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Is It time to fire David Culley after 1 year?

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steelbtexan

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Elevate Pep to OC if that keeps him. He did a better job with Mills then TK did with the offense. The loyalty to TK is something I cannot understand, if they self scout they must see it or all of us are missing something like DC demands x runs per drive or something so he is handcuffed? I dont think that is the case, and I want someone that focuses on simplicity and execution. A well executed / called offense is hard to stop, especially if they beef up the OL and RB positions
Yep, did you watch the National Championship Game last night?

Neal and Salyer were studs. Picking them at 1-3 and 2-37 would fix the right side of the OL for the next decade. Nearly 700 Lbs of pure athleticism, complete with a mean streak. Keep Tunsil and the OL will be set for Mills to succeed next yr. If you want to trade Tunsil the 2023 offseason would be the time to do it.

This is what a commitment to the OL looks like. No more small school guys.
 
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If McDaniel stays in NE he'll have a job for the next 20 yrs as BB has had. I don't see him leaving and getting on a 20 year coaching carousel going from team to team when he'll have good stable deal in NE.
Culley on the other hand, I think it would be shitty to fire the guy, he's been a Team player, said all the right things, pretty much stayed out of trouble all year. If they do plan to replace him, give him a Player Relations type of job/front office gig, all the players seem to like him. That way he can fade out gracefully into retirement over the next few years. Financially he's been set up for life by the McNairs... so he's got no worries! I wouldn't embarass the man though.
BB had a job for 20 years because he had Brady and was winning for 20 years. Now Kraft will let him ride it out till he is ready to go because of the history but the next guy, even McDaniel, will not have that luxury unless he finds another Brady at the start of his time there.
 

steelbtexan

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BB had a job for 20 years because he had Brady and was winning for 20 years. Now Kraft will let him ride it out till he is ready to go because of the history but the next guy, even McDaniel, will not have that luxury unless he finds another Brady at the start of his time there.
Maybe he's found his guy in Mac Jones
 

TexansBull

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The Dolphins were 6-14 vs winning teams under Flores. He had 3 years to get the Dolphins in the playoffs, and failed. Even O'Brien got the Texans in the playoffs in 3 years. Maybe Flores gets another shot. Hopefully, not here.
Flores played in a more competitive division compared to the cake walk that is the AFC South.

OB had a .340 winning percentage against teams over .500 which is worse than Flores.

Flores lost a power struggle. End of story.
 

Texian

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The Dolphins were 6-14 vs winning teams under Flores. He had 3 years to get the Dolphins in the playoffs, and failed. Even O'Brien got the Texans in the playoffs in 3 years. Maybe Flores gets another shot. Hopefully, not here.
Indications suggest that Flores doesn't get along well with others, much like O'Brien. Is this part of the Belichick DNA?
 

beerlover

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Maybe but if so I also don't see BB retiring anytime soon.
You think Sabin will retire after losing to Kirby & Georgia Bull Dogs?

BB & NS wouldn’t know what to do other than competing for Championships, unless some kind of personal tragedy or sickness takes them down.

McDaniels has to have been McNair’s plan all along just like Nick Caserio.

signed - not Patriot South :texflag:
 

Texian

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You think Sabin will retire after losing to Kirby & Georgia Bull Dogs?

BB & NS wouldn’t know what to do other than competing for Championships, unless some kind of personal tragedy or sickness takes them down.

McDaniels has to have been McNair’s Easterby's plan all along just like Nick Caserio.

signed - not Patriot South :texflag:
FIFY
 

OptimisticTexan

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Caserio is just letting Culley twist in the wind. Very classy. Very Belichick.
If the Patriots were finished for the season maybe Culley isn’t twisting in the wind….maybe he’s packing his office. I’m fairly certain Belichick may have no issue with McDaniels talking to the Texans but he doesn’t want any distractions while the Patriots are in the playoffs.

The twisting should come to a halt the moment the Patriots are done in the playoffs.
 

Toro Bravo

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Yep, did you watch the National Championship Game last night?

Neal and Salyer were studs. Picking them at 1-3 and 2-37 would fix the right side of the OL for the next decade. Nearly 700 Lbs of pure athleticism, complete with a mean streak. Keep Tunsil and the OL will be set for Mills to succeed next yr. If you wan to trade Tunsil the 2023 offseason would be the time to do it.

This is hat a commitment to the OL looks like. No more small school guys.
I watched most of the National Championship game for the express purpose of seeing Neal and Slayer. I was impressed with both and hope we take Neal at 3.
I was not impressed with Heisman trophy winner Bryce Young or Georgia's Stetson Bennet.
 

Earl34

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Indications suggest that Flores doesn't get along well with others, much like O'Brien. Is this part of the Belichick DNA?
This is a great point. Currently, the behavior of these ex Patriots coaches who came from the Patriots micromanagement environment where all things are run though the HC gives them a mindset that organizational decisions should run through the HC.

So, we have the perspective of fired HCs like O'Brien, McDaniels, Patricia and Flores (maybe) versus the current micromanagement experiment at NRG that believes the team is controlled by the front office. The question I have is does former Patriots coaches only trust former Patriots in the front office or in their attempts to be Belichick or duplicate the Pats, they will not play nice with others regardless of who is in the front office?

Also, with Caserio and Easterby. Besides McDaniels, will they allow any other HC to truly partner with them or will they control every HC not named McDaniels like they are doing with Culley? It's an interesting case study in management styles and team building.
 

TexansBull

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Indications suggest that Flores doesn't get along well with others, much like O'Brien. Is this part of the Belichick DNA?
Flores didn’t get along with the GM and preferred Herbert over Tua prior to the draft.

Flores was an intense guy.

There was something going on behind the scenes with Tua, the GM and possibly the Watson.

There is a sense of arrogance, a sense of “I know more than you” from the Belicheck tree.

Flores still did a better job than most of the coaches to come out from under the Belicheck tree.

Miami is dumb for letting him go.

We criticize the Texans, but there sure are organizations that look a lot worse.
 

TexansBull

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This is a great point. Currently, the behavior of these ex Patriots coaches who came from the Patriots micromanagement environment where all things are run though the HC gives them a mindset that organizational decisions should run through the HC.

So, we have the perspective of fired HCs like O'Brien, McDaniels, Patricia and Flores (maybe) versus the current micromanagement experiment at NRG that believes the team is controlled by the front office. The question I have is does former Patriots coaches only trust former Patriots in the front office or in their attempts to be Belichick or duplicate the Pats, they will not play nice with others regardless of who is in the front office?

Also, with Caserio and Easterby. Besides McDaniels, will they allow any other HC to truly partner with them or will they control every HC not named McDaniels like they are doing with Culley? It's an interesting case study in management styles and team building.
You bring up an interesting point.

Has there ever been a coach from the Belicheck system that has been paired with a FO person from the same Belicheck system? Or vice versa?

Texans may be the first if they bring in McDaniels or Flores.

That may be what it takes for the winning recipe.
 

TexansBull

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Indications suggest that Flores doesn't get along well with others, much like O'Brien. Is this part of the Belichick DNA?


Halftime at the Tennessee game.

Week 17.

Apparently Flores was mad at Tua’s first half play. Flores said things. Tua said things back. The F word was said. Tua said Flores didn’t know how to talk to people. Flores said he needed better bleeping play.

Sounds like what OB and Osweiler went through.

That is a soft culture. Good luck with that.

And if they are willing to fire a coach for that - that gives me doubts about the trade for Watson. Why fire your coach based on the feelings of the QB you are about to get rid of? And if you are still trying to trade for him what does it matter how the old QB felt?

Things that make you go hmmm.
 

Speedy

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If the Patriots were finished for the season maybe Culley isn’t twisting in the wind….maybe he’s packing his office. I’m fairly certain Belichick may have no issue with McDaniels talking to the Texans but he doesn’t want any distractions while the Patriots are in the playoffs.

The twisting should come to a halt the moment the Patriots are done in the playoffs.
Who says he’s twisting in the wind? Some of y’all are still under the impression that Culley was hired to be more than the sock puppet Caserio wanted him to be.

Caserio took over this train wreck, knew there were going to be some throw away years to turn it around, got the cheapest “head coach” he could get to get through those throw away years, and when the roster is ready to compete, thank you Mr. Culley, enjoy the retirement fund we gave you to be the sock puppet we needed, hello Mr. McDaniels.
 

Earl34

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Can we just go ahead and hire Josh Daniels? That way we can get all things Patriots out of the system in 3 or 4 years. And finally, be able to flush Game Boy, Preacher Man, File Clerk and Daniels out of the Kirby Boardroom and organization.
Men In Black 2 - "Flush Me Jay" Scene (1080p) FULL HD - YouTube
This Patriots obsession drives me nuts. I don't hate all things Patriots. I admire their ability to consistently win over such a long period. However, I'm cognizant that their success was driven by Belichick and Brady. While the Texans are fiddling with this Patriots' obsession, other teams are being successful without needing to go all in on the Patriots way and although it's hard for some to imagine, there are multiple ways to win or succeed in the NFL without trying to be the Patriots without Belichick or Brady.

Unfortunately, I don't expect them to get all things Patriots out of their system until they hire everyone who was in a Patriots locker room, urinal or restroom stall next to Brady or Belichick.
 
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austins23

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Halftime at the Tennessee game.

Week 17.

Apparently Flores was mad at Tua’s first half play. Flores said things. Tua said things back. The F word was said. Tua said Flores didn’t know how to talk to people. Flores said he needed better bleeping play.

Sounds like what OB and Osweiler went through.

That is a soft culture. Good luck with that.

And if they are willing to fire a coach for that - that gives me doubts about the trade for Watson. Why fire your coach based on the feelings of the QB you are about to get rid of? And if you are still trying to trade for him what does it matter how the old QB felt?

Things that make you go hmmm.
Wow..Poor guys got their feelings hurt. Get over it. It's a multi billion dollar operation (the NFL) and results driven. If you are stinking up the joint, you should be told you are stinking it up. Tua couldn't handle getting his are chewed out, oh well. Hey Tua, put a straw in your juice box and suck it up pop-tart! I bet Saban tore you a new one a time or two.
 

paycheck71

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Halftime at the Tennessee game.

Week 17.

Apparently Flores was mad at Tua’s first half play. Flores said things. Tua said things back. The F word was said. Tua said Flores didn’t know how to talk to people. Flores said he needed better bleeping play.

Sounds like what OB and Osweiler went through.

That is a soft culture. Good luck with that.

And if they are willing to fire a coach for that - that gives me doubts about the trade for Watson. Why fire your coach based on the feelings of the QB you are about to get rid of? And if you are still trying to trade for him what does it matter how the old QB felt?

Things that make you go hmmm.
I guess he just doesn't fit the Dolphins culture.....
 

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What? Oiler fans chose to let the team leave rather than buy Bud a new stadium. The owner/fan relationship was never more toxic in this town as it was between Bud and Oiler fans.
Yeah, true, but Cal did in three years what it took Bud decades to do. lol ;)

When the Oilers stopped winning, fans stopped going to the games... I could walk up ro the ticket window 30 min before kickoff and get my choice of seats
How many are alot? 1 or 2?
Houston fans are bandwagon, front-runners who will support a winner and barely pet up with a loser... baseball being the possible exception
Houston fans weren't showing up for the Astros during those 100+ loss seasons. This is a bandwagon town. Always has been.

I’m listening to 610 (which I don’t normally do this early) & these guys are talking like David Culley should have felt his job is in jeopardy.

I don’t understand. McNair’s have been extremely generous & patient with their 1st time HCs. Most of the league has been generous with 1st time HCs.

He’s signed for 5 years.

Same thing with the press conference yesterday. Everyone asked him about returning next season. The players were even asked.

I understand that many want him gone. I understand Caserio may have a plan they’ve been working on. But I really think the conversation is premature
Teams that have three head coaches in three seasons are dysfunctional, so I fully expect Culley to be let go soon. lol

Can we just go ahead and hire Josh Daniels? That way we can get all things Patriots out of the system in 3 or 4 years. And finally, be able to flush Game Boy, Preacher Man, File Clerk and Daniels out of the Kirby Boardroom and organization.
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ugh, I hate the copy cat tendency when they are unable to copy the two most important aspects of that success. Why that is so hard to comprehend for this owner is just sad.
 

Texian

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This is a great point. Currently, the behavior of these ex Patriots coaches who came from the Patriots micromanagement environment where all things are run though the HC gives them a mindset that organizational decisions should run through the HC.

So, we have the perspective of fired HCs like O'Brien, McDaniels, Patricia and Flores (maybe) versus the current micromanagement experiment at NRG that believes the team is controlled by the front office. The question I have is does former Patriots coaches only trust former Patriots in the front office or in their attempts to be Belichick or duplicate the Pats, they will not play nice with others regardless of who is in the front office?

Also, with Caserio and Easterby. Besides McDaniels, will they allow any other HC to truly partner with them or will they control every HC not named McDaniels like they are doing with Culley? It's an interesting case study in management styles and team building.
It only took Stephen Ross 3 years to rectify his mistake where it took the McNair's (really it was JJ Watt) twice as long, 7 years to fix theirs. If JJ Watt had not cooked O'Brien's goose, he might still be HC.
 

Speedy

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Maybe not the 100+ loss seasons, I wouldn't know, but they showed up ok for the 80-90 loss teams of the 70's & 80's
Did they? From 62-78 they averaged more than 20,000 twice, and that was the 1st 2 years in the Astrodome. From 82-85 they never got above 20,000. They averaged 25,000, 19,000 and 20,000 the 3 years they lost 100+.
 

leebigeztx

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I would fire Culley , hire Flores and see if I could get the recently fired Vikings offensive staff to come here. Most notably Dennison and Lil Kubes to get that run game and pass action working. In that offense, they had 2 low rd drafted wr (Thielan and Diggs) one was undrafted the other 5th rd player who became top shelf players.
 

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I would fire Culley , hire Flores and see if I could get the recently fired Vikings offensive staff to come here. Most notably Dennison and Lil Kubes to get that run game and pass action working. In that offense, they had 2 low rd drafted wr (Thielan and Diggs) one was undrafted the other 5th rd player who became top shelf players.
This sounds like replacing subpar mediocrity with mediocrity. And trying to put a square peg into a round hole. A head coach trained in the Perkins-Earhardt offense hiring a couple of died in the wool WCO/ZBS coaches. Then there is the hiring of another HC in the mold of O'Brien, Flores too does not get along well with others. Stephen Ross pretty much told us all that very thing and the BIG reason why Flores was fired.
 
I would fire Culley , hire Flores and see if I could get the recently fired Vikings offensive staff to come here. Most notably Dennison and Lil Kubes to get that run game and pass action working. In that offense, they had 2 low rd drafted wr (Thielan and Diggs) one was undrafted the other 5th rd player who became top shelf players.
Flores was in the Patriots org but do you really think he would fit in with this culture thing being promoted by Easterby/Caserio. Flores strikes me as being his own man and will do what he thinks is best and not push a propagated agenda.
 

TexansBull

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This sounds like replacing subpar mediocrity with mediocrity. And trying to put a square peg into a round hole. A head coach trained in the Perkins-Earhardt offense hiring a couple of died in the wool WCO/ZBS coaches. Then there is the hiring of another HC in the mold of O'Brien, Flores too does not get along well with others. Stephen Ross pretty much told us all that very thing and the BIG reason why Flores was fired.
Flores took over a team in his first year that many thought would be winless and won 5 games.

Then he went 10-6. Then this past year he won his last 8 of 9 games.

All while dealing with the Patriots and Bills in his division. And doing this with Fitzpatrick and Tua as his QBs.

He was communicating something right.
 

Texian

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Sure you would.

Culley served his purpose. He was never meant to be the long term HC.
You probably should direct your anger towards the people who hired Culley. They are equally as inept in firing Culley as they were in hiring Culley.

Maybe you can explain to the board members how it was fiscally responsible to hire a HC and give him a 5 yr. contract, KNOWING, his only purpose was to hang around for a year. Isn't this just pissing away money?

Maybe you can also explain to those of us who do not understand how going through a complete coaching change and staffing after only 1 year is a good thing and not another MAJOR FUBAR.
 

Mr teX

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Other than Culley being horrible at his job. I will say that if Culley deserves to be fired, what about the people that hired him? Aren't Culley's failure their failures?
Horrible based on what? That he couldn't win 10+ games and go to the playoffs with a bunch of scrap heap guys? Name an old or new guy who would've been able to. That he doesn't provide the great sound bites & insights the media & fans want to eat up? BoB did that...how'd that turn out? That he didn't field a top 5 offense/defense? Kubiak did that a few times early on...didn't result in much more winning.

The "horrible at his job" thing is a stupid media-driven narrative that doesn't have any real substance to it other than "he's not the guy we wanted/envisioned in the 1st place". He was always going to make mistakes as a 1st year guy & if you pay ANY attention to the league at large, they all do & have done it. So no matter who you bring in, that guy is going to make some bad mistakes too...i guarantee it...& i want to see that same energy from fans and the media too.

Did you happen to catch Brandon Staley screw his team out of the playoffs this past Sunday?..A guy supposedly more ready to be a HC.......who had more talent to work with and supposed more smarts and ready to embrace the "new" NFL. Here it is 1 year later & It is thought that that dude screwed his team out of at least 2-3 wins this past year with his ass decision making. Oh, by the way that same guy also brought his team to NRG and got his ass kicked by Culley too.

I think the guy deserves at least 1 other year given the circumstances he inherited, but the narrative about him being bad at his job & we can find someone better...That's just BS b/c 1, noone was coming in here and doing anything more with this roster that he did and the challenges it had.......& 2, you don't know that who you bring in next is going to fair any better with what we anticipate this roster looking like next year.
 

Mr teX

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Flores took over a team in his first year that many thought would be winless and won 5 games.

Then he went 10-6. Then this past year he won his last 8 of 9 games.

All while dealing with the Patriots and Bills in his division. And doing this with Fitzpatrick and Tua as his QBs.

He was communicating something right.
Ehhh, the team went 5-11 his 1st year but he came into a relatively good situation. Not only did they go out & spend big money in FA the following year, they had 6 draft picks that were made in the top 70 of the 2020 draft... 3 of those in the top 30 and 5 of those 6 in the top 50. & in much the same way fans downplayed BoB & Kubiak's records when they finished just over .500, (beating up on little sisters of the poor) it was much the same with Flores too. So as impressive as you think his record was in that time, why is it that he was always just missing out on the playoffs...kinda like Kubiak was in those 8-8, 9-7 seasons.
 

steelbtexan

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You probably should direct your anger towards the people who hired Culley. They are equally as inept in firing Culley as they were in hiring Culley.

Maybe you can explain to the board members how it was fiscally responsible to hire a HC and give him a 5 yr. contract, KNOWING, his only purpose was to hang around for a year. Isn't this just pissing away money?

Maybe you can also explain to those of us who do not understand how going through a complete coaching change and staffing after only 1 year is a good thing and not another MAJOR FUBAR.
Anger? LMAO, I dont know where you thought I got that emotion from. It's not my money and it doesn't affect the cap, so I truly dont care. I'm sure Caserio laid out his plan to Cal before he hired a 65 yr old HC. I think the plan was to hire Culley for a couple of yrs, build the team up and then hire the HC that Caserio wanted from the beginning of this rebuild. (I cant prove this) However, whoever Caserio wants must be interviewing for another HC position so that sped up the timeline for letting Culley go. Caserio doesn't want to lose out on his guy. The cost of the sped up timeline is probably between 3-5 mil.

Basically Culley's going to get paid between 5-10 mil for his placeholder status. I'm sure Caserio has his guy that he wants to hire in mind. The question is if Cal is willing to pay the freight of paying off Culley and paying top dollar for Caserio's 1st choice? Nothing so far makes me think Cal wont be willing to pay the freight. I hope I'm right or that attitude of cheapness will doom this franchise.
 

Texian

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Anger? LMAO, I dont know where you thought I got that emotion from. It's not my money and it doesn't affect the cap, so I truly dont care. I'm sure Caserio laid out his plan to Cal before he hired a 65 yr old HC. I think the plan was to hire Culley for a couple of yrs, build the team up and then hire the HC that Caserio wanted from the beginning of this rebuild. (I cant prove this) However, whoever Caserio wants must be interviewing for another HC position so that sped up the timeline for letting Culley go. Caserio doesn't want to lose out on his guy. The cost of the sped up timeline is probably between 3-5 mil.

Basically Culley's going to get paid between 5-10 mil for his placeholder status. I'm sure Caserio has his guy that he wants to hire in mind. The question is if Cal is willing to pay the freight of paying off Culley and paying top dollar for Caserio's 1st choice? Nothing so far makes me think Cal wont be willing to pay the freight. I hope I'm right or that attitude of cheapness will doom this franchise.
Have the Texans fired Culley? I'm not aware that they have. If they are going to fire him, what's the hold up? Everyone else looking for new HC knew the day the season ended they would fire their HC. Why is the File Clerk so conflicted? The Process?
 

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In my mind, the Belichick coaching tree looks like the Charlie Brown Christmas tree before they decorated it. lol

charlie-brown-christmas.jpg

Maybe not the 100+ loss seasons, I wouldn't know, but they showed up ok for the 80-90 loss teams of the 70's & 80's
I think today's Astros fans will now be a lot more devoted since they've brought a World Series championship to the city, and they seem to be able to field a competitive team every year. It gives fans hope and allows them to believe in the front office, which is something Houston football fans have not felt in a long, long time. lol

Disgusting how the Houston sports media is rooting for this dude to be fired….& don’t really have a reason for it other than the same tired excuses they used when he was hired. The rationale is stupid…
I think the media roots for chaos, simply because it helps drive ratings to increase revenue. It's purely self serving.

I think it's bush league to fire a coach after one season, especially under the circumstances of the 2021 Texans. But, honestly, bush league is about what I expect from these owners at this point.
 
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