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Jared Goff

As usual, Cosell and I agree.

I think Goff is the best QB prospect to come out since Luck. Many would disagree with that and that's fine. That's just my feeling based on the studying I've done on him and every other top QB that has come out in the last few years.

I also had reservations about Winston because of his penchant for risky decision making and high interception rate. I actually even guaranteed that he would lead the league in INTs if he started all 16 games. I was wrong. He finished 5th. I'd like to see how he looks in his second year now that defenses will have had a chance to study him more thoroughly. I think he's always going to be a high INT guy, but so was Favre for the most part. It's an issue that can be overcome if you make your high-risk plays count.
 
There are a ton of things to like about Goff's game but I find it interesting that Cosell would take this stance. IIRC, his biggest criticism of Winston was his decision making and arguably the biggest criticism of Goff's game is his decision making under pressure.
 
JB said:
Yeah this is interesting...
Cosell, notably, had his reservations about Jameis' game last year, stating he would rather have Zach Mettenberger as his quarterback than Winston.
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I think those comments had at least as much to do with a high opinion of Mettenberger as they did with the noted reservations about Winston. Leading up the the 2014 draft, Cosell called Mettenberger the "Best prototypical pocket passer in this class". Clearly he did have some concerns about Winston, but he also characterized him as the best prospect in last years draft class (at least at one point).
 
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ChampionTexan said:
I think those comments had at least as much to do with a high opinion of Mettenberger as they did with the noted reservations about Winston. Leading up the the 2014 draft, Cosell called Mettenberger the "Best prototypical pocket passer in this class". Clearly he did have some concerns about Winston, but he also characterized him as the best prospect in last years draft class (at least at one point).
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yes but he had already gotten to see Mettenberger play for a year or part of at the NFL level and still preferred him over Winston
 
JB said:
yes but he had already gotten to see Mettenberger play for a year or part of at the NFL level and still preferred him over Winston
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So less than 1/2 a season of starts for an absolute dumpster-fire of team didn't change his opinion. Not ridiculous.

There were a few (maybe more than a few) folks on this board who had a pretty high opinion of Mettenberger when he was drafted, and didn't change their minds after one season (although I think at least some of them have now).
 
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So less than 1/2 a season of starts for an absolute dumpster-fire of team didn't change his opinion. Not ridiculous.

There were a few (maybe more than a few) folks on this board who had a pretty high opinion of Mettenberger when he was drafted, and didn't change their minds after one season (although I think at least some of them have now).
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Yes and we all know the track record of the arm chair GM's here :D
 
ChampionTexan said:
So less than 1/2 a season of starts for an absolute dumpster-fire of team didn't change his opinion. Not ridiculous.

There were a few (maybe more than a few) folks on this board who had a pretty high opinion of Mettenberger when he was drafted, and didn't change their minds after one season (although I think at least some of them have now).
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I didn't love him but I liked him. Had him as the #5 QB in that class behind Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr, and Garoppolo.

He didn't look great that first year. Went 0-6 as the starter. But he did carry an 83.4 efficiency rating. Not terrible for a first year player. He looked absolutely lost when he played this season though. No development whatsoever.

The comment does seem odd though. I'm not a Winston guy at all. But I still would have taken him over Mettenberger. Easily.
 
bah007 said:
The comment does seem odd though. I'm not a Winston guy at all. But I still would have taken him over Mettenberger. Easily.
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Winston wasn't without his flaws, but his talents eclipsed Mett's by a sight, so I'd have to think Cosell's take was about something more marginal there. He could have just been having a smarter-than-everyone-else-in-the-room moment like just about every evaluator is guilty of from time to time or he was hanging on to a bias with Winston's off-field junk, either aware or not. I give Cosell too much benefit of the doubt to think he thought Mett was a flat out better QB.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Winston wasn't without his flaws, but his talents eclipsed Mett's by a sight, so I'd have to think Cosell's take was about something more marginal there. He could have just been having a smarter-than-everyone-else-in-the-room moment like just about every evaluator is guilty of from time to time or he was hanging on to a bias with Winston's off-field junk, either aware or not. I give Cosell too much benefit of the doubt to think he thought Mett was a flat out better QB.
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I think it was more he wouldnt want the leader of his team/ face of franchise to have Winston's past, and or future off field baggage. However Im not sure if he realized Mett had some off field issues as well
 
I think Mett would have done great if he went to a team interested in developing him. I don't think the Titans did a good job with him & I don't think they'll do a good job with Mariotta.
 
I've seen a few cut ups of Goff & a couple of highlight videos. He doesn't seem to have elite arm strength, he hasn't thrown many, if any, deep outs... 10~15 yard outs.

He looks as frail as Bridgewater. Not that it's a big deal.

I hope he throws at the combine. I want to see his "on a rope" throws.

Still very impressive. I like his feet & his ability to stop, pop, & throw strikes. I like the way he holds the ball, his throwing motion. A lot of arm, loses very little velocity when throwing on the run.

I really like his feet.
 
JB said:
But Cosell didn't :lol:
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Which makes his comment even more perplexing.

Why use Winston as measuring stick if you don't even think he was that good?

Ok, you think he's a better prospect than Winston....But What I want to know is do you think he's better than Mettenberger?
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Which makes his comment even more perplexing.

Why use Winston as measuring stick if you don't even think he was that good?

Ok, you think he's a better prospect than Winston....But What I want to know is do you think he's better than Mettenberger?
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I suspect using Winston is just a simple reference point as the first QB taken/first pick in the draft.
 
JB said:
Would be interesting if he compared them both to Bortles
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Ok then, the most recent first QB taken/first pick in the draft who's also coming fresh off of a generally regarded successful rookie season.

It just boils down to an endorsement of Goff.
 
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Mollywhopper said:
Gotcha, sorry if I came off a twat. Just surprised at all the previous headscratching over a seemingly cut & dry comment.

Also, I'll cut a b*tch for Cosell. He's the analytical bees knees.

:bat: .... :fostering:
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What is surprising about my comments questioning Cosell?

It's an odd thing to pretty much say you don't think a guy is good and then pump another guy up by saying you think another guy is better than the guy you didn't think was good in the first place.

People don't generally do that. I don't tell people about a restaurant I like by saying well hey "it's better than McDonalds". People would probably be confused if I did that as well.

So as someone reading his statement I have no idea how good he actually thinks Goff is. Is he admitting he was wrong about Winston? Or is he just using him as a reference point like you claim. One of those options makes complete sense. The other, not so much.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
What is surprising about my comments questioning Cosell?

It's an odd thing to pretty much say you don't think a guy is good and then pump another guy up by saying you think another guy is better than the guy you didn't think was good in the first place.
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Agreed, but...

Thing is most people don't remember his review from last year, but everyone knows Winston went #1. He's therefore presumed to be really good to be worth the #1. Saying someone is better is just a short hand superlative.
 
infantrycak said:
Agreed, but...

Thing is most people don't remember his review from last year, but everyone knows Winston went #1. He's therefore presumed to be really good to be worth the #1. Saying someone is better is just a short hand superlative.
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As someone that follows him for analysis Id still have no idea how good HE actually thought Goff was based on his comments. But.....

I found this article:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...mariota-not-average-rookie-qbs-212805637.html

Now his comments make sense to me.

Just superlative or a reference point didn't make sense to me if I'm basically reading his review of a product. If I'm shopping on Amazon and saw a reviewer rate something bad and then say the next product was better than that bad product that doesn't make me want to get the product that's better than bad. Just makes me have more questions to find out how good the product really is.

But with the link I posted above I THINK I know how good he thinks Goff is since he now apparently thinks Jameis as a rookie was really impressive.
 
infantrycak said:
Allen is JAG. Just not seeing where you get this big choice from. And if they did have to make a choice Allen will be the one on the market. Fleener is Luck's woobie.
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Same was said about delanie walker vs davis.
infantrycak said:
Huh? Walker and Davis arrived in 2006 and both got 2nd contracts with the Niners. Then Walker left before Davis.
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What I'm saying is Davis is the vertical threat guy, much like Fleener. Allen is more of the complete guy, like Walker. Walker has proven to beca more consistent route runner and pass catcher than Davis. Allen may not be a the Y flex te fleener is, but he's a complete guy who can play inline. Not only that, he's 2 yrs younger.
 
OK and that means what? The original point was the Colts aren't going to let Fleener hit the market. They may/probably will keep both.

That was the original discussion - steelbtexan had Fleener as a FA target. And I don't think he will be available.
 
infantrycak said:
OK and that means what? The original point was the Colts aren't going to let Fleener hit the market. They may/probably will keep both.

That was the original discussion - steelbtexan had Fleener as a FA target. And I don't think he will be available.
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If either Fleener or Allen become available in FA I sign them Allen would be my do everything TE and I would draft Hooper or Cajuste (And beef him up) as my stretch the seam TE. This would take TE from a position of crap to a position of strength.
 
steelbtexan said:
If either Fleener or Allen become available in FA I sign them Allen would be my do everything TE and I would draft Hooper or Cajuste (And beef him up) as my stretch the seam TE. This would take TE from a position of crap to a position of strength.
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Have we had a fair look at the TEs on the roster, including our top of the 3rd drafted by OB? So far I have seen no indication the QBarousel or OB know what to do with a TE. Not that I'm opposed to swapping out soon to be unused pieces.
 
Jared Goff's hands are 'supposedly tiny'
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Cal QB Jared Goff's hands are "supposedly tiny," according to Tom Pelissero of USA Today.


Source: Tom Pelissero on Twitter
 
WolverineFan said:
Funny how Goff is considered lean and undersized yet guys like Cook and Hackenberg are considered prototype.

Goff weighed 215, Cook 217, and Hack 223.
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Its more projecting where they can bulk up to as oppose to where they are now. With both Cook and Hack you see a frame that with an NFL weight and dietary program can bulk them up quite a bit. Goff has a TB frame, where its real thin and looks almost maxed out size wise.
 
Shishkabob said:
Its more projecting where they can bulk up to as oppose to where they are now. With both Cook and Hack you see a frame that with an NFL weight and dietary program can bulk them up quite a bit. Goff has a TB frame, where its real thin and looks almost maxed out size wise.
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So a team wouldn't want Goff to continually start and not miss any time like TB?

He's thin, he's not a dandelion.
 
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