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Is It time to fire David Culley after 1 year?

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Speedy said:
Again, not saying I expect perfection from a rookie, or anyone for that matter. And let's keep in mind that this rookie has been in the business for 27 years. I do, however, expect things that require no thought at all, not to be fucked up. I don't think that's expecting too much, even if someone's never done it before. I don't know what your experiences are, and it doesn't really doesn't matter. This is football, not rocket science, or brain surgery or garbage collecting. And the guy has been in a coaching capacity in it for 27 years. A young rookie who's been in the league 4 years like Staley, there's going to be some growing pains. Hell, same with Bill O'Brien when he 1st got here, except he never learned a damn thing. And as I've mentioned, even the experienced still make boneheaded decisions. Culley's in-game decisions, and then trying to explain those decisions at the podium afterwards, he just appears to have no clue. I don't give a damn if he's a rookie or not. You can make mistakes, just know what the **** is going on.
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I get it and I don’t disagree with you per say I just think you are letting one mistake that ultimately wouldn’t have mattered be the deciding factor for you. It’s not like Cam Newton not diving on a ball in the Super Bowl or Seahawks passing when they have one of the greatest RBs ever in the Super Bowl. It was a game against the Browns that best case scenario means we would have 4 wins instead of 3 and be in worse draft position. Also he did say he knew he screwed up.

If I had it to do all over again, I would have taken the penalty," Culley told reporters on Monday, per Pro Football Talk. "It was more out of frustration than anything. I was a little frustrated at that time because I was thinking field position, I did not want to do anything that hurt us. ...
That was just out of frustration on my part because of the series we were having at that time. But if I had it to do over again, I would have taken the penalty and given our offense a chance to get the first down, which is what I should have done.

Personally I just like seeing a Texans HC admit he made a mistake, more Han we’ve seen in recent memory.
 
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Number19 said:
Ok, can't disagree.

I can't really comment on Watson because I don't follow that story. But I get the impression most of this "reporting" is via social media, basically click bait. I would say the SI report was reliable. The recent report in the Chronicle regarding the Watson subpoenas is reliable reporting.

By the way, this is really scary. Just about anyone who has been in any kind of contact with him, such as "friends", can, or will, have all their records seized, also. There could potentially be thousands, or tens of thousands, of people who may have their social media records seized in a dragnet to find anything or everything on Watson. I have a very low opinion of Watson, but I find this scary and unacceptable.
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I was referring to all the creditable reporters and stories that swore Watson was going to Miami not his legal situation. One even tweeted, forget who but it was one of the big names, that by the end of the month Watson would be the QB for the Dolphins and a deal was already done.

Also you do realize that any posts you make on social media become the property of that media right? They are free to release whatever information they want pretty much for whatever purpose they want. How do you think a “free” website like Facebook is worth so much?

Any lawyer worth their salt will tell you don’t post anything on social media you don’t want the world to see because the world can and will see it. The privacy laws regarding the internet are still about 10 years behind.
 
banned1976 said:
There is NO WAY you fire a HC that beat the Jacksonville Jaguars twice in one season! NO WAY! And, he has three one game winning streaks in a single season. Are you kidding me?! You've got to keep a guy like that.
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Ok so you want to be sarcastic, well how about this ?
If he'd beat the Colts or the Titans twice this year we'd be headed for the P/Os which would make him coach of the year given the modest
level of talent on this roster.
 
maverick512000 said:
I get it and I don’t disagree with you per say I just think you are letting one mistake that ultimately wouldn’t have mattered be the deciding factor for you. It’s not like Cam Newton not diving on a ball in the Super Bowl or Seahawks passing when they have one of the greatest RBs ever in the Super Bowl. It was a game against the Browns that best case scenario means we would have 4 wins instead of 3 and be in worse draft position. Also he did say he knew he screwed up.

If I had it to do all over again, I would have taken the penalty," Culley told reporters on Monday, per Pro Football Talk. "It was more out of frustration than anything. I was a little frustrated at that time because I was thinking field position, I did not want to do anything that hurt us. ...
That was just out of frustration on my part because of the series we were having at that time. But if I had it to do over again, I would have taken the penalty and given our offense a chance to get the first down, which is what I should have done.

Personally I just like seeing a Texans HC admit he made a mistake, more Han we’ve seen in recent memory.
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There’s more than that one mistake, that one was just the most egregious. And no, none of it really makes much difference with regards to the win-loss record. Vince Lombardi wouldn’t make much difference with the personnel here. Just saying I don’t think he’s HC coach material, and when it does matter around here again, he won’t be the guy. Don’t care if he’s a rookie learning, or that he admits his mistakes or any of that. He’s not HC material from everything I’ve seen of him. Not saying I’m an expert on the matter, just that I see what I see.
 
I can’t defend Culley. He is what he is. From what I’ve seen so far this season I don’t see him coaching here the length of his contract. He’s handcuffed now, so I don’t know how much we can really say about him.

still, I can’t imagine him getting fired at the end of this season. We pretty much got what we expected. No more, no less.

if he’s out after one year of a five year contract, doing pretty much what was expected, then I’ll believe it was part of the plan the whole time. A DAF plan, but you know… Texans.

But if he makes it to his third season & we’re expecting to be sub .500 in year 4. Then he’s just a bad coach. But I don’t think he’s a bad coach. I expect to be in the playoffs year 4, 2024.

so yeah, I’m expecting major improvement in his performance next season
 
leebigeztx said:
If you grew up around black people and know black people, then you should know the last thing black people want are token hires. Caserio and Esterby could've sold the Texans fans on anyone but Culley. All the minorities and non minority coaches were known for something good on a particular side of the ball. Culley wasn't known for anything aside from being a good person. Hell, Lovie, Caldwell, Frazier all fit that bill amongst the black dudes. They could've sold the fans on any of those interviewed except the guy they hired no matter his ethnicity. If Watson was pushing for a minority, which I doubt, the last guy he would push for is Culley. When you know black people and have regular conversations with black people, you would know the hiring of Culley is the worse for any kind of advancement.
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Well, speaking as an African American I didn’t want Lovie or Caldwell…they’re known commodities…and like Culley were likely not going to be around for the duration of the rebuild. Would’ve Been a Jeff Fisher type hire when the Rams hired him.

Frazier I wouldve been cool with only b/c I feel he deserved another chance and he has had recent success as a DC for the Bills and wasn’t too bad with the Vikings as HC.

Bienemy for some reason I’m just not high on…there’s a reason folks keep passing on him.

But him being hired would’ve been sort of a token hire too. Mostly b/c of all the fake outrage about him not being hired as an HC over the last 3 years…despite his “impressive” credentials as “offensive coordinator” for the chiefs. It wouldve been looked at like we hired him b/c “he was due” instead of us hiring the guy we thought was the best candidate.

Your whole notion about “selling fans”…is irrelevant. Fans get behind winners…period & I doubt even you as a fan would give a rats ass about who Culley was or what his credentials were if he came here & won…despite you likely still whining the day he got hired.

And while I don’t believe DW4 explicitly asked for an African American HC….that notion didn’t materialize out of thin air either. At some point he, or someone in his camp may have alluded to that being “a thing”….perhaps trying to nudge them in the direction of hiring Bienemy.
 
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thunderkyss said:
I can’t defend Culley. He is what he is. From what I’ve seen so far this season I don’t see him coaching here the length of his contract. He’s handcuffed now, so I don’t know how much we can really say about him.

still, I can’t imagine him getting fired at the end of this season. We pretty much got what we expected. No more, no less.

if he’s out after one year of a five year contract, doing pretty much what was expected, then I’ll believe it was part of the plan the whole time. A DAF plan, but you know… Texans.

But if he makes it to his third season & we’re expecting to be sub .500 in year 4. Then he’s just a bad coach. But I don’t think he’s a bad coach. I expect to be in the playoffs year 4, 2024.

so yeah, I’m expecting major improvement in his performance next season
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He won't be here the length of his contract, and he will be back next year to continue on what he was brought here to do. People have to get off thinking he was hired to be a real HC. That is not why he was hired. He was hired to handle the media heat, as much as there can be from Houston media, that is, while Caserio and the Pastor set up whatever it is they're setting up. Once whatever that is is deemed ready by them, Culley, already getting a nice retirement fund to do this, will be thanked and McDaniels a legit HC candidate will be brought in.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yes, but

Lackey's that's to be determined.

I sure would like to have a guy like Dinitroff who had put together the talent to have a 28-3 lead on the Patriots in a SB. I would take my chances.
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Bortles had a lead thru 3 quarters in the AFC Championship game vs Brady.
 
Speedy said:
He won't be here the length of his contract, and he will be back next year to continue on what he was brought here to do. People have to get off thinking he was hired to be a real HC. That is not why he was hired. He was hired to handle the media heat, as much as there can be from Houston media, that is, while Caserio and the Pastor set up whatever it is they're setting up. Once whatever that is is deemed ready by them, Culley, already getting a nice retirement fund to do this, will be thanked and McDaniels a legit HC candidate will be brought in.
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Has anyone ever done this in the NFL? GMs don’t have that kind of time to play around.

In baseball? Sure. I’ve seen it done. In basketball, yup. Seen it too. I can’t believe Houston is the first to bring this approach to the NFL.
 
Speedy said:
He won't be here the length of his contract, and he will be back next year to continue on what he was brought here to do. People have to get off thinking he was hired to be a real HC. That is not why he was hired. He was hired to handle the media heat, as much as there can be from Houston media, that is, while Caserio and the Pastor set up whatever it is they're setting up. Once whatever that is is deemed ready by them, Culley, already getting a nice retirement fund to do this, will be thanked and McDaniels a legit HC candidate will be brought in.
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lol, at “real” & “legit” HC……the hoops people jump thru to justify their warped logic.
 
thunderkyss said:
Has anyone ever done this in the NFL? GMs don’t have that kind of time to play around.

In baseball? Sure. I’ve seen it done. In basketball, yup. Seen it too. I can’t believe Houston is the first to bring this approach to the NFL.
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Well, we have Cal McNair going for us, so........
 
thunderkyss said:
Has anyone ever done this in the NFL? GMs don’t have that kind of time to play around.

In baseball? Sure. I’ve seen it done. In basketball, yup. Seen it too. I can’t believe Houston is the first to bring this approach to the NFL.
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Thats b/c it doesn’t happen for exactly the reason you stated. NFL GM’s don’t have that kind of time. They’re just as likely to be fired along with the HC. But where it’s slightly different for Caserio is that The Texans still have money on the books from previous GM’s I believe…plus we’ve blown thru 3 GM’s in the last what 3 years?


So I suppose Caserio could feel he does have that kind of time from Cal…but if in 3 years, we’re still treading water, fans will start to whine and force Cal to do something with him and whomever he has at HC all the same so the pressure is still on.
 
Mr teX said:
But where it’s slightly different for Caserio i
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Imagine you’re on the Texans board & they question Caserio about bad draft picks & FAs that seem to be wasting money.

“look at the scouting reports guys, this is a talented roster. Problem is that cheerleading joker we got coaching the team. He’s just happy to be one of 32 HCs in the league.”

We agree. Who hired that clown?
 
thunderkyss said:
Imagine you’re on the Texans board & they question Caserio about bad draft picks & FAs that seem to be wasting money.

“look at the scouting reports guys, this is a talented roster. Problem is that cheerleading joker we got coaching the team. He’s just happy to be one of 32 HCs in the league.”

We agree. Who hired that clown?
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which reaction below do you think Caserio gives?

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Caserio on the headset during games:

“I go back again to the New England game, I can remember just like it was yesterday that the conversation went, ‘Let them score.’ I heard the conversation, and then all of a sudden it didn’t compute to me at that time. All of a sudden now from that point on I’ve learned to be ahead of those things. When you’re ahead of those things like that, you’re much better to make those decisions. [It does] not mean you’re going to make the right decision, but when you make that decision, you’re pretty sure about making that decision. When you make those decisions, those players know. They know immediately whether you’re going for it on fourth down. A lot of times when we get in a third-down situation, third-and-two or whatnot, I tell [offensive coordinator] Tim [Kelly], ‘You got two downs.’ I want him to make the decision knowing that you’ve got two downs to get this first down. Nobody knows that but he and I. The point is, being able to have those things ahead of time allows us and allows our play callers to be able to do the things that they need to do.”
As McClain noted when he reported that Caserio would have a headset, Caserio did that in New England with coach Bill Belichick. The difference, as a source with knowledge of the dynamics in New England explains it to PFT, is that Belichick wanted Caserio to have a headset in order to better understand the decisions made during games, and the connection between the issues arising in games and the ongoing search for the right players. Caserio didn’t have the headset to speak, but to listen. In Houston, Culley isn’t the one who implemented this approach; Caserio did. And Caserio uses it to speak, not to listen.
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steelbtexan said:
I didn't know Dimitroff played in that game. I do know that he put together a team that should have won a SB. That was his job.
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Before joining the Patriots. Dimitroff had previous scouting experience. He only spent 4 years as Director of scouting with the Patriots and spent 12 years as the Falcons GM. When the Falcons hired him, they had the 3rd pick in the draft and he used that pick on his franchise QB (Matt Ryan).

Yet he never tried hiring a HC from the Belichick staff or run the Patriots' system. He didn't try creating another version of Patriots South. In other words. He preferred hiring Mike Smith and Dan Quinn over McDaniels, O'Brien or any other Patriots assistant.

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure that Dimitroff got some learnings from his time with Patriots. However, to simply praise Dimitroff's because he was a former Patriots' staffer is a bit misleading. Especially when he really didn't spend that much time with the Patriots.

BTW. As GM, Dimitroff won one more (4-6) playoff game than Rick Smith (3-4) and he had a franchise QB his entire tenure. :shades:
 
thunderkyss said:
Has anyone ever done this in the NFL? GMs don’t have that kind of time to play around.

In baseball? Sure. I’ve seen it done. In basketball, yup. Seen it too. I can’t believe Houston is the first to bring this approach to the NFL.
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It dawned on my after reading your post that expecting the Texans to do what is 'standard/traditional' in the NFL is where my thinking is incorrect.

And that's on me, really. I should never expect something that is implied or wished for, but rather I should just accept what is and go on with things. And this is not just about the Texans, but life in general. It's ego and something I've been trying to move away from as I get old(errrr). lol
 
Earl34 said:
Before joining the Patriots. Dimitroff had previous scouting experience. He only spent 4 years as Director of scouting with the Patriots and spent 12 years as the Falcons GM. When the Falcons hired him, they had the 3rd pick in the draft and he used that pick on his franchise QB (Matt Ryan).

Yet he never tried hiring a HC from the Belichick staff or run the Patriots' system. He didn't try creating another version of Patriots South. In other words. He preferred hiring Mike Smith and Dan Quinn over McDaniels, O'Brien or any other Patriots assistant.

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure that Dimitroff got some learnings from his time with Patriots. However, to simply praise Dimitroff's because he was a former Patriots' staffer is a bit misleading. Especially when he really didn't spend that much time with the Patriots.

BTW. As GM, Dimitroff won one more (4-6) playoff game than Rick Smith (3-4) and he had a franchise QB his entire tenure. :shades:
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Has Caserio hired a Pats HC?

I certainly wouldn't mind hiring McDaniels if he decided to hire a HC from the Belichick tree.
 
Mr teX said:
Well, speaking as an African American I didn’t want Lovie or Caldwell…they’re known commodities…and like Culley were likely not going to be around for the duration of the rebuild. Would’ve Been a Jeff Fisher type hire when the Rams hired him.

Frazier I wouldve been cool with only b/c I feel he deserved another chance and he has had recent success as a DC for the Bills and wasn’t too bad with the Vikings as HC.

Bienemy for some reason I’m just not high on…there’s a reason folks keep passing on him.

But him being hired would’ve been sort of a token hire too. Mostly b/c of all the fake outrage about him not being hired as an HC over the last 3 years…despite his “impressive” credentials as “offensive coordinator” for the chiefs. It wouldve been looked at like we hired him b/c “he was due” instead of us hiring the guy we thought was the best candidate.

Your whole notion about “selling fans”…is irrelevant. Fans get behind winners…period & I doubt even you as a fan would give a rats ass about who Culley was or what his credentials were if he came here & won…despite you likely still whining the day he got hired.

And while I don’t believe DW4 explicitly asked for an African American HC….that notion didn’t materialize out of thin air either. At some point he, or someone in his camp may have alluded to that being “a thing”….perhaps trying to nudge them in the direction of hiring Bienemy.
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You remember Sherman Lewis? Thats what EB feels like. Coaches under the mind got head coaching chances except the OC. One minute holmgren is the genius and call all the plays except when it came to mooch,gruden, Reid, and all the other guys who were under Lewis. Nagy and all these other guys build game plans and call plays ,but EB doesn't do any of it and he's a bad interview. Fans in this city still packed the stadium when the team was sorry, but this is different, you know that.
 
leebigeztx said:
You remember Sherman Lewis? Thats what EB feels like. Coaches under the mind got head coaching chances except the OC. One minute holmgren is the genius and call all the plays except when it came to mooch,gruden, Reid, and all the other guys who were under Lewis. Nagy and all these other guys build game plans and call plays ,but EB doesn't do any of it and he's a bad interview. Fans in this city still packed the stadium when the team was sorry, but this is different, you know that.
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Agreed,

I always wondered why Lewis didn't get a HC job. He was certainly qualified. He must've been a terrible interview. Rumors at the time was that he was an alcoholic. But that shouldn't have stopped an owner from hiring him. I've got a feeilng EB is a terrible interview and I've heard he's got skeletons in his closet. (Hiding a rape/Briles style and Briles cant get a job either)

What do you think is different in the city this time around?
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed,

I always wondered why Lewis didn't get a HC job. He was certainly qualified. He must've been a terrible interview. Rumors at the time was that he was an alcoholic. But that shouldn't have stopped an owner from hiring him. I've got a feeilng EB is a terrible interview and I've heard he's got skeletons in his closet. (Hiding a rape/Briles style and Briles cant get a job either)

What do you think is different in the city this time around?
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Unlike the old Oiler fans, this fan base is more hostile towards ownership. Not to mention, people have more options also and are alot more aware of their entertainment dollar. I posted a link where fans are bringing signs pointing at the disgust they have for Cal and Jack. I've never seen the fans do that even last yr or the 2-14 season. A person like me who used to spend alot of money 5 50 yd line seats along with food and drink wontveven watch games live. They're not even getting my Neilson ratings. They don't deserve it and alot of fans are just showing up to boo with signs.
 
leebigeztx said:
Unlike the old Oiler fans, this fan base is more hostile towards ownership. Not to mention, people have more options also and are alot more aware of their entertainment dollar. I posted a link where fans are bringing signs pointing at the disgust they have for Cal and Jack. I've never seen the fans do that even last yr or the 2-14 season. A person like me who used to spend alot of money 5 50 yd line seats along with food and drink wontveven watch games live. They're not even getting my Neilson ratings. They don't deserve it and alot of fans are just showing up to boo with signs.
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Apparently you dont remember the last yr of the Oilers.

If the Texans win and Caserio can build a contender fans will comeback. Right now I believe alot of the hosility is coming from the pro Derrick crowd and yes, when Derrick pulled his crap that sent a message that the team needed to be rebuilt from the ground up and most fans either dont understand what a rebuild entails or they understand and dont have the stomach for another rebuild. What I find almost as humorous as anything else is that they've won just as many games without Derrick as with him and the fans act this way. Trust me when I say if they win the fans will be back.

I went to the game with a MB member Sunday and he explained to me something that I never really thought of, some fans want a Texan leading the Texans. (See Kubiak) Me I just want to see a true contender. Funny thing is that the Texans org needed and has been needed to be rebuilt from the ground up (This includes the FO/Rootes etc...) for the last few yrs instead of just putting band aids on the true issues.
 
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thunderkyss said:
I'm not seeing that. Most of the ire is coming from the dumb things Cal did. 2.5/3 years in most of us knew O'Brien was in over his head. Cal made him the GM 3 years later.
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How many of the fans not attending games are avid enough to know of what you speak. I've been a loyal fan since day one and I don't know most of the stuff complained about on this board simply because it doesn't interest me and I don't really care. I just want to watch football and root for the home team. A lot of time and effort has to be made to be aware of all this stuff.

And you have to figure in covid.

I agree that winning will solve attendance.
 
Number19 said:
How many of the fans not attending games are avid enough to know of what you speak. I've been a loyal fan since day one and I don't know most of the stuff complained about on this board simply because it doesn't interest me and I don't really care.
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Interesting.

What did you think of Bill O'Brien?
 
leebigeztx said:
Unlike the old Oiler fans, this fan base is more hostile towards ownership.
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When rhe Oilers stopped winning, fans stopped going to the games... I could walk up ro the ticket window 30 min before kickoff and get my choice of seats
leebigeztx said:
alot of fans are just showing up to boo with signs.
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How many are alot? 1 or 2?
Houston fans are bandwagon, front-runners who will support a winner and barely pet up with a loser... baseball being the possible exception
 
JB said:
When rhe Oilers stopped winning, fans stopped going to the games... I could walk up ro the ticket window 30 min before kickoff and get my choice of seats
How many are alot? 1 or 2?
Houston fans are bandwagon, front-runners who will support a winner and barely pet up with a loser... baseball being the possible exception
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Agreed

The fans have supported the Texans remarkably well considering the product they've put on the field the last 20 yrs.
 
leebigeztx said:
You remember Sherman Lewis? Thats what EB feels like. Coaches under the mind got head coaching chances except the OC. One minute holmgren is the genius and call all the plays except when it came to mooch,gruden, Reid, and all the other guys who were under Lewis. Nagy and all these other guys build game plans and call plays ,but EB doesn't do any of it and he's a bad interview. Fans in this city still packed the stadium when the team was sorry, but this is different, you know that.
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leebigeztx said:
You remember Sherman Lewis? Thats what EB feels like. Coaches under the mind got head coaching chances except the OC. One minute holmgren is the genius and call all the plays except when it came to mooch,gruden, Reid, and all the other guys who were under Lewis. Nagy and all these other guys build game plans and call plays ,but EB doesn't do any of it and he's a bad interview. Fans in this city still packed the stadium when the team was sorry, but this is different, you know that.
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After 3 years and multiple AA guys being selected for a gig since the hype around Bienemy began…..including the 1st Muslim HC……….. I think it’s more likely EB doesn’t have a gig b/c he doesn’t want one and/or is just being picky…which is smart on his part..he wants the best set up he can get…but it doesn’t lend itself to getting a gig right away. There’s also the possibility that he’s holding out for a specific job. It was rumored that Minnesota and Chicago were going to fire their HC’s last year…..& then it didn’t happen. Those teams were/are set up for a new guy to come in and have immediate success.

Furthermore The bad interview thing is just 1 rumor. There’s also the rumor that started after he interviewed here that he asked for basically complete control of all personnel…which if that is in fact true, there’s no reason to believe he didn’t ask other teams for the same thing which obviously could be a deal breaker for a lot of owners.

We know Reid’s not holding him back…rumor is they’ve been trying to get EB to move to take a HC position for a while b/c they want to elevate Kafka to OC…a guy who is now starting to get some hype despite only being aN offensive assistant. I just find it hard to believe that after 3 years none of these team want to hire the dude MAINLY b/c he interviews bad. Something else is going on there and I’d bet it has more to do with Bienemy than the hood ol’ boy network holding him down. Hell Byron Leftwitch, Jerrod Mayo and Raheem Morris’ names have started to come up.
 
JB said:
Houston fans are bandwagon, front-runners who will support a winner and barely pet up with a loser... baseball being the possible exception
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Alot of the true fans of Houston sports like myself don’t like to hear that, but this is the truth…especially as it pertains to Houston pro football b/c between 2 franchises it’s the 1 sport that hasn’t won anything. people are still holding onto the Gamblers and the Luv ya Blue Oilers for Christs sake.

& without even 1 AFCCG appearance, fans will continue to crap on the Texans…b/c that just how fans are here…not many diehards like myself.
 
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