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ObsiWan

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Any word/rumors on whether Watt did sustained any damage/re-injury last Saturday?

...speculation is also most acceptable :D
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Although not official, from what I'm hearing, Clark is in the concussion protocol..........still waiting for confirmation. If confirmed, this is the 2nd concussion he has suffered in the past 4 1/2 months.............he was placed on IR by the Saints the end of TC, then released with an injury settlement shortly thereafter. With this history and if the recent episode is confirmed, there is no way he should be allowed to be cleared to play Sunday.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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CHIEFS WEDNESDAY INJURY REPORT

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*NON-CONTACT PRACTICE WEEK

CB CLAIBORNE [SHOULDER]............SUSTAINED A SHOULDER DISLOCATION WEEK 13..........TRIED TO PRACTICE IN A LIMITED CAPACITY BOTH WEEK 16 AND 17, BUT BOTH WEEKS NOT BEING ABLE TO PRACTICE BY FRIDAY............HAS NOT PLAYED SINCE WEEK 13.............DID NOT PRACTICE TODAY SUPPOSEDLY UNRELATED TO INJURY...............WILL BE QUESTIONABLE FOR SUNDAY, BUT IF HE PLAYS IT WILL BE WITH A HARNESS.......THE TIME OFF ALONE WILL MAKE IT UNLIKELY THAT HIS PERFORMANCE WILL NOT BE COMPROMISED IF HE DOES PLAY............HIS SHOULDER HAS GONE THROUGH ALOT...........SEPT 2013 IN THE SEASON OPENER, HE DISLOCATED HIS LEFT SHOULDER, WITHOUT MISSING A GAME, HE UNDERWENT SUBSEQUENT OFFSEASON LABRUM SURGERY...........IN 2014, HE MISSED 2 WEEKS OF TC AND 2 PRESEASON GAMES TO AN A/C JOINT SEPARATION OF HIS RIGHT SHOULDER............DECEMBER 2018, HE MISSED THE SEASON FINALE TO A SHOULDER DISLOCATION

OG ANDREW WYLIE [ANKLE/SHOULDER]............SUFFERED A GRADE HIGH ANKLE SPRAIN WEEK 5 AND MISSED THE SUBSEQUENT 3 WEEKS............SUFFERED A SHOULDER DISLOCATION WEEK 14 AND PLAYED THROUGH IT..........BUT NEXT WEEK RE-INJURED HIS ANKLE WITH HIS SHOULDER INJURY EXTENDING, THE COMBINATION RESULTING IN MISSING WEEK 16 AND 17...........IF NO SETBACKS, WILL PROBABLY PLAY COMPROMISED

TE TRAVIS KELCE [KNEE]...........NEW.........SHOWED UP WITH KNEE SWELLING AND SORENESS...............HAD HISTORY OF KNEE BONE BRUISE AND ARTICULAR CARTILAGE DAMAGE LEADING TO KNEE SCOPE THE BEGINNING OF 2012......THEN A SMALL AREA OF MICROFRACTURE SURGERY WAS PERFORMED THE END OF 2013 FROM THE ORIGINAL INJURY INCURRED THE BEGINNING OF 2013............HAD ANKLE SURGERY THIS PAST OFFSEASON...........EXPECT HIM TO PLAY SUNDAY UNLESS HIS HEART IS CUT OUT

C AUSTIN REITER [WRIST]......SUFFERED A WRIST SPRAIN WEEK 16............HAS MISSED NO GAMES..........WILL NOT MISS THIS ONE

DE TANOH KPASSAGNON [NECK].........NEW..........NECK STRAIN..........WILL NOT MISS SUNDAY
 
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CloakNNNdagger

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*ANOTHER NON-CONTACT PRACTICE WEEK

MARTIN [ILLNESS]...........NEW.........WILL NOT BE MESSING ARROWHEAD'S STADIUM CARPET WITH HIS VOMITUS AND DIARRHEA BY SUNDAY

ADDAE [KNEE]..........NEW...........THE FOOT BONE'S CONNECTED TO THE SHIN BONE (BY THE ACHILLES), THE SHIN BONE'S CONNECTED TO THE KNEE BONE (BY THE MCL)..........WHEN ONE'S NOT HAPPY, NEITHER IS HAPPY.............THEY'LL BE HAPPIER BY SUNDAY

AKINS [HAMSTRING]...........SUFFERED A GRADE I HAMSTRING IN LAST WEEK'S THURSDAY PRACTICE...........ONCE HE LEARNED HIS HAMSTRING WASN'T GOING TO END UP ON A MENU, HE QUICKLY DROPPED HIS FEAR AND ADAPTED HIS REHAB SCHEDULE JUST IN TIME TO PLAY LAST GAME...........

CROSSEN [HAMSTRING]..........NEW.........GRADE 1 TEAR...........BEND BUT DON'T BREAK DID NOT WORK OUT FOR HIS HAMSTRING...........WILL BE QUESTIONABLE FOR SUNDAY AND SIGNIFICANT RISK IF HE DOES PLAY..............BUT THIS IS WHERE ALL STOPS ARE REMOVED

FULLER [GROIN]............BARRING A SETBACK, EVEN THOUGH A 3 WEEK RETURN IS TOO EARLY, EXPECT TO SEE HIM OUT THERE SUNDAY STRETCHING THE FIELD...........WHILE PRAYING HE DOES NOT STRETCH HIS GROIN OR HAMSTRING WITH IT

JOSEPH [HAMSTRING].............HAS HAD ENOUGH, AND LIKE CROSSEN AND FULLER, HAS SWORN OFF OF PORK........EXPECTING GOING KOSHER WILL DO THE TRICK THIS TIME

MOORE [HIP]............NEW.........DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE ONLY PLAYER ON THE TEAM NOT TO BE ON AN INJURY REPORT............SHORT OF SET BACK, HE'LL BE SWINGING THOSE HIPS OFTEN SUNDAY

STILLS [KNEE]............STILL HAS A KNEE, AND HE WILL USE IT SUNDAY

WATT [SHOULDER].............HE IS AGAIN EXPECTED TO SHOULDER THE LOAD.............HOPEFULLY NOT SO MUCH THAT IT..............SHHHHH

CLARK [CONCUSSION]..........NOT OUT OF THE PROTOCOL............HAS PLAYED FOR US AS THOUGH HE WAS STILL AFFLICTED BY THE KNOCK IN THE HEAD HE ORIGINALLY RECIEVED WHILE WITH THE SAINTS AT THE END OF THIS PAST TC............SHOULD NOT BE RETURNING TO PLAYING THE ROLE OF TURNSTILE SO SOON
 

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CloakNNNdagger

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*ANOTHER NON-CONTACT PRACTICE WEEK

MARTIN [ILLNESS]...........NEW.........WILL NOT BE MESSING NRG'S CARPET WITH HIS VOMITUS AND DIARRHEA BY SUNDAY

ADDAE [KNEE]..........NEW...........THE FOOT BONE'S CONNECTED TO THE SHIN BONE (BY THE ACHILLES), THE SHIN BONE'S CONNECTED TO THE KNEE BONE (THE MCL)..........WHEN ONE'S NOT HAPPY, NEITHER IS HAPPY.............THEY'LL BE HAPPIER BY SUNDAY

AKINS [HAMSTRING]...........SUFFERED A GRADE I HAMSTRING IN LAST WEEK'S THURSDAY PRACTICE...........ONCE HE LEARNED HIS HAMSTRING WASN'T GOING TO END UP ON A MENU, HE QUICKLY DROPPED HIS FEAR AND ADAPTED HIS REHAB SCHEDULE JUST IN TIME TO PLAY LAST GAME...........

CROSSEN [HAMSTRING]..........NEW.........GRADE 1 TEAR...........BEND BUT DON'T BREAK DID NOT WORK OUT FOR HIS HAMSTRING...........WILL BE QUESTIONABLE FOR SUNDAY AND SIGNIFICANT RISK IF HE DOES PLAY..............BUT THIS IS WHERE ALL STOPS ARE REMOVED
FULLER [GROIN]............BARRING A SETBACK, EVEN THOUGH A 3 WEEK RETURN IS TOO EARLY, EXPECT TO SEE HIM OUT THERE SUNDAY STRETCHING THE FIELD...........WHILE PRAYING HE DOES NOT STRETCH HIS GROIN OR HAMSTRING WITH IT\

JOSEPH [HAMSTRING].............HAS HAD ENOUGH, AND LIKE CROSSEN AND FULLER, HAS SWORN OFF OF PORK........EXPECTING GOING KOSHER WILL DO THE TRICK THIS TIME

MOORE [HIP]............NEW.........DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE ONLY PLAYER ON THE TEAM NOT TO BE ON AN INJURY REPORT............SHORT OF SET BACK, HE'LL BE SWINGING THOSE HIPS OFTEN SUNDAY

STILLS [KNEE]............STILL HAS A KNEE, AND HE WILL USE IT SUNDAY

WATT [SHOULDER].............HE IS AGAIN EXPECTED TO SHOULDER THE LOAD.............HOPEFULLY NOT SO MUCH THAT IT..............SHHHHH

CLARK [CONCUSSION]..........NOT OUT OF THE PROTOCOL............HAS PLAYED FOR US AS THOUGH HE WAS STILL AFFLICTED BY THE KNOCK IN THE HEAD HE ORIGINALLY RECIEVED WHILE WITH THE SAINTS AT THE END OF THIS PAST TC............SHOULD NOT BE RETURNING TO PLAYING THE ROLE OF TURNSTILE SO SOON
No, Martin will not mess up the NRG carpet Sunday, for the game is in KC. I hope he can play.

Fuller might as well play since it's likely the last game and he might be gone next season anyway. It's especially likely to be the last game if he doesn't play. Better to be knocked out for the CC game than never reach the CC game.

We're better off without Clark. Johnson can play better. Can Howard be activated off IR?
 

CloakNNNdagger

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No, Martin will not mess up the NRG carpet Sunday, for the game is in KC. I hope he can play.

Fuller might as well play since it's likely the last game and he might be gone next season anyway. It's especially likely to be the last game if he doesn't play. Better to be knocked out for the CC game than never reach the CC game.

We're better off without Clark. Johnson can play better. Can Howard be activated off IR?
No. We used up our last designated return player with Watt.............the first was Jordan Thomas................only two per season are allowed.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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No, Martin will not mess up the NRG carpet Sunday, for the game is in KC. I hope he can play.

Fuller might as well play since it's likely the last game and he might be gone next season anyway. It's especially likely to be the last game if he doesn't play. Better to be knocked out for the CC game than never reach the CC game.

We're better off without Clark. Johnson can play better. Can Howard be activated off IR?
Noted and changed, thanks. Martin will not miss this game.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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CHIEFS THURSDAY INJURY REPORT

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ALL APPEARS TO REMAIN UNCHANGED FOR THOSE ON WEDNESDAY'S INJURY REPORT..............WITH IMPRESSIONS NOT CHANGING FROM YESTERDAY.

THERE IS ONE ADDITION TO THE REPORT...........

DT CHRIS JONES [CALF]..........NEW............SUSTAINED EARLIER IN PRACTICE.........EVEN GRADE 1 CALF STRAINS ARE DIFFICULT TO COME BACK FROM WITHIN A WEEK...........IF HE DOES PLAY, PERFORMANCE WILL BE AFFECTED AND/OR HE IS LIKELY TO FURTHER INJURY..............AN INJURED CALF MUSCLE DOESN'T ESPECIALLY LIKE 3O DEGREE WEATHER
 
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NOTHING UNEXPECTED IN THE STATUS CLASSIFICATIONS (QUESTIONABLES MORE FOR THE CHIEFS TO BE KEPT GUESSING), BUT EXPECT MOST EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO PLAY SUNDAY

FELLS [HIP].............NEW.............APPARENTLY A HIP POINTER SUSTAINED IN PRACTICE...........THAT'S WHAT YOUS GET WHEN YOUS FELLS.............STILL LIKELY TO BE OUT THERE SUNDAY
 

CloakNNNdagger

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CHIEFS FRIDAY STATUS INJURY REPORT


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KELCE WILL PLAY..........BUT A CHANCE HIS PERFORMANCE COULD BE AFFECTED...........HOPEFULLY

JONES...........NOT A GOOD SIGN THAT HE WAS NOT OUT THERE DURING A WALK-THROUGH............SHOULD NOT PLAY THIS SOON AFTER A CALF STRAIN.........IF HE DOES, PERFORMANCE WILL BE AFFECTED, AND HIS RISK OF EXTENDING HIS CALF INJURY OR SUFFERING A COMPENSATORY INJURY IS HIGH
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Hey, Doc! Any thoughts on Justin Reid playing the entire season with a shoulder labrum tear?
Reid played through his injury for much of last year, suggesting his shoulder with the help of the brace helped retain a semblance of stability after the tear. It also suggests the surrounding bone did not sustain severe damage. Playing through the injury and having multiple subluxations/dislocations during the year [http://www.texanstalk.com/threads/texans-random-thought-of-the-day.77396/post-3042922]will have undoubtedly extended the labrum damage, probably caused some boney damage (setting him up for later arthritis), and possibly created a biceps tendonitis condition.

His recovery time will depend on the extent of damage within the joint—which, despite MRI imaging, will not be precisely known until his surgeon directly observes the inside of the joint while in the operating room—but barring complications it can approach 4-6 months.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Conley has just undergone what is reported as a minor procedure consisting of "removal of a screw from his ankle." Back in Nov 2017, while with the Raiders, Conley was originally diagnosed as severe "shin splints." However, after not being able to stay on the field and going through prolonged conservative treatment, he was finally taken to surgery where surgery was performed for what would turn out to be a tibial stress fracture. Usually, these fractures are repaired with a plate with screws, or a rod with screws to keep it from moving. Screws are usually not removed unless they cause pain or become loose or infected. Why a screw was in the ankle is a little curious unless the the fracture was very low on the tibia and the plate extended to the ankle

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or he actually had a high ankle sprain/fibula fracture in addition to the tibial stress fracture.

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This is one procedure that can indeed be considered "minor." The removal of a screw from any of these applications should result in a quick easy non-eventful recovery.
 

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Will Fuller underwent sports hernia surgery
 

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CloakNNNdagger

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Mancz has now undergone a scope ankle surgery. He injured the ankle in the Packers preseason game. Since his Oct 2015 knee surgery, he has continued to have problems with the knee, putting additional stress on his other lower extremity joints. Now with a history of 2 lower extremity issues, his already mediocre performance is not going to be helped.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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McKinney has just undergone an arthroscopic ankle cleanup. The most common reason for this is to address post ankle sprain damage (seen in ~10% of significant sprains) to the articular cartilage or bone (in the form of chips or spurs)..........to clean up (usually shave or remove) the residual loose scar, cartilage or bone fragments. As he has been playing with this most all season, the damage due to grinding of structures within the joint would likely have extended the damage. None the less, the Texans are being strangely non-committal about his timeline saying that his is expected back for week 1.

Expected return to play from a typical arthroscopic ankle cleanup is 2-2 1/2 months...........so for McKinney, if what was performed was actually the case, you would expect his return practice by early May............way before Sept (@ 7 months in week 1).......
 
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CloakNNNdagger

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Justin Reid has been taken out of his sling today. His surgery was on Jan 23. Post shoulder labrum surgery, a player is usually placed in a sling for ~4-6 weeks..........so Reid is simply "on schedule"............of course, too early to make anything out of this regarding his prognosis.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Talk about hush hush.

Sources: Texans' Laremy Tunsil recovering from shoulder labrum surgery
Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle
Tunsil sustained the injury late in the 4th Q of week 8 against the Raiders. He did not return following his exit for the injury. Although not reported, it is a surgery of his left shoulder. This is not the first time that Tunsil has injured his left shoulder. Back in 2016 with the Dolphins, I noticed that he was wearing a shoulder harness the last half of the season. That told me he had suffered a shoulder dislocation.

Following an initial traumatic shoulder dislocation, the incidence of recurrent instability (dislocation/subluxation) ranges from 14% to 100%. The risk of recurrent dislocations is influenced by the age at the time of initial dislocation. In patients <20 years old the rate of recurrent instability is 72–100%, in those aged between 20-30 years it is 70–82% and in patients >50 years old it is 14–22%.

The most common cause of a shoulder labral tear is a shoulder dislocation. Recurrence of dislocation almost ensures this injury.

As I've posted in the past............many players will choose not to have surgery after a single dislocation, despite the high recurrence rate. Typically, a surgeon will strongly recommend surgery if there is a recurrent dislocation, as this carries with it increased damage to the labrum and articular cartilage.

Once surgical repair is performed, recurrent shoulder instability has been reported in only ~7% over 2 years and ~25% over 8 years (as compared to the figures I have given for conservative treatment above).
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Texans' Justin Reid: 'My shoulder has been doing great'

Home rehab does not really allow for close coverage of progress. That will be Reid's first hurdle to clear. After that, ee won't find out how his shoulder performs and holds up without full contact over a significant period of time. Studies have shown return rates between 70-100%, with most ~80%. Then, repair failure/recurrence can occur in the future in ~15-20%.
 

KoolAid Sipper

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@CloakNNNdagger , Doc can you expound on David Johnson's wrist if you haven't already. I think I read somewhere that he passed an independent exam on it but the doctor was hesitant to clear him because he still doesn't have full range of motion.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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@CloakNNNdagger , Doc can you expound on David Johnson's wrist if you haven't already. I think I read somewhere that he passed an independent exam on it but the doctor was hesitant to clear him because he still doesn't have full range of motion.
Are you sure it wasn't a 2018 report.

In 2017, Johnson had a delayed diagnosis of his wrist injury. He was tackled and fell on his outstretched hand, was examined and thrown back out there as a minor sprain...........but on the next play, he had trouble hanging onto the ball, fumbled it and was done for the day. X-rays were taken and the dislocation was missed.........with a diagnosis of sprained wrist maintained. He continued to have severe pain with wrist motion and was finally diagnosed with a dislocated wrist. An operative reduction was performed, but the exact repair procedures were not revealed. It is likely that he suffered some ligament damage. Also, although not officially reported, ~50% of common dislocations are accompanied by a wrist bone fracture, and I have heard that was his case also.

What is not uncommon with these injuries is they can result in chronic pain, arthritis, some loss of strength and some decreased range of motion. When he returned in 2018, 2 of his 3 fumbles were in the first 6 weeks and resulted in losses of the ball.........the 3rd which occurred in game 14 was not lost. Coming back from a wrist dislocation requiring surgery typically requires a year to return strength to the wrist. So the lost fumbles at the beginning of the season would not be that surprising. Last year, in 94 carries and 36 receptions he only had 1 fumble. That Sept, he fell awkwardly on his wrist again, and the concerns were for another dislocation or fracture of the same wrist, but he was taped up and finished the remainder of the game without any problem........in fact, went on to score a TD that game. It is interesting to note that Johnson had much greater problems with fumbles in his time prior to his wrist injury.

At this point in time, the decreased range of motion is unlikely to affect him as a runner or a receiver. His injury was to his left wrist. He is right handed, so he typically carries the ball in his left hand.............with the right hand expected to be exposed to the most trauma, as when he uses his stiff arm.
 
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Hey CnD now that Cooks is here how likely is he to get his 6th concussion? I admit for all I've heard about them I actually know little of how concussions work. Are they like Heat Stroke where after the first one you are more likely to get another? Five concussions in six years does sound like a lot.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Hey CnD now that Cooks is here how likely is he to get his 6th concussion? I admit for all I've heard about them I actually know little of how concussions work. Are they like Heat Stroke where after the first one you are more likely to get another? Five concussions in six years does sound like a lot.
Cooks has suffered 5 known concussions in his NfL career, including two last season (within a 25 day period) and one the year before. He also left Super Bowl LII with a concussion while playing for the Patriots, making this his fourth in less than 3 years.

Normally, with this history, you would expect that he would be a very high risk for subsequent concussions. But his case is very unique. All of his concussions were grade I with his symptoms totally disappearing the day after the trauma. And his 2014 concussion was later deemed not to officially be a concussion at all......the Saints later admitted that they were being extra careful with their 1st round pick.

It is important to note, that in his NFL career, he has played 88 of 96 games..........and only 2 of his missed games were due to concussion (his 2nd last year within 25 days......therefore, extra precaution despite being mild).

Understand that while I cannot predict his future with exact numbers, it is concerning any time a player sustains a concussion, and he is likely some increased risk for low grade concussion in the future............ but a grade I properly treated leaves virtually no residual effects and little increased risk for subsequent major concussion.
 
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TexanFan881

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Cooks has suffered 5 known concussions in his NfL career, including two last season (within a 25 day period) and one the year before. He also left Super Bowl LII with a concussion while playing for the Patriots, making this his fourth in less than

Normally, with this history, you would expect that he would be a very high risk for subsequent concussions. But his case is very unique. All of his concussions were grade I with his symptoms totally disappearing the day after the trauma. And his 2014 concussion was later deemed not to officially be a concussion at all......the Saints later admitted that they were being extra careful with their 1st round pick.

It is important to note, that in his NFL career, he has played 88 of 96 games..........and only 2 of his missed games were due to concussion (his 2nd last year within 25 days......therefore, extra precaution despite being mild).

Understand that while I cannot predict his future with exact numbers, it is concerning any time a player sustains a concussion, and he is likely some increased risk for low grade concussion in the future............ but a grade I properly treated leaves virtually no residual effects and little increased risk for subsequent major concussion.
Love this board, but you're the reason I keep visiting. Thank you for the knowledge when everyone out their is freaking out about is concussion history, making this a bad trade.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Fuller is reportedly doing well (as he should be by now) following his January "sports hernia" core surgery. As I have posted in the past, most elite athletes will already have either a contralateral "hernia" or weakness of that contralateral side, or develop one on that side sometime in the future. Therefore, the contralateral side is usually repaired/reinforced at the same sitting in order to avoid the need of a second separate surgery when the inevitable occurs....................consistent with the aforementioned, Fuller underwent bilateral "sports hernia" core surgery in January.
 


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