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steelbtexan said:
That doesn't represent the characteristics of a leader.

Would Brady/Manning/Staubach/Elway/Montana react this way?
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interesting take, I prefer the traditional leadership style too but modern leaders such as Cj connects with their teammates on a human level. When a leader openly expresses genuine emotion, it builds trust and shows that they care deeply about the people around them. It's not about being a robot lol it's about being a human being who inspires others through authentic connection. The fact that Brady, Manning or others may have reacted differently doesn't make their way the right way. It just makes it their way. Different eras, different leadership styles. Ofc I think Cj will grow as he ages and stop crying, he’s still a young man
 
thunderkyss said:
Some guys cry & keep getting their butts whooped. That's Cj.

Other guys cry, then go out & whup ass. That's not Cj.

Sht happens & people change. Some change for the better, get stronger. Others stop fighting. I'm waiting to see which way Cj goes. Imo, it's not looking good for Cj.
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Dang people already trying to get their pseudo CJ is a bust takes in earlier than I expected.

I for one think CJ is fantastic and he’s exactly what I want in a QB.

Bookmarked the comment for later though. I’ve seen some dudes cry and whoop some asses - like CJ did to finish off that practice.
 
Sweech said:
Dang people already trying to get their pseudo CJ is a bust takes in earlier than I expected.

I for one think CJ is fantastic and he’s exactly what I want in a QB.

Bookmarked the comment for later though. I’ve seen some dudes cry and whoop some asses - like CJ did to finish off that practice.
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Nobody is saying CJ is a bust

I'm saying he doesn't act like the greats in the present or past have in times of crisis.
 
heymak said:
In the grand scheme of things it doesn’t much matter what a bunch of old farts on a message board think of CJ. Do his teammates and opponents respect him? Not sure how anyone here can claim to know one way or another.
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Quoted for truth
 
thunderkyss said:
Just keeping it real. He's the leader of the team, the face of the franchise & the breaking down crying needing to be consoled on national TV thing just doesn't sit right with me.

Doesn't feel "swarm," feels more "good riddance we got rid of a top 5 LT because he's soft in the run game."
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Because you're saying this, their will be posters saying you're calling CJ a bust
 
thunderkyss said:
Just keeping it real. He's the leader of the team, the face of the franchise & the breaking down crying needing to be consoled on national TV thing just doesn't sit right with me.

Doesn't feel "swarm," feels more "good riddance we got rid of a top 5 LT because he's soft in the run game."
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I see the situation much like you do. Though I have found out from someone in attendance that there was something that could be considered somewhat of a mitigating circumstance.

Immediately following his injury, Jordan did not simply sob or cry..............he was wailing at the top of his lungs for almost 10 minutes.............something that could be unnerving to someone not used to dealing with severe trauma.

I think that a leader should be able to manage his own emotional responses in a time of "crisis." At the same time,
I want to be fair by recognizing that this particular situation could be quite traumatizing to anyone present.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I see the situation much like you do. Though I have found out from someone in attendance that there was something that could be considered somewhat of a mitigating circumstance.

Immediately following his injury, Jordan did not simply sob or cry..............he was wailing at the top of his lungs for almost 10 minutes.............something that could be unnerving to someone not used to dealing with severe trauma.

I think that a leader should be able to manage his own emotional responses in a time of "crisis." At the same time,
I want to be fair by recognizing that this particular situation could be quite traumatizing to anyone present.
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I feel for Jordan. Injuries have derailed the goals he obviously set for himself, and his emotions signify more than just the physical pain her was feeling in the moment. Being an empath, I too would have had trouble listening to him in that moment.
 
Boy are twught from an early age that we arent allowed to show emotion. Then we age, go into the military, or have some other challenges in life. We take that emotion, and stuff it down. Eventually instead of crying, it can come out in very unhealthy ways, or we have PTSD or drug issues because we cant deal with and process our emotions. We as men are not allowed. If we were taught thst its ok to get emotional when appropriate, we might have less spousal violence, less guys walking into achools with ak47’s and a whole host of other situations. Letting it out isnt a sign of weakness. Its a sign of humanity. Cry it out…then get the troops together and lead them. You can be both human and a strong leader at the same time.
 

Budding Texans Star Calls Out Defense Ahead of Preseason Week 2 Matchup vs. Panthers​

This Texans star wasn't pleased with what he saw from his unit at Thursday's joint practice.
ByJovan Alford|Aug 14, 2025

The Houston Texans are getting prepared for their second preseason game against the Carolina Panthers this weekend. However, before they hit the field at NRG Stadium on Saturday, the two teams held a joint practice on Thursday.
Joint practices are a great way for teams to get their starters a lot of work against another team without having to put them on the field in the preseason. The inclusion of joint practices allows teams like the Texans to evaluate other players on the 90-man roster during preseason games who are fighting for a job.

That said, the Texans aren’t taking this joint practice as a joke, as they got up against Carolina’s No.1s on both sides. In fact, Houston star pass rusher Will Anderson sent a message to his unit, which had some moments where they “were undisciplined.”

THE REST OF THE STORY
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Thanks for posting. Even before you posted this, as I've previously commented, I have been very skeptical regarding his long recovery. In my research, I have now discovered what is really going on besides a mild second high ankle [remember, his injury was reported early on this offseason as an "ankle/foot."]. Well, he has been seeing a well-known sports medicine podiatrist in Florida for extracorporeal shock wave therapy (ESWT) which in the foot is almost exclusively used for treating plantar fasciitis. This technique is not typically employed until 3-6 months of other conservative therapies that have not resolved the problem. I am now not surprised at all by his inability to return to the field in the initially proposed timeline.. When he can return and for how long is an open question, especially at his age and history of multiple notoriously chronic lower limb injuries.
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I did some more thinking about Mixon's situation. Once. you have plantar fasciitis, there is a commonly associated condition that develops......................Achilles tendinopathy. Since I know that the 2nd most common use of shock wave therapy of the foot is for Achilles tendinopathy, I dug a little deeper and found that Mixon's therapy was targeting both the Achilles tendon and the plantar fascia. This is not a very promising start for 2025.

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heymak said:
In the grand scheme of things it doesn’t much matter what a bunch of old farts on a message board think of CJ. Do his teammates and opponents respect him? Not sure how anyone here can claim to know one way or another.
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The thing I find funniest is the old farts complaining about it are the same ones who gossip about it more than my aunty at a tea party.
 
steelbtexan said:
Nobody is saying CJ is a bust

I'm saying he doesn't act like the greats in the present or past have in times of crisis.
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I don’t know it comes off a lot like half-speak, fence sitting, whatever you want to call it.

I have yet to actually hear someone have this criticism actually say it with their chest. If you don’t think CJ is good enough. Say it.

Like I said before some of y’all sound more gossipy than aunties at a tea party.

I have no respect for criticisms that come with a foot half out the door. If you want to criticize someone’s leadership feel free to do so. But also back that ish up. If a QB is a bad leader then he’s a bad QB? Right? I think we would all agree with that. So I don’t think calling him a bad leader or even worse trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth around the issue when we all know what you mean but not having the stones to actually bet against the man. Says more about the people making the comments than it ever could about CJ.
 
Take a few minutes and gather yourself…tears or no tears. Doesnt matter. Work your emotions out..refocus..and lead the team.

Thats good and should be the standard for a leader. Everyone is different. Some wear their heart on their sleeve. Some play Mr tough guy. Both styles are perfectly acceptable as long as its authentic to that person.

I personally have no issues with CJ, and dont think it will impact his career in any substantial way. Time to put this nonsense to rest . On to the next overblown issue.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It's important to keep in mind that the Panthers' defense was historically bad in 2024, ranking last in several key categories like total defense, rushing defense, and scoring defense. They allowed a record 534 points and were near the bottom in most defensive metrics. Reports that I have received is that not much change is expected this year.
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Good things to keep in mind when trying to gauge our effectiveness.

I will say that despite how bad the panthers were last year, we lost to them... while only scoring 13 points.

Based on this past game, to me, it "looks" like if our starters played their starters for a full game we'd beat them pretty easily now.Thats progress.

Handling the teams youre supposed to handle even when not at your best is what good teams do.

Hard to make definitive statements about what we've seen so far but just eye test wise I think the Texans offense looks much more competent with room to get a lot better and actually become a force.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Based on this past game, to me, it "looks" like if our starters played their starters for a full game we'd beat them pretty easily now.Thats progress.
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I'll go far to say it looks like we'd have scored more than 13 points in the first half. One of our biggest problems was not being able to score in the 2nd half.

This team lacked that game winning toughness that closes games & it's something that's plagued us for a long time.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Good things to keep in mind when trying to gauge our effectiveness.

I will say that despite how bad the panthers were last year, we lost to them... while only scoring 13 points.

Based on this past game, to me, it "looks" like if our starters played their starters for a full game we'd beat them pretty easily now.Thats progress.

Handling the teams youre supposed to handle even when not at your best is what good teams do.

Hard to make definitive statements about what we've seen so far but just eye test wise I think the Texans offense looks much more competent with room to get a lot better and actually become a force.
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The Texans' offensive line played what appeared to be a solid game, creating a strong pocket for C.J. Stroud and allowing him time to throw. It should be noted though that the Panthers defensive linemen struggled mightily to generate any pressure with the pass rush, something especially affected by the recent injury (collapsed lung) to rookie Nic Scourton, who was expected to be the significant contributor to the pass rush. Their DL also looked very anemic against the run.

PanthersWire is usually upbeat:

The defense, while not nearly as disappointing as the offense, looked a little bit like the dreadful 2024 squad—allowing Houston to piece together an 11-play, 60-yard touchdown drive in the first quarter.
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Not much different than their pathetic 30 point give away to the Browns last week. I would certainly feel better if we performed well against a good team.
 
Sweech said:
I don’t know it comes off a lot like half-speak, fence sitting, whatever you want to call it.

I have yet to actually hear someone have this criticism actually say it with their chest. If you don’t think CJ is good enough. Say it.

Like I said before some of y’all sound more gossipy than aunties at a tea party.

I have no respect for criticisms that come with a foot half out the door. If you want to criticize someone’s leadership feel free to do so. But also back that ish up. If a QB is a bad leader then he’s a bad QB? Right? I think we would all agree with that. So I don’t think calling him a bad leader or even worse trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth around the issue when we all know what you mean but not having the stones to actually bet against the man. Says more about the people making the comments than it ever could about CJ.
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Just to be clear, I think he's one of the most talented throwers of thee football that I've seen since Elway/Moon. With that said, I think he's a mamma's boy who needs to grow up. Hopefully this happens and signs are pointing up, an example of this is the fact that staying in Houston and working on a learning a new offense is a sign of growth. I'll always hope he succeeds because he's the QB of the team I root for, but with this said I wish he had more trait's that the greats have. Hopefully he can develop those traits as he matures as a young man.

I hope I've made myself clear on this because I'm not a wishy washy kind of person. I try to give my open/honest thoughts on not only CJ but the rest of the team too. A good example of this is the thoughts I've given on the Jimmy Ward situation, or Blake Fisher looking busty but still hoping Fisher develops into the player they thought he was going to be when they drafted him.
 
steelbtexan said:
Just to be clear, I think he's one of the most talented throwers of thee football that I've seen since Elway/Moon. With that said, I think he's a mamma's boy who needs to grow up. Hopefully this happens and signs are pointing up, an example of this is the fact that staying in Houston and working on a learning a new offense is a sign of growth. I'll always hope he succeeds because he's the QB of the team I root for, but with this said I wish he had more trait's that the greats have. Hopefully he can develop those traits as he matures as a young man.

I hope I've made myself clear on this because I'm not a wishy washy kind of person. I try to give my open/honest thoughts on not only CJ but the rest of the team too. A good example of this is the thoughts I've given on the Jimmy Ward situation, or Blake Fisher looking busty but still hoping Fisher develops into the player they thought he was going to be when they drafted him.
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I know you’re not a wushu washy person and it’s why I usually have respect for your posts even if I only agree with half of them. I respect people who right or wrong stick to their guns OR have the gumption to hold up their hands and admit they were wrong.

I just never have time for people who try to be crafty and cast doubts so they can have their “I told you so” moment later on but if wrong can also say, “well that’s not what I meant”.

I stayed quiet about the CJ thing because overall I thought it was quite silly and I could also empathize with the emotion in both of the incidents as they happened. What I didn’t respect was the new manner in which people started to talk about it because I knew for a fact they didn’t actually have the stones to stand up and say CJ isn’t good enough yet they just wanted to hint at it. I’ve got not time for that.

Always appreciate you though Steel.
 
Dejaview said:
Metchie didn’t stand out against his Texans WR group. Tradeable. No gap loss.
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That’s too bad, After watching him put Sting on skates the other day, I was hoping for him to really finally stand out. If our receiver room gets the typical injury bug later down the line….
 
Marcus said:
That’s too bad, After watching him put Sting on skates the other day, I was hoping for him to really finally stand out. If our receiver room gets the typical injury bug later down the line….
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He's done well in camp, but 2024 was his year to make his case. No regrets for this trade.

No regrets drafting him either. The main takeaway is the Houston Texans organization financially supported saving his life. So that's a win bigger than football.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
You asked Copilot...........but didn't ask me??? :)

No article ever mentioned which leg Brevin suffered his ACL in. But doing some "detective work" looking thru any pictures or videos I could find..................I came across this picture of him at the Texans last OTA.

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Blowing up the left knee................those are arthrocopic ACL scars:

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Brisco_County said:
You're right, I shouldn't lose faith so quickly in human intelligence over our machine overlords.

Since his injury today was also his left knee, and reinjury of a surgically repaired ACL is rare, are the odds higher it's his MCL? If so, that's like a four month recovery right?

Jordan said his ACL last year wasn't that painful, but he was hurting today. I remember when Welker blew his MCL against the Texans. He was in a lot of pain.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
The accepted average risk of an ipsilateral ACL rupture within a year is ~15% seen in very recent study (some studies have the risk even greater, some lower).

Landing after jumping for a high ball can put wide receivers at risk of an MCL tear, particularly if the landing is awkward or involves external forces stressing the knee inwards. I couldn't tell you if an MCL would be a higher risk since there is nothing really to compare it with because there are so many factors that can affect that isolated injury. It is almost as likely to see both injuries occur on the same play.

ACL s don't have many nerve endings to cause pain from their rupture alone...............neighboring tissues being traumatized usually cause the classic intense pain by the knee's abnormal movement follow the loss of knee stability. When an ACL is only partially torn, it commonly causes little or no pain at the time, which fits the fact that during the game Jordan was not aware that he suffered an ACL injury...........until the next day. Adrenaline in these cases commonly can temporarily numb the pain receptors, making it possible to function and even continue activity without feeling the full extent of the injury. As adrenaline levels subside, typically within a few hours or a day, the pain signals can then become apparent and noticeable.
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It is now confirmed by the team that Jordan did in fact suffer a torn ACL in practice last week.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It is now confirmed by the team that Jordan did in fact suffer a torn ACL in practice last week.
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That makes it more frustrating for him. It's one thing if another ligament tears, but re-tearing the same one will instantly cross his mind as an injury that could've been avoided.

I just wish I loved any career as much as Brevin Jordan loves football.
 
Cam Robinson was back at practice...........but very lightly as he took some reps with the 2nd team.

The Texans’ first-team line was comprised Monday of rookie left tackle Aireontae Ersery, a second-round draft pick and former Big Ten Conference Offensive Lineman of the Year, left guard Laken Tomlinson, a former Pro Bowl selection, former New England Patriots center Jake Andrews, former Vikings second-round right guard Ed Ingram and right tackle Tytus Howard.

If Robinson is ready for the season-opener, the Texans could shuffle the line back to an original group of him at left tackle, Tomlinson at guard, Andrews at center, Howard at right guard and Ersery at right tackle. link
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I’ll just say it. This team and TC seem really different from the past. The “IT” factor seems palpable. Plays seem better designed. Execution of those plays is sharper. They have a different swagger. It’s good to see good drafts producing good players that all seem to fit one mold. DMR has instilled a great mindset. Could this be, could this be….
 
DocBar said:
Who would you have at RT? Fisher certainly isn't the answer.
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Longer term, it's too soon to say if Fischer will be some future answer or not. It's not trending in the right direction in the big picture though.

I assume you mean this year. Looks to me like the most likely scenario is Howard. Second most likely would be Ersery. Outside chance it could be Robinson, with Howard at RG and Ersery at LT...but to me that's very unlikely.

It's a near lock to be one of those two. Fischer would be part of depth in case of injuries. He did play a lot better this last weekend, but competition level isn't the best. I want him to get in some decent work against the Lions before I'm willing to say he's turned a corner.
 
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