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Is O'Brien finished shaping roster?

That way the players can maximize their earning potential during the prime of their careers. It's actually pretty smart of them.
Exactly, kinda like the opposite of Clowny. Turns down Browns for unsure reasons. Many think he wants 17m per. But, most players will sign a 2-3yr deal and if they play well ask for more or become a FA and get more.

From a player perspective it's very smart.
2yr 5mil per
FA/resign 10mil per if a FA maybe they can get 12. And the deal is still only 3-ish years. So...
100% be a FA and make maybe more

So in say 5yrs they make 40mil maybe more. If they play well and avoid any big injury. VS signing a 5yr deal for 5-7 and making 35-ish. So doing shorter deals makes them (in my example) 5mil more over 5yrs. True if hurt or poor play then they are in trouble. However, 5mil is a good chunk of money. All for treating contact negotiating like the stock market... only many owners will be happy to do it
 

banned1976

Fire Bill O’Brien, maybe?
What are you (pleural) willing to give up to get Jets to agree? I'd offer McKinney, Manz and Eric Murray and Carlos Watkins.
That’s a trade I could get behind. But the Jets would, and should, get more. Plus they just paid Mosley. They don’t have a need for McKinney.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
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Bill O’Brien IS the singular biggest laughingstock of the NFL. Every time a player is being rumored as being on the trading block BoB trends on Twitter. And not in a flattering manner.
You care what others think?

Well I guess in your new line of work you do.

I dont mean this badly.
 

dream_team

Hall of Fame
What are you (pleural) willing to give up to get Jets to agree? I'd offer McKinney, Manz and Eric Murray and Carlos Watkins.
I'd be good with that deal as well! But if I was the Jets, there's no way I'd want that deal. I want draft picks or young prospects. I suspect the Jets will start off negotiations with a 1st round pick.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
That’s a trade I could get behind. But the Jets would, and should, get more. Plus they just paid Mosley. They don’t have a need for McKinney.
CJ missed 14 games 2019 due to groin/core injury and I think there should be great concern for his health. His contract was signed March 2019 and has most of that banked already.
$7.5 signing bonus, 10.5 2019 roster, 13.0 base 2019 and 2020 roster is 10 m. That's $41 already with rest of GTD at signing locked in Sept of this year. Nothing Jets can do about money but lots they could do for insurance. $20 m cap space covers guys I offered and they play 3-4 defense so Bednardrick starts next to Mosely anywho.

Should get and would get ain't the same and two starters in MC and Eric Murray, possible starter at OG in Manz and solid backup in Watkins helps NY now which they need more than picks a year from now.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
I'd be good with that deal as well! But if I was the Jets, there's no way I'd want that deal. I want draft picks or young prospects. I suspect the Jets will start off negotiations with a 1st round pick.
You would turn down two starters in their prime plus two more guys that make roster better for a first and maybe something else in 2021? Dallas only team listed that might get you a top 15 pick...i don't see that deal over mine.
 

OptimisticTexan

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I'm not to certain I'm ready to part with Fuller but to get the Jets attention maybe offer OLB-Mercilus, S-Murray, one of the TE's (Griffin is their current TE1) and WR-Stills. I think the Jets would like to add more weapons for Sam Darnold. With no real 2021 picks to offer and in no way do I part with a 2022 pick, the Texans would have to include some fairly decent, start today, type of players to get the Jets attention. Mercilus, Stills and one of the TE's could be upgrades and starters right away and Murray could be a starter by default, mostly to fill the void left by Adams.

Get Adams, then turn around and sign Clowney. I'd like to see what the defense could do by having Greenard possibly playing Mercilus and having Clowney at DE. The more pressure put on opposing QB's the better chance the Texans CB's have at enjoying some success b/c lets be honest, the weakest spot on defense would be the CB's if Adams and Clowney were obtained.
 
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dream_team

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You would turn down two starters in their prime plus two more guys that make roster better for a first and maybe something else in 2021? Dallas only team listed that might get you a top 15 pick...i don't see that deal over mine.
McKinney is the only starter in that list. Murray is an overpaid career backup. Mancz is a solid backup C. Watkins is rarely active for games.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
McKinney is the only starter in that list. Murray is an overpaid career backup. Mancz is a solid backup C. Watkins is rarely active for games.
On Texans perhaps but you are wrong on their roles as Jets. Manz would have good chance at OG in New York. Carlos Watkins played behind Watt and in 2019 was in rotation with Reader and Blackson when JJ was hurt. What I saw of him I liked but he would have stronger role in NY.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Per source the Jets DID offer the #Texans Jamal Adams the day before the 2020 NFL draft. Benardrick McKinney was the main player on our part. But the Jets wanted more and we weren't willing.

With less leverage now, a deal could be imminent.
— Texans Thoughts (@Texans_Thoughts) June 18, 2020
That would be amazing but Mercilus not going IMO but Jets cap could handle both.
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
Lol! I can't believe people are actually discussing trade deals for Adams when the price is extremely high

AND

A. The Texans don't have draft picks remember? Apparently not.
B. The Texans don't have a great salary cap anymore to afford what he'd want to get paid.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Lol! I can't believe people are actually discussing trade deals for Adams when the price is extremely high

AND

A. The Texans don't have draft picks remember? Apparently not.
B. The Texans don't have a great salary cap anymore to afford what he'd want to get paid.
and as you often do cloud what is said. Texans in 2019 traded two round ones, the latter being for a draft two drafts ahead. They do have a first in 2022 that can be traded. Price Jets reportedly asking is window sticker and may not be final for a trade. Jets could accept a starter they need and a 3rd in 2021 which we do have.
It is reported that Adams will not demand an Extension if traded to certain teams. His average cost for next two years is Apprx 8.5 million and that is easily absorbed 2020. We do not know what cap for 21 will be or if NFL will allow teams to move future cap into 21 if needed. NFL did change the amounts teams can borrow to pay bills so adjustments are already being made to respond to Covid 19.

If you don't want to discuss possible trade scenarios then don't.
 

Texecutioner

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and as you often do cloud what is said. Texans in 2019 traded two round ones, the latter being for a draft two drafts ahead. They do have a first in 2022 that can be traded. Price Jets reportedly asking is window sticker and may not be final for a trade. Jets could accept a starter they need and a 3rd in 2021 which we do have.
It is reported that Adams will not demand an Extension if traded to certain teams. His average cost for next two years is Apprx 8.5 million and that is easily absorbed 2020. We do not know what cap for 21 will be or if NFL will allow teams to move future cap into 21 if needed. NFL did change the amounts teams can borrow to pay bills so adjustments are already being made to respond to Covid 19.

If you don't want to discuss possible trade scenarios then don't.
The only "as usual" thing is your bad take.

Now you're suggesting that the Texans should trade more first round picks, as if losing 4 out of the last 5 1st round picks from drafts heading into 2022 wasn't enough? What franchise in their right mind has ever done that? Zero, that's who.

Man Texan fans have gone full blown idiotic. You guys actually think you can still do blockbuster trades? Lol!

The fans are getting worse than O'Brien at this point. Even he knows he can't make this trade. SMH
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
The only "as usual" thing is your bad take.

Now you're suggesting that the Texans should trade more first round picks, as if losing 4 out of the last 5 1st round picks from drafts heading into 2022 wasn't enough? What franchise in their right mind has ever done that? Zero, that's who.

Man Texan fans have gone full blown idiotic. You guys actually think you can still do blockbuster trades? Lol!

The fans are getting worse than O'Brien at this point. Even he knows he can't make this trade. SMH
Shake your head or your booty. You have no clue what Bill is thinking and the link posted said a trade was discussed, so it's not out of realm of possibility. I would trade a first round two years away for a two year all pro and throw in McKinney to sweeten of needed. We have done quite well trading first round picks. We didn't lose them. You just blow out your BVDs if someone does not agree with you..move along lil doggie move along.
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
Shake your head or your booty. You have no clue what Bill is thinking and the link posted said a trade was discussed, so it's not out of realm of possibility. I would trade a first round two years away for a two year all pro and throw in McKinney to sweeten of needed. We have done quite well trading first round picks. We didn't lose them.
How many times do teams trade a top player for a 1st round draft pick two years away? Lol! God that would be stupid of them, and the idea that the Texans or any franchise should just continue on every season without a first round pick or the advantage of the rookie contracts would be marginally stupid as well. Your suggestion is that 1st round picks are pretty much worthless to have, and NO ONE thinks that BUT YOU. As a matter of fact pretty much everyone around the league, in the league, and who watches the league thinks OB is a moron, and you're here arguing for the same lop sided trades still that made most people think he's a moron. That's what homers do on this site though, so it isn't exactly shocking.


You just blow out your BVDs if someone does not agree with you..move along lil doggie move along. Shake your head or your booty.
Seriously, is this what you call trash talk? This is lamest crap I've ever heard. Suspect. Lol!
 


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