Completely missed my point. Too busy waving Pom-poms
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Jack Easterby is gone!
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Mr teX
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Or just applying equal weight to your “point”..
Rah, rah, sis boom bah
Speedy
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Especially in the first couple of years or so. It would be like celebrating the Birmingham Americans championship in the WFL in 1974.
And yet they forced the NFL into a merger just a few years later
TexansBull
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Kinda of like celebrating a Super Bowl win prior to the salary cap rules, the player’s right to free agency, and the full 32 team expansion.
Winning a championship in the 70s, 80s and some of the 90s is different than it is today.
Kinda like anything after leather helmets ain't real football
TexansBull
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This is true. Don't forget that three of the NFL's teams (San Francisco 49ers, Cleveland Browns and the original Baltimore Colts) came from the All-America Football Conference from the 1940's, as well.
But, in the end, they still called it the NFL, and the NFL only recognizes it's own championships.
I'm not trying to poo on the AFL. It changed pro football for the better. But their intent all along was to join the NFL, not compete with it over time.
Fun talk. Made the Easterchump thread better.
BOB and Derrick are the main reasons why this franchise is where it's at today
That and Cal making poor decisions.
My god that was a long post
The Texans currently have the 3rd lowest payroll in the NFL and the 7rh most cap space.
You consider 5th rd picks and pick swaps to be more valuable than I do
Give me quality of picks over quantity of picks.
Yes Caserio has hit on some things and missed on others.
Mieners starts on a very bad ol, for currently the 2nd worst team in the NFL. I wouldn't be tooting my horn about that pick
I think it's fair, considering all of the premature horn tooting over the Mills pick. I don't know of anyone that wouldn't trade Miles for Meinerz straight up.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
I’m not sure if I’m missing a reference here or something?
Texian
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Well, the Broncos do have 2 of their starting OL (that's 40%, LT, C) on IR and yet they are still able to produce better rushing stats than the Texans. From the looks of things, it looks like Quinn Meinerz will turn out to be a better OG than Kenyon Green. Meinerz is ranked as the 7th best OG in the league with a score of 74.5. While Kenyon Green ranks as the 85th-best OG out of 87 in the league with a score of 35.8.
From PFF.COM
7 Quinn Meinerz DEN 74.5
85 Kenyon Green HST 35.8
NFL G Position Grades
PFF's exclusive metrics provide Guard (G) position rankings, grades, and snap counts.
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Denver Broncos Depth Chart | ESPN
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Well, the Broncos do have 2 of their starting OL (that's 40%, LT, C) on IR and yet they are still able to produce better rushing stats than the Texans. From the looks of things, it looks like Quinn Meinerz will turn out to be a better OG than Kenyon Green. Meinerz is ranked as the 7th best OG in the league with a score of 74.5. While Kenyon Green ranks as the 85th-best OG out of 87 in the league with a score of 35.8.
From PFF.COM
7 Quinn Meinerz DEN 74.5
85 Kenyon Green HST 35.8
NFL G Position Grades
PFF's exclusive metrics provide Guard (G) position rankings, grades, and snap counts.
Denver Broncos Depth Chart | ESPN
Visit ESPN to view the Denver Broncos team depth chart for the current season
One guys been playing hurt, the other hasn't.
Context in stats.
Green was solid before he got hurt.
It's not like Mienertz is playing at a all pro level. He's been solid.
Hopefully Caserio drafts a couple of IOL in the 3rd/4th rd.
Amazing how people forget/overlook that to make their take look better
Texian
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Meinerz missed 5 weeks with a torn hamstring and is still the 7th best OG. The data don't lie. What else have you got?
How Quinn Meinerz bounced back from an early-season injury - DNVR Sports
After five weeks spent nursing a hamstring injury, Quinn Meinerz was back on the field on Monday night.
thednvr.com
How was he as a rookie? Did he have injuries then? How about comparing apples to apples instead of to grapefruit?Meinerz missed 5 weeks with a torn hamstring and is still the 7th best OG. The data don't lie. What else have you got?
How Quinn Meinerz bounced back from an early-season injury - DNVR Sports
After five weeks spent nursing a hamstring injury, Quinn Meinerz was back on the field on Monday night.
You sure about that? Meinertz missed 4 weeks with a hamstring.
Texian
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Meinerz rookie year grade 67.4 vs Kenyon Green 35.7
The team was able to get really strong contributors at four different positions, with the highest grades coming from Javonte Williams and interior offensive lineman Quinn Meinerz (67.4).
Denver Broncos' 2021 Rookie Class Ranked Second-Best by Pro Football Focus - Sports Illustrated Mile High Huddle: Denver Broncos News, Analysis and More
The Broncos received a Herculean contribution from their 2021 rookie class.
www.si.com
Meinerz didn't play half his rookie season injured did he?Meinerz rookie year grade 67.4 vs Kenyon Green 35.7
The team was able to get really strong contributors at four different positions, with the highest grades coming from Javonte Williams and interior offensive lineman Quinn Meinerz (67.4).
.Denver Broncos' 2021 Rookie Class Ranked Second-Best by Pro Football Focus - Sports Illustrated Mile High Huddle: Denver Broncos News, Analysis and More
The Broncos received a Herculean contribution from their 2021 rookie class.
SeriousShizzle
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LOL he will be back. Ends owning this team
CloakNNNdagger
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Cal has literally done 100% the opposite of this regarding Nick. Cal had a DC and a HC waiting for Nick, and then overruled on Gannon and made Lovie HC. Texans are about as far away from 'innovative' on O and D as you can get.
He just interfered, leaked fake news about McCown. That's all. Supported Cal in taking the decision out of Nick's hands again, but that's on Cal.
Nick tapped Jonathon Gannon and JG had most of his staff in place. He was telling people he had the gig at the Senior Bowl.
Slick Rick is the worst kind of GM. Sells hope, pisses off players, no scouting chops. Andre, Duane, Arian... a lot more hated Slick Rick. Every decision was made to keep him GM the longest, which is why he had to be forced to draft a first round QB after, what? A decade? You'll never win it all with a GM like him.
You know who else is doing that now, although he's not slimy like Rick, is Chris Ballard. He's had talented rosters that, with a QB, could win it all. But Ballard knows the clock on his employment starts ticking when he drafts a first round QB. He hasn't, yet, which is unfortunate for Coltfan.
Bob was enamored with Caserio long before O'Brien ever entered the conversation. He was talking about him, considering him in 2010. A lot of owners had been. Caserio turned down upwards of 30 GM interviews, and he took a couple. Bob called him the "wonder boy" up in New England... tried to hire him three times that I know of and a friend of Bob's told me four. Cal hired Nick because Bob would've, he just followed dad.
Cal Boy fell head over heels in love with Jack in their first meeting. Jack knew exactly how to push Cal's "less than" buttons, and take advantage of his... gullibility, we'll call it. Jack was Cal's new best friend in literally a day. O'Brien was instantly in trouble when Jack moved into the building, but it took him a while before he figured out there were knives entering his back.
This is a very interesting analysis of Cal.
What it reveals to me is that he has no instinct about people that is learned through building and running your own company.
If there is one thing I've learned in 40+ years in business, it's learning how to spot potential con artists and snake-oil salesmen. They are everywhere, every day.
Bob probably had that instinct, but Cal is clueless. I expect more dumbassery in the Texans future because of it. No other owner in the NFL would have hired and promoted Easterby like Cal McNair did. That is all on him and certainly indicative of inherent lack of understanding basic human behavior. Gullible is not a trait that elevates an NFL franchise owner.
TexansBull
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Thanks doc! Always appreciate the information. A few questions if you can answer:
Why did Cal say he was going to take a more active role in the search if Cal overruled Caserio in the last Coach search?
And why did Caserio say he would step away if the new coach wanted that? Is he ready to walk away they easy?
How active of a role is Hannah taking? Is she now the person safe guarding Cal from being gullible and is in de facto control?
CloakNNNdagger
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If you haven't learned from history, you are bound to repeat it. If Cal continues to intercede and has a determinate input in the choice of HC, it will continue the dysfunction of the structure of this franchise............i.e., in a well-functioning organization, once the GM is in place, the choice of the HC is his. Tampering with the organization's basic functional structure, destroys that organization..........as it has already beenhistorically shown to be the result for decades here in Houston.
This statement could have only come down from pressure by Cal. But Cal can turn that on a dime with a little interposition of good advice and common sense.
Hannah is a significant influence in bolstering Cal's confidence. I can't tell you that she has had any significant effect in redirection of his choices.
I’m thinking Byron Leftwhich turned down the Jags job because of their GM. Caserio is just letting good candidates know that he’s not going to be a problem. If they want him out, he’s not going to stand in the way
Texian
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The problem with Nick publicly announcing this is he is now fair game for any prospective new HC hire to tell Cal, Caserio will have to go.
He’s probably telling everyone he’s gone after the draft
Texian
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That or right after a new HC is hired.
If that’s the case he should be fired now. Let the new GM hire the coach.
McNairs have regularly kept the GM until after the draft
Texian
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Cal needs somebody to hold his hand. Cal and Caserio should've fired Lovie in December and put Cook's butt on the bench. Had they done that, the Texans would have the #1 pick.
Mr teX
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This statement says so much…& folks here with an agenda just gloss over it b/c of the preconceived ideas the media is pumping.
In this statement, NC is directly & indirectly telling EVERYONE that he’s not the one screwing this whole thing up.
The whole narrative being pumped about NC’s “tone & confidence” being different in this press conference…..insinuating that he’s been humbled or whatever…..i attribute that more to him being in the uncomfortable position of having to answer for things that weren’t entirely on him…questions from the media that should’ve been directed at Cal…but Cal sorta set him up..read his prepared statement, took no questions, sat down and let NC take all the shots being fired by the media.
Boris
All Pro
30mil
he knew what he was getting into
courted over multiple years by our org
VERY familiar with Easterby prior to joining
I took what he was saying to mean, I'm only going to interview guys I can work with and if Cal pulls another Lovie on me, I'm out of here.
beerlover
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Did the same to O’Brian?
Janice says hi.
Of course not Bob was the owner of the Houston Texans. Janice was a housewife.
beerlover
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Meinerz came from a small school, virtually unknown, came to Senior Bowl & then blew up so teams had to go back and evaluate his tape. Keynon Green was a known commodity playing in the SEC and ranked #1 interior lineman way before the draft.Meinerz missed 5 weeks with a torn hamstring and is still the 7th best OG. The data don't lie. What else have you got?
How Quinn Meinerz bounced back from an early-season injury - DNVR Sports
After five weeks spent nursing a hamstring injury, Quinn Meinerz was back on the field on Monday night.
Number19
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I'm guessing he is referring to the fact that there is a minority owner...E. Javier Loya. I didn't dig deep enough to find what the percentages are. There may be as many as nine others who own minority shares (2015). Janice's majority interest is 80%.
I think he was referring to Janice owning the team and not Cal/Hannah.
It's Janice that goes to the owner meetings
Texian
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The difference is Meinerz is a helluva a lot stronger and is better at pass protection than Green. Meinerz was a good 3rd rd pick. Green was a wasted 1st rd pick compound by the fact that they passed on Jordan Davis.
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beerlover
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Hey Meinerz was impressive during Senior Bowl week practices, didn’t look like your typical NFL modern day lineman, with his Jersey untucked and his belly hanging out but he sure could dig in, drop his hips and sink stopping any bull rush. Had 2nd rd grade on him, which tells me (falling to the 3rd) scouts had same concerns, but no doubt he was media darling that week.
Green is a whole next level offensive linemen who can also kick outside and play tackle, not limited to inside duties although that’s how Texans used him. His strongest trait is run blocking, especially pulling. When fully healthy would love to see next set of coaches expose him to tackle duties, he is far better & more versatile than being given credit for.
Texian
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If Green cannot pass block at LG how is he going to pass block at OT? He doesn't have the strength to anchor a bull rush and he is too slow to be effective against speed rushers. I said at the time Meinerz would be a better pick than Mills, and he is.
Quinn Meinerz (33 225 reps, see below)
| Height | Weight | Arm length | Hand span | 40-yard dash | 10-yard split | 20-yard split | 20-yard shuttle | Three-cone drill | Vertical jump | Broad jump |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6 ft 2+7⁄8 in (1.90 m) | 320 lb (145 kg) | 33+3⁄8 in (0.85 m) | 10+1⁄8 in (0.26 m) | 4.99 s | 1.73 s | 2.88 s | 4.58 s | 7.54 s | 32.0 in (0.81 m) | 9 ft 3 in (2.82 m) |
Kenyon Green
| Height | Weight | Arm length | Hand span | 40-yard dash | 10-yard split | 20-yard split | 20-yard shuttle | Vertical jump | Broad jump | Bench press |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6 ft 3+7⁄8 in (1.93 m) | 323 lb (147 kg) | 34+1⁄8 in (0.87 m) | 10+3⁄8 in (0.26 m) | 5.24 s | 1.76 s | 3.01 s | 5.03 s | 28.5 in (0.72 m) | 8 ft 6 in (2.59 m) | 20 reps |
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