JaDeveon Clowney

[NastyNate]

I think you're referring to Nate who keeps bringing up Bortles in the Clowney thread.



as you like to say Nate....deal with it! You've admitted that your intent was to agitate, provoke and irritate, isn't that what a troll does?

Nate I know you're not a troll. In fact you are one of few that I know who reads most of my posts. Not only that but you can quote my posts from 2 years ago. Not many readers can do that. You really have to be one of my biggest fans. And to that I say Thank you and thanks for reading and please, keep reading.

So glad to hear, and fyi I've seen Carden play against garbage American conference opponents too. He's nothing special, guys mechanics are way off and his delivery is suspect. Plays in a spread shotgun offense that inflates his already menial stats. Another bad prospect that you're banging the drum for. Thank God you're not the Texans gm.

 

[Mari-OWNED!]

Legit amount of NFL snaps? How long will that take at a rate of one quarter every seven - or eight - games?

Do you really expect Clowney to be injured his entire career based off of the first half of his rookie year? Like I said before, give the guy a chance to prove himself before ostracizing him to Saint Helena.

 

[Runner]

Do you really expect Clowney to be injured his entire career based off of the first half of his rookie year? Like I said before, give the guy a chance to prove himself before ostracizing him to Saint Helena.

He hasn't had just one injury. He has had multiple injuries in a very short training camp/regular season career. His trend is well toward injury, not health. So yes, I expect him to miss significant amounts of time during his career.

 

[Mari-OWNED!]

He hasn't had just one injury. He has had multiple injuries in a very short training camp/regular season career. His trend is well toward injury, not health. So yes, I expect him to miss significant amounts of time during his career.

Well it's not like he was injured throughout his college career. (Other than the bone spurs) I'm willing to chalk this up as just a freak occurrence, but I guess I can't blame you if you don't. I just can't label the guy a bust seven games in, that's all. I don't care who it is.

 

[Texecutioner]

Well it's not like he was injured throughout his college career. (Other than the bone spurs) I'm willing to chalk this up as just a freak occurrence, but I guess I can't blame you if you don't. I just can't label the guy a bust seven games in, that's all. I don't care who it is.

For people who have studied and paid attention to Clowney and not the ridiculous hype and fiction that the media made out of him, you'd realize his history doesn't just involve injury potential issues, but an attitude of a poor work ethic and selfishness. That being combined with the amounts of injuries he has quickly collected, and I'm am more convinced than ever that he will be inconsistent asset to this team in the long run. Everything I've stated about him way before the draft is being displayed right in front of your eyes. Come on Clowney, prove me wrong. I double dare you.

 

[Texian]

For people who have studied and paid attention to Clowney and not the ridiculous hype and fiction that the media made out of him, you'd realize his history doesn't just involve injury potential issues, but an attitude of a poor work ethic and selfishness. That being combined with the amounts of injuries he has quickly collected, and I'm am more convinced than ever that he will be inconsistent asset to this team in the long run. Everything I've stated about him way before the draft is being displayed right in front of your eyes. Come on Clowney, prove me wrong. I double dare you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lplx8qmXHY

 

[Runner]

Well it's not like he was injured throughout his college career. (Other than the bone spurs) I'm willing to chalk this up as just a freak occurrence, but I guess I can't blame you if you don't. I just can't label the guy a bust seven games in, that's all. I don't care who it is.

Well, I'm not calling him a bust yet. However, I won't be surprised if he is a bust or if he substantially under performs his whole career.

 

[Texecutioner]

Well, I'm not calling him a bust yet. However, I won't be surprised if he is a bust or if he substantially under performs his whole career.

Personally I think that he'll be a guy that comes in when healthy and dominates here and there for a game or two, but when challenged by other great players and double teams he'll struggle and won't fight hard enough to dominate consistently. He'll do well and look great when things are easy for him. He'll have the same defensive mindset as Randy Moss did on offense, but will have way less success statistically than what Moss accomplished throughout his career. That is exactly what he was in college and so far what we are seeing up to this point.

He'll come back and he will make some great plays and you'll see people on this board talk him up and take shots at his critics when he does. It is coming. But, then you'll soon see him disappear again and the excuses for him will flow like waves as they did for Mario all of those years that he was here. He might have a great year or two where he puts up like 15 sacks and some big plays, but I'd bet my bottom dollar that he won't be some great player for ten years in the NFL like we all know that Watt is going to be. No one is even questioning that. NO ONE questioned that one bit when Watt got extended to that big contract, nor did they with AJ either. Clowney will be an off and on guy that will play great early on, but will disappear quite rapidly off and on which will ultimately make him a terrible #1 draft pick.

 

[Dan B.]

I don't get how he's proving himself to be inconsistent by being injured. How can you say we are seeing the same things from him as in college when we haven't seen him yet?

 

[Texecutioner]

I don't get how he's proving himself to be inconsistent by being injured. How can you say we are seeing the same things from him as in college when we haven't seen him yet?

Go back and read the Clowney threads before the draft and you can easily read how a few of us predicted this hook, line, and sinker. Guys who don't work that hard to take care of their bodies typically get injured a lot. The Bone Spurs issue was a glaring one that still bothers myself and many others, and that was a significant talking point about a potential problem that could flare up again and again.

The idiocy from folks who claimed that they felt like Clowney was smart for not working or playing hard because of the bone spurs and the potential injuries for why he didn't play that well that last year was the craziest justification I've ever heard from sports fans.

 

[klockWork]

Go back and read the Clowney threads before the draft and you can easily read how a few of us predicted this hook, line, and sinker. Guys who don't work that hard to take care of their bodies typically get injured a lot. The Bone Spurs issue was a glaring one that still bothers myself and many others, and that was a significant talking point about a potential problem that could flare up again and again.

The idiocy from folks who claimed that they felt like Clowney was smart for not working or playing hard because of the bone spurs and the potential injuries for why he didn't play that well that last year was the craziest justification I've ever heard from sports fans.

OK, everyone here is clearly frustrated at his injuries. But to blame his injuries due to his "work ethic" is ridiculous on many levels. How do you know he's not in the gym grinding it out doing whatever necessary to prepare to play football? How would you know something like that or otherwise? Are you working out next to him and see he's dogging it with his trainer? The man is built like a gladiator, you don't coincidentally look like that by playing Madden all day.

The fact is injuries like his can happen to anyone regardless of "work ethics". I'm so concerned about this I now wishes we drafted Kalih Mack.

 

[Texian]

Personally I think that he'll be a guy that comes in when healthy and dominates here and there for a game or two, but when challenged by other great players and double teams he'll struggle and won't fight hard enough to dominate consistently. He'll do well and look great when things are easy for him. He'll have the same defensive mindset as Randy Moss did on offense, but will have way less success statistically than what Moss accomplished throughout his career. That is exactly what he was in college and so far what we are seeing up to this point.

He'll come back and he will make some great plays and you'll see people on this board talk him up and take shots at his critics when he does. It is coming. But, then you'll soon see him disappear again and the excuses for him will flow like waves as they did for Mario all of those years that he was here. He might have a great year or two where he puts up like 15 sacks and some big plays, but I'd bet my bottom dollar that he won't be some great player for ten years in the NFL like we all know that Watt is going to be. No one is even questioning that. NO ONE questioned that one bit when Watt got extended to that big contract, nor did they with AJ either. Clowney will be an off and on guy that will play great early on, but will disappear quite rapidly off and on which will ultimately make him a terrible #1 draft pick.

Sounds like you're describing Aundray Bruce.

 

[Dan B.]

Go back and read the Clowney threads before the draft and you can easily read how a few of us predicted this hook, line, and sinker. Guys who don't work that hard to take care of their bodies typically get injured a lot. The Bone Spurs issue was a glaring one that still bothers myself and many others, and that was a significant talking point about a potential problem that could flare up again and again.

The idiocy from folks who claimed that they felt like Clowney was smart for not working or playing hard because of the bone spurs and the potential injuries for why he didn't play that well that last year was the craziest justification I've ever heard from sports fans.

It just seems like there's no way he can win with you. If he doesn't play in a game to recuperate he's lazy. If he plays through an injury he's not taking care of his body. You're basically saying that if he doesn't perform at the level of Watt he's a bust. That seems unfair and unrealistic to me.

 

[ObsiWan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lplx8qmXHY

Why didn't you post this one??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2QBLrA0OT4

 

[JB]

Why didn't you post this one??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2QBLrA0OT4

That one didn't make the point he's trying so desperately to make

 

[Texecutioner]

It just seems like there's no way he can win with you. If he doesn't play in a game to recuperate he's lazy. If he plays through an injury he's not taking care of his body. You're basically saying that if he doesn't perform at the level of Watt he's a bust. That seems unfair and unrealistic to me.

Do I have a lot of negative feelings about the guy already? Absolutely. I had those way before I ever thought he'd be a Texan. He certainly can win me over in due time Dan. That will be up to him. He had a pretty nice pre season when he actually played. I had the same thoughts about Mario for similar reasons, and I was never proven wrong by him and I'm a lot more worried about Clowney. The media put way to much emphasis on Clowney's greatness way before he ever achieved anything in college even. He had one great season as a sophomore and he instantly became the next Lawrence Taylor mainly all because of one highlight play. Sometimes when an athlete gets so much exposure early on and so much attention it ruins their ego and some guys never get humbled again after that.

Having 3 injuries before he even plays a full half is pretty damn alarming already though I'd say whether I liked him or didn't. I'm a firm believer in work ethic and mentality when it comes to NFL athletes though. I've seen far to many studs have average careers or end up as busts due to a poor work ethic and lazy mentality. Everyone doesn't want to be great or they do, but just not bad enough to put in the extra time that it takes. I think that Clowney is one of those guys. I want to be proven wrong though. NFL players make so much money that one big contract can make a lot of them play half ass a lot. Clowney shouldn't have been the #1 pick based on what he did last season. It was absurd that he was honestly especially with all of the negative reports that came from his own coaching staff in college. I never see that happening the way it did with him.

 

[Dan B.]

Do I have a lot of negative feelings about the guy already? Absolutely. I had those way before I ever thought he'd be a Texan. He certainly can win me over in due time Dan. That will be up to him. He had a pretty nice pre season when he actually played. I had the same thoughts about Mario for similar reasons, and I was never proven wrong by him and I'm a lot more worried about Clowney. The media put way to much emphasis on Clowney's greatness way before he ever achieved anything in college even. He had one great season as a sophomore and he instantly became the next Lawrence Taylor mainly all because of one highlight play. Sometimes when an athlete gets so much exposure early on and so much attention it ruins their ego and some guys never get humbled again after that.

Having 3 injuries before he even plays a full half is pretty damn alarming already though I'd say whether I liked him or didn't. I'm a firm believer in work ethic and mentality when it comes to NFL athletes though. I've seen far to many studs have average careers or end up as busts due to a poor work ethic and lazy mentality. Everyone doesn't want to be great or they do, but just not bad enough to put in the extra time that it takes. I think that Clowney is one of those guys. I want to be proven wrong though. NFL players make so much money that one big contract can make a lot of them play half ass a lot. Clowney shouldn't have been the #1 pick based on what he did last season. It was absurd that he was honestly especially with all of the negative reports that came from his own coaching staff in college. I never see that happening the way it did with him.

My biggest fear is that it ends up like a Mario situation. Mario Williams was, and remains, a damn good defensive lineman. We ran him out of town because the expectations were too high. IMO our defense would be top 10 today even without Clowney if we still had Mario next to Watt.

 

[Texecutioner]

OK, everyone here is clearly frustrated at his injuries. But to blame his injuries due to his "work ethic" is ridiculous on many levels. How do you know he's not in the gym grinding it out doing whatever necessary to prepare to play football? How would you know something like that or otherwise? Are you working out next to him and see he's dogging it with his trainer? The man is built like a gladiator, you don't coincidentally look like that by playing Madden all day.

You are wrong about that. There are a lot of black athletes that are built and look like gladiators with great genetics. I know a lot of them from working out at the gym and some I know really aren't that strong and hard working, but they look like animals. Some guys have great muscle genetics and some guys are built with hardly any definition, but are as strong as an ox. Some guys have the genetics and the freakish athleticism, but when they get to the NFL, they end up for a rude awakening because they have to put in tons of extra work that they haven't had to put in ever in their lives in HS or college football, and they can't handle it or simply don't want to handle it. I could name dozens of players like that who have come and gone.

And I'm basing the poor work ethic on what came out of his University staff who coached him for several years. They know more than anyone, and you can deny the reports that came out all you want and deny that any of them could possibly have any validity to them, but that is living in a world of rainbows and I don't choose to gloss over reports just because I don't want them to be true like you seem to be doing.

The fact is injuries like his can happen to anyone regardless of "work ethics". I'm so concerned about this I now wishes we drafted Kalih Mack.

I do wish that we went with Mack. That is who I wanted other than a QB. We needed an interior LB a hell of a lot more than we needed a guy like Clowney. Hell, Clowney doesn't even fit our scheme that well. I quiver at the idea of him dropping back into coverage.

 

[Texian]

Why didn't you post this one??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2QBLrA0OT4

Because here Spurrier was backtracking, walking back his original comments. Spurrier has done this on more than one occasion with Clowney (conditioning). First he says what he really means then later he comes back and tries to clean up the mess they made. His comments on how he really feels is more pertinent than watching him trying to make nice.

More often than not the reason Spurrier backtracks is the effect his comments have on potential recruits, some who may even be in house on their official visit.

 

[Texecutioner]

My biggest fear is that it ends up like a Mario situation. Mario Williams was, and remains, a damn good defensive lineman. We ran him out of town because the expectations were too high. IMO our defense would be top 10 today even without Clowney if we still had Mario next to Watt.

Mario is nothing of the sort. Never has been and never will be. Dude is still worthless. He gets his sacks here and there and pads his numbers to a certain degree, but he still doesn't get constant pressure on the QB, he doesn't have any leadership skills what so ever, and plays without passion. His team still sucks, and I've said it over and over that one great Dlineman isn't going to win championships for your team. We went 2-14 with Watt last season. Watt is having a monster year this year and is arguably the MVP, but this team is still a 500 type team. Clowney was a bad pick and Mario was as well. Mario was the biggest waste of money ever by the Bills. Horrible investment.

 

[Texian]

That one didn't make the point he's trying so desperately to make

Some understand the point much better than others and are not prone to hearing only what they want to hear instead of what is actually being said.

 

[thunderkyss]

My biggest fear is that it ends up like a Mario situation. Mario Williams was, and remains, a damn good defensive lineman. We ran him out of town because the expectations were too high. IMO our defense would be top 10 today even without Clowney if we still had Mario next to Watt.

I like Mario. Wish he was still here. He & Watt probably could have won us a Super Bowl in 2012. Probably wouldn't have gone 2-14 in 2013.

I think our defense would have been that good.

Still, don't understand why anyone would spend that much money on Mario. One of the better DEs in the NFL, sure. The best.... not really & that's best defensive player in the league money & he's a far, far cry from that.

 

[Texecutioner]

Why didn't you post this one??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2QBLrA0OT4

YOu sound like wife that gets cheated on, but constantly sticks up for her husband who is out with his mistress every other night, but feels bad because he is under a lot of stress. Lol!

You are really going to sit here and try to use comments after the fact where a HC is trying to back track and not make it seem so harsh on his player?? His original comments and reports that came from their camp were bad. They knew they were, but they were the truth. They didn't want to bash the guy and tarnish his drafting status, but they couldn't help but to be a little honest. Man, some of you guys consistently go out of your way to spin anything for the Texans coaching staff or the players here, and haven't figured out yet that your strategy of this has failed for years. Hell, you've been apologetic practically for every coach and player here for years Obi, and haven't seemed to realize that our team has stunk the entire time with the exception of two measly years. The majority of the time that you have done this sort of thing it has blown up in your face time and time again. The decisions of management on this franchise have for the most part been failures and your apologetic arguments for them time and time again have not been successful for the greater majority of the time.

 

[Texecutioner]

Some understand the point much better than others and are not prone to hearing only what they want to hear instead of what is actually being said.

It is pretty much common sense to anyone who isn't looking for any reason to spin it the other way. Guy says something that makes an employee look bad publicly, but doesn't want to do that. However, he still wants to be honest and give honest answers. Later on he realizes some of the damage it can cause and he words it a little differently and patches it up a little bit. Common practice in pretty much every human being's life who has a job and interacts socially with different people.

 

[ObsiWan]

Because here Spurrier was backtracking, walking back his original comments. Spurrier has done this on more than one occasion with Clowney (conditioning). First he says what he really means then later he comes back and tries to clean up the mess they made. His comments on how he really feels is more pertinent than than watching him trying to make nice.

It looked to me like the initial Spurrier rant was initiated because he heard "I can't play" from Clowney - at what seemed to be at the last minute - instead of from the medical staff.
Once he got conformation from the med staff that Clowney had a serious medical condition, Spurrier "cleared the air" and, to his credit, said he handled the situation poorly.

The fact was that Clowney was hurt and shouldn't have played.

now if you want to go down the "Clowney is injury prone" path, you have legit ammo for that angle

 

[Norg]

Mario is, no were near a, good or da, best de is, time here or in Buffalo

 

[Dan B.]

Mario is nothing of the sort. Never has been and never will be. Dude is still worthless. He gets his sacks here and there and pads his numbers to a certain degree, but he still doesn't get constant pressure on the QB, he doesn't have any leadership skills what so ever, and plays without passion. His team still sucks, and I've said it over and over that one great Dlineman isn't going to win championships for your team. We went 2-14 with Watt last season. Watt is having a monster year this year and is arguably the MVP, but this team is still a 500 type team. Clowney was a bad pick and Mario was as well. Mario was the biggest waste of money ever by the Bills. Horrible investment.

We would have two defensive linemen, and Mario wouldn't have to be the leader. He was 4th in sacks in the NFL last year and is 10th so far this year. The Bills have arguably one of the top three defensive lines in football, easily top 5, and Mario is the lynchpin. He is anything but worthless. Mario and Watt side by side would be an absolute nightmare to defend against.

 

[Lucky]

Still, don't understand why anyone would spend that much money on Mario.

A lot of it had to do with Buffalo having to overpay to get a top FA. It's not South Beach.

 

[Texecutioner]

We would have two defensive linemen, and Mario wouldn't have to be the leader. He was 4th in sacks in the NFL last year and is 10th so far this year. The Bills have arguably one of the top three defensive lines in football, easily top 5, and Mario is the lynchpin. He is anything but worthless. Mario and Watt side by side would be an absolute nightmare to defend against.

Mario couldn't carry Watt's jockstrap on his best day. They aren't even in the same galaxy. Mario would get his tail whipped by Justin Tuck or Pierre Paul in a second as well. I could go on and on. Mario doesn't get constant pressure. Teams don't have to think heavily and go out of their way to strategize on how they're going to avoid Mario Williams. They never have. He is a big name guy because he was the #1 draft pick and because he got a huge contract that he didn't deserve. Big tall freakish looking DE's are by far the most overrated guys in the NFL. There is always a few that get way overhyped before the draft, and so many that end up disappointing teams after big contracts. When you get a great one that has an endless motor like Watt, Pierre Paul, Allen, or Tuck then yeah they are a cornerstone player for your team, but Mario's motor is garbage. It was in college and it has been his entire career in the NFL. Every few games he plays all out, and he gets a few sacks or he plays like one half makes a few plays and then disappears for god knows how long.

The Bills still stink and no one really worries about their defense when they play them. Mario is the exact opposite of "nasty" when it comes to big mean defensive lineman that QB's hate to play against.

 

[Texian]

It looked to me like the initial Spurrier rant was initiated because he heard "I can't play" from Clowney - at what seemed to be at the last minute - instead of from the medical staff.
Once he got conformation from the med staff that Clowney had a serious medical condition, Spurrier "cleared the air" and, to his credit, said he handled the situation poorly.

The fact was that Clowney was hurt and shouldn't have played.

now if you want to go down the "Clowney is injury prone" path, you have legit ammo for that angle

I think the real reason Spurrier back tracked and tried to clean the South Carolina Rose Garden had more to do with making an impression on incoming recruits. The truth be known Spurrier's original comments is how he really felt about how Clowney announced right before the game that he wasn't going to play.

 

[Texecutioner]

It looked to me like the initial Spurrier rant was initiated because he heard "I can't play" from Clowney - at what seemed to be at the last minute - instead of from the medical staff.
Once he got conformation from the med staff that Clowney had a serious medical condition, Spurrier "cleared the air" and, to his credit, said he handled the situation poorly.

The fact was that Clowney was hurt and shouldn't have played.

now if you want to go down the "Clowney is injury prone" path, you have legit ammo for that angle

Do you hear yourself sometimes? This is very silly attempt to apologize for Clowney's efforts. IF he couldn't play then he shouldn't have played, but either way it's nothing but excuses at the end of the day for a guy that was warned about before this season and look at what has already happened.


You aren't obtuse to the point that you can't understand that a college HC's agenda has to stay towards getting new recruits and their staff had to be extremely careful at how they navigated their communication towards Clowney through the media knowing it could sabotage potential recruit efforts. They play in the SEC, and that could become a huge detriment towards dealing with parents and potential players. Not that I really needed to explain the obvious to you though.

 

[Dan B.]

Mario couldn't carry Watt's jockstrap on his best day. They aren't even in the same galaxy. Mario would get his tail whipped by Justin Tuck or Pierre Paul in a second as well. I could go on and on. Mario doesn't get constant pressure. Teams don't have to think heavily and go out of their way to strategize on how they're going to avoid Mario Williams. They never have. He is a big name guy because he was the #1 draft pick and because he got a huge contract that he didn't deserve. Big tall freakish looking DE's are by far the most overrated guys in the NFL. There is always a few that get way overhyped before the draft, and so many that end up disappointing teams after big contracts. When you get a great one that has an endless motor like Watt, Pierre Paul, Allen, or Tuck then yeah they are a cornerstone player for your team, but Mario's motor is garbage. It was in college and it has been his entire career in the NFL. Every few games he plays all out, and he gets a few sacks or he plays like one half makes a few plays and then disappears for god knows how long.

The Bills still stink and no one really worries about their defense when they play them. Mario is the exact opposite of "nasty" when it comes to big mean defensive lineman that QB's hate to play against.

I agree that he's no Watt. But even you have to admit he'd be better than Mercilus and Reed NEXT TO Watt. The Bills have a top 10 defense this year -- far better than Tuck's Raiders, where the cornerstone of the team has 1 sack all year. What happened to his non stop motor? Justin Tuck had success playing next to Pierre Paul and Osi (which is where I believe Mario would shine too). We'll see if he can be a cornerstone by himself, but he never has been one before. IMO both Tuck and Williams are Robins, not Batmen.

 

[Texian]

Do you hear yourself sometimes? This is very silly attempt to apologize for Clowney's efforts. IF he couldn't play then he shouldn't have played, but either way it's nothing but excuses at the end of the day for a guy that was warned about before this season and look at what has already happened.


You aren't obtuse to the point that you can't understand that a college HC's agenda has to stay towards getting new recruits and their staff had to be extremely careful at how they navigated their communication towards Clowney through the media knowing it could sabotage potential recruit efforts. They play in the SEC, and that could become a huge detriment towards dealing with parents and potential players. Not that I really needed to explain the obvious to you though.

Here's the obvious, make no mistake that Nick Saban, Mark Richt and every other head coach in the SEC is saying to every recruit, you can be the best recruit in the country but do you really want to go to South Carolina where the head coach will bash and ridicule you in a public press conference?

It was pure unadulterated "Damage Control" by Spurrier. Nothing more. He was reading from a 3 X 5 card on what exactly he needed to say.

 

[Texecutioner]

I agree that he's no Watt. But even you have to admit he'd be better than Mercilus and Reed NEXT TO Watt. The Bills have a top 10 defense this year -- far better than Tuck's Raiders, where the cornerstone of the team has 1 sack all year. What happened to his non stop motor? Justin Tuck had success playing next to Pierre Paul and Osi (which is where I believe Mario would shine too). We'll see if he can be a cornerstone by himself, but he never has been one before. IMO both Tuck and Williams are Robins, not Batmen.

I don't call Tuck a robin at all. Dude was a freaking beast, and I think he was better than Osi in his best years there. I think Osi was the Robin if anyone was on that team. Osi was the Robin originally to Strahan and Tuck became the 3rd guy that they would rotate at DE and DT. Tuck was so versatile that he was able to play both positions. In both of those SB runs Tuck to me was the most devastating lineman they had other than maybe Pierre Paul in that 2nd run they had. Tuck is not performing this year in Oakland, but is that really a surprise? All of these guys play like garbage once they get to the atmosphere of that franchise. Look at all of those high priced free agents Oakland went out and got, and one single guy is performing well. Not that it is right by Tuck and it shouldn't be an excuse for him either, but I figured that Tuck might drop off the planet once he signed with them. Tuck has been a monster though for the majority of his career and he was a cornerstone player of that defense that got two SB rings.

And I'm' not saying that Mario is a bad player. He is a good player but not a great one. He isn't a guy that is ever going to make OC's worry and spend a lot of time on how to strategize to keep away from him. He gets a few sacks here and there, but that is about it. When he played here in Houston, I hardly ever knew if he was in the game or not. When I watch Watt play, I'm continually amazed with this guy. I used to get similar feelings watching Jared Allen when he first got to Minnesota.

 

[ObsiWan]

I think the real reason Spurrier back tracked and tried to clean the South Carolina Rose Garden had more to do with making an impression on incoming recruits. The truth be known Spurrier's original comments is how he really felt about how Clowney announced right before the game that he wasn't going to play.

That's what I just said. Spurrier was irritated because he heard it at the last minute. And he heard it from the player instead of the medical staff. It was obvious he was pissed. When he got the facts from his med staff, he calmed down and tried to straighten out the mess.

 

[Texian]

That's what I just said. Spurrier was irritated because he heard it at the last minute. And he heard it from the player instead of the medical staff. It was obvious he was pissed. When he got the facts from his med staff, he calmed down and tried to straighten out the mess.

No when he got word from his recruiting coordinator is when he changed his tune. He then back tracked and read from a 3X5 card what his recruiting coordinator and his SID wrote for him say. IT WAS DAMAGE CONTROL. The mess he was trying to straighten out was all the ammunition he had given to Saban Richt, Miles and every other college head coach in the south.

 

[thunderkyss]

No when he got word from his recruiting coordinator...

Doesn't matter. Makes no sense arguing about it. What's done is done & I'll hope for the best.

 

[ObsiWan]

Do you hear yourself sometimes? This is very silly attempt to apologize for Clowney's efforts. IF he couldn't play then he shouldn't have played, but either way it's nothing but excuses at the end of the day for a guy that was warned about before this season and look at what has already happened.

You aren't obtuse to the point that you can't understand that a college HC's agenda has to stay towards getting new recruits and their staff had to be extremely careful at how they navigated their communication towards Clowney through the media knowing it could sabotage potential recruit efforts. They play in the SEC, and that could become a huge detriment towards dealing with parents and potential players. Not that I really needed to explain the obvious to you though.

I'm sure there was some damage control going on in the follow-up presser. My point was Clowney was hurt and wasn't being a prima donna. As I said before, if you want to go down the "Clowney is injury prone" path, there's lots of ammo for that angle. Hell, Doc warned us.

And, I'll remind you again, I wanted to draft Matthews or Robinson at 1-1 if we weren't going to get a QB.
Orrr to trade down and get Mack because I was nervous about how Cushing would come back from his injury. And even if Cush came back whole we still only had a bunch of JAGs at ILB along side him.

But what's done is done. He's a Texan now and I'd rather he heal up and play like a demon than to be able to say "I told you so" because he's a bust.

 

[Nitrofish]

Why didn't you post this one??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2QBLrA0OT4

Because it doesn't fit his narrative.

I posted comments on this and it was ignored because it pointed out that guys Spurrier said was so great at work ethic were also currently injured and have been injured for the last few years missing lots of game time. I said, it seems even guys with great work ethic get injured.

Once someone gets a bias, it's hard for them to let it go and just wait to see what happens. Most likely there is another reason for this bias such as the OP wanted a different player selected 1:1 and it is as simple as that. They then use anecdotal quotes and clips to try to support their claims and leave out, or explain away anything that does not support their theory.

 

[steelbtexan]

You are wrong about that. There are a lot of black athletes that are built and look like gladiators with great genetics. I know a lot of them from working out at the gym and some I know really aren't that strong and hard working, but they look like animals. Some guys have great muscle genetics and some guys are built with hardly any definition, but are as strong as an ox. Some guys have the genetics and the freakish athleticism, but when they get to the NFL, they end up for a rude awakening because they have to put in tons of extra work that they haven't had to put in ever in their lives in HS or college football, and they can't handle it or simply don't want to handle it. I could name dozens of players like that who have come and gone.

And I'm basing the poor work ethic on what came out of his University staff who coached him for several years. They know more than anyone, and you can deny the reports that came out all you want and deny that any of them could possibly have any validity to them, but that is living in a world of rainbows and I don't choose to gloss over reports just because I don't want them to be true like you seem to be doing.



I do wish that we went with Mack. That is who I wanted other than a QB. We needed an interior LB a hell of a lot more than we needed a guy like Clowney. Hell, Clowney doesn't even fit our scheme that well. I quiver at the idea of him dropping back into coverage.

You do realize that Clowney's S&C coach at S.Carolina is the Texans S&C coach. So if your correct the Texans are in far more trouble than just Clowney. (Clowney's Soph yr.)

You have done a great job of setting up Clowney to fail in your own mind though.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

It's sort of funny that when you look at the chronology of events relating to Calvin Johnson (who today will be missing his 3rd game due to a high ankle sprain), you can substitute virtually point by point all the instances of the week of October 5 relating to his practices, related tweets, comments by the player himself, comments by the head coach, pregame videos, and ultimate game time unavailability for Clowney's last week............just found it interesting.

Calvin Johnson Injury: Updates on Lions Star's Ankle and Return

 

[Runner]

Because it doesn't fit his narrative.

I posted comments on this and it was ignored because it pointed out that guys Spurrier said was so great at work ethic were also currently injured and have been injured for the last few years missing lots of game time. I said, it seems even guys with great work ethic get injured.

Once someone gets a bias, it's hard for them to let it go and just wait to see what happens. Most likely there is another reason for this bias such as the OP wanted a different player selected 1:1 and it is as simple as that. They then use anecdotal quotes and clips to try to support their claims and leave out, or explain away anything that does not support their theory.

We are all biased. Imagine if the Titans had the #1 pick last year and picked Clowney, and then everything played out the same with him. All these fair minded posters who see nothing wrong with Clowney as a Texan would be screaming, "bust" if he wore Titans laundry, and could "logically" support that stance.

Most likely there is another reason for this pro-Clowney bias such as the poster (delete "OP") wanted him ("delete a different player") selected 1:1 and it is as simple as that.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

I didn't originally want clowney. I wanted teddy. But I'm excited by the guys potential. In hindsight, clowney at 1 and tb at 32 would have been perfect for me. No Sua filo, but hey. No someone else...maybe fido....but hey. I like those guys but I'd have liked a move up even more. I'm good with clowney though.

 

[infantrycak]

I said I didn't want Clowney because of injury concerns but I'm not ready to call him a bust.

 

[Runner]

I said I didn't want Clowney because of injury concerns but I'm not ready to call him a bust.

As I stated earlier, I wouldn't label him a bust yet. Maybe he does get his health back. However, I think a future of injury after injury is more likely for him than game after game of relative good health and positive game impact.

I think anyone who claims this is a freak one-time injury that says nothing about his durability is just as far off as those claiming he is a bust.

 

[Runner]

Even if Clowney does bust due to injury, it won't be a total bust.

He can take home the Bennie Joppru Memorial Plaque.

 

[jaayteetx]

Per the Texans website, the clown is playing today.

 

[Marcus]

Let's see if he can get through the entire game today without getting himself injured.

 

[Lucky]

Let's see if he can get through the entire game today without getting himself injured.

And every other Texan, while they're at it.

 

[hradhak]

What's the over under on snaps for Clowney? I'm thinking 15 is where he ends up.