be a strong candidate still I'd think.
 
dream_team said:
How quickly we forget Brady's stinker against KC earlier this season.
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Why the hell would one game blow someone out of the discussion especially when we're talking about a QB? Every QB has usually a few bad games in a season. The best ones have usually one at the very least. You are clearly reaching to call out one game that was all the way back to week 3 when it is about an entire season.
 
Wolf said:
Maybe the league needs to be fair. No double teaming or triple teaming of a defensive player. Lets see how the stats rack up on watt (you can still chip him....for now)

:tease:
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How about we just get rid of the tackling of Watt. He's been tackled more times than Arian Foster this season.
 
Big Lou said:
How about we just get rid of the tackling of Watt. He's been tackled more times than Arian Foster this season.
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Imagine how much more he'd be doing if you couldn't hold him every play. I don't think there'd be any doubt who the MVP was.
 
Rolling Stone magazine:

NFL Superhero of the Year: J.J. Watt

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We tell our kids that defense is what matters most in sports. It's where the best athletes go. It's what wins championships. But it's not just about glory; it's about something bigger. Selflessness. Pride. Sacrifice.



In other words, when it comes to talking to our kids, we are a bunch of dirty liars. We should be sent to our rooms. Oh, defense probably mattered once upon a time, but these days, the guys on the other side of the ball get all the love – and all the spoils (fame, money, more money) that come along with it.

Which brings me to J.J. Watt, defensive end, Houston Texans. The guy is a freak, and I feel comfortable saying that because 1) He is; and 2) He doesn't know where I live.

Watt is the best player in the NFL. By far. Defense is nearly dead in football, but tune in on a weekly basis, and you'll see Watt winning games from the wrong side of the ball. Sure, he also has more touchdown receptions this season than Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson and Wes Welker, but that belies my point. Watt is breaking the rules of modern football physics.

The narrative of this season is about Aaron Rodgers, the Green Bay quarterback who, it turns out, will probably go down as one of the greatest players of all time. He's having a remarkable year, but know this: Nearly every rule in football is designed to limit defenses and keep the touchdowns coming, so TV audiences keep watching and advertisers keep advertising. Defenders cannot hit a quarterback high, low or while he's sliding. They can't hit a receiver while he's in the air jumping for the ball. Can't put their hands in front of a receiver's face. Soon, it would not be shocking if the league made it illegal to hit a quarterback while he's blinking.

There are so many rules in place that it makes what Watt is doing historic, too. Rodgers is completing passes the way a dad and son do it the backyard – with no one stopping them. Watt lines up against five 350-pound linemen and a massive rulebook on every single down. There have been plenty of great defensive players in the NFL, but none of them had their hands tied behind their backs from the moment the ball was snapped.

As a result, this could be the best year a defensive player has ever had. In 14 games, Watt has 64 tackles, 16.5 sacks, 43 quarterback hits, five fumble recoveries, three forced fumbles and an interception. In addition to those three receiving touchdowns, he also took that interception and a fumble to the house, giving him five scores on the season. Yet Watt is not going to win the league's MVP award. Rodgers is. Watt deserves it. But no defender has won it since 1986.
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It is time to give the MVP to a defensive player. Even if you question whether a team that isn't going to the playoffs can really have the most valuable player, you've got to admit that, against all odds, J.J. Watt has turned in one monster of a season – a campaign worthy of the league's highest individual honor.

Whatever the logical reasons are for a quarterback to get it, just throw those out and give the award to the guy who breaks the laws of football physics. Give it to the NFL's sole superhero. At the very least, do it to stop lying to your kids.
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EDIT: forgot the link to the entire thing :
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/nfl-superhero-of-the-year-j-j-watt-20141215
 
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Even though they whooped NE having lost to Buffalo and if they fall to Detroit Rodgers may lose the title to Watt.
 
ESPN article on MVP:http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...dgers-tom-brady-peyton-manning-demarco-murray

Just wondering what games this guy watches..

Chadiha: No. He doesn't deserve the award, and it would be shocking to see him get many votes. The major hurdle he faces is his team: You simply can't be the Most Valuable Player on a squad that doesn't make the playoffs. Watt has produced another stellar season, but it's not even one of the most dominant years ever by a player likely to win Defensive Player of the Year honors. When Lawrence Taylor won the MVP award in 1986, he destroyed teams on a weekly basis and literally changed the ways offenses schemed to protect the passer. Watt has had some great moments, but he hasn't come close to being that transcendent.
 
Section516 said:
ESPN article on MVP:http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...dgers-tom-brady-peyton-manning-demarco-murray

Just wondering what games this guy watches..

Chadiha: No. He doesn't deserve the award, and it would be shocking to see him get many votes. The major hurdle he faces is his team: You simply can't be the Most Valuable Player on a squad that doesn't make the playoffs. Watt has produced another stellar season, but it's not even one of the most dominant years ever by a player likely to win Defensive Player of the Year honors. When Lawrence Taylor won the MVP award in 1986, he destroyed teams on a weekly basis and literally changed the ways offenses schemed to protect the passer. Watt has had some great moments, but he hasn't come close to being that transcendent.
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Nope. Everyone else is wrong and he is right
 
Section516 said:
ESPN article on MVP:http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...dgers-tom-brady-peyton-manning-demarco-murray

Just wondering what games this guy watches..

Chadiha: No. He doesn't deserve the award, and it would be shocking to see him get many votes. The major hurdle he faces is his team: You simply can't be the Most Valuable Player on a squad that doesn't make the playoffs.
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Watching NFLN last night, and there is a possible scenario that the Lions win out and the Packers miss the playoffs.

I do wonder how that MVP would go if the Packers don't make the tournament. I'm kind of hoping it happens to make this scenario come true.

Of course, that probably means Brady would win it.
 
JB said:
That is awesome! Hope JJ got it
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I'm sorry, the story was this was something he received. That's JJ tweeting.

Gotta love the lead in to the story, outside of an MVP discussion, to state the obvious:

Unless you haven’t consumed any NFL media coverage in the last three years, you’re probably aware that Houston Texans defensive end J.J. Watt is arguably the most dominant player in the league.
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Link

He is getting unprecedented coverage as a defensive player and as an MVP candidate. Most of the time the DPOY gets next to nothing in the MVP discussion. JJ is getting tons of "he's the best player but he still won't get it" coverage.

Slim chance but it might just guilt the voters to prove they aren't QB fluffers.
 
infantrycak said:
I'm sorry, the story was this was something he received. That's JJ tweeting.

Gotta love the lead in to the story, outside of an MVP discussion, to state the obvious:



Link

He is getting unprecedented coverage as a defensive player and as an MVP candidate. Most of the time the DPOY gets next to nothing in the MVP discussion. JJ is getting tons of "he's the best player but he still won't get it" coverage.

Slim chance but it might just guilt the voters to prove they aren't QB fluffers.
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He's getting the kind of attention got whey LT had his best year ever in 1986. 20.5 sacks reinvented the rush linebacker position. JJ is pretty much doing the same from DT (I know he's a 3-4 DE).

It may take both Rodgers and Brady stumbling the next two weeks for JJ to have a chance.
 
JB said:
He's getting the kind of attention got whey LT had his best year ever in 1986. 20.5 sacks reinvented the rush linebacker position. JJ is pretty much doing the same from DT (I know he's a 3-4 DE).

It may take both Rodgers and Brady stumbling the next two weeks for JJ to have a chance.
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The biggest and most important thing that LT had going for him (other than an outstanding season) is the fact the Giants went 14-2, eventually winning Super Bowl XXI

Watt has a team that'll end up 7-9 or 8-8
 
Texecutioner said:
The subject of Watt and the MVP is starting to gain further steam. Not quite as an impossibility as I thought.
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Impossibility? He's going to win it. I think the people voting will fall all over themselves to prove what a sophisticated football sense they have. They will vote for this dominant defensive player.
 
Texecutioner said:
The subject of Watt and the MVP is starting to gain further steam. Not quite as an impossibility as I thought.
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It's about the same as how clowney moved up the draft board with all the draft talk, for the longest he was not predicted as the #1 overall, but as time went on and talking heads talked he moved all the way to the top, "lucky for us" :kitten:
 
Runner said:
Impossibility? He's going to win it. I think the people voting will fall all over themselves to prove what a sophisticated football sense they have. They will vote for this dominant defensive player.
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i'm doing my best to help champion the cause but i still dont see it from the voters - yet. last week rich gannon (who has a vote) said the same thing it seems everybody is. watt is the best player in football, he's having a season for the ages and doing so against an incredibly stacked deck ... but i'm going to vote for rodgers because he's the best quarterback this year and leading his team to the playoffs.

i think the article that needs to circulate most is the one earlier this year (that i cant seem to find) - where the one vote for von miller in watt's DPOY year apologized for their selection. make voters choose who they know to be right instead of second guessing and rationalizing their selections.

aaron rodgers certainly helped the cause last week though. a team that will at best go 12-4, and a quarterback with 5+ interceptions and a 'weak' 4500 yards is miles from being groundbreaking.
 
Runner said:
Impossibility? He's going to win it. I think the people voting will fall all over themselves to prove what a sophisticated football sense they have. They will vote for this dominant defensive player.
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Runner,

I disagree with you here. My point being that the sophisticated football fan would recognize JJ's impact on the game and should be the MVP, it's the old fart voters that won't. That said, I'm not exactly sure who gets to vote on this award. My comments were assuming that writers and such had the votes.

I certainly hope that you are right and I'm completely wrong, of course.
 
EllisUnit said:
It's about the same as how clowney moved up the draft board with all the draft talk, for the longest he was not predicted as the #1 overall, but as time went on and talking heads talked he moved all the way to the top, "lucky for us" :kitten:
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*punches myself in the junk*
 
Almost forgot, but it's true.........

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 · 11h 11 hours ago

Dikembe @officialmutombo says his finger wag was far better than @JJWatt: "I'm the original. You can't get better than that." (having fun)
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Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 · 11h 11 hours ago

Dikembe Mutombo (laughing) to JJ Watt: "I need a check from him for every finger wag that he does. I need a royalty check."
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Will Watt win the MVP, probably not. Does he deserve it, absolutely. The league is offensive minded so I don't see a defensive player winning it anytime soon. Unfortunate.

I've seen Rodgers name thrown around in here, and I don't want to hijack the thread BUT....and I don't like him cuz he's a Cowboy but look at the Romo's stats compared to Rodgers thru 14 weeks.

Romo (on left) / Rodgers
10-3 / 10-4
69.3 comp% / 64.0
8.4 YPA / 8.4
28-8 TD/INT / 35-5
110.4 Rating / 111.2
80.2 QBR / 81.1
3 - 4th Q comebacks / 1
4 - Game winning drives / 1

Pretty even stats other than the TD/INT but after the Buffalo game and Romo's 3 TDs against the Eagles, it it a lot closer now. Romo's name never even comes up in the MVP discussion and he has been on par with Rodgers, IMO so far.

But Watt deserves it too.
 
Playoffs said:
Wade Phillips ‏@sonofbum
@taniaganguli Bobby Grier was a very strong supporter of JJ and was also a big influence on the drafting of him-he deserves a lot of credit
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From Wiki
Then-Patriots head coach Ron Erhardt hired Grier as an offensive backfield coach for the team's 1981 season. From 1982 through 1984, Grier was a college scout for the Patriots, before returning as offensive backfield coach in 1985, a position he held through 1992. In 1993, new head coach Bill Parcells moved Grier back to the personnel department as the Patriots' director of pro scouting. In 1995, Grier was promoted to director of player personnel. When Pete Carroll was hired as head coach in 1997, Grier was again promoted, this time to vice president of player personnel. In early 2000, Carroll was fired and replaced with Bill Belichick. Grier was fired shortly after the 2000 NFL Draft with then-assistant director of player personnel Scott Pioli taking over Grier's responsibilities, despite being instrumental for helping the Patriots draft Tom Brady in the 6th round of the NFL draft, being the only NFL executive to have contacted Lloyd Carr, Brady's college coach, about drafting Brady. Grier then was hired by the Houston Texans in May 2000 as their associate director of pro scouting, two years before the team began play.
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Thorn said:
OK. After next week and I'll come back and post it again then. LOL
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The way Watt plays i'm sure he will swt the record eventually anyways. I mean the kid already has 50 sacks, he is moving up the rankings rather quickly.

I mean Mario only has 89 career sacks since 06, Watt already has 54.
 
JB said:
I'm with ya... 2.5 sacks against Bortles ain't no step
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JJ Watt will be historic. After football they'll redo all the Terminator movies with him as the lead. He'll have done so many TV commercials you won't be able to look at him anymore.

Do we really want this?
 
Thorn said:
JJ Watt will be historic. After football they'll redo all the Terminator movies with him as the lead. He'll have done so many TV commercials you won't be able to look at him anymore.

Do we really want this?
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yeah, yeah we do... :swatter:
 
austins23 said:
Will Watt win the MVP, probably not. Does he deserve it, absolutely. The league is offensive minded so I don't see a defensive player winning it anytime soon. Unfortunate.

I've seen Rodgers name thrown around in here, and I don't want to hijack the thread BUT....and I don't like him cuz he's a Cowboy but look at the Romo's stats compared to Rodgers thru 14 weeks.

Romo (on left) / Rodgers
10-3 / 10-4
69.3 comp% / 64.0
8.4 YPA / 8.4
28-8 TD/INT / 35-5
110.4 Rating / 111.2
80.2 QBR / 81.1
3 - 4th Q comebacks / 1
4 - Game winning drives / 1

Pretty even stats other than the TD/INT but after the Buffalo game and Romo's 3 TDs against the Eagles, it it a lot closer now. Romo's name never even comes up in the MVP discussion and he has been on par with Rodgers, IMO so far.

But Watt deserves it too.
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Romo? Sorry, but that is laughable. The only reason why his name is mentioned at all I'd because it is a new name in the discussion and because he is a Dallas Cowboy.

Brady and Manning both have outplayed Romo by a pretty strong margin and have teams with better records.
 
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