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JaDeveon Clowney
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Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
The man is being realistic. We aren't making the playoffs. This is a crap division so there won't be a wild card coming out of the south and unless Andrew Luck gets hurt we aren't going to win the division either. This is a QB driven league and the guy that we have at the wheel is Ryan Fitzpatrick.. wake up.
Vance87
All Pro
Actually being a crap division helps us. The WC is based off of standings and not what division you're in.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Okay that's all well and good, but to declare the season "a wash" when we're 3-3 instead of 0-6 is absolutely ridiculous. Especially when, as you say, we're in a crap division so four wins against the Titans and Jaguars would mean we'd probably have to win two other games out of six other ones and guaranteed we'd be at least in the hunt for the Wild Card. At the very least it would be meaningful football right down to Week 16 and 17, and frankly, given where we were last year, I'd be good with that.
Beating the Steelers tonight would do ****ing wonders for that.
Yes, I know the end game isn't competing for the playoffs and it's to win a Super Bowl and blah blah yada yada whatever whatever. Declaring a season over before the seventh game has even kicked off when you're 3-3 is nonsense and a horrendous mentality.
Truth
But the fan in me still says they can win 10 games.
Did you see how crappy the Bengals/Browns looked yesterday? I sure hope the Texans get to play a Green-less Bengals team.
Vance87
All Pro
IF we can sweep the Tacks and the Jags that's 4-0. All we need to do is get 3 wins somewhere else, and that's 10 wins. Bengals? Browns? Can we beat the Ravens? Can we freaking win in Indy?
Overall, I agree with what you're saying. I don't agree that this season is a wash, or a tune up. I believe this season will set the tone of O'Brien's tenure. Are we going to do everything in our power to win, or are we going to be ok with "moral victories"?
If Clowney can't go, he can't go. But he's not the only one injured on this team.
Again, I'm not suggesting he shouldn't play if any of the things CnD suggests are true. If he can't cut, because the knee isn't strong enough. If he's experiencing abnormal pain.
But if it's "just" in his head, if the knee has been there everytime he's asked it, but he's cautious.... he should play.
Vance87
All Pro
He just needed to pee.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I'm squarely tongue in cheek on that one .
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
NastyNate
I go kerplunk
Negative, his reporting is way off base. I would NEVER trust Kollman with any info. He just changed his statement like 5 different times.
I drink as much koolaid as the next guy. More than some. But I'm not even looking that far ahead. For me, it's not that we are 3-3 that gives me hope, but that we had the ball on a game winning drive to end two other games before shooting ourselves in the foot.
Props to the Cowboys & Colts, but we did that to ourselves.
I honestly was looking forward to being 5-1 right now, that didn't happen. Still, if we can win two of the next three before the bye, 5-4, with seven games to go, I'd feel a whole lot better about 9-7.
For me, that starts tonight. The Steelers look vulnerable & right now, beating the Steelers & Titans is easier to see than beating the Titans & Eagles.
Then there's that. Game film's out. People know who's who & what's what... game planning is about to take on a whole knew meaning & the pretenders will be separated from the contenders.
No, I don't think we're contenders yet. But I think (hope) we can be.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I say the season is a wash because we simply don't have adequate players to win a super bowl. So what if we make the playoffs? I mean that's great and everything, but we've been there and done that and this team isn't going to win an AFC Championship game this season. It just isn't.
So, that to me, is a wash. Perhaps that isn't the version of "wash" others are thinking of, but it's my version. I been watching the Oilers, Gamblers, and Texans since the mid 60s and until we win a damn super bowl every season is a wash.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
He's officially inactive.
https://twitter.com/taniaganguli/status/524334228159606785
I guess just hold him out until after the bye week.
And Thorn, your definition of "wash" is horrendous. We went 2-14 last year. Everyone should be nutting over themselves to compete for the playoffs this year. You can't win a Super Bowl if you can't contend for the playoffs, ok?
https://twitter.com/taniaganguli/status/524334228159606785
I guess just hold him out until after the bye week.
And Thorn, your definition of "wash" is horrendous. We went 2-14 last year. Everyone should be nutting over themselves to compete for the playoffs this year. You can't win a Super Bowl if you can't contend for the playoffs, ok?
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
My definition of "wash" is excellent, if I do say so myself. LOL
I know what you are trying to say, and yeah, it'd be great to see some real live improvement and contention for a playoff spot this December. That would make the season exciting sure, but without a trophy, it's an exciting season AND a wash.
And don't try and argue with me, you know how I am.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Interesting.
This would be in direct contradiction to what the guy has been telling JB.
Va. Tech played Pitt there last Thursday (10/16).
Norg
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finally someone who gets its this, is year one in the Bob Era. And on top of that this is Houston sports we don't do a, one year turn around like Kansas City or indy .... lol.
One of the things I love about this game, is that you never know. 9-7 teams backing into the play offs, then winning the Super Bowl. Rookie QB & coaches making it to back to back AFC Championship games. Trent Dilfer winning a Super Bowl.
I'd like for Jj Watt to win the MVP. Won't happen if he can't take us to the play offs.
I'd like for Aj to be a first ballot HOFer, a big game in the play offs will help & let's be honest, he's only got so many more opportunities.
There is absolutely no reason Arian Foster & Jj Watt can't take us to a Super Bowl... we'll, if we make it to the play offs that is.
NastyNate
I go kerplunk
It's all smoke and mirrors.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Honestly, I can't take those Braddock comments seriously. I know it happens, but I just can't imagine a player let alone an nfl rookie that would rather not play. And then having teammates call him out so quickly and vrabel. He'd have to be so obviously healthy and refusing to play for all those people to start calling him out. That stuff didn't add up to me.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
If Clowney returns 100% and becomes a wrecking ball playing next to Watt, given our schedule, we could very well make the playoffs this year. I'm hoping that's the case. But this is a very incomplete team. If Clowney lives up to his potential, along with Watt and our running game, and somewhere a fricking QB, yeah, I can see us making serious noise. But that that's with a QB we haven't seen play yet and Clowney kicking ass.
You can't be upset with the mediocrity that's been Houston Texans football & be ok with shutting down & getting ready for next season this soon. That attitude breeds mediocrity.
Jj Watt is going out there to win the game today. It would help him if he had Clowney with him. (again, I'm not talking about rushing Clowney back, if he's ready, he's ready).
Win this game, win the next game & we're 5-3 halfway in..
Kansas City is 3-3 right now, the Colts are 4-2... if you are what your record says you are & we're 3-3... 4-3 if we win, I think we're well on our way to being like KC & Indy. We may not win 11 games like they did, but we should be just as competitive.
Bottom Line:
Fitzpatrick is still the starting QB. Until that's fixed the season is doomed.
Clowney can't even finish drills
DRILLS!!
What damage will he do - or will be done to him - with 300-lb linemen pushing him directions his body cannot go in drills with no opposition?
fiasco west
All Pro
Good to see the organization come to their senses here (if it was ever in doubt that is) no way you play him. We have to think of the long term with players like Clowney. Other guys just have to step up, Clowney coming back too early only would be devastating to the kids psyche. He's already had enough injuries as it is.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
I'm going to talk to him about all of this. One thing I know is he's not irresponsible. Doesn't add up.
I guarantee you there will be a very incomplete team in one of the Conference Championship games. Happens every year... or almost every year. The play offs are where legends are made. Your David Tyree, Joe Flacco, Larry Fitzgerald making up for all the holes on that team, or heck... Jacoby Jones making up for all the holes on that team.
We'll never be perfect, we'll never not have a hole or two. That's not the point. It's about finding a bunch of guys playing above what they are. Playing to be great.
Now if we were the Jags... it would be different. We're close enough to be able to do more than 6-10.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Hey braddock's source could be correct. I don't know. Just doesn't make sense to me.
Mercilus ought to have a career game. The Steelers have been preparing for Jd all week.
It's like when you're expecting the fast ball & they throw the change-up.
It's like when you're expecting the fast ball & they throw the change-up.
Dishman
Miss Ya Blue
Doomed to what?
I say the season is a wash because we simply don't have adequate players to win a super bowl. So what if we make the playoffs? I mean that's great and everything, but we've been there and done that and this team isn't going to win an AFC Championship game this season. It just isn't.
So, that to me, is a wash. Perhaps that isn't the version of "wash" others are thinking of, but it's my version. I been watching the Oilers, Gamblers, and Texans since the mid 60s and until we win a damn super bowl every season is a wash.
This is exactly how I feel. This isn't going to be the yr. Would I like them to make the playoffs? Yes, Would I like to see if Mallett/Savage are future at QB more? Yes
until and unless Futz gets his act together, this season is doomed to mediocrity
Fitz has sufficient weapons around him but it seems to take at least a quarter, if not a half, for the offense to get cracking.
Having to come from behind all the time doesn't seem like a recipe for success or a ticket to the playoffs to me.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Yeah. Damn that guy for not practicing or playing on an injured knee. #Bust
(Insert proper emoticon here)
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Just before the game (read bottom to top):
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MightyTExan
It's go time!
Meh, I don't expect to see him play this season. Still have bone spurs to deal with? We're reaching rock bottom if we're anticipating an injured rookie to help us start winning games.
Wouldn't really comp him with other rookies.
He looked really good against the 1's in preseason.
We shall see.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I heard when OB said that.
I didn't think Clowney and Mercilus could play together, but if Mercilus keeps balling Reed may be the odd man out.
They didn't pick Clowney #1 overall to sit him on the bench behind Mercilus and Reed. That's for sure.
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