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im done with schaub
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ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
sissy
Brandon420tx
Flounder
I think your asking me if I would take him over those names.
I would definately take Brees, Rodgers, and Brady over Schaub. The other 3 have their plusses and minuses.
My point was you pretty much said that Schaub is the number 11 QB in the league right now, and that we can go to QBMart and just pick up a new elite QB talent. If it was so easy then why haven't those other 21 teams not done yet?
Joeycharp89
Waterboy
Once again, how would we get any of those guys? You see elite QBs bumming around as free agents? Maybe Favre?
TexCanada
All Pro
Did you not see how we moved the ball today? We scored 33 points. 33 points should be enough to win a game.
I would like to see Matt traded.
I would like to see him with a team that can play defense. He would be All-Pro.
How many Houston fans didnt think the defense was going to give up a TD in every posession in the fourth quarter?
Matt leads a drive to set up the win with 2 minutes left. What's my only thought?
ooops...We scored too quickly.
Let Matt go somewhere else. He dewserves it after the years he has suffered here.
MEGA SWATT
All Pro
Then our only hope is that he improves, and gets more consistent and makes better decisions under pressure. I mean, what else are we supposed to do? We can keep improving our defense and hope to stay healthy. On offense, bringing in a healthy AF will help for sure.
I mean it's not as easy as going to the Franchise QB store and picking one up.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Can't believe you're saying you'd take Sanchez over Schaub, the dude has his faults but c'mon man Sanchez is holding the Jets back from being great not helping them to be really good.
Moving on to Schaub today, not that I think we should run him out of town or anything but he has a lot to work on for me.
This season he doesn't seem to have got into the zone with Andre, I've seen the ball bouncing out of AJ's hands too many times so far and logic leads me to believe that its Schaub's timing rather than AJ having hands of stone.
His pocket presence looks to have regressed somewhat, our O-line is built to concentrate on the run and is doing a very good job in that area but allows pressure to penetrate in Pass Pro.
Schaub doesn't do a good enough job of finding the check down when that happens, and frankly, when the line is setup the way it is, its on the QB to find a way of coping with that, we're not asking for Michael Vick or anything here, just feel the pressure coming and slide, and know where your RB is to get the ball out.
I definately believe all of these problems have come from Schaubs turnover problems earlier in his career, I think Kubiak designs the O to either get the 1st down or protect the ball.
I'm not sure we'll ever fully understand how good Schaub is tbh, in my mind there is the possibility that his elite numbers are genuine and he is a really good (not great) QB in a system which is designed to support the run as much as possible and then pass the ball. On the other hand he could be totally average in a great system that gets him the yardage. I really don't know, but I certainly wouldn't be looking to get rid of him while we have other priorities.
badboy
Hall of Fame
all pro maybe but if he goes to a team without a hall of fame WR (AJ) and an all pro TE (OD) and a very good RB (Tate or Foster) he will only be a below average QB.
TexCanada
All Pro
And that was Schaub's fault? What hope does a QB have in the redzone when we call plays that include having Slaton in the backfield, or just no RB at all?
Schaub would be great if he never gets hit or had to scramble. Once he gets pressure he is toast and panicks. I still cant remember him making a throw and getting crunched as he is doing it because thats what it takes. Instead I see his feet get jittery and him short arm the ball for a skip pass or INT. He doesnt like to get his uniform dirty. Brees on the other hand is a tough little bastard and is willing to do whatever it takes to win.
Come on schaub grabbing his head like he had really been hit was embarrassing.
Come on schaub grabbing his head like he had really been hit was embarrassing.
Air Canada
Waterboy
badboy
Hall of Fame
Because Slaton can run the ball in or slip out to catch the ball and be overlooked by defense focusing on AJ and TEs.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
thirty three points is nothing in an offense driven league, saints avg 32 before this game and hit how many today
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
is it just me or did sanchez beat peyton then brady last year in the PLAYOFFS, not saying anything just saying
I 'll take that bet. You seem to have lost track of the fact that he has been one of the most prolific qb's in the nfl. It's the defense that has cost him several years of his career.
But that's OK....A fan base of years of losing wouldnt know a good qb if he looked them in the face.
Despite having an All World WR an All Pro TE and a good running game .... Schaub has lost more games than he has won.
So he's thrown for 4000 in back to back years ..... because they were so often behind and had to throw
Schaub's had a history of getting coming up short in the red zone ..... Today that bit them in the ass.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
point is hes good but not great, didn't dre go to probowl with **** as his qb
badboy
Hall of Fame
I like Schaub especially for this team but he is prolific because his recievers catch passes not on target and that is on Matt. The D has cost him games but not sure how you mean cost him years?
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Yeh but Sanchez manages the game ok, but he isn't all that good, maybe above average, but no better than Schaub.
He also had 2 really good wide receivers splitting the coverage, Schaub has 1 in double coverage constantly. (not a knock on our decent depth at wr, just calling it as I see it)
He also has one of the top rated D's in this league.
I'd take Schaub over Sanchez, I'd take the Jet's D over last years Texans' D even quicker.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
so what about peytons and bradys D, sanchez is not on their level nor is their D on sanchez's, who is their wr that demands constant doubles? by the way sanchez is 4-2 on the road in the playoffs, matt 0-0
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Sanchez sucks but he is better than Schaub.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
The thing is, even the "perfect" QB's have bad days. We just don't see them because we're always watching the Texans. At most we see the highlights or we might watch the replay on NFLN if we care about that matchup or want to see "Mr. Perfect" screw the pooch for once. After it's over we forget about it mostly.
Schaub isn't a perfect QB. He's got problems. To say he doesn't is to watch the game through homer-vision goggles. His shortcomings are well known and just like almost every other team in the league we build our game plans around them while every defense in the league tries to exploit them.
Schaub's arm isn't exactly the ultimate weapon. Usually that's not an issue if the guy is terribly accurate. Schaub isn't. He's a streaky passer who threads needles sometimes and then throws one in the dirt or into the receivers back or ass. Schaub (like almost all QB's) is less effective when he's been smacked around a few times.
That's all pretty standard fare though. The real deal-breaker for most of us is that Schaub doesn't seem to be that vocal, "rallying point" leader-type. He's Gary only in uniform and throwing the ball as opposed to standing on the sidelines. As much as the players like him (just as they like Gary) they don't seem to be much in the way of inspired by him. Not one single guy on that team looks like he thinks Matt Schaub is going to throw all of them on his back and carry them to a win.
He's a good QB. Does what he's told, follows instructions and tries to execute the game plan. He's got most of the necessary tools to do the job. A lot of teams would like to have Matt Schaub starting for them. Unfortunately none of those teams are better than we are. That's a simple fact. You look at teams that are considered contenders in the AFC and all of them would say "Thanks but we'll stand pat" if you tried to swap them yours for theirs. New England wouldn't part with Brady nor would San Diego part with Rivers. Indianapolis wouldn't part with Manning and Pittsburgh wouldn't swap you for Big Ben. Likewise Baltimore wouldn't trade you Flacco. I question whether Buffalo would part with Fitzpatrick right now either. Jason Campbell in Oakland finally seems to be getting his legs under him as well. Statistically he's not in this discussion but he's not costing them games and sometimes that's all you want out of your QB.
The Jets would laugh if you tried to swap them Schaub for Sanchez.
You may think he's better than some of those guys but do you really think they would want Matt Schaub over their guy?
So in the AFC if you rule out those teams that appear (right now) to be headed for the post-season that leaves.
Jacksonville - Gabbert
Cincinnati - Dalton
Miami - Henne
Cleveland - McCoy
Denver - Orton
Tennessee - Hasselbeck
Kansas City - Cassell
Indianapolis - Collins
Over the hill guys and wet-behind the ears newcomers make up most of that list. Good company to be in. That's the hill that Matt Schaub is the king of right now and some of those younger guys might be surpassing him in the coming years.
There's a reason Gary Kubiak is always looking under rocks and sifting through the latter rounds for an overlooked QB prospect. Matt Schaub is exactly what he appears to be and that is a guy who is as coached up as he's ever gonna get.
And I like Matt Schaub. Don't think for a second that I don't like him. We need to upgrade that position though.
Schaub isn't a perfect QB. He's got problems. To say he doesn't is to watch the game through homer-vision goggles. His shortcomings are well known and just like almost every other team in the league we build our game plans around them while every defense in the league tries to exploit them.
Schaub's arm isn't exactly the ultimate weapon. Usually that's not an issue if the guy is terribly accurate. Schaub isn't. He's a streaky passer who threads needles sometimes and then throws one in the dirt or into the receivers back or ass. Schaub (like almost all QB's) is less effective when he's been smacked around a few times.
That's all pretty standard fare though. The real deal-breaker for most of us is that Schaub doesn't seem to be that vocal, "rallying point" leader-type. He's Gary only in uniform and throwing the ball as opposed to standing on the sidelines. As much as the players like him (just as they like Gary) they don't seem to be much in the way of inspired by him. Not one single guy on that team looks like he thinks Matt Schaub is going to throw all of them on his back and carry them to a win.
He's a good QB. Does what he's told, follows instructions and tries to execute the game plan. He's got most of the necessary tools to do the job. A lot of teams would like to have Matt Schaub starting for them. Unfortunately none of those teams are better than we are. That's a simple fact. You look at teams that are considered contenders in the AFC and all of them would say "Thanks but we'll stand pat" if you tried to swap them yours for theirs. New England wouldn't part with Brady nor would San Diego part with Rivers. Indianapolis wouldn't part with Manning and Pittsburgh wouldn't swap you for Big Ben. Likewise Baltimore wouldn't trade you Flacco. I question whether Buffalo would part with Fitzpatrick right now either. Jason Campbell in Oakland finally seems to be getting his legs under him as well. Statistically he's not in this discussion but he's not costing them games and sometimes that's all you want out of your QB.
The Jets would laugh if you tried to swap them Schaub for Sanchez.
You may think he's better than some of those guys but do you really think they would want Matt Schaub over their guy?
So in the AFC if you rule out those teams that appear (right now) to be headed for the post-season that leaves.
Jacksonville - Gabbert
Cincinnati - Dalton
Miami - Henne
Cleveland - McCoy
Denver - Orton
Tennessee - Hasselbeck
Kansas City - Cassell
Indianapolis - Collins
Over the hill guys and wet-behind the ears newcomers make up most of that list. Good company to be in. That's the hill that Matt Schaub is the king of right now and some of those younger guys might be surpassing him in the coming years.
There's a reason Gary Kubiak is always looking under rocks and sifting through the latter rounds for an overlooked QB prospect. Matt Schaub is exactly what he appears to be and that is a guy who is as coached up as he's ever gonna get.
And I like Matt Schaub. Don't think for a second that I don't like him. We need to upgrade that position though.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
i dont know if i agree with this. You give us a number 1 defense and we wont always have to rely on Schaub to make a play. Sanchez is terrible only reason he has any success is cause they have always had a good Defense. Give Schaub a top 10 D and we wont be having this conversation.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
You know, in a more extreme example of the same thing if you give David Carr a league leading rusher, a bunch of Pro-Bowl linemen, and some HOF receivers as well as a top 10 defense then he'd be "leading" us to the playoffs right now.
At some point you have to look at the entire team objectively and ask the question "Is the talent we've stacked around him hiding the fact that our franchise QB really isn't a franchise QB?"
I'm not kidding when I say I like Matt Schaub but I'm not infatuated with his spooky-magic QB skills. He's good, not great. He's replaceable and we might just find that if we could upgrade the QB position we might get a few more wins. Maybe spend a little less time watching Matt on the sideline looking like "Oh ****, this is happening again isn't it".
Sanchez is a great example. Thanks for bringing him up. Today he has a great game (one of his best) and the Jets lose. Why? Their usually vaunted defense gives up 34 to the Raiders. This was a WEEKLY occurence for Matt in Houston. See how long you think Sanchez is top-notch, or how long the Jets fans love Sanchez, if the defense keeps playing like that.
I see. So this was a "TOP 10" defensive performance today? Maybe you need to look objectively. eh?
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I'm talking about things Matt Schaub does and has been doing for years. You're taking about today I guess.
But if you want to talk about today the defense was lights out in the first quarter and quite good in the first half. They didn't keep Matt & the Texans offense out of the endzone and settling for FG's today. That was the Saints defense and they aren't "TOP 10" either. They just somehow managed to come up with a bunch of red zone stops. Wonder how they did that?
Oh...Ok.....You are right. So I guess the Texans have had a "Top 10" defense for years?
Hervoyel
BUENO!
You need to learn how to read. When you can follow a conversation I'll continue talking to you.
Sorry I made your point look foolish.
Give Matt a Top 10 defense for the last few years and he would be paid a lot more money than has been paid.
When you can make a point worth following I will continue talking to you, OK?
80tothezone
Veteran
Dude go whine to yo mama.... matt pl a greatame so did the rest of the team .... ya just can't give a team like NO a crack, which we did. GB SCHAUB KUBES TATE AJ
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GP
Go Texans!
Why do you have blind allegiance to a single player like this?
Same college? High school? You're a relative of his?
I follow THE TEXANS. People who follow only a single player, and act like everything around the single player is faulty and holding back the single player is just bizarre.
Nobody can say anything critical of Matt Schaub without you crying.
I am a fan of Matt, and of the Texans.
When a player produces hugely despite the glaring weaknesses of the team (defense) but continues to persevere, I am very supportive. This is called "crying" on here, I guess, but it is with good reason. All I have seen from most Texans fans on this forum is crying without reason - - Follishly blaming the few players who have delivered time after time.
But you are right.....Judging texans fans based on the sample on here is probably foolish. It is difficult in Atlanta to find anyone who wants to talk about Houston.
I have children, and I know when their logic fails them they become silly. I expected that much from you.
80tothezone
Veteran
I don't really
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80tothezone
Veteran
ok I actually got off my phone and on my computer to post this..... WTF is wrong with all you people over reacting to 1 loss. I started reading the boards after the game and was reminded of the jackasses at my nephew's soccer game yelling at the kids acting like it's the world cup. If I take anything away from this game it is that we are a contender. We played 60 mins with one of the best teams in the NFL and had a shot at winning the game late. Our D showed a little crack and a player like brees will exploit that. The Texans played an excellent game today against a tough opponent in their house... They got some things to work on but ... it is week 3 so does everybody. Anyway back to the jackasses calling for schaub's head or mario or kube's head. Get a grip the Packers would have a tough time winning in NO...
GP
Go Texans!
I'd say it's foolish for you to try and defend Matt Schaub and convert what you deem as "haters in here" (paraphrased).
When you start saying things like (paraphrased, again) "I wish Matt Schaub would go to a team whose defense could help Matt Schaub enjoy the victories he so richly deserves because his **** doesn't stink" you're going to zoom right off into weird-o territory. To me, that was the telling post you made. You are a Schaub fan FIRST, just say so and own it.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
This thread is dumb.
GP
Go Texans!
You're dumb if you don't have a Matt Schaub tattoo on your foreskin.
Now you're going to go out and get one just because you don't want to be ostracized from this thread. Loser.
kwayshauntay
Waterboy
One of the first things that comes to mind when I hear the name "Matt Schaub":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we9_CdNPuJg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we9_CdNPuJg
panamamyers
Waterboy
These same people that think Schaub does great are also the ones that would go to their grave thinking that David Carr was a great qb too and he just needed help.
Schaub would not start for very many teams around the league. Quit listening to 610 and being brainwashed into thinking that Schaub is some great qb. He's an average qb that can be your qb until you get a Super Bowl caliber qb, nothing more and nothing less.
Watch the game again yesterday and pretend like you are watching the Redskins and Dallas. Forget that it is Matt Schaub or that it is the Texans. Watch the one qb come unraveled and choke down the stretch while the other wins the game.
Doesn't matter if the Texans scored 55 points. The Saints kept coming and scored more. Green Bay had to score a lot to beat the Saints too, but guess what they kept scoring. They have a qb. We don't.
Schaub would not start for very many teams around the league. Quit listening to 610 and being brainwashed into thinking that Schaub is some great qb. He's an average qb that can be your qb until you get a Super Bowl caliber qb, nothing more and nothing less.
Watch the game again yesterday and pretend like you are watching the Redskins and Dallas. Forget that it is Matt Schaub or that it is the Texans. Watch the one qb come unraveled and choke down the stretch while the other wins the game.
Doesn't matter if the Texans scored 55 points. The Saints kept coming and scored more. Green Bay had to score a lot to beat the Saints too, but guess what they kept scoring. They have a qb. We don't.
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