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Jared Goff

Shishkabob said:
Its more projecting where they can bulk up to as oppose to where they are now. With both Cook and Hack you see a frame that with an NFL weight and dietary program can bulk them up quite a bit. Goff has a TB frame, where its real thin and looks almost maxed out size wise.
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Which begs the question why does he need any more weight?

This draftnik weight fascination is silly to me. The most common QB injuries are knee, collarbone and shoulder and adding 10 lbs will do next to nothing to prevent them.
 
WolverineFan said:
Funny how Goff is considered lean and undersized yet guys like Cook and Hackenberg are considered prototype.

Goff weighed 215, Cook 217, and Hack 223.
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Just eye balling them, Goff & Cook look lean. But lean isn't as bad as frail, which is how I would label Teddy Bridgewater's frame. & I think Bridgewater was listed under 200 lbs as a senior.

I don't think Goff & Cook's weight is an issue.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep, he's likely to end up like Clausen because they have the same hand size.

I hope all of the teams picking before the Texans are thinking like you.
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My hands are the same size and could throw a HS football 60 yards . A pro football not so much because I didn't have the control . If it was warm and muggy maybe but if it was cold and dry , I threw some ducks . With long arms you have to be more of a dart thrower than a guy who pumps it in there .
 
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Inside perspective on Goff from former OC Tony Franklin

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dinator-dispels-myths-regarding-qb-jared-goff


Here is an excerpt to wet your beak...


When many look at the Air Raid—or Bear Raid—offense you helped craft over the years, it’s often referred to as a check-with-me offense with simple reads and throws. How do you react to those claims?

If you watch our offense, that’s not who we are. We want to run the football. We tried to run the football. If we can, we do run the football. We have a tremendous about play-action passes and big sets. We have sets with seven offensive linemen in the game at the same time. We have sets with two or three tight ends in the game.


We weren’t a check-with-me system. There are times in my career where I did that, because it helped us win games. But our offense now is built upon progression reads.


There are many plays when you watch Jared, he gets to his fifth progression. It’s a straight dropback system where he goes through his progression and tries to get to that fifth read within three seconds. If he doesn’t, he’ll be in trouble, because he’ll be sacked.


We do a tremendous amount of run-pass stuff where we have a run play called with a two- or three-route combination on it.


He’s taking the snap as the coverages take place, fitting the ball into the running back’s stomach and needs to make a decision whether he’ll hand the ball off or throw to the first or second read in the progression.


It’s all based on post-snap reads.

Another thing we do with him, he was able to change protections at any time. He was allowed to change the play at any time. He probably had to do more than any NFL quarterback does right now.

A lot of what Jared did: I call a play with two or three guys running routes within the play. Pre-snap, he can come up and change everything. He could change the play completely if he wanted to do so. He could just change the protection. Or he could wait until the ball is snapped and make a decision based on what the defense did.

I try to make everything simple for the quarterback, but it doesn’t mean it’s simple. It’s my job to make him believe what he’s doing is simple. So, we tried to teach in simplistic terms.

Instead of saying "when they’re in Cover 8 or 6 and the safety does this, you automatically do that," I didn’t give him automatics. We talked in theories. Theoretically, this is what they’re trying to do, but it doesn’t mean it’s going to work.

Ninety percent of defensive coordinators after something went wrong with a player say, "We misaligned. Or we didn’t get the check. Or the strong safety got the check, but the free safety didn’t."

Most of the time, defenses don’t know what they’re doing.

If I tell Jared as a quarterback, "If the safety does this, you should automatically go to this," I’m not giving him rules that actually work. I’m giving him rules that are supposed to work. It doesn’t mean they do.

What I do is teach him what they’re trying to do. Therefore, if there is something easy within the progression and you want to take it, great, do that.

Otherwise, let’s go through the system and see if one, two, three, four and five are going to work if we’re dropping back like we’re supposed to.
 
FWIW - From the Texian School of Draftniks - Watching Goff presser, one thing I like about Jared is he has beady eyes (eyes close together). From my observance over the years, those folks who have beady eyes IMHO see better than those whose eyes are set further apart. Also liked his confidence and command of the situation.
 
WolverineFan said:
Inside perspective on Goff from former OC Tony Franklin

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dinator-dispels-myths-regarding-qb-jared-goff


Here is an excerpt to wet your beak...


When many look at the Air Raid—or Bear Raid—offense you helped craft over the years, it’s often referred to as a check-with-me offense with simple reads and throws. How do you react to those claims?

If you watch our offense, that’s not who we are. We want to run the football. We tried to run the football. If we can, we do run the football. We have a tremendous about play-action passes and big sets. We have sets with seven offensive linemen in the game at the same time. We have sets with two or three tight ends in the game.


We weren’t a check-with-me system. There are times in my career where I did that, because it helped us win games. But our offense now is built upon progression reads.


There are many plays when you watch Jared, he gets to his fifth progression. It’s a straight dropback system where he goes through his progression and tries to get to that fifth read within three seconds. If he doesn’t, he’ll be in trouble, because he’ll be sacked.


We do a tremendous amount of run-pass stuff where we have a run play called with a two- or three-route combination on it.


He’s taking the snap as the coverages take place, fitting the ball into the running back’s stomach and needs to make a decision whether he’ll hand the ball off or throw to the first or second read in the progression.


It’s all based on post-snap reads.

Another thing we do with him, he was able to change protections at any time. He was allowed to change the play at any time. He probably had to do more than any NFL quarterback does right now.

A lot of what Jared did: I call a play with two or three guys running routes within the play. Pre-snap, he can come up and change everything. He could change the play completely if he wanted to do so. He could just change the protection. Or he could wait until the ball is snapped and make a decision based on what the defense did.

I try to make everything simple for the quarterback, but it doesn’t mean it’s simple. It’s my job to make him believe what he’s doing is simple. So, we tried to teach in simplistic terms.

Instead of saying "when they’re in Cover 8 or 6 and the safety does this, you automatically do that," I didn’t give him automatics. We talked in theories. Theoretically, this is what they’re trying to do, but it doesn’t mean it’s going to work.

Ninety percent of defensive coordinators after something went wrong with a player say, "We misaligned. Or we didn’t get the check. Or the strong safety got the check, but the free safety didn’t."

Most of the time, defenses don’t know what they’re doing.

If I tell Jared as a quarterback, "If the safety does this, you should automatically go to this," I’m not giving him rules that actually work. I’m giving him rules that are supposed to work. It doesn’t mean they do.

What I do is teach him what they’re trying to do. Therefore, if there is something easy within the progression and you want to take it, great, do that.

Otherwise, let’s go through the system and see if one, two, three, four and five are going to work if we’re dropping back like we’re supposed to.
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I've mentioned similar things throughout the season about my observations of their offense. Happy to see it come from the horse's mouth.

I feel like I have a good sense of their offensive system, and if we're being honest, it's not too much different from what Brady runs in NE. Brady just has to make decisions against more complex looks and better athletes.

But hey, they line up in the shotgun and throw a lot, so it must be exactly like Mike Leach's Air Raid.
 
bah007 said:
I've mentioned similar things throughout the season about my observations of their offense. Happy to see it come from the horse's mouth.

I feel like I have a good sense of their offensive system, and if we're being honest, it's not too much different from what Brady runs in NE. Brady just has to make decisions against more complex looks and better athletes.

But hey, they line up in the shotgun and throw a lot, so it must be exactly like Mike Leach's Air Raid.
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I'm actually a fan of Josh Norris (Rotoworld). I think he gives consistently good insight on players and he has a good hit rate over the last few years, but he's been drumming the 'Goff runs a simple offense' drum for weeks now. Pretty disappointed in him giving such a lazy evaluation on someone who is considered one of this draft's more important prospects. You would think people would delve in deeper on a guy who is being talked about as a potential franchise QB. To just see him in shotgun and dismiss him is so so so lazy.
 
I wasn't impressed with Goff when I initially watched him.

Watched him again more recently and I think he's the best QB in this class.
 
thunderkyss said:
What do you like about him?
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I know you werent talking to me, but what i like about Goff are a few simple but underrated things I feel when projecting a QB to the next level. 1. his ball placement is the best in the class, he might not have the strongest arm, but he always puts the ball in the right place and leaves his receivers to make plays after the catch. 2. he might not be the most mobile, but he knows how to work the pocket really well. Really reminds me of a Brady or Manning in that regard slight step up, shift to the right etc just to buy enough time for someone to come open. 3. he can read and make adjustments.

These traits are why I want to like Cook when i watch some of his film, he shows this stuff. but then you put on the next tape and you wonder if someone stole his jersey and went out there
 
Shishkabob said:
I know you werent talking to me, but what i like about Goff are a few simple but underrated things I feel when projecting a QB to the next level.
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The main thing I like about Goff is how quick he seems to process information. & just about everything about him is quick. I normally don't like the happy feet thing, but with everything else he's got going on, it makes sense. He's always ready to get his feet under him & he's always ready to pull the trigger.

He's also good about reading a defense presnap & "knowing where the ball needs to go"
 
thunderkyss said:
What do you like about him?
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Well....

I thought besides the physical ability of Luck, he showed almost the same ability to play QB.

I thought he looked good in several situations I thought translated well to the NFL level. He handled pressure pretty well and showed some ability to escape and make plays off schedule. I saw him making NFL type of down field throws in the middle of the field and with defenders in the area. I thought his accuracy was really good for the most part. Good ball velocity and I just thought that he jumped off the screen as a crisp player.

That's the word I'd use to describe him....Crisp...

Now, I do get the uncomplex offense to some degree. I thought that at times, mostly from his 2014 clips the play calling got a little Oregon'ish.....Now I have no idea if Goff saw something and was switching to those plays on his own, but there were quite a few plays where he wasn't reading the whole field during the play or wasn't reading anything at all...design type plays....


But looking at his 2015 film I thought there were less of those types of plays and more of him sitting in the pocket and going through progressions down field. He seemed to make reads really quickly even against zone defenses which is impressive. He also seemed to have a great grasp of where his receivers were going to be.

He is really impressive IMO after actually getting a chance to watch more of him.

Edit: I'm going to agree with Bah's earlier statements in that I think he is the most impressive QB since Luck and I would give up a whole lot to move up and take him.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
My hands are the same size and could throw a HS football 60 yards . A pro football not so much because I didn't have the control . If it was warm and muggy maybe but if it was cold and dry , I threw some ducks . With long arms you have to be more of a dart thrower than a guy who pumps it in there .
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I'm under the understanding that hand size is related to ball control when you get hit. The guys with smaller hands tend to fumble more.
 
I'm under the understanding that plenty of guys with bigger hands have fumbled just as much or more than those with smaller.

Eh.
 
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Mollywhopper said:
I'm under the understanding that plenty of guys with bigger hands have fumbled just as much or more than those with smaller.

Eh.
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You seem to be correct.

However, from the article:
At the time ESPN researched that since 2008 there had been 39 quarterbacks who had been measured with a hand size of 9 1/4 or smaller; less than one-fifth of them had even gone on to start half a season in the NFL and none had made a Pro Bowl.
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The hand measurement being equated with fumbles is a myth. Evaluators hate the unknown. That's them just trying to place a value on something that can't be measured.

If you get rocked you're going to drop the ball. Guys that get rocked more often tend to have more fumbles.

On top of that, some guys just have the innate instinct to think about things like ball security even while their feet are flying over their heads. Some guys don't possess that instinct. The size of their hands don't value into that equation.
 
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I believe hand size for QBs is more related to bad weather. The thinking is a larger hand can spin the ball better in a cold bad wet climate and that does make sense. To be clear the only time I hear about QB hand size is when the measurement is < 9". There was some initial concern for Goff's hand size until he measured out with 9" hands and the gossip died and his hand became a moot point. I haven't heard any further discussion since.
 
WolverineFan said:
Smart move by Goff. Tank the interview with the Browns to avoid the graveyard. Gruden and Mariucci both spoke glowingly of Goff after their interviews so it's clear that he's capable of interviewing well.
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Hmm let's see go to the pit of despair which is Cleveland, or stay in the bay area where youre from at an organization with a rich qb history. Or really anywhere else in the league besides the Cleveland Browns lol
 
WolverineFan said:
Smart move by Goff. Tank the interview with the Browns to avoid the graveyard. Gruden and Mariucci both spoke glowingly of Goff after their interviews so it's clear that he's capable of interviewing well.
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That sounds highly probable.

And in case anyone thinks guys wouldn't do that.....Ted Johnson has openly admitted several times on the radio that he tanked his private work out for the Bengals in hopes that it'd deter them from drafting him. Said he wanted no parts of their organization.
 
Waiting for these top rated QBs to go all Elway and Eli and say they won't play for the Browns.
 
Texian said:
Closer to the Hominids.
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Not exactly what I was thinking, but that'd work.
 
Browns' Pep Hamilton throws water on Jared Goff's Pro Day:
https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/03/browns_pep_hamilton_throws_wat.html

Pro Day Tour: Cal QB Jared Goff Quells Doubts At Workout Session: http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2...l-qb-jared-goff-quells-doubts-workout-session


Jared Goff at Cal Pro Day 2016: Photos, Video Highlights and Reaction: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...day-2016-photos-video-highlights-and-reaction


Mayock: Jared Goff 'stepped up and put on a show' at pro day: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-goff-stepped-up-and-put-on-a-show-at-pro-day

Cal QB Jared Goff Says Pro Day 'Felt Good Overall': http://sanfrancisco.suntimes.com/sa...-qb-jared-goff-says-pro-day-felt-good-overall

More: https://www.google.com/search?q=jared+goff+pro+day&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=jared+goff+pro+day&tbm=nws


 
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Lol, the Cleveland team has been such a mess, it's kinda a shame because I always thought they had great fans. The dog pound and all. I would rather this be happening to Dallas, which I think is a great possibility as Jerry gets older and more senile, he may become more controlling like Al Davis did for Raiders
 
pirbroke said:
Lol, the Cleveland team has been such a mess, it's kinda a shame because I always thought they had great fans. The dog pound and all. I would rather this be happening to Dallas, which I think is a great possibility as Jerry gets older and more senile, he may become more controlling like Al Davis did for Raiders
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It seems the opposite is happening in Dallas, Jerry is starting to listen to the people he hired more and more. If he was going down the Davis route the cowboys would have Manziel instead of Martin
 
Shishkabob said:
It seems the opposite is happening in Dallas, Jerry is starting to listen to the people he hired more and more. If he was going down the Davis route the cowboys would have Manziel instead of Martin
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Yes he started listening to and doing what Stephen and the scouts saying and suggesting about 3 or 4 years ago.
 
I'm just the messenger, you will notice I have posted the GOOD, the BAD and the UGLY for all. Often without any commentary. In this case my point of view is 3 out of the 4 QBs listed were good to very good NFL QBs.
 
WolverineFan said:
If it's Saban's offense then why is Bama running hurry-up no-huddle and using giant sign cards as signals from the sideline? Saban has never ever done that before and it's exactly what Kiffin did at Tennessee and USC.
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Did you watch Saban today at SEC Days? Nick said that when Lane Kiffin came to Alabama he was not a no huddle coach. Saban said that he made the decision to use the no huddle offense because their Defense was at disadvantage being unable to practice against the No Huddle while Bama was playing more games vs No Huddle teams. That's why Alabama now occasionally runs a No Huddle. They use it to their advantage, mostly to make their Defense better, according to Nick.

SEC Network will be replaying Saban's SEC Days talk most of this evening.
 
Q. Nick, a few years ago you were very passionate about your dislike for no-huddle offenses because of concerns about safety for players and fatigue. The past couple years you have kind of changed -- you've used that more and step out of your comfort zone offensively. You hired Lane, kind of changed your offense. How difficult is that for you to make the decision to kind of go somewhat in a different direction but still incorporate some of the things that you do?

COACH SABAN: I think, first of all, Lane was really a no-huddle guy. That was something that we did philosophically because of the issues that it created for us, you know, defensively. And it was the rule. You know, just like I don't necessarily agree with the illegal man down field rule and a guy should be able to go seven yards down field on a pass play. I don't agree with that. But it is a part of our game. It is the rule.

So, for us to not use those plays is a disadvantage for us. All right. So even though we may not philosophically agree that this is the way football was meant to be played or should be played, if it creates issues for the other team and for the defense, and pace of play has been something that I think has done that, so have all of these run pass option plays that people run, then we need to use those things, too, or we're creating a disadvantage for ourselves.

It's been a work in progress for us to learn how to do that because we do not have an offensive coach on our staff that came from that background, came from that hurry-up, no-huddle offense. I think our coaching staff, including Lane, has done a fantastic job sort of developing a system that has been very effective for us in terms of what we've been able to do.

So it's the issues and problems that it creates that made us move in that direction, and that's what we will continue to do.

http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2016/07/what_alabama_coach_nick_saban_1.html
 
Texian said:
Q. Nick, a few years ago you were very passionate about your dislike for no-huddle offenses because of concerns about safety for players and fatigue. The past couple years you have kind of changed -- you've used that more and step out of your comfort zone offensively. You hired Lane, kind of changed your offense. How difficult is that for you to make the decision to kind of go somewhat in a different direction but still incorporate some of the things that you do?

COACH SABAN: I think, first of all, Lane was really a no-huddle guy. That was something that we did philosophically because of the issues that it created for us, you know, defensively. And it was the rule. You know, just like I don't necessarily agree with the illegal man down field rule and a guy should be able to go seven yards down field on a pass play. I don't agree with that. But it is a part of our game. It is the rule.

So, for us to not use those plays is a disadvantage for us. All right. So even though we may not philosophically agree that this is the way football was meant to be played or should be played, if it creates issues for the other team and for the defense, and pace of play has been something that I think has done that, so have all of these run pass option plays that people run, then we need to use those things, too, or we're creating a disadvantage for ourselves.

It's been a work in progress for us to learn how to do that because we do not have an offensive coach on our staff that came from that background, came from that hurry-up, no-huddle offense. I think our coaching staff, including Lane, has done a fantastic job sort of developing a system that has been very effective for us in terms of what we've been able to do.

So it's the issues and problems that it creates that made us move in that direction, and that's what we will continue to do.

http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2016/07/what_alabama_coach_nick_saban_1.html
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Looks like a smart coach, who is able to change with the times.
 
Rams plan to have Nick Foles in camp

Quarterback Nick Foles wasn’t part of the Rams’ offseason workouts after they made their move up the draft board to draftJared Goff with the first overall pick.

Coach Jeff Fisher said it wasn’t because Foles didn’t want to compete and called it “a mutual thing” related to Foles’ lack of a future in Los Angeles. Foles is expected to be back with the team for training camp, however.
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