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Jacoby's Gotta Go/**UPDATE**Released
- Thread starter Mr. White
- Start date
Totally understand the argument between a rookie & a 5 year vet..... but Jacoby was trying to make a play as well. A dumb one, but he was trying to make a play.
I think the ball never should have hit the ground to begin with. He should have fair caught it.
& to be fair, Jacoby turned the ball over once. Tj... 3 times. I think that wipes out the "rookie" vs vet argument.
& on top of that, by half-time, we were back in control. Only down by 4 points. It doesn't make sense to blame that game on Jacoby Jones. There were a dozen plays in the second half that we should have made, that would have made up that 4 point difference.
lol! That's funny because Jacoby has been our 'dropped ball' example for years when I throw the football with my boy!
Really? This year was a good year for Jacoby, concerning punts & fumbles.
burn it, thats silly. i'll trade it for a pack of cigs and a quart. oh wait, a jumbaco[/QUOTE]Sometimes you must stand on principal and burn that SOB to cold, dead ashes; which is what Jones has become to me. I will never use the affectionate JJ in regards to him ever again. I hope he gets cursed with in-grown toe nails and bad teeth.
K
kingh99
Guest
You might get Blackmon trading Jacoby and Leinart but I'm even more optimistic about getting him with Jacoby, Leinart, used toilet paper, a used snot rag and a preserved hemorroid. And if the other team still plays hard to get, go all in and add a used dildo signed by Rosie ODonnell. The other team's GM will be putty in your hands presented with that array of talent.
I bet you could fingerprint that used dildo and find the source of Jone's fumblitis...just sayin...
Joe Texan
Inducted 04
Hey Jacoby cost us 7 points and he made a huge mistake in a playoff game. He probably has his days numbered in Houston and that is by his own doing but for idiots that want to make threats to him on twitter, it is A football game and you win and lose but there is no room for bonehead dumbasses tweeting death threats to anyone. Just saying
Dishman
Miss Ya Blue
burn it, thats silly. i'll trade it for a pack of cigs and a quart. oh wait, a jumbaco[/QUOTE]
As far as I a concerned the jumbaco is a legitimate form of currency.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
A 1987 style Polaroid picture of a burned Jacoby Jones jersey is worth more on Ebay than a actual Jacoby Jones jersey right now.
SheTexan
Hall of Fame
I'm no huge JJ fan, but, I gotta say this. Has anyone stopped to think how bad JJ feels for what he did? NO EXCUSES, I know that, but, if some of you are hating on him so much, I bet he is hating on himself even more. JJ acts before he thinks, and has been doing that since day one with our team. He made a very stup*d mistake in a crucial game, but, that boy loves our team as much as anyone else. Part of his problem is that he gets TO friggin excited and can't seem to calm himself down. Young, immature, whatever, but, I bet he hurts more than anyone. I feel bad for the boy, I really do!
silvrhand
All Pro
I feel bad just like I do for people at work that just can't figure how to advance their career. The NFL is full of physically gifted athletes that can't put it together mentally or whatever piece is missing.
That's just the nature of the business.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I do NOT feel sorry for Jacoby Jones....sorry.
This is not the first time he's made a boneheaded mistake like this and if anybody else was this incompetent at their jobs they would've been fired a long time ago, the only difference is when he does it he has to hear the outcry of a entire fan base.....but that just goes back to "to whom much is given (millions of dollars) much is expected".
He didn't just "muff a punt". This isn't just a guy who dropped a kick or failed to field a kick. This is a guy who already screwed up on the play and the ball already hit the ground....what is every high school football player taught to do when they fail to field the ball in the air? What he did Sunday was gross negligence and frankly there was no excuse for it, especially since it wasn't the first time it happened to him and wasn't the first time he was disciplined for it. It's basically the equivalent of a guy who shows up on the job drunk and he's told to never do it again....he does it a couple of more times and then the last time he does it, he ends up getting another coworker (in this case 52 other coworkers) critically injured. GROSS NEGLEGENCE....that is what pretty much sums up that play.
Sorry, I have no sympathy for Jones. He's made a fortune despite being completely incompetent and there will still be another 31 "companies" he can submit his resume to....I just hope he's no longer employed here.
This is not the first time he's made a boneheaded mistake like this and if anybody else was this incompetent at their jobs they would've been fired a long time ago, the only difference is when he does it he has to hear the outcry of a entire fan base.....but that just goes back to "to whom much is given (millions of dollars) much is expected".
He didn't just "muff a punt". This isn't just a guy who dropped a kick or failed to field a kick. This is a guy who already screwed up on the play and the ball already hit the ground....what is every high school football player taught to do when they fail to field the ball in the air? What he did Sunday was gross negligence and frankly there was no excuse for it, especially since it wasn't the first time it happened to him and wasn't the first time he was disciplined for it. It's basically the equivalent of a guy who shows up on the job drunk and he's told to never do it again....he does it a couple of more times and then the last time he does it, he ends up getting another coworker (in this case 52 other coworkers) critically injured. GROSS NEGLEGENCE....that is what pretty much sums up that play.
Sorry, I have no sympathy for Jones. He's made a fortune despite being completely incompetent and there will still be another 31 "companies" he can submit his resume to....I just hope he's no longer employed here.
I am pretty sure he feels crappy about what happened. Anyone with a shred of competitive spirit would feel terrible. The thing about JJ is that he has been sub par to mediocre for far too long and honestly, I would feel a lot better if he is feeling like crap about his mistakes on a different team.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
Yep. I'm sure he didn't mean to do it and he feels terrible, but it's time he felt bad about crap like that somewhere else. While he's at it, he can feel terrible about never learning to make a cut, and therefore run all his routes right instead of just the ones that don't require a cut. And then there's the dropped passes...
Geez, go away.
I guess I'll stick up for Jacoby...
I lambasted him when he did that. It was a stupid move. Very stupid. BUT he did the same thing against the Bengals and I didn't here nary a complaint.
Jacoby needs to be taken off of punt duties. That's pretty much the end of it.
Yes he drops some passes, but who doesn't? It's not like all the receivers on the team are killing it and Jacoby is the ugly duckling. Jacoby does some bad things, but he also does some good things. His run blocking has been tremendous this year. Now I'm the first person to say that a WR's run blocking is not something that should be a deciding factor, but I don't think his routes are all that bad either.
Earlier in the year when Shammy was at QB he managed to make Ed Reed look foolish and had him twisting in circles before he caught that long bomb for a TD.
The opening play against Tampa was a pretty good play by Jacoby too.
Dude has made some plays here.
I think part of his problem and part of KW's problem is that they don't have defined roles (or at least as far as I can tell they don't). That is a big problem as far as the QB knowing what is going on with the guys he has on the field.
JMO.
I lambasted him when he did that. It was a stupid move. Very stupid. BUT he did the same thing against the Bengals and I didn't here nary a complaint.
Jacoby needs to be taken off of punt duties. That's pretty much the end of it.
Yes he drops some passes, but who doesn't? It's not like all the receivers on the team are killing it and Jacoby is the ugly duckling. Jacoby does some bad things, but he also does some good things. His run blocking has been tremendous this year. Now I'm the first person to say that a WR's run blocking is not something that should be a deciding factor, but I don't think his routes are all that bad either.
Earlier in the year when Shammy was at QB he managed to make Ed Reed look foolish and had him twisting in circles before he caught that long bomb for a TD.
The opening play against Tampa was a pretty good play by Jacoby too.
Dude has made some plays here.
I think part of his problem and part of KW's problem is that they don't have defined roles (or at least as far as I can tell they don't). That is a big problem as far as the QB knowing what is going on with the guys he has on the field.
JMO.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
Yes, Jacoby runs SOME routes really well. However, I want to see him make a cut. I don't think I've ever seen that. It would be neat to just see it once. Nevermind, just let him go.
Speaking of wide-outs judged simply on their run-blocking, isn't that about all that's keeping Walter on the field these days? I hate to bash him, but dude disappeared for basically the whole season.
Speaking of wide-outs judged simply on their run-blocking, isn't that about all that's keeping Walter on the field these days? I hate to bash him, but dude disappeared for basically the whole season.
I agree.
It would be nice to get a good FA #2 and maybe a promising rookie WR this offseason.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
It shouldn't be too hard to get rid of Jacoby, just punt a ball to him and tell him the end zone is Houston, and he'll run it back to in Dallas in a few hours.
No way Dutch, that's north, maybe El Paso or Atlanta.
Again....
He did the same thing against the Bengals. No one complained then.
As a matter of fact, he had done that a couple of times this year. On a few occasions he actually got pas the first line of defenders and picked up decent yardage.
I'm not arguing that it wasn't stupid. I think it was, and I thought it was every time he did it, but I too was guilty of not saying anything about it because...well...it worked...
He hadn't muffed one punt all season and I began to let my guard down regarding him returning punts...and then in the biggest game of the season...BAM....He muffs the punt...then the next series he muffs another...Then he fumbles one out of bounds...
Again, all year he had been sure handed on returns and in this one game in the span of three possessions he had more bad plays back there than he'd had all year.
Maybe he was nervous.
About the Bengals game, are you referring to the one where the ball hit the ground and he caught it on its way up? If so, I was raging about that in front of my TV and the announcers were like "WTH?!? He was lucky he caught it!" The strange thing about sports is there is a fine line between hero and zero. If JJ had caught that and ran it for good yardage or even a TD, he would be a hero. Instead he fumbled it and became a zero. That being said, a wide out has no excuse for botching a punt return, especially during the playoffs and in a game where our margin of error was essentially none.
^^^^
This
Sad thing is JJ was looking like he was going to be a star until Hunter (the Punter) Smith broke JJ's collar bone. After that JJ went into a 5yr abyss of of failure. (Fumbles, bad route running, dropped passes, afraid to go across the middle ect...)
JJ was nervous. LOL
If he was so nervous that he was unable to do his job then he should've been replaced and cut after the game. The crap with JJ has gone on for too long. He needs to be cut before TC.
Dont feel sorry for JJ. He's made his millions and partied like it's 1999 in the process. For a man with so little intestinal fortitude he's done quite well for himself. Party On JJ. PT Barnum once said there's a sucker born everyday. In this case that would be Rick and Gary.
Good Riddance
It says something that a guy who's been in the NFL for 5 yrs, in the biggest game of his career, his one contribution was he happened to be standing around awhen AF fumbled and he fell on it. Where was this great blocking people keep talking about on that play?
LOL, see ya JJ.
New Orleans
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
I started this thread during the first Cincinnati game when Jacoby pulled up on the bomb from Yates. I hope everyone that thinks this a knee-jerk thread over the muffed punt takes a look at when it was started.
He got his contract, so this was the season he was supposed to "get serious." The last straw for me was after the Oakland game when he was supposed to step in for AJ. Schaub targeted him 11 times and he only caught 1 ball for 9 yards. The guy was such garbage that we had to bring in Jurassic Mason.
I understand why some people in this thread are sticking up for him. He's been here 5 years, you guys got his jersey, you guys know his mom, and you guys have probably even met him a few times. But it's time to face facts. The guy isn't trying to get better. As a matter of fact, he's way worse now than he was his rookie year.
Just another guy that got his contract and mentally checked out.
He got his contract, so this was the season he was supposed to "get serious." The last straw for me was after the Oakland game when he was supposed to step in for AJ. Schaub targeted him 11 times and he only caught 1 ball for 9 yards. The guy was such garbage that we had to bring in Jurassic Mason.
I understand why some people in this thread are sticking up for him. He's been here 5 years, you guys got his jersey, you guys know his mom, and you guys have probably even met him a few times. But it's time to face facts. The guy isn't trying to get better. As a matter of fact, he's way worse now than he was his rookie year.
Just another guy that got his contract and mentally checked out.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Just because someone has a lot of money doesn't mean that I can't feel for them...
But that said...I don't feel for Jacoby...
I never said that I did...It was a dumb play. Period.
But that's not why he needs to never be our primary punt returner again...
There was concern about JJ this season:
Jacoby Jones is just not a good WR - started 10-09-2011
Here's the thread from the summer when they resigned him:
Jacoby Jones has re-signed with Houston
And one of my takes about the deal:
And I was not proven wrong!!
The basic fallacy of your argument is comparing a punt returner to a QB.
The former has one freakin' job, and it's simple. Make one of three choices: fair catch the ball, catch and run, or let it bounce until downed.
SIMPLE!!!
You know as well as I do that the complexities of the QB position on this team is 1000x more demanding and complicated than being a return man.
And the return guy? A FIVE YEAR VETERAN!
It's not even apples and oranges. It's comparing marshmallows to a Corvette. Not even close to being comparable.
No disrespect, dude, but this is just laughable take. We were not in control with a four point deficit against a Ravens defense. Being in control usually means that a team has a lead. But, the Texans never had the lead after 3-0 and Jacoby gift wrapped a turnover to basically give the Ravens a TD and momentum in the game.
It does not make sense TO YOU. But the majority of Texans fans vehemently disagree with you and see it for what it was in terms of score and momentum.
Teams play different with a lead as compared to a deficit. If Schaub was QB, I'd tend to agree with you. But, you are asking an inexperienced rookie QB to make plays against a great defense as some kind of justification for letting Jacoby off the hook for his stupid decisions?
I won't disagree with you, simply because you quantified your statement with "for Jacoby".
But, dude is a liability to this team and ultimately helped deflate this team and be one of the reasons they are not playing next Sunday in Foxboro.
Objectively speaking, TJ certainly shares part of the blame. However, he played how folks expected him to play. And in that regard, Jacoby Jones played like I expected him to play, too.
Jacoby Jones is just not a good WR - started 10-09-2011
Here's the thread from the summer when they resigned him:
Jacoby Jones has re-signed with Houston
And one of my takes about the deal:
Me said:
And I was not proven wrong!!
The basic fallacy of your argument is comparing a punt returner to a QB.
The former has one freakin' job, and it's simple. Make one of three choices: fair catch the ball, catch and run, or let it bounce until downed.
SIMPLE!!!
You know as well as I do that the complexities of the QB position on this team is 1000x more demanding and complicated than being a return man.
And the return guy? A FIVE YEAR VETERAN!
It's not even apples and oranges. It's comparing marshmallows to a Corvette. Not even close to being comparable.
No disrespect, dude, but this is just laughable take. We were not in control with a four point deficit against a Ravens defense. Being in control usually means that a team has a lead. But, the Texans never had the lead after 3-0 and Jacoby gift wrapped a turnover to basically give the Ravens a TD and momentum in the game.
It does not make sense TO YOU. But the majority of Texans fans vehemently disagree with you and see it for what it was in terms of score and momentum.
Teams play different with a lead as compared to a deficit. If Schaub was QB, I'd tend to agree with you. But, you are asking an inexperienced rookie QB to make plays against a great defense as some kind of justification for letting Jacoby off the hook for his stupid decisions?
I won't disagree with you, simply because you quantified your statement with "for Jacoby".
But, dude is a liability to this team and ultimately helped deflate this team and be one of the reasons they are not playing next Sunday in Foxboro.
Objectively speaking, TJ certainly shares part of the blame. However, he played how folks expected him to play. And in that regard, Jacoby Jones played like I expected him to play, too.
drs23
Veteran
fify
Brandon420tx
Flounder
I like the second post in that thread
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1732116&postcount=2
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
You hate to hang it on one guy... they win together and they lose together. Having said that I cannot understand why he was anywhere near that ball and over the last month I have noticed him trying to play that game of waving other players off as if to say do not touch it, only to grab the ball at the last second and try to make something exciting happen. Well he finally succeeded in that I guess.
Boneheaded play and I do not see him on the team next season.
Boneheaded play and I do not see him on the team next season.
I see what you're saying.
I'm sure Jacoby feels bad.. real bad. But some of the stuff we're reading on this board, twitter, whatever.... is juvenile bull.
It's just a game, & some people obviously have too much invested.
Jacoby was a good punt returner this year. Obviously the big stage was just too big for him. But it's ridiculous (imo) to blame the loss of a 60 minute game on an muffed punt that happened 5 minutes in.
We were only down by 4 at the half, that doesn't put any undue "pressure" on an offense or a rookie QB to not score for the last 30 minutes of a football game.
I'm not expecting anyone to feel sorry for Jacoby. He is what he is & he did what he did.
It's completly understandable that he would get some blow back.
I'm just saying some posters (& far as I can recall I don't put you in that group) are way too emotionally attached & are going over board with the rhetoric.
I think.
False Start
On # 69
Yep, looks like we were both in agreement about the signing.
Yaaaay....
I wonder if he dropped the pen when he was signing the contract?
Pretty much everyone who posted in the thread were not excited about it. It was a good read.
One of his former coaches, Coach Smith, was being interviewed by one of the local stations yesterday afternoon. He is still good friends with the Jones family and had spoken with Jacoby after the game.
Some things he said was interesting, like Jacoby has never matured, still has the mentality of an 18 yo. He mentioned that Jacoby has always had this problem of taking risky chances when he should be playing it safe. And he said that his conversation since the game was revealing, because Jacoby was telling him that he's not the only one that made a mistake in the game, basically deflecting the spotlight away from himself.
Take it fwiw, but interesting to hear from a former coach and someone that is still friends with Jacoby and his family. Coach Smith closed the interview by saying that Jacoby would be better served with a second chance on another team, and if he did not change his ways, he did not see Jacoby in the league three years from now. It was a pretty blunt assessment.
Some things he said was interesting, like Jacoby has never matured, still has the mentality of an 18 yo. He mentioned that Jacoby has always had this problem of taking risky chances when he should be playing it safe. And he said that his conversation since the game was revealing, because Jacoby was telling him that he's not the only one that made a mistake in the game, basically deflecting the spotlight away from himself.
Take it fwiw, but interesting to hear from a former coach and someone that is still friends with Jacoby and his family. Coach Smith closed the interview by saying that Jacoby would be better served with a second chance on another team, and if he did not change his ways, he did not see Jacoby in the league three years from now. It was a pretty blunt assessment.
False Start
On # 69
I heard that too. None of it surprised me, the dude just don't have it, and I don't think he ever will.
It did not surprise me either, at least what he said about Jacoby. And the fact that this is a tendency that goes back to high school, and he's now a 5 year veteran in the NFL? Says as much about the staff that keeps him as it does about the player!
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
Not surprised at all. Jacoby just gives off that vibe.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
31 receptions for 512 yards, 2 TD, 2 Fum, in a season when this guy should have taken the opportunity to play WR1 for 11 games.
Forget about one bonehead play, the above stat line is all I need to see when I ask myself if I want him back. The money we're paying him and Walter, you could sign a high level FA and a first round draft pick with some change.
Btw, those stats were a regression from his 2010 numbers, despite the fact that he had AJ out most of the season this year.
Forget about one bonehead play, the above stat line is all I need to see when I ask myself if I want him back. The money we're paying him and Walter, you could sign a high level FA and a first round draft pick with some change.
Btw, those stats were a regression from his 2010 numbers, despite the fact that he had AJ out most of the season this year.
Joeycharp89
Waterboy
Ya for me it's not just his muffed punt in one game, it his overall play this season. I just don't see any reason for him to be regressing. He's young and healthy, and he has the athleticism to make just as big of plays as Andre does. He just don't seem to have the drive. I guess I can live with that if he's resigned to being WR3 for the rest of his career, or maybe even just a back up. But I don't think we need to keep him around if that is all he is aspiring for.
I'd rather have had Bryant Johnson playing, at least she showed some good effort when he played against Tennessee.
I'd rather have had Bryant Johnson playing, at least she showed some good effort when he played against Tennessee.
I don't expect to see Jacoby Jones on this team by next TC, no matter what Kubiak has said, and no matter what his contract reads.
He's damaged goods in this town, and the team knows it. Fans might forgive his mistake, but there is no way they can forget it. Yes, players make mistakes, and sometimes they can real bone-headed mistakes, but the mistake Jacoby made, went to a whole different level.
He'll be cut sometime during the off-season. I'm absolutely confident in that.
He's damaged goods in this town, and the team knows it. Fans might forgive his mistake, but there is no way they can forget it. Yes, players make mistakes, and sometimes they can real bone-headed mistakes, but the mistake Jacoby made, went to a whole different level.
He'll be cut sometime during the off-season. I'm absolutely confident in that.
Wouldn't be any tear from me...
Cut him/keep him as a filler player I don't care...
Whatever the outcome, he cannot be our punt returner anymore..
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
And there is another interesting point Rey...
There has to be some accountability from the coaching staff, why on earth are they giving punt return duties to a 5 year vet WR who they are hoping to progress into a #2 role??
Surely thats extra practice time etc. they are taking away from him on his route running and pass catching.
You can get any rookie to make a decent fist of PR duty, it isn't the most skilled position in the sport, and would have made some good use of one of those young DB's we seem to have about 2 dozen of kicking around doing nothing.
Instead we continue to ask Jacoby to perform both roles despite it being crunch time in his career and his pretty shaky record, sure he breaks off a TD return once every couple of years, but he doesn't seem to make consistent gains for the other 31 games he's fielding them. Throw in the silly mistakes, and you have a pretty damning case for not putting the guy on PR duty.
There has to be some accountability from the coaching staff, why on earth are they giving punt return duties to a 5 year vet WR who they are hoping to progress into a #2 role??
Surely thats extra practice time etc. they are taking away from him on his route running and pass catching.
You can get any rookie to make a decent fist of PR duty, it isn't the most skilled position in the sport, and would have made some good use of one of those young DB's we seem to have about 2 dozen of kicking around doing nothing.
Instead we continue to ask Jacoby to perform both roles despite it being crunch time in his career and his pretty shaky record, sure he breaks off a TD return once every couple of years, but he doesn't seem to make consistent gains for the other 31 games he's fielding them. Throw in the silly mistakes, and you have a pretty damning case for not putting the guy on PR duty.
Welker returns punts...
I know that just because he does it doesn't mean everyone can, but lmit can be done...
I get what you are saying though and I agree to a certain extent...I think a bigger problem was not having Schaub in there and the fact that we played in closer games or ahead more this year resulting in a more balanced attack whereas in years past we leaned on the throwing game more...
I don't think it was all Jacoby although he surely is not totally free of blame.
jaayteetx
All Pro
I got that feeling from watching him in pregame in Tampa. He let the Tampa fans get the best of him and he started cussing at them. I know Kubiak says he has come a long way but that showed a lack of proffesionalism and maturity to me.