Jinkies!!
Then my guess would be Caserio is really old man Easterby.... and he would have gotten away with it too...
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How patient are y’all going to be with CJ Stroud this season?
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Then my guess would be Caserio is really old man Easterby.... and he would have gotten away with it too...
I doubt it. DeMeco Ryans.
Patience?? It's been 2 preseason games already. He's yet to lead the team into the end zone and has a 0/1 TD/INT ratio. Patience has left the building.
I think he would have had a TD had Schultz not stopped running to the end zone on 4th and goal from the 6. I hope Slowik gets this stuff fixed.
I guess the question we should be asking is not how much it cost but how well does it work.
Ahh... so you support a logical solution to the problem rather than just throwing money at it?
You sir and/or madam would never make it in politics.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Looks like someone is being very petty. Lol jive Turkey not liking my comment like I said something wrong.
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That's like saying if Tom Savage fails it won't be because of BO'b system, same system some 6th round pick won 6 SBs in.
Slowick was like Culley in SF. He was in the meeting room. Every now & again they asked his opinion, but only after they told him what it was.
(DisFreak'nClaimer. This post is for steelbtexan only. Do not respond, please, if you know how to post a link)
I'm not really concerned about Stroud. If anything we'll be making excuses for Green, scapegoating whoever our starting Center will be & talking about the step Mason lost & the inability of the receivers (including disappearing TE) to get open & Slowick's ability to scheme them open.
I'm just going to say I told you so, this team ain't ready for a rookie QB.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Doesn't really count unless it's TexasPenguin.
Penguin is my hero.
Takes a special kind of penguin to make it in these parts......
Even more impressive the quickness to have not wound up BBQed.
I'm going to be so piszed if it's not in Houston.
Don't givAdamn if they win 6 in the next 6 years if one isn't in Houston they can shove those "trophies" up their....
This is a developmental year and we hope for a winning record but, regardless, I think next season they'll contend for the division.
What are you saying I told you so to nothing has happened? Patting yourself on the back because you still agree with your previous opinion is objectively pretty funny though.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Good thread op (@Mangler.) Lots of solid back and forth here, fellas.
Imo this will be a season full of real defeats and moral victories. I'll be thrilled with anything more then 7 wins ,but that isn't exactly the question presented...
How patient will you be with CJ?
It's all context. I (all of us I expect) was happier with his performance in a blowout loss then I was in a week 1 win. So the devil IS in the details.
First and foremost, he needs to demonstrate a functional understanding of the offense. He hasn't looked lost to me (yet.) I don't expect a rookie qb to take over games. Just facilitate. Run the plays as designed. Get the ball to your skill position players as efficiently and error free as possible. If they don't perform, then they don't ,and I won't blame CJ for it.
Don't be detrimental to the team. That game 2 series 1 delay of game penalty was absolutely bs. Maybe that was the coaching staff, maybe that was cj not paying attention, maybe it was something else? Can't have it. It's a perfect example of the bs we have to avoid. Obviously his every turnover will be under a microscope. Minimize that. I'll also be looking for any spike in blown assignments, false starts, and alignment issues on offense.
You have to be a strong manager before you can be the hero. If you can't operate the offense, operate a spot by the Gatorade.
Game management by the coaching staff, player performance, and real time game scenarios will factor into my evaluation of CJ as well. Again, it's all context...
-I fully anticipate game management problems from a rookie coaching staff. Play calling? Go for it / dont? Challenges? Clock management? Etc. That's secular. CJ's win-loss record will be something doubters note often. All coaching staff's sh*t the bed and lose games at least 1-4 times per year. I'll try to judge CJ independent of that. Maybe you should to?
-Player performance: how much does his surrounding cast effect his play? Pierce is the only legitimate skill player of note. Read that last sentence again. Schultz is a fat receiver and they've had no noteworthy connection so far. The cowboys fans I know weren't upset to see him leave. (Another te unicorn dream.) Some wr's have shown promise. Now prove it.
And the G.D. Texans OL better live up to their check and draft selection. Week 1 they leaked worse then a Louisiana dike. They were better in the week 2 game, but every account I read watching the joint practices expressed a huge concern. I guess I'm scarred like a lot of you. Let's not David Carr him into permanent submission. Even if I think cj is evolving, I'll sit him before he sets new sack records.
-Real time game scenarios: if the defense and special teams are prone to giving up scores early in a game, it genuinely impacts the offense. Defenses know. When an offense becomes 1 dimensional, defenders pin their ears back and go. Game scenarios and deficits should effect your judgment when evaluating a rookie qb. Take a balanced approach.
To answer the op's question: I'll be as patient as his performance and the ol allows. If the guy is performing well but getting killed by dl's, I'll sit him. I'll save him for next year.
I want to see him evolve. If he's consistently finding new ways to phuc-k up, I'll probably be OK with it. If he's making the same mistakes over and over again, that's a ginormous red flag for me.
Long post. Sorry for that. If you got this far, thanks.
Imo this will be a season full of real defeats and moral victories. I'll be thrilled with anything more then 7 wins ,but that isn't exactly the question presented...
How patient will you be with CJ?
It's all context. I (all of us I expect) was happier with his performance in a blowout loss then I was in a week 1 win. So the devil IS in the details.
First and foremost, he needs to demonstrate a functional understanding of the offense. He hasn't looked lost to me (yet.) I don't expect a rookie qb to take over games. Just facilitate. Run the plays as designed. Get the ball to your skill position players as efficiently and error free as possible. If they don't perform, then they don't ,and I won't blame CJ for it.
Don't be detrimental to the team. That game 2 series 1 delay of game penalty was absolutely bs. Maybe that was the coaching staff, maybe that was cj not paying attention, maybe it was something else? Can't have it. It's a perfect example of the bs we have to avoid. Obviously his every turnover will be under a microscope. Minimize that. I'll also be looking for any spike in blown assignments, false starts, and alignment issues on offense.
You have to be a strong manager before you can be the hero. If you can't operate the offense, operate a spot by the Gatorade.
Game management by the coaching staff, player performance, and real time game scenarios will factor into my evaluation of CJ as well. Again, it's all context...
-I fully anticipate game management problems from a rookie coaching staff. Play calling? Go for it / dont? Challenges? Clock management? Etc. That's secular. CJ's win-loss record will be something doubters note often. All coaching staff's sh*t the bed and lose games at least 1-4 times per year. I'll try to judge CJ independent of that. Maybe you should to?
-Player performance: how much does his surrounding cast effect his play? Pierce is the only legitimate skill player of note. Read that last sentence again. Schultz is a fat receiver and they've had no noteworthy connection so far. The cowboys fans I know weren't upset to see him leave. (Another te unicorn dream.) Some wr's have shown promise. Now prove it.
And the G.D. Texans OL better live up to their check and draft selection. Week 1 they leaked worse then a Louisiana dike. They were better in the week 2 game, but every account I read watching the joint practices expressed a huge concern. I guess I'm scarred like a lot of you. Let's not David Carr him into permanent submission. Even if I think cj is evolving, I'll sit him before he sets new sack records.
-Real time game scenarios: if the defense and special teams are prone to giving up scores early in a game, it genuinely impacts the offense. Defenses know. When an offense becomes 1 dimensional, defenders pin their ears back and go. Game scenarios and deficits should effect your judgment when evaluating a rookie qb. Take a balanced approach.
To answer the op's question: I'll be as patient as his performance and the ol allows. If the guy is performing well but getting killed by dl's, I'll sit him. I'll save him for next year.
I want to see him evolve. If he's consistently finding new ways to phuc-k up, I'll probably be OK with it. If he's making the same mistakes over and over again, that's a ginormous red flag for me.
Long post. Sorry for that. If you got this far, thanks.
Shanny coaches are successful running this offense. The only doubt I have is how quickly Slowik getting a QB he didn't want in the first place is going to figure out a way to get the best out of Stroud. That's going to be the key to success. And no I don't have a link. Excuse me I thought I was talking to 76
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powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Shanny coaches are successful running this offense. The only doubt I have is how quickly Slowik getting a QB he didn't want in the first place is going to figure out a way to get the best out of Stroud. That's going to be the key to success. And no I don't have a link. Excuse me I thought I was talking to 76
Your gonna need links to back that up. Without them, this is fiction.
If you truly believe this I'm certainly not going to change your mind.
Not directed at you, some are already setting up the fall guy when Mr.S-2 fails. And yes I hope I'm wrong.
Earl Campbell?
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I've had Earl Cambel sausage links and they're good.
Separate issue.
You just said the oc didn't want CJ?
Back that.
I also thought in that post I said I didn't have a link. Just an opinion..
Do you think everybody from Janice down thought Stroud was their guy? I don't and we can agree to disagree.Sorry about what I did a few days ago. Honest mistake.
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powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
No worries on the personal bs.
You just said slow didn't want cj. That's significant. I need substance on that. How did you get that impression?
It was in that info CND posted that he had from his source
Sweech
Onside Kick Specialist
And they rip off Vrabel's face to find Jack Easterby under there!
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
And they rip off Vrabel's face to find Jack Easterby under there!
And then,
Light refracting from the light house was never infact a ghost. Scooby just couldn't handle his hallucinogenic mushrooms.
The blonde girl wanted the blonde guy but he didn't want her because he was a she / shim. And that was ok because dont ask don't tell. The Lil pup did lines of coke because he was schizophrenic and his doctor never could get the dose right. But they tried and that deserves a participation award.
The librarian girl with the bowl haircut was xzena the princess warrior 30 years before xzena. She literally rode in a van cross country putting herself in harms way waiting on a moment of weakness from the aforementioned blonde.
They were all high as hell and couldn’t remember a thing so they pretended it was a mystery.
And they were in a van.
Did I miss anything?
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Mangler
Toro de España
Whoa! I was just smoking some of this vape I got from Seattle a few days ago (smuggled back about 6 vape cartridges and around 8 joints) as I sipped a glass of this brand new EH Taylor (Single Barrel) the wife got me while listening to music out in the front porch and I just lost my train of thought…phook
Not too long after our delay of game penalty Miami's coaching staff saved their QB from making the same mistake by calling a time-out.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
If he looks like he's working on things, caring, not being a shithead, etc then the leash will be longer.
If he totally sucks, is disinterested, causing drama, etc the leash will shorter.
If he totally sucks, is disinterested, causing drama, etc the leash will shorter.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Yep. Delay of game is on more than one person. How many times have we seen coaches run down to get a ref’s attention to call timeout when the QB has not done so? Coaches could have called timeout just as easily as CJ there.
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
CJ's play isn't just.predicated on Slowic's system but the talent around him needs to be up to par. We shall see.
Texansballer74
The Marine
His link is third party guys on here.
What do you consider up to par?
BS
I've PM'ed Powda and let him know a name where I've heard this from and asked him not to share. He's just being contrarian or doesn't believe the guy who told me this. My guy isn't a member of this MB as far as I know. He's a long time season ticketholer.
One things for sure, nothing is going to change your mind.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Well post the darn link!
I don't do links and you know this.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Interesting that we think WE are the author of the book.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Perhaps you should compose a song.. a ballad to your hero?
You know like "this song's for you and you can tell everybody" or Denver's Annie's song. Karen Carpenter had some that tugged my heart.
Maybe hard to rhyme with Penguin...
He is/was a character.
Accuracy is the most important asset for a QB in this system. CJ is definitely an accurate QB. It's not a WCO.Shanny coaches are successful running this offense. The only doubt I have is how quickly Slowik getting a QB he didn't want in the first place is going to figure out a way to get the best out of Stroud. That's going to be the key to success. And no I don't have a link. Excuse me I thought I was talking to 76
badboy
Hall of Fame
It's not a west coast offense? Darn, I should go back and read the 3,000~ comments that it is.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Yeah, Shanahan has distanced himself from that WCO label.
Agreed,
The system works, I just got through watching Purdy. It's just a matter of how quickly Stroud Can learn the system.
What I'm trying to stop is it seems to me that some posters are trying to build in excuses like if Stroud doesn't succeed it will be Slowik's fault.
You have no more chance of stopping that than anyone has about changing your opinion about anything
Texansballer74
The Marine
The inexperienced OC could be one of the darn reasons why CJ and that entire offense doesn’t succeed. Lol
Texansballer74
The Marine
You’ve been throwing around two members name for the longest. Now you want us to believe you got that from where again?
I’m running with Coach Ryan’s. He says otherwise.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Curious as to why that's funny? Seems like many aspects can impact a player's productivity positively or negatively.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Because a certain member said that would be an excuse.
He's really in your head isn't he?