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JaDeveon Clowney

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stingray said:
He had a very average game. Came close to sacking the qb a couple times. But honestly, i thought he gave up several times after his initial rush was stopped.
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Yeah saw that too, but for now im just taking it as him getting gassed due to not playing. Folks have to relax, this was only his 2nd game he's played in; hasnt even completed 2 full games yet.
 
You guys have unrealistic expectations for someone coming off a knee injury on their first game back in mid season.
 
I think he had a decent game...Name wasn't really mentioned one way or the other.

Be interesting to see how he looks on better film.

At least all Clowney does is win.. :chef:
 
I was very pleased with his play and he chased a RB a couple times. Knocking off rust and not being injured further is a plus; game had to be good for his confidence.
 
DocBar said:
Who expected JDC to come out today and really produce? Should I start a poll?
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I would never expect a 1/1 draft pick of the Texans to produce until sometime in his third season. Anything else is unrealistic and unfair. Unfair to the player, the coaches, and most of all Rick Smith.
 
Basically what you saw today is what you will get out of Clowney I think. He will play longer but impact not much different.
 
Runner said:
I would never expect a 1/1 draft pick of the Texans to produce until sometime in his third season. Anything else is unrealistic and unfair. Unfair to the player, the coaches, and most of all Rick Smith.
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You're trying to bullshit a bullshitter.
 
Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli
Clowney on what [former Michigan/current Titans LT Tayloe] Lewan said to him: "He was like, 'You ain’t coming off like you used to.' I was like, 'Don’t come at me like that.'" #Texans
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Runner said:
I would never expect a 1/1 draft pick of the Texans to produce until sometime in his third season. Anything else is unrealistic and unfair. Unfair to the player, the coaches, and most of all Rick Smith.
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sarcasm right? signed Sheldon.
 
stingray said:
He had a very average game. Came close to sacking the qb a couple times. But honestly, i thought he gave up several times after his initial rush was stopped.
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"Average" game for a rookie on his 2nd game in his career coming off a injury is pretty good.

He hasn't lit up the league yet, but Watt and Mario didn't light up the NFL in their 2nd games either. Give him time, if he stays healthy he'll be fine I think.
 
What you see is what you get, a low impact player that may make a couple of great plays in each game. This is what they wanted this is what they got. It is what it is.
 
humblegeo said:
What you see is what you get, a low impact player that may make a couple of great plays in each game. This is what they wanted this is what they got. It is what it is.
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No offense, but this statement is ridiculous man. JJ Watt didn't set the world on fire his rookie season. It wasn't until late in the seasons/playoffs when he started to come out.
 
He ain't no JJ Watt. JJ Watt is in a class of his own. That's why Watt makes 1 million per game. Clowney can certainly strive to one day be another JJ Watt.
 
Specifically, watched him very carefully to try to make an honest evaluation.

He was not as explosive as he was pre injury.

He looked half-way decentl as long as it was straight........until he hit obstruction. Running fast in a straight line is different than running fast in a straight line against resistance (when stress is placed on the knees).

Once he met obstruction, the O either stopped him, pushed him back or led him to the outside in a wide circle around the QB (he had no ability to cut inside).

He basically played only on the right (because rushing from the left would have placed most of the stress on his left knee specifically on the lateral meniscus).

Nothing looked glaringly bad because he wasn't really tested much since (whether planned or not) most of the offensive plays were away from his side going up the middle and to the (O's) right.

He played exactly like I expected him to play.........like he shouldn't have been out there yet.

I certainly don't believe that this game is any look into Clowney's future performance. However, short-sightedness in rehab approach could create a Clowney that stays close to today's performance for a much longer period of time.

Let's just hope we don't see a regression in his potential progress, nor in the next week or so hear of his knee turning more painful, filling with fluid and being drained.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Specifically, watched him very carefully to try to make an honest evaluation.

He was not as explosive as he was pre injury.

He looked half-way decentl as long as it was straight........until he hit obstruction. Running fast in a straight line is different than running fast in a straight line against resistance (when stress is placed on the knees).

Once he met obstruction, the O either stopped him, pushed him back or led him to the outside in a wide circle around the QB (he had no ability to cut inside).

He basically played only on the right (because rushing from the left would have placed most of the stress on his left knee specifically on the lateral meniscus).

Nothing looked glaringly bad because he wasn't really tested much since (whether planned or not) most of the offensive plays were away from his side going up the middle and to the (O's) right.

He played exactly like I expected him to play.........like he shouldn't have been out there yet.

I certainly don't believe that this game is any look into Clowney's future performance. However, short-sightedness in rehab approach could create a Clowney that stays close to today's performance for a much longer period of time.

Let's just hope we don't see a regression in his potential progress, nor in the next week or so hear of his knee turning more painful, filling with fluid and being drained.
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thanks as always, if I want a straight to the point no non-sense answer to all things Texans you are my source. I couldn't agree more with assessment. then I watched some of the Viking game & I'm thinking OMG Anthony Barr is the real deal, doh :homer:
 
Texian said:
I think you're referring to Nate who keeps bringing up Bortles in the Clowney thread.



as you like to say Nate....deal with it! You've admitted that your intent was to agitate, provoke and irritate, isn't that what a troll does?

Nate I know you're not a troll. In fact you are one of few that I know who reads most of my posts. Not only that but you can quote my posts from 2 years ago. Not many readers can do that. You really have to be one of my biggest fans. And to that I say Thank you and thanks for reading and please, keep reading.
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I can't remember what I said two posts ago, much less what anyone else said two years ago. Anyone who can has my respect.
 
Straight rush, no jump cut.

Drew penalty on Lewan 2nd play -- facemask.

Double teamed, not showing COD.

Bull rush, gained ground but bypassed.

Tried swim over move -- first lateral attempt -- left his feet & neutralized.

Bull rush. Bull rush.

Left side inside overload stunt.

Bull rush tripped fell.

Moved across the face of LT inside and gingerly pulled up.

Held edge, pass away from him INC.

Left side, nothing

Left side stunt, nothing

Outside rush, hands to his face not called, pushed past pocket lost his feet

Jump inside across the T/G, stoned

Outside rush with spin, grabbed (last two plays no burst)

Left side contain rush, play was away, ball out quick

LOS spin attempt no lateral offset -- getting gassed

Jumped across the T, missed the runner by a hair

Bull rush doubled, up on his tippy toes

Inside move straight line stoned/gassed

Couple of marginal effort moves, hand fighting needs work

Near sack, went for swipe, hook hold by Lewan no call

Contain rush, no impact

Outside rush, outside spin try, outside the play

Good effort plays, 3 step quick ball outs

Burst was not there. Could see his protecting knee early. Got gassed a few times, out of game shape. Mostly straight line force. Got some nice push early, didn't bring a second tool most of the times. Glad he wasn't injured, nobody crashed into the side of his leg.
 
I thought the rookie looked impressive. He showed toughness & heart. Yeah, that Mettenberger has a bright future in this league.
 
Several things I got from the Chronicle this morning: He was nervous about his knee going into the game, the knee was a little sore after the game, he did take a shot on the knee, and he says this is the first time he's had a serious injury.

All in all, I would consider this game a good progressive step in his return to effective play. Now we just need to see if any of doc's concerns show up this week. And then see if he continues to show improvement against Philly and comes out of the game in good shape. He'll then have the bye week to give the knee a rest - opportune timing.
 
man I miss the old football players not all of them but some of them would play with injuries fine with list and list of stuff wrong with there body

but anyway one thing I did notice on some pays clown was out physical that rookie T he would bull rush and slide him back like 6 inches

didn't show much tho maybe he needs some time I think he will be better after the bye
 
Happy to see Clowney get some much needed reps under his belt. Hopefully he can push a little harder next week and help rattle Foles on the way to a Texans victory!
 
He looked like he was guarding his knee. He was very timid around piles. He had a decent game and flashed his quickness. Offers 1 million times more than Reed as a pass rusher even hurt.
 
Mr teX said:
Yeah saw that too, but for now im just taking it as him getting gassed due to not playing. Folks have to relax, this was only his 2nd game he's played in; hasnt even completed 2 full games yet.
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We are 8 games into the season and he hasn't completed 2 full games yet. I guess that is part of the problem why I can't relax. Sports hernia, concussion?, knee injury non-contact? anything I am missing?
 
gafftop said:
We are 8 games into the season and he hasn't completed 2 full games yet. I guess that is part of the problem why I can't relax. Sports hernia, concussion?, knee injury non-contact? anything I am missing?
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Just that you can't blame him for that. Like the sports hernia. I think he was going to play on it, but the Texans' medical staff & coaches decided it was better for him to have the surgery. Concussions happen, that's part of the game. & the non-contact knee... at least he wasn't jacking around like that Bears player.

I get it. It doesn't bother me that Bridgewater plays well. I had no doubt that he was ready to play, that's he's got a high football IQ. We knew that. I'm worried about his ability to be on the field & play.

Big guys get hurt too. I know that. But it's less likely. Drafting Bridgewater #1 overall, then him not be able to be there when the team needs him... totally different.

Clowney's had a bad start to his NFL career due to injury, but I'm willing to bet money that he'll miss less games than Bridgewater & Bridgewater missing one game will have a bigger impact than Clowney missing two or three.
 
thunderkyss said:
Just that you can't blame him for that. Like the sports hernia. I think he was going to play on it, but the Texans' medical staff & coaches decided it was better for him to have the surgery. Concussions happen, that's part of the game. & the non-contact knee... at least he wasn't jacking around like that Bears player.

I get it. It doesn't bother me that Bridgewater plays well. I had no doubt that he was ready to play, that's he's got a high football IQ. We knew that. I'm worried about his ability to be on the field & play.

Big guys get hurt too. I know that. But it's less likely. Drafting Bridgewater #1 overall, then him not be able to be there when the team needs him... totally different.

Clowney's had a bad start to his NFL career due to injury, but I'm willing to bet money that he'll miss less games than Bridgewater & Bridgewater missing one game will have a bigger impact than Clowney missing two or three.
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Not sure what Bridgewater has to do with my post?
My post has to do with the person saying RELAX about Clowney. Clowney at best may be Mario and if so he will not have a huge impact and we will not resign. Too many reasons NOT to draft Clowney 1.1 in my opinion.
 
Playoffs said:
Straight rush, no jump cut.

Drew penalty on Lewan 2nd play -- facemask.

Double teamed, not showing COD.

Bull rush, gained ground but bypassed.

Tried swim over move -- first lateral attempt -- left his feet & neutralized.

Bull rush. Bull rush.

Left side inside overload stunt.

Bull rush tripped fell.

Moved across the face of LT inside and gingerly pulled up.

Held edge, pass away from him INC.

Left side, nothing

Left side stunt, nothing

Outside rush, hands to his face not called, pushed past pocket lost his feet

Jump inside across the T/G, stoned

Outside rush with spin, grabbed (last two plays no burst)

Left side contain rush, play was away, ball out quick

LOS spin attempt no lateral offset -- getting gassed

Jumped across the T, missed the runner by a hair

Bull rush doubled, up on his tippy toes

Inside move straight line stoned/gassed

Couple of marginal effort moves, hand fighting needs work

Near sack, went for swipe, hook hold by Lewan no call

Contain rush, no impact

Outside rush, outside spin try, outside the play

Good effort plays, 3 step quick ball outs

Burst was not there. Could see his protecting knee early. Got gassed a few times, out of game shape. Mostly straight line force. Got some nice push early, didn't bring a second tool most of the times. Glad he wasn't injured, nobody crashed into the side of his leg.
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So it was a very good outing!
 
Norg said:
man I miss the old football players not all of them but some of them would play with injuries fine with list and list of stuff wrong with there body

but anyway one thing I did notice on some pays clown was out physical that rookie T he would bull rush and slide him back like 6 inches

didn't show much tho maybe he needs some time I think he will be better after the bye
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yep all those old guys who cannot walk (like Campbell), all those old guys who are brain addled or in dementia, or their fingers are broken so many times they cannot write or hold a coffee cup handle. Those that are on lifetime pain medication....or HOF Mike Webster.

Yet in a series of scientific papers from 2003 to 2009, members of the NFL's Mild Traumatic Brain Injury Committee wrote that "no NFL player" had experienced chronic brain damage from repeated concussions. The committee, first formed in 1994, asserted that NFL players were different than boxers, whose susceptibility to brain injuries caused by the sport has been documented since the 1920s.

"Professional football players do not sustain frequent repetitive blows to the brain on a regular basis," members of the NFL committee wrote in a December 2005 paper in "Neurosurgery," the official journal of the Congress of Neurological Surgeons.

However, board documents obtained by "Outside the Lines" and "Frontline" show that the NFL retirement board determined in 1999 that repeated blows to the head had left Webster, who spent most of his 17-year career with the Pittsburgh Steelers, "totally and permanently" disabled. The board based its finding on the diagnoses of five doctors, including a Cleveland neurologist hired by the board to examine the player. The doctors described Webster as "childlike" and showing signs of dementia.

"The Retirement Board determined that Mr. Webster's disability arose while he was an Active Player," wrote Sarah E. Gaunt, director of the NFL's retirement plan, in a May 8, 2000 letter to Fitzsimmons. The medical reports, she wrote, "indicate that his disability is the result of head injuries he suffered as a football player with the Pittsburgh Steelers and Kansas City Chiefs."
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http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...-injuries-even-officials-issued-denials-years

Yep some of those good old boys who would just shut up and play.
 
gafftop said:
Not sure what Bridgewater has to do with my post?
My post has to do with the person saying RELAX about Clowney. Clowney at best may be Mario and if so he will not have a huge impact and we will not resign. Too many reasons NOT to draft Clowney 1.1 in my opinion.
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Now the bold is just your opinion which you have the right to, but most people I listen to like coaches and GMs active and not say Clowney could be a generational type player and well worth the #1 pick.
 
badboy said:
yep all those old guys who cannot walk (like Campbell), all those old guys who are brain addled or in dementia, or their fingers are broken so many times they cannot write or hold a coffee cup handle. Those that are on lifetime pain medication....or HOF Mike Webster.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...-injuries-even-officials-issued-denials-years

Yep some of those good old boys who would just shut up and play.
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The players know the risk. Let them sign a waiver and play football the way it was meant to be played. Not this current version of AFL football God'ell is selling as NFL football.
 
gafftop said:
Not sure what Bridgewater has to do with my post?
My post has to do with the person saying RELAX about Clowney. Clowney at best may be Mario and if so he will not have a huge impact and we will not resign. Too many reasons NOT to draft Clowney 1.1 in my opinion.
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Considering the other two options were Reggie Bush & Vince Young, Mario Williams was definitely worth the #1 pick. Mario & Watt (today's version anyway) on the same D-line would have been insane. If Clowney reaches his potential we will have the best D-line in the game easily.
 
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