Jared Goff

[thunderkyss]

Goff Likely to Start Season as #3 QB

So much for being the " most NFL ready QB in the draft". I'm so glad the Texans didn't trade up to get a QB in this draft. Goff may end up being a HOF QB, but he isn't what a lot of draftniks on this board made him out to be at this point in his career.

So what's this mean?

We knew he never played under center & that would be something he would have to work on. But with some teams spending 60% or more of their offense in shotgun, you wouldn't think it was "that" big a deal.

He still needs to be able to know & understand his play book, he still needs to be able to read defenses. So where is Jared Goff falling short? Has anyone actually broken down his play in his preseason appearances, or is it just the fact that he's 3rd string cause for alarm?

To me, it just says the Rams think they can win & the two QBs they've been working with, that they've actually had in games, give them a better chance to win. Most of the time, when a team is starting a rookie QB they've pretty much given up on making the playoffs this year & they're getting their young QB acclimated to the NFL. I understand Russell Wilson, RG3, & Andrew Luck took their teams to the playoffs as rookies, but I wouldn't be shocked to learn their coaches were just as surprised as we were when they did.

Case Keenum look good with the Rams. Sean Mannion looks good in the preseason. If I were a HC, I'd try to get to the playoffs with those two before I move on to Plan B.

 

[DocBar]

So what's this mean?

We knew he never played under center & that would be something he would have to work on. But with some teams spending 60% or more of their offense in shotgun, you wouldn't think it was "that" big a deal.

He still needs to be able to know & understand his play book, he still needs to be able to read defenses. So where is Jared Goff falling short? Has anyone actually broken down his play in his preseason appearances, or is it just the fact that he's 3rd string cause for alarm?

To me, it just says the Rams think they can win & the two QBs they've been working with, that they've actually had in games, give them a better chance to win. Most of the time, when a team is starting a rookie QB they've pretty much given up on making the playoffs this year & they're getting their young QB acclimated to the NFL. I understand Russell Wilson, RG3, & Andrew Luck took their teams to the playoffs as rookies, but I wouldn't be shocked to learn their coaches were just as surprised as we were when they did.

Case Keenum look good with the Rams. Sean Mannion looks good in the preseason. If I were a HC, I'd try to get to the playoffs with those two before I move on to Plan B.

It means I'm glad the Texans didn't mortgage their future by trading up to get him and that all those who said he was the most NFL ready were wrong.

I'm getting in an I told you so. Ha


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[PapaL]

Let me get this straight, the Rams aren't starting their Rookie QB and letting him sit the bench so they were wrong for drafting him #1? Isn't that what the better franchises and coaches usually do? I mean it is the Rams but still. Maybe I'm crazy but this seems like a good long term move.

 

[Mr teX]

It means I'm glad the Texans didn't mortgage their future by trading up to get him and that all those who said he was the most NFL ready were wrong.

I'm getting in an I told you so. Ha


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Being the tallest midget of all midgets doesn't make you tall amongst normal sized people...In this case Goff may have been the most ready & still not ready to start as an NFL qb.

 

[Texecutioner]

Let me get this straight, the Rams aren't starting their Rookie QB and letting him sit the bench so they were wrong for drafting him #1? Isn't that what the better franchises and coaches usually do? I mean it is the Rams but still. Maybe I'm crazy but this seems like a good long term move.

There is nothing to suggest that it is what the better franchises do. Some have good QB's there are already that can start while the rookie develops. Some Don't. I think the Rams are in a position to do that. There have been plenty of situations where the QB starts out the gate and does just fine. I don't think there is a perfect formula or a right or wrong way to do it. I think it just depends more on the situation and what other QB's are there and also what kind of Oline they have matters as well. It also depends on how well the young QB is absorbing things and how quickly they're responding to the change of speed in the NFL which they all say is the toughest adjustment to get used to. In this situation, I think the Rams are likely doing the smart thing.

 

[Texian]

There is nothing to suggest that it is what the better franchises do. Some have good QB's there are already that can start while the rookie develops. Some Don't. I think the Rams are in a position to do that. There have been plenty of situations where the QB starts out the gate and does just fine. I don't think there is a perfect formula or a right or wrong way to do it. I think it just depends more on the situation and what other QB's are there and also what kind of Oline they have matters as well. It also depends on how well the young QB is absorbing things and how quickly they're responding to the change of speed in the NFL which they all say is the toughest adjustment to get used to. In this situation, I think the Rams are likely doing the smart thing.

I think if Goff had established himself as the #2 or #1 QB in camp he would be the Rams #2 or #1 QB. I believe that in Jeff Fisher's mind Goff has demonstrated he is clearly the #3 QB in camp and that's why he's #3 QB on the depth chart.

 

[Mr teX]

Rams o-line is suspect as hell & every episode of hard knocks shows Goff getting lit up multiple times. Probably best they let him sit until they get that line tightened up...wouldn't want what happened to Wentz to happen to Goff as well.

 

[thunderkyss]

I think if Goff had established himself as the #2 or #1 QB in camp he would be the Rams #2 or #1 QB. I believe that in Jeff Fisher's mind Goff has demonstrated he is clearly the #3 QB in camp and that's why he's #3 QB on the depth chart.

I'm thinking that since Keenum has the most experience, he'll get the start. Since Mannion has the next most experience, he'll be #2. Since Goff has no experience... & he didn't do magic tricks in camp, he's the #3.

If the Rams struggle out the gate... 0-3, expect a QB change. Once they are mathematically out of contention, or things don't get any better, 0-6... expect a QB change.

I can even see a scenario where Keenum keeps them in the race until week 8 or 9 & they skip Mannion all together & start getting Goff ready for next season.

 

[DocBar]

I think if Goff had established himself as the #2 or #1 QB in camp he would be the Rams #2 or #1 QB. I believe that in Jeff Fisher's mind Goff has demonstrated he is clearly the #3 QB in camp and that's why he's #3 QB on the depth chart.

It's pretty difficult to tell how a college player is going to do in the NFL, isn't it?

 

[Mollywhopper]

It's pretty difficult to tell how a college player is going to do in the NFL, isn't it?

Wait, did I miss where Goff's career evaluation is now wrapped up?

 

[DocBar]

Wait, did I miss where Goff's career evaluation is now wrapped up?

I wasn't intending to imply that. He might end up having a great career.
I'm making more of a statement that Goff wasn't ready to come in and be the stud that a lot of members here thought he was. Neither is Wentz. I have nothing bad to say about them. Besides, it's kinda fun stirring the pot every now and then.

 

[Mollywhopper]

I wasn't intending to imply that. He might end up having a great career.
I'm making more of a statement that Goff wasn't ready to come in and be the stud that a lot of members here thought he was. Neither is Wentz. I have nothing bad to say about them. Besides, it's kinda fun stirring the pot every now and then.

Guess I don't remember many people saying he, or Wentz, would come in and be a stud right off the bat.

Could just be all the pot stirring this time of year's got my memory roasted.

 

[Texian]

It's pretty difficult to tell how a college player is going to do in the NFL, isn't it?

Just to be clear, Goff came out as a Junior. From a physical and mental standard he is still very young by NFL standards. Bodies for the most part physically mature around 25 and the brain doesn't achieve full maturity until about 27. One reason Belichick has an affinity for drafting the older guys. (yes I am aware there are exceptions) In addition Goff also came from a team that was not very good and a system that was not conducive to NFL style of play.

 

[corytx8]

Another word, I am too glad we didn't trade away multiple draft picks for a guy to sit out the first year or two........

 

[ChampionTexan]

Let me get this straight, the Rams aren't starting their Rookie QB and letting him sit the bench so they were wrong for drafting him #1? Isn't that what the better franchises and coaches usually do? I mean it is the Rams but still. Maybe I'm crazy but this seems like a good long term move.

Since the 2008 draft (and not counting this year), there have been 21 QB's selected in the first round. Of those 21, 14 were the opening day starter their rookie season. The 7 that weren't were Josh Freeman (Bucs), Tim Tebow (Broncos), Jake Locker (Titans), Blaine Gaebbert (Jags), Christian Ponder (Vikings), Blake Bortles (Jags), and Johnny Manziel (Browns).

While that doesn't necessarily answer your question of what good franchises do with first round QB picks, it does strike me that of the seven non-opening day starters, only one of them is someone you look at as potentially living up to his draft status (Bortles obviously). Of the other six, four of them are out of the league, and two of them are 49ers (unless Ponder's been cut in which case, five of them are out of the league).

 

[76Texan]

Since the 2008 draft (and not counting this year), there have been 21 QB's selected in the first round. Of those 21, 14 were the opening day starter their rookie season. The 7 that weren't were Josh Freeman (Bucs), Tim Tebow (Broncos), Jake Locker (Titans), Blaine Gaebbert (Jags), Christian Ponder (Vikings), Blake Bortles (Jags), and Johnny Manziel (Browns).

While that doesn't necessarily answer your question of what good franchises do with first round QB picks, it does strike me that of the seven non-opening day starters, only one of them is someone you look at as potentially living up to his draft status (Bortles obviously). Of the other six, four of them are out of the league, and two of them are 49ers (unless Ponder's been cut in which case, five of them are out of the league).

I don't think it means anything.
Out of those 7 guys, Bortles is the only guy I (and perhaps many people) figured to have a decent football career.

On the other hand, if you look at the previous ten years, the percentage of guys that didn't start day one having a decent to great career was much better.
There were only a few that started day 1, and one guy ended up being a big disappointment.
(I was talking about he who shall not be named LOL.)

So I don't think it really proves one way or another.

 

[infantrycak]

Not sure a rookie starting day 1 is so much a coaching philosophy as a function of the other QBs on the roster. Aaron Rodgers clearly was not going to start over Farve. Flipside every report was the Texans had no intention of starting Carr but he beat the very low bar of Tony Banks in camp.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Let me get this straight, the Rams aren't starting their Rookie QB and letting him sit the bench so they were wrong for drafting him #1? Isn't that what the better franchises and coaches usually do? I mean it is the Rams but still. Maybe I'm crazy but this seems like a good long term move.

If you want to redshirt him that's fine, but he isn't just sitting.. he isn't even backing up..He's last on the depth chart.. Which means he isn't even going to get reps in practice.. sorry, but something is up, it smells like a bust pick

 

[thunderkyss]

If you want to redshirt him that's fine, but he isn't just sitting.. he isn't even backing up..He's last on the depth chart.. Which means he isn't even going to get reps in practice.. sorry, but something is up, it smells like a bust pick

I don't think so. He's not getting team reps, but he'll be throwing on the practice squad. A perfect place for him to work on the fundamentals. Playing under center, footwork, reading defenses (he's going to be playing against the 1st team defense).

A project, I'd want on the practice squad for a year or two. Goff probably doesn't need to be there for very long, but if done right it could really help some of the muscle memory fundamental stuff.

The Rams obvious think they can win with this team as is. Goff is about the future. If he's third on the depth chart next season, then I'd be worried.

 

[PapaL]

If you want to redshirt him that's fine, but he isn't just sitting.. he isn't even backing up..He's last on the depth chart.. Which means he isn't even going to get reps in practice.. sorry, but something is up, it smells like a bust pick

They haven't even played a game yet and you're pulling out the bust word?
Seems like an overreaction to me. Long term investment there.

 

[Texian]

Since the 2008 draft (and not counting this year), there have been 21 QB's selected in the first round. Of those 21, 14 were the opening day starter their rookie season. The 7 that weren't were Josh Freeman (Bucs), Tim Tebow (Broncos), Jake Locker (Titans), Blaine Gaebbert (Jags), Christian Ponder (Vikings), Blake Bortles (Jags), and Johnny Manziel (Browns).

While that doesn't necessarily answer your question of what good franchises do with first round QB picks, it does strike me that of the seven non-opening day starters, only one of them is someone you look at as potentially living up to his draft status (Bortles obviously). Of the other six, four of them are out of the league, and two of them are 49ers (unless Ponder's been cut in which case, five of them are out of the league).

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 1m1 minute ago


Updated chart of when 1st-round qbs got their first start. Wentz becomes the 14th (of 24) to start opener since '08.

 

[Rockville]

Goff may one day be a solid NFL QB, but I feel like he's had the terrible misfortune of being drafted by Jeff Fisher. The next young quarterback developed by a Fisher staff could be the first. Well there was Steve McNair once upon a time, so Goff would be the second.

 

[PapaL]

I just have a feeling that after the VY fiasco Fisher is sitting his rookie and making him earn it. Goff could very well be a bust but it's entirely too early in the process to know.

 

[76Texan]

http://www.texanstalk.com/threads/wentz-goff-or-lynch.109665/

Wentz definitely has a better chance to start early.
He ran a pro system in college, and he ran it well.
The only question about him is the level of competition.

To even consider him when he was hurt should tell you how I feel about him.

 

[JB]

http://www.texanstalk.com/threads/wentz-goff-or-lynch.109665/

Wentz definitely has a better chance to start early.
He ran a pro system in college, and he ran it well.
The only question about him is the level of competition.

To even consider him when he was hurt should tell you how I feel about him.

Yeah probably, since he's already been named the starter

 

[Carr Bombed]

They haven't even played a game yet and you're pulling out the bust word?
Seems like an overreaction to me. Long term investment there.

He's playing like a bust so far so yes until he is atleast second string and is getting actual reps he is going to hold the bust label in my eyes...It's one thing to want to sit a young QB, it's another to bury him on the depth chart. You and Thunderkyss' assessment may eventually be correct one day, but as of now it's not... you don't draft a guy that high in the draft and then make him last on the depth chart at his position.. sorry, but something is going wrong.. so yes as of now something is up with that situation.

 

[Texian]

I'm going to hold my decision on Goff until after he has met the standard measuring stick of knowing what you got only after 20 NFL starts.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Didn't know you could be both a finished product and a work in progress at the same time.

 

[Texian]

"When the Rams open their season against the 49ers on Monday Night Football, No. 1 overall pick Jared Goff will be in street clothes and a punter will be the team's emergency third-string backup."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...e-for-rams-season-opener?campaign=Twitter_atn

I'm beginning to wonder that there may be more here than what meets the eye. As Kubiak use to say, "he needs to learn how to be a professional" I'm wondering if this may be the case here and Fisher is sending a message????

 

[thunderkyss]

I'm beginning to wonder that there may be more here than what meets the eye. As Kubiak use to say, "he needs to learn how to be a professional" I'm wondering if this may be the case here and Fisher is sending a message????

I'm thinking there's a disagreement in the Ram's FO about how good their team is. I assume the coaches believe they can win with Case Keenum. Manion can fill in if needed.

But if they start off 0-3, 1-4, I bet they scrap everything Goff will leapfrog Mannion & replace Keenum.

 

[infantrycak]

I'm thinking there's a disagreement in the Ram's FO about how good their team is. I assume the coaches believe they can win with Case Keenum. Manion can fill in if needed.

But if they start off 0-3, 1-4, I bet they scrap everything Goff will leapfrog Mannion & replace Keenum.

The FO is dealing with not just a #1overall pick but a Cali boy for a team that just moved back to Cali. It's a media bonanza. Fisher is ground and pound. Keenum can read a D and hand off the ball with the occasional ad lib (as long as you remind him which way is the LOS). Why throw Goff in when Keenum clearly has the playbook and speed down better? Really don't see this reflecting on Goff so much as Fisher and the makeup of the Rams.

Wasn't a Keenum fan boy here but gotta say I like how he's taking knowing he has already been replaced in stride and is riding the rook.

 

[thunderkyss]

I forgot about the media angle.

But the NFL is the NFL & some things never change. Teams expecting to win don't play rookie QBs. The Jags are a good example with the way they handled Bortles. They said all the right stuff, redshirting the #3 overall. They start 0-3 & all of a sudden he knows everything & won the team over & blah blah blah.

The Titans & Bucs knew they weren't winning anything & so they start their rookies right away.

 

[GermanTexan]

I think the Rams are doing the right thing with Goff.

A No.1 Draftpick has to prove a lot. But the team new to LA has first to prove itself. It would simply be too much for Goff. The new face of a franchise, in a new city, playing in your home area in the first game.

Its better to have the fans cry for Goff after a bad season start, than having a bad season start with the kid. and also its the better hollywood story when the young number 3 QB takes over and leads a team.

The only thing i really dont like is Fisher. I dont see the right coaches for Goff... And sitting behind Keenum and Mannion wont make him as good as sitting behind a Manning or a Favre, Rodgers or so....

 

[ATXtexanfan]

Put me on the Goff was screwed when drafted by fisher train. Defensive minded coach.